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#1202097 - 07/23/10 02:24 PM Re: EPA takes fresh look at ’fracking [Re: Red22]
kyle585
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Originally Posted By: Red22
Did anyone see the article in paper about the couple from Dresden (I think) made the satirical documentary on hydrofracking. They plan on showing it at a bunch of community centers in the surrounding areas.
By AMANDA FOLTS
afolts@fltimes.com

GENEVA — When a Steuben County couple heard the effects from natural gas drilling could possibly be felt here, they decided to spread the word through a documentary. Jeff and Jodi Andrysick of Pulteney said they were shocked when they learned that Chesapeake Energy planned to put a disposal well for the flowback waters from drilling operations in Pennsylvania in their town — just half a mile from Keuka Lake.

They helped organize a meeting attended by 500 people in February opposing the well, and the gas company rescinded the application. But Jodi said they often saw a lot of the same faces at meetings they attended about hydraulic fracturing — or hydrofracking — and they wanted to get the word out to others about natural gas drilling.

With the help of Jeff ’s sister, who has a background in film, they created “All Fracked Up.” Billed as “a satirical documentary,” Jodi said it has components that are both serious and light. For footage, the Andrysicks traveled to Pennsylvania towns where natural gas drilling already is under way, including Dimock and Penfield, two communities affected by gas drilling.

Jeff said Penfield was the site of a gas well blowout. The Andrysicks put about 9,000 miles on their vehicle during the course of filming and had to change the oil three times in 2/1⁄2 months. The documentary includes interviews with
people affected by gas drilling, a Cornell University professor who Jodi said helped adapt the drilling process and skits,
all of which they shot themselves.

While making the film, Jeff said he was blown away by how gas companies “overwhelm” the local population when they go into little towns.

He said they have so many trucks and people coming from out of state they quickly take control and become the “big dog on the block.” He also noted that people who had ruined water wells
were afraid to give interviews for the documentary.

They were either in lawsuits or currently talking to the gas companies and were afraid to be singled out as troublemakers. Jodi said she was most surprised at how quickly the feel of a town can change. “It just happens so quick,” she said.

The couple, which finished filming earlier this month, owns a farm and plans to open a flea market. But they put those plans on hold and used $9,000 that would have gone toward building supplies to make the documentary. They plan to show it several times this month across the region, beginning Wednesday. They won’t charge admission though they will pass a donation bucket.

For Jodi, the message she wants to send with the film is how dangerous drilling can be, that they don’t want it here, and they want people to join together and tell politicians they don’t want it here either.

“Gas and wine don’t mix. And gas and water don’t mix. And gas isn’t a fair tradeoff for water, wine and tourism, Jeff said.
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#1202415 - 07/24/10 10:53 PM Re: EPA takes fresh look at ’fracking [Re: kyle585]
gasguy
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http://www.stargazette.com/article/20100724/BUSINESS/7240325/1113/

Here's another side of the story that the tree huggers won't publish.


Edited by gasguy (07/24/10 10:55 PM)

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#1202418 - 07/24/10 11:15 PM Re: EPA takes fresh look at ’fracking [Re: gasguy]
De La Mongione
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Originally Posted By: gasguy
http://www.stargazette.com/article/20100724/BUSINESS/7240325/1113/

Here's another side of the story that the tree huggers won't publish.




Again, money isn't everything. And you say "tree hugger" likes it's a bad thing. What is wrong with caring about the one planet we have?

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#1202427 - 07/24/10 11:52 PM Re: EPA takes fresh look at ’fracking [Re: De La Mongione]
Harleybobb
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Originally Posted By: De La Mongione
You fail to realise that bottled water, that food from the grocery store, the electricity from the wall, it all comes from somewhere and we need to protect the plant to ensure we can continue to get these resources.
You and your other tree hugging user names should recycle your urine for your drinking water.
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#1202571 - 07/25/10 03:41 PM Re: EPA takes fresh look at ’fracking [Re: Harleybobb]
De La Mongione
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Hell yea boy! Harley Bob! Better yet why don't I recylce my urine and put it in cans so you and your other good ol' boy buddies can drink it as the watered down "beer" you seem to love so much. And then you can go right to Wally-World AKA Place You Worship And Would Live In If Possible and getcha some them NASCAR t-shirts 90% off.

Pathetic.

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#1202573 - 07/25/10 03:50 PM Re: EPA takes fresh look at ’fracking [Re: De La Mongione]
Harleybobb
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Originally Posted By: De La Mongione
Hell yea boy! Harley Bob! Better yet why don't I recylce my urine and put it in cans so you and your other good ol' boy buddies can drink it as the watered down "beer" you seem to love so much. And then you can go right to Wally-World AKA Place You Worship And Would Live In If Possible and getcha some them NASCAR t-shirts 90% off.

Pathetic.

Looks like I hit a tree hungers nerve. ahahahaah...you do what you gotta do funny guy.
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#1202596 - 07/25/10 06:47 PM Re: EPA takes fresh look at ’fracking [Re: Harleybobb]
De La Mongione
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Rather be a tree hugger than a dump-worshipper.
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#1202598 - 07/25/10 07:05 PM Re: EPA takes fresh look at ’fracking [Re: De La Mongione]
past tense
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Loc: Houston, TX
There is nothing wrong with caring about the earth, but there is nothing wrong with wanting NYS to take advantage of natural resource development either. Jobs don't just magically appear, and like it or not, "tourism" isn't the answer. It would be great if it were, but it's not.

NYS must take this opportunity to employ tens - if not hundreds - of thousands of people in high-paying jobs. It must take this opportunity to let these companies in, regulate it to high heaven, and tax it to death. Otherwise NYS is going to continue dying a slow, agonizing death.

Never mind that this would drop home-heating/utility prices at the same time.

No one seems to mind their warm house, or being able to cook food. No one seems to care about the people who live wherever THAT natural gas is coming from.

You're all a bunch of NIMBYs. You gotta start getting real.
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#1202602 - 07/25/10 07:41 PM Re: EPA takes fresh look at ’fracking [Re: De La Mongione]
gasguy
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Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: De La Mongione
Originally Posted By: gasguy
http://www.stargazette.com/article/20100724/BUSINESS/7240325/1113/

Here's another side of the story that the tree huggers won't publish.




Again, money isn't everything. And you say "tree hugger" likes it's a bad thing. What is wrong with caring about the one planet we have?


This state needs revenue and jobs and I haven't seen any proof where this is the great enviromental disaster that you people say it is. Yes there have been accidents and issues but any industry has accidents and issues. With the proper oversight this drilling should move forward.

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#1205570 - 08/05/10 07:02 AM Re: EPA takes fresh look at ’fracking [Re: gasguy]
kyle585
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So, gasguy, I consider this listening to the citizens. I suppose you consider it listening to the activists/trouble makers/radicals, etc?

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NYS Senate Approves Moratorium on Hydrofracking

Source: Finger Lakes News Radio

Late Tuesday night, the State Senate voted 48 to 9 for a temporary moratorium on using hydrofracking to get natural gas deposits from the Marcellus Shale and other formations.

The Assembly will then vote on the bill later this year, probably next month. The moratorium would be in effect until May of next year.

The state Department of Environmental Conservation is currently putting together new regulations concerning hydrofracking, which uses huge amounts of water, sand and chemicals to blast open small fizzures in tight bedrock thousands of feet below ground.

Voting yes on the fracking moratorium were the two Senators who represent Cayuga County, Republican Michael Nozzolio and Democrat David Valesky.

Among those voting no on the moratorium were two Southern Tier legislators, Tom Libous of Binghamton and George Winner of Elmira. Both represent areas where many landowners are anxious to cash in on mineral rights and natural gas royalties.


Edited by kyle585 (08/05/10 08:43 AM)
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#1205669 - 08/05/10 01:00 PM Re: EPA takes fresh look at ’fracking [Re: kyle585]
De La Mongione
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Registered: 06/26/10
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Loc: Seneca County
Of course you don't see an environmental disaster, all you see is money.
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#1205763 - 08/05/10 09:41 PM Re: EPA takes fresh look at ’fracking [Re: kyle585]
gasguy
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Registered: 06/05/10
Posts: 579
Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: kyle585
So, gasguy, I consider this listening to the citizens. I suppose you consider it listening to the activists/trouble makers/radicals, etc?

***************************************************************

NYS Senate Approves Moratorium on Hydrofracking

Source: Finger Lakes News Radio

Late Tuesday night, the State Senate voted 48 to 9 for a temporary moratorium on using hydrofracking to get natural gas deposits from the Marcellus Shale and other formations.

The Assembly will then vote on the bill later this year, probably next month. The moratorium would be in effect until May of next year.

The state Department of Environmental Conservation is currently putting together new regulations concerning hydrofracking, which uses huge amounts of water, sand and chemicals to blast open small fizzures in tight bedrock thousands of feet below ground.

Voting yes on the fracking moratorium were the two Senators who represent Cayuga County, Republican Michael Nozzolio and Democrat David Valesky.

Among those voting no on the moratorium were two Southern Tier legislators, Tom Libous of Binghamton and George Winner of Elmira. Both represent areas where many landowners are anxious to cash in on mineral rights and natural gas royalties.


I can guarantee you are on the minority side as usual.

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#1205811 - 08/06/10 06:19 AM Re: EPA takes fresh look at ’fracking [Re: gasguy]
kyle585
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Registered: 02/18/09
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Loc: Somewhere out there
Originally Posted By: gasguy
Originally Posted By: kyle585
So, gasguy, I consider this listening to the citizens. I suppose you consider it listening to the activists/trouble makers/radicals, etc?

***************************************************************

NYS Senate Approves Moratorium on Hydrofracking

Late Tuesday night, the State Senate voted 48 to 9 for a temporary moratorium on using hydrofracking to get natural gas deposits from the Marcellus Shale and other formations.

I can guarantee you are on the minority side as usual.
Really? The New York state senate voted for it 48-9. Sounds like a majority to me!
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#1206168 - 08/07/10 08:41 AM Re: EPA takes fresh look at ’fracking [Re: kyle585]
gasguy
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Registered: 06/05/10
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Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: gasguy
Originally Posted By: kyle585
So, gasguy, I consider this listening to the citizens. I suppose you consider it listening to the activists/trouble makers/radicals, etc?

***************************************************************

NYS Senate Approves Moratorium on Hydrofracking

Late Tuesday night, the State Senate voted 48 to 9 for a temporary moratorium on using hydrofracking to get natural gas deposits from the Marcellus Shale and other formations.

I can guarantee you are on the minority side as usual.
Really? The New York state senate voted for it 48-9. Sounds like a majority to me!


Not in the general public you are in the minority. As usual legislatures listen to the vocal minority. People want jobs and lower taxes such as what has happened in Pa and other states.

http://www.sungazette.com/page/content.detail/id/532300.html?nav=5011

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#1206244 - 08/07/10 03:52 PM Re: EPA takes fresh look at ’fracking [Re: gasguy]
De La Mongione
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Registered: 06/26/10
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People want jobs and lower taxes, and then they cry and despair once their entire environment has been defiled and everyone in their community is getting cancer. How much is your well being worth? Your children's and grand-children's well-being?
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#1206298 - 08/07/10 11:53 PM Re: EPA takes fresh look at ’fracking [Re: De La Mongione]
gasguy
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Registered: 06/05/10
Posts: 579
Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: De La Mongione
People want jobs and lower taxes, and then they cry and despair once their entire environment has been defiled and everyone in their community is getting cancer. How much is your well being worth? Your children's and grand-children's well-being?


As always you take everything to a extreme. Oh my god if we do something different the world is going to end. Give me a break you people are so afraid to do anything. You blow everything way out of proportion and make everything look like a potential disaster. With the proper oversight this is what NY needs. Jobs and revenue so our children can stay here and have a decent life. There are no jobs and high taxes make our children leave in droves.

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#1206483 - 08/08/10 08:15 PM Re: EPA takes fresh look at ’fracking [Re: gasguy]
De La Mongione
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OK gasguy AKA Guy Who Works In Hydrofracking Or Will Somehow Benefit From It Or Is Delusional Enough To Believe He Will, why don't you go live right next to the fracking site if you love it so much dipshit, just don't cry when your water is polluted and you get cancer.
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#1206544 - 08/08/10 11:16 PM Re: EPA takes fresh look at ’fracking [Re: De La Mongione]
Senecamom
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New York's Department of Environmental Conservation has been busy stamping permits for drilling. But the DEC might be moving the process along too quickly: Instead of studying the environmental impacts of each individual well (which is typically needed under State law) the DEC has opted to hastily get through this process by only gauging the collective impact of the hydraulic fracturing process. Such generic evaluations are similar to the type of loose regulation used in deep water drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

We just returned from the area in Pennsylvania,..... "where hydrofracking has been taking place in the Marcellus Shale, wells have been ruined, tainted with salt, benzene, and other toxic and volatile chemicals. There is evidence that these compounds have also entered into nearby streams, not only affecting fish, but nearby farms that use this water for irrigation.

The problems with hydrofracking in have been outlined in the documentary Gasland, which is currently playing on the premium cable network HBO. The most famous segment of the film shows a resident near a hydrofracking well setting his methane-infused tap water on fire in his kitchen."

http://www.thealbanyproject.com/diary/8558/hydrofracking-endangers-the-lower-hudson-valley
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#1206554 - 08/08/10 11:54 PM Re: EPA takes fresh look at ’fracking [Re: Senecamom]
gasguy
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Registered: 06/05/10
Posts: 579
Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: Senecamom
New York's Department of Environmental Conservation has been busy stamping permits for drilling. But the DEC might be moving the process along too quickly: Instead of studying the environmental impacts of each individual well (which is typically needed under State law) the DEC has opted to hastily get through this process by only gauging the collective impact of the hydraulic fracturing process. Such generic evaluations are similar to the type of loose regulation used in deep water drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

We just returned from the area in Pennsylvania,..... "where hydrofracking has been taking place in the Marcellus Shale, wells have been ruined, tainted with salt, benzene, and other toxic and volatile chemicals. There is evidence that these compounds have also entered into nearby streams, not only affecting fish, but nearby farms that use this water for irrigation.

The problems with hydrofracking in have been outlined in the documentary Gasland, which is currently playing on the premium cable network HBO. The most famous segment of the film shows a resident near a hydrofracking well setting his methane-infused tap water on fire in his kitchen."

http://www.thealbanyproject.com/diary/8558/hydrofracking-endangers-the-lower-hudson-valley


Only minor instances but you make it sounds like all the wells are that way. Typical for activists who want to distort the truth. Take one incident and make it sound like the whole state is doomed. As far as gasland that's just a activist movie what do you expect? I'm sure the gas companies have one and can spin it in their direction to.

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#1206555 - 08/08/10 11:58 PM Re: EPA takes fresh look at ’fracking [Re: De La Mongione]
gasguy
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Registered: 06/05/10
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Loc: ny
Originally Posted By: De La Mongione
OK gasguy AKA Guy Who Works In Hydrofracking Or Will Somehow Benefit From It Or Is Delusional Enough To Believe He Will, why don't you go live right next to the fracking site if you love it so much dipshit, just don't cry when your water is polluted and you get cancer.


I won't benefit from drilling at all. I just don't like to see jerks like you blow everything way out of proportion with scare tactics and no data to back up those big statements. You make all these claims but where's the evidence?

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