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#1238075 - 12/06/10 08:50 AM Re: Penn Yan Payroll Needs to be Trimmed [Re: Mean Gene]
McLovin'
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Registered: 05/02/09
Posts: 1247
Loc: In the land of freedom
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
They don't "scare" me Mclovin. I don't believe everything I hear and only about half of what I see!! You are right, they are certainly more over the top than the National news. The national news organizations are more subtle in their delivery of the pro-left wing message. It is becoming more an more clear to me that power corrupts people. I'm glad the Mayor didn't give me too much power or I would have been corrupt Too!! \:\)


Maybe they don't scare you, but think of the people who still think that our President isn't a citizen. A representative in Texas presented a bill that any Presidential candidate on a Texas ballot needs to provide an original birth certificate to prove he/she is an American citizen. I have a friend who likes both Fox and MSNBC. He has Fox on 24 hrs during the week, but watches MSNBC on the week end for their LOCK-UP programs. He has been disabled since the 80's--the government pays for his medical expenses, and is fully against our new Health Program--because of Fox is telling him so. "The Company has to make a profit." Now, tell me how 'Fair and Balance' the NEWS organization is.


Edited by McLovin' (12/06/10 10:25 AM)
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#1238751 - 12/09/10 11:24 AM Re: Penn Yan Payroll Needs to be Trimmed [Re: Alice and Toto]
Alice and Toto
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Registered: 03/25/10
Posts: 634
Loc: not in Kansas
Another reason for not giving our government workers large pay raises while the private sector workers, who comprise the vast majority of tax payers, are not getting large raises.

State and local government employees in New York can retire with generous, guaranteed pensions -- a benefit most private-sector workers can only dream of.

On the heels of our bombshell report, "New York's Exploding Pension Costs," we have posted an online calculator that will allow you to estimate the pension you'd collect after a career as a general employee of New York State or local government -- and how much you'd need to save on your own to replicate that pension income. The calculator is featured at http://www.NYPensionBomb.org, a new Empire Center web page dedicated to the pension issue.


Edited by Alice and Toto (12/09/10 11:26 AM)

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#1238760 - 12/09/10 12:19 PM Re: Penn Yan Payroll Needs to be Trimmed [Re: Alice and Toto]
Farquar
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Registered: 10/21/10
Posts: 87
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: Alice and Toto
Another reason for not giving our government workers large pay raises while the private sector workers, who comprise the vast majority of tax payers, are not getting large raises.

State and local government employees in New York can retire with generous, guaranteed pensions -- a benefit most private-sector workers can only dream of.

On the heels of our bombshell report, "New York's Exploding Pension Costs," we have posted an online calculator that will allow you to estimate the pension you'd collect after a career as a general employee of New York State or local government -- and how much you'd need to save on your own to replicate that pension income. The calculator is featured at http://www.NYPensionBomb.org, a new Empire Center web page dedicated to the pension issue.
Yes one would be a fool today not to jump on the gravy train of being a employee of local,state or fed government. Just stand back and look at wage scales,guaranteed retirements,medical plans,and vacation/sick days. Very much of a
let them eat cake attitude towards the poor saps paying the bill.

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#1238773 - 12/09/10 01:18 PM Re: Penn Yan Payroll Needs to be Trimmed [Re: Farquar]
Chosenspot
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Registered: 01/05/10
Posts: 137
Loc: Penn Yan, New York
Originally Posted By: Farquar
Originally Posted By: Alice and Toto
Another reason for not giving our government workers large pay raises while the private sector workers, who comprise the vast majority of tax payers, are not getting large raises.

State and local government employees in New York can retire with generous, guaranteed pensions -- a benefit most private-sector workers can only dream of.

On the heels of our bombshell report, "New York's Exploding Pension Costs," we have posted an online calculator that will allow you to estimate the pension you'd collect after a career as a general employee of New York State or local government -- and how much you'd need to save on your own to replicate that pension income. The calculator is featured at http://www.NYPensionBomb.org, a new Empire Center web page dedicated to the pension issue.
Yes one would be a fool today not to jump on the gravy train of being a employee of local,state or fed government. Just stand back and look at wage scales,guaranteed retirements,medical plans,and vacation/sick days. Very much of a
let them eat cake attitude towards the poor saps paying the bill.

Largest employer is US is US Government
Largest employer is NY is NY Government
Largest employer is YC is YC Government plus school districts
Largest employer is PY is PY Government plus municipal

Manufacturing jobs in America will not be coming back unless Americans are willing to work for a lot less money.
It will be interesting to see how unemployment will go down when government spending is cut.
We are in a real mess.

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#1238777 - 12/09/10 01:56 PM Re: Penn Yan Payroll Needs to be Trimmed [Re: Chosenspot]
Farquar
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Registered: 10/21/10
Posts: 87
Loc: NY
Gov. spending is killing the US dollar. One of the reasons gas is going up!
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#1239181 - 12/11/10 09:05 AM Re: Penn Yan Payroll Needs to be Trimmed [Re: Farquar]
Alice and Toto
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Registered: 03/25/10
Posts: 634
Loc: not in Kansas
Have heard through the grapevine that the CSEA intends to ask for a 5% raise. They believe that if Clerk Treasurer got it, so should they.

I wouldn't be surprised if the village board allows it to happen.

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#1239206 - 12/11/10 12:17 PM Re: Penn Yan Payroll Needs to be Trimmed [Re: Alice and Toto]
Mean Gene
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Registered: 08/10/09
Posts: 1904
Loc: Yates County
Originally Posted By: Alice and Toto
Have heard through the grapevine that the CSEA intends to ask for a 5% raise. They believe that if Clerk Treasurer got it, so should they.

I wouldn't be surprised if the village board allows it to happen.



You know that is not going to happen. Shawan probably received her 5% because she was promised that and maybe more. She is the keeper of the "secret" as to who told her to do what and who knew about what she did or didn't do.
Its not a big mystery. Basic interview 101 Who,what,where,when,why & how.
As I said in the past, she did what she was told to do. If someone in authority asked her the questions would be answered.
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#1239217 - 12/11/10 01:34 PM Re: Penn Yan Payroll Needs to be Trimmed [Re: Mean Gene]
beeba24
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Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 961
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Originally Posted By: Alice and Toto
Have heard through the grapevine that the CSEA intends to ask for a 5% raise. They believe that if Clerk Treasurer got it, so should they.

I wouldn't be surprised if the village board allows it to happen.



You know that is not going to happen. Shawan probably received her 5% because she was promised that and maybe more. She is the keeper of the "secret" as to who told her to do what and who knew about what she did or didn't do.
Its not a big mystery. Basic interview 101 Who,what,where,when,why & how.
As I said in the past, she did what she was told to do. If someone in authority asked her the questions would be answered.
The XMayor was gone last May when she stated on the record she had seen the AUDIT last month for the FIRST TIME ,SHAWA is a TEAM PLAYER and SHE GOT CAUGHT.


Edited by beeba24 (12/11/10 02:06 PM)

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#1239231 - 12/11/10 03:35 PM Re: Penn Yan Payroll Needs to be Trimmed [Re: Mean Gene]
C.I.Brown
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Registered: 02/08/08
Posts: 440
Loc: PY,NY
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Originally Posted By: Alice and Toto
Have heard through the grapevine that the CSEA intends to ask for a 5% raise. They believe that if Clerk Treasurer got it, so should they.

I wouldn't be surprised if the village board allows it to happen.



You know that is not going to happen. Shawan probably received her 5% because she was promised that and maybe more. She is the keeper of the "secret" as to who told her to do what and who knew about what she did or didn't do.
Its not a big mystery. Basic interview 101 Who,what,where,when,why & how.
As I said in the past, she did what she was told to do. If someone in authority asked her the questions would be answered.


Gene, it's a load of crap if you think that anyone is going to believe that Shawna Shawna Prima Donna did what she was told to do to save her job. She knows the difference between right and wrong. IMHO, she's got something to hang over on the Board. Why on earth would she get or deserve a higher raise than any other village employee? She can't even keep the books, the job that she is suppose to do according to the oath that she was sworn in to do, nor can she file required annual reports on time.


Edited by C.I.Brown (12/11/10 03:36 PM)

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#1239247 - 12/11/10 05:56 PM Re: Penn Yan Payroll Needs to be Trimmed [Re: C.I.Brown]
Mean Gene
Senior Member


Registered: 08/10/09
Posts: 1904
Loc: Yates County
Well, they brought her on with no previous experience in doing Municipal accounting. It was going to take her time to get up to speed.
She does not have civil serivce protection. Is re-appointed by the Mayor/Board every couple of years. So she basically serves at their pleasure.
So what would you do C.I. if you were in that position and the Mayor and ? tell you how to do something? Are you going to do what your boss tells you or go look up a law that says you should not do what they say?
I experienced it personally on a FOIL request that she received. She asked me if I had objections to her releasing it. I looked up the law and even asked Robert Freeman his opinion. He cited me the law stating it should not be released. I gave her all the info and assumed she did not release it. I found out a couple months later that she released it anyways. (The Village Attorney and or Mayor told her to do it) I also have overheard her talking to the Village Attorney on another unrelated FOIL request. She asked him if she should release it.
She was/is the FOIL officer in title only. The Village Attorney apparently was making decisions in that regard.
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#1239254 - 12/11/10 07:40 PM Re: Penn Yan Payroll Needs to be Trimmed [Re: Mean Gene]
beeba24
Senior Member


Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 961
Loc: NY
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Well, they brought her on with no previous experience in doing Municipal accounting. It was going to take her time to get up to speed.
She does not have civil serivce protection. Is re-appointed by the Mayor/Board every couple of years. So she basically serves at their pleasure.
So what would you do C.I. if you were in that position and the Mayor and ? tell you how to do something? Are you going to do what your boss tells you or go look up a law that says you should not do what they say?
I experienced it personally on a FOIL request that she received. She asked me if I had objections to her releasing it. I looked up the law and even asked Robert Freeman his opinion. He cited me the law stating it should not be released. I gave her all the info and assumed she did not release it. I found out a couple months later that she released it anyways. (The Village Attorney and or Mayor told her to do it) I also have overheard her talking to the Village Attorney on another unrelated FOIL request. She asked him if she should release it.
She was/is the FOIL officer in title only. The Village Attorney apparently was making decisions in that regard.
Village Clerk is a public officer takes a oath has duties and laws they must follow,she needs a lawyer not Brockman because he needs one himself.

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#1239258 - 12/11/10 08:04 PM Re: Penn Yan Payroll Needs to be Trimmed [Re: Mean Gene]
McLovin'
Senior Member


Registered: 05/02/09
Posts: 1247
Loc: In the land of freedom
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Well, they brought her on with no previous experience in doing Municipal accounting. It was going to take her time to get up to speed.
She does not have civil serivce protection. Is re-appointed by the Mayor/Board every couple of years. So she basically serves at their pleasure.
So what would you do C.I. if you were in that position and the Mayor and ? tell you how to do something? Are you going to do what your boss tells you or go look up a law that says you should not do what they say?
I experienced it personally on a FOIL request that she received. She asked me if I had objections to her releasing it. I looked up the law and even asked Robert Freeman his opinion. He cited me the law stating it should not be released. I gave her all the info and assumed she did not release it. I found out a couple months later that she released it anyways. (The Village Attorney and or Mayor told her to do it) I also have overheard her talking to the Village Attorney on another unrelated FOIL request. She asked him if she should release it.
She was/is the FOIL officer in title only. The Village Attorney apparently was making decisions in that regard.


Gene, your response is very telling--1) She was hired "with no previous experience in doing Municipal accounting" 2) She was/is the FOIL officer in title only.

Isn't that exactly what every Village needs to be the Clerk/Treasurer--someone with no experience nor regards to the laws. The Marchionda legacy lives on.
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#1239260 - 12/11/10 08:07 PM Re: Penn Yan Payroll Needs to be Trimmed [Re: McLovin']
Mean Gene
Senior Member


Registered: 08/10/09
Posts: 1904
Loc: Yates County
Originally Posted By: McLovin'
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Well, they brought her on with no previous experience in doing Municipal accounting. It was going to take her time to get up to speed.
She does not have civil serivce protection. Is re-appointed by the Mayor/Board every couple of years. So she basically serves at their pleasure.
So what would you do C.I. if you were in that position and the Mayor and ? tell you how to do something? Are you going to do what your boss tells you or go look up a law that says you should not do what they say?
I experienced it personally on a FOIL request that she received. She asked me if I had objections to her releasing it. I looked up the law and even asked Robert Freeman his opinion. He cited me the law stating it should not be released. I gave her all the info and assumed she did not release it. I found out a couple months later that she released it anyways. (The Village Attorney and or Mayor told her to do it) I also have overheard her talking to the Village Attorney on another unrelated FOIL request. She asked him if she should release it.
She was/is the FOIL officer in title only. The Village Attorney apparently was making decisions in that regard.


Gene, your response is very telling--1) She was hired "with no previous experience in doing Municipal accounting" 2) She was/is the FOIL officer in title only.

Isn't that exactly what every Village needs to be the Clerk/Treasurer--someone with no experience nor regards to the laws. The Marchionda legacy lives on.



this whole situation is pathetic. The old saying that the "cover up" is often worse than the deed may apply here!
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#1239408 - 12/12/10 12:43 PM Re: Penn Yan Payroll Needs to be Trimmed [Re: Mean Gene]
Ringold
Member


Registered: 05/12/09
Posts: 309
Loc: Here and Now
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Originally Posted By: McLovin'
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Well, they brought her on with no previous experience in doing Municipal accounting. It was going to take her time to get up to speed.
She does not have civil serivce protection. Is re-appointed by the Mayor/Board every couple of years. So she basically serves at their pleasure.
So what would you do C.I. if you were in that position and the Mayor and ? tell you how to do something? Are you going to do what your boss tells you or go look up a law that says you should not do what they say?
I experienced it personally on a FOIL request that she received. She asked me if I had objections to her releasing it. I looked up the law and even asked Robert Freeman his opinion. He cited me the law stating it should not be released. I gave her all the info and assumed she did not release it. I found out a couple months later that she released it anyways. (The Village Attorney and or Mayor told her to do it) I also have overheard her talking to the Village Attorney on another unrelated FOIL request. She asked him if she should release it.
She was/is the FOIL officer in title only. The Village Attorney apparently was making decisions in that regard.


Gene, your response is very telling--1) She was hired "with no previous experience in doing Municipal accounting" 2) She was/is the FOIL officer in title only.

Isn't that exactly what every Village needs to be the Clerk/Treasurer--someone with no experience nor regards to the laws. The Marchionda legacy lives on.



this whole situation is pathetic. The old saying that the "cover up" is often worse than the deed may apply here!

Yup, and the board continues rubbing the village taxpayers noses in it because they are so arrogant(all but 2). Maybe even the newbie needs to get voted out this coming March. She just does whatever bumbling bob, mad mike, woeful willie and bad news bart do.

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#1239578 - 12/13/10 08:13 AM Re: Penn Yan Payroll Needs to be Trimmed [Re: Ringold]
boogieman1
Member


Registered: 05/18/10
Posts: 390
Loc: Yates County
Originally Posted By: Ringold
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Originally Posted By: McLovin'
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Well, they brought her on with no previous experience in doing Municipal accounting. It was going to take her time to get up to speed.
She does not have civil serivce protection. Is re-appointed by the Mayor/Board every couple of years. So she basically serves at their pleasure.
So what would you do C.I. if you were in that position and the Mayor and ? tell you how to do something? Are you going to do what your boss tells you or go look up a law that says you should not do what they say?
I experienced it personally on a FOIL request that she received. She asked me if I had objections to her releasing it. I looked up the law and even asked Robert Freeman his opinion. He cited me the law stating it should not be released. I gave her all the info and assumed she did not release it. I found out a couple months later that she released it anyways. (The Village Attorney and or Mayor told her to do it) I also have overheard her talking to the Village Attorney on another unrelated FOIL request. She asked him if she should release it.
She was/is the FOIL officer in title only. The Village Attorney apparently was making decisions in that regard.


Gene, your response is very telling--1) She was hired "with no previous experience in doing Municipal accounting" 2) She was/is the FOIL officer in title only.

Isn't that exactly what every Village needs to be the Clerk/Treasurer--someone with no experience nor regards to the laws. The Marchionda legacy lives on.



this whole situation is pathetic. The old saying that the "cover up" is often worse than the deed may apply here!

Yup, and the board continues rubbing the village taxpayers noses in it because they are so arrogant(all but 2). Maybe even the newbie needs to get voted out this coming March. She just does whatever bumbling bob, mad mike, woeful willie and bad news bart do.
Until people vote them out nothing will ever change. The two on the board that should speak up publically in meetings continue to keep their mouths shut so they also are to blame.

They (the two) should do their own research and bring it to the board and public in open board meetings. That's what they got elected to do.

Don't tell me that there's no-where to cut in that bloated budget. Just because the rest of the board won't go along is NO EXCUSE not to bring it forward to say nothing of them not going public with the hidden audit by Shawna, BRian Winslow, the village attorney etc. It's simply amazing that a private citizen has to do their jobs (research)! Man-up gentlemen.


Edited by boogieman1 (12/13/10 08:15 AM)

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#1239600 - 12/13/10 10:07 AM Re: Penn Yan Payroll Needs to be Trimmed [Re: boogieman1]
Dundee guy
Member


Registered: 03/14/08
Posts: 58
Loc: Dundee
Hey folks,

Here's an thought for you. Instead of sitting here complaining about how elected officials do their job - RUN FOR OFFICE. If you complain about how a municipality is run and you're not a resident it's NONE of you business. It makes you a carpetbagger as far as I'm concerned.

p.s. I wanted to get involved in my village government so I ran for and was elected to two terms. STEP UP or SHUT UP.

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#1239636 - 12/13/10 01:38 PM Re: Penn Yan Payroll Needs to be Trimmed [Re: Dundee guy]
C.I.Brown
Member


Registered: 02/08/08
Posts: 440
Loc: PY,NY
It's so easy for someone who has won an election to say "Step up or Shut Up". You see, there is this "electability" factor that comes into play. Take someone like Mr. Hawley who in my opinion has all the makings of being a good village board member. He can acoomplish things that many can't such as getting the State Comptroller's office to visit. He cares about the excessive spending that board members do not seem to care about. He has run for office but has yet to be elected. Maybe he is a little rough around the edges, but that's what he has to do to get noticed. And don't tell me to go to a board meeting and state my opinions. Members of this village board has blinders on and will not acknowledge that there are problems. Not in their perfect village. They only want to hear compliments and what's going on at the Lakeside country club.
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#1239746 - 12/14/10 12:34 AM Re: Penn Yan Payroll Needs to be Trimmed [Re: Dundee guy]
BrendaBabe
Member


Registered: 03/16/10
Posts: 61
Loc: NY, Yates
I would vote for Hawley.
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#1239825 - 12/14/10 09:10 AM Re: Penn Yan Payroll Needs to be Trimmed [Re: BrendaBabe]
w.king94
Member


Registered: 11/25/08
Posts: 196
Loc: Penn Yan
Bob Hawley would get my vote.He wouldn't screw with peoples tax dollars he knows how to get things done and doesn't listen to crap.Most on that village board are (hey see me on the village board im special).looking out for the good of the people NOT - only looking out for their popularity for themselves.typical politician- you get behind me and ill get behind you and shove it right up your #%*.The only thing the village board listens to is the echos in their heads.
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#1239895 - 12/14/10 04:40 PM Re: Penn Yan Payroll Needs to be Trimmed [Re: w.king94]
Alice and Toto
Senior Member


Registered: 03/25/10
Posts: 634
Loc: not in Kansas
Originally Posted By: w.king94
Bob Hawley would get my vote.He wouldn't screw with peoples tax dollars he knows how to get things done and doesn't listen to crap.Most on that village board are (hey see me on the village board im special).looking out for the good of the people NOT - only looking out for their popularity for themselves.typical politician- you get behind me and ill get behind you and shove it right up your #%*.The only thing the village board listens to is the echos in their heads.
Mr. Hawley or anyone else who wants to run for the village board should contact the Yates County Board of Elections and ask when they can pick up a petition, get at least 100 village voters to sign the petition and return it to the Board of elections on or before the due date and they will be placed on the ballot for the special village election in March.

As for whether or not you can be elected, you never know until you try. So, if you believe you are better than the incumbent, why not try.

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