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#1438233 --- 02/27/14 08:56 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
The reason I don't offer solutions to your "problem" is because the way I see it, there is no problem but that which non-Indians have created themselves.

are you non-indian?
if so, then you created the 'problem' and now you should offer solutions to correct your error

Neither relevant nor any of your business.

are you ashamed of your race?

That makes no sense whatsoever.


are you worried that your 'crimes of the past' will be exposed?

you do not have 'clean hands'
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#1438249 --- 02/27/14 10:21 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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First Americans May Have Been Stuck in Beringia for Millennia

By Alan Boyle 3 hours ago

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-n...illennia-n40381

Anthropologists say that the ancestors of Native Americans started making their way from Siberia to the Americas 25,000 years ago over a land bridge that once spanned the Bering Sea — but there are gaps in that story: Why didn't those migrants leave behind any archaeological traces until 10,000 years later?

Now scientists are homing in on an explanation: During all those millennia, the first Americans were isolated on the land bridge itself. When the land bridge vanished, so did the evidence of that Beringian culture.

The "Beringian Standstill" hypothesis was first proposed by Latin American geneticists in 1997, as a way to explain the genetic evidence indicating that Native Americans started diverging from Siberians 25,000 years ago. In contrast, the archaeological evidence for the first Americans goes back only 15,000 years, to the end of the ice age known as the Last Glacial Maximum.

In this week's issue of the journal Science, three researchers report new clues that support the claims for Beringia's lost world. They say fossilized insects, plants and pollen extracted from Bering Sea sediment cores show that central Beringia was once covered by shrub tundra. That would have made it one of the few regions in the Arctic where wood was available for fuel.

Thousands of Siberian migrants might have found refuge in central Beringia until the climate warmed up enough for glaciers to recede, letting them continue their movement into the Americas, the researchers say. "This work fills in a 10,000-year missing link in the story of the peopling of the New World," Scott Elias, a geography professor at Royal Holloway, University of London, said in a news release.

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#1438279 --- 02/28/14 03:45 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: bluezone
what examples exist today?
Timbo posted that link of opinions in the Tribal News thread to which I posted the REAL US apology and his standard accusations of questions not being answered is exactly what he does after refusing to make ANY stated fact regarding atrocities of today. Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer. Timbo will reply but not answer.

Are THESE the ones you mean?

Apology To The Native American Indians

By Dr. Mary Hamer, M.D

08 December, 2009
Countercurrents.org

Dedicated to Onikwit, an Ojibwe Native American Indian from Walpole Island, Ontario, Canada

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http://jezebel.com/5880074/meet-the-batshit-crazy-woman-convinced-of-joran-van-der-sloots-innocence

Oh, THIS Dr. Mary Hamer, M.D.?

Mary Hamer, a Florida radiologist and total nutcase has, in what she believes to be a spiritual mission, donated over one hundred thousand dollars to the legal council of Joran Van Der Sloot, the Dutch citizen accused of the murders of both Stephany Flores and Natalee Holloway. Despite Van Der Sloot's admission of guilt in the case of Flores, Hamer continues to believe his innocence, claiming that several conspiracies led to him pleading guilty.

Hamer's interview with Anderson Cooper becomes even more depressing— a challenge when you're already discussing the senseless deaths of two women— once you realize that this is a woman much more in need of psychological help than she is of a public forum in which to tout her insane and offensive theories.

[Note: she gave his attorney $75,000 for bail before discovering that when you are charged with murder, there is no bail. ]

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#1438282 --- 02/28/14 05:02 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Oh, THIS Dr. Mary Hamer, M.D.?

I don't know as I can't find any direct evidence that it is. I suspect that neither can you.

Is this you or some other Rich Talcott?
http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2002/ucm145093.htm
http://epa-sites.findthedata.org/l/413097/Ashland-Farm
http://ec2-54-243-190-15.compute-1.amazonaws.com/persondetail.php?custnumber=A11581470

Not that any of that would at all change anything that was written in the "Apology".

As near as I can deduce, the information is completely accurate and includes all sources and requisite citations.

Feel free to challenge the material with some actual proof instead of pathetically trying to dodge the facts by attempting to discredit the dialogue with a straw man argument.
It certainly has nothing to do with taxes, though farm subsidies definitely do.

You're a real winner, you are.
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#1438287 --- 02/28/14 08:49 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: teedoff27
It's gonna take over 10++ YEARS for any of the new Cuomo casinos to come even close to competing with Turning Stone!!


then halbritter will come after your land that much sooner...
lol


YUP! I will sell it to him for twice the assessed value, have Lindsay transfer to University of North Carolina Wilmington and move to North Carolina NOW instead of waiting till May 2016 grin
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#1438290 --- 02/28/14 10:26 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
The reason I don't offer solutions to your "problem" is because the way I see it, there is no problem but that which non-Indians have created themselves.
are you non-indian?
Neither relevant nor any of your business.
are you ashamed of your race?
I'm neither ashamed nor proud. Why would I be so arrogant as to take credit for a happenstance of the coming together of genetic material of which I had nothing to do with?
Why are you so arrogant that you think I should take credit for a happenstance of what my ancestors did hundreds of years ago to a group now so arrogant that they think they don't have to pay as much taxes as the rest of us?
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#1438304 --- 02/28/14 12:16 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
The reason I don't offer solutions to your "problem" is because the way I see it, there is no problem but that which non-Indians have created themselves.

are you non-indian?
if so, then you created the 'problem' and now you should offer solutions to correct your error

Neither relevant nor any of your business.


not relevant?

if you are NOT a 'tribal' member and you cleary HATE 'white' men
then that would mean that you have no reason to be on this land

your ancestors did not defeat the british to gain this land and you are not a 'tribal' member

so tell us WHERE YOUR homeland is?

and why you refuse to go back?
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#1438309 --- 02/28/14 12:27 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Bluezone, you are certifiably crazier than a bag of cats.

Which is logical, as I suspect that your house is likely filled with them and hundreds of stacks of old hoarded newspapers choking each room with the stench of kitty pee and mummified carcasses.
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#1438314 --- 02/28/14 12:42 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Bluezone,


so where is YOUR homeland?
or are you ashamed of it...
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#1438339 --- 02/28/14 02:25 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
The reason I don't offer solutions to your "problem" is because the way I see it, there is no problem but that which non-Indians have created themselves.
are you non-indian?
Neither relevant nor any of your business.
are you ashamed of your race?
I'm neither ashamed nor proud. Why would I be so arrogant as to take credit for a happenstance of the coming together of genetic material of which I had nothing to do?
Why are you so arrogant that you think I should take credit for a happenstance of what my ancestors did hundreds of years ago to a group now so arrogant that they think they don't have to pay as much taxes as the rest of us?

I've never seen a more idiotic and disingenuous dodge on all of these forums.

How does one conceivably draw comparisons between non-correlative racial pride and that of the near extermination of an entire race ? ? ?

In other words, white Europeans were INDEED the very cause, whereas my ego had absolutely nothing to do with those events, whatsoever.

Yikes!
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#1438340 --- 02/28/14 03:00 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Those wielding weapons of cultural genocide always masquerade it as 'freedom' when attempting to subjugate and force indigenous folks to assimilate.

Perfidious.
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#1438351 --- 02/28/14 04:03 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Oh, THIS Dr. Mary Hamer, M.D.?

I don't know as I can't find any direct evidence that it is. I suspect that neither can you.

Is this you or some other Rich Talcott?
http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2002/ucm145093.htm
http://epa-sites.findthedata.org/l/413097/Ashland-Farm
http://ec2-54-243-190-15.compute-1.amazonaws.com/persondetail.php?custnumber=A11581470


The only things you have proven is that you don't live in the area you are bashing and cannot spell a name correctly in a Google search. Whereas a Google on Dr. Mary Hamer does not appear to reference more than one Dr. Mary Hamer. Tubby revealed what a Google on Timbo is defined as.

Her apology is selective and there are other facts but hashing over century old history that has nothing to do with this thread is better dealt with on you tangent thread. I have better things to do.

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#1438354 --- 02/28/14 04:14 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Oh, THIS Dr. Mary Hamer, M.D.?

I don't know as I can't find any direct evidence that it is. I suspect that neither can you.

Is this you or some other Rich Talcott?
http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2002/ucm145093.htm
http://epa-sites.findthedata.org/l/413097/Ashland-Farm
http://ec2-54-243-190-15.compute-1.amazonaws.com/persondetail.php?custnumber=A11581470



I have better things to do.


Understatement of the day Richie Rich. whistle
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#1438363 --- 02/28/14 05:29 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Oh, THIS Dr. Mary Hamer, M.D.?

I don't know as I can't find any direct evidence that it is. I suspect that neither can you.

Is this you or some other Rich Talcott?
http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2002/ucm145093.htm
http://epa-sites.findthedata.org/l/413097/Ashland-Farm
http://ec2-54-243-190-15.compute-1.amazonaws.com/persondetail.php?custnumber=A11581470


The only things you have proven is that you don't live in the area you are bashing and cannot spell a name correctly in a Google search. Whereas a Google on Dr. Mary Hamer does not appear to reference more than one Dr. Mary Hamer. Tubby revealed what a Google on Timbo is defined as.

Her apology is selective and there are other facts but hashing over century old history that has nothing to do with this thread is better dealt with on you tangent thread. I have better things to do.

Tell me, Rich...

What's your take on the greedy farmers who won't pay their fair share and expect tax payers to foot the bill for their "cushy" country lifestyle? Especially those who desire to possess even MORE land that belongs to Native Americans, in order to expand their little taxpayer-supported dairy and corn profit empires?

Any thoughts on that?
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#1438364 --- 02/28/14 05:34 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
so where is YOUR homeland?


Q: What happens if a non-tribal individual does not pay "their" taxes?
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#1438384 --- 02/28/14 06:55 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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What do you think happens ?

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#1438385 --- 02/28/14 06:59 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: tubby]
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Humor me.
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#1438396 --- 02/28/14 07:49 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: tubby]
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I think this belongs here as well as on the Tribal News thread:

While tribal nations do not enjoy direct access to U.S. courts to bring cases against individual states, as sovereign nations they do enjoy immunity against many lawsuits, unless a plaintiff is granted a waiver by the tribe or by congressional abrogation. The sovereignty extends to tribal enterprises and tribal casinos or gaming commissions. The Indian Civil Rights Act does not allow actions against an Indian tribe in federal court for deprivation of substantive rights, except for habeas corpus proceedings.

Tribal and pueblo governments today launch far-reaching economic ventures, operate growing law enforcement agencies and adopt codes to govern conduct within their jurisdiction but the United States retains control over the scope of tribal law making. Laws adopted by Native American governments must also pass the Secretarial Review of the Department of Interior through the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

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The Indian Appropriations Act of 1871 had two significant sections. First, the Act required the Federal Government no longer interact with the various tribes through treaties, but rather through statutes by stating, in part, "no Indian nation or tribe within the territory of the United States shall be acknowledged or recognized as an independent nation".

The 1871 Act also made it a federal crime to commit murder, manslaughter, rape, assault with intent to kill, arson, burglary, and larceny within any Territory of the United States. The 1871 Act was affirmed in 1886 by the US Supreme Court, in United States v. Kagama, which affirmed that the Congress has Plenary power over all Native American tribes within its borders by rationalization that "The power of the general government over these remnants of a race once powerful ... is necessary to their protection as well as to the safety of those among whom they dwell".

Before 1871 United States had previously recognized the Indian Tribes as semi-independent. The Supreme Court affirmed that the US Government "has the right and authority, instead of controlling them by treaties, to govern them by acts of Congress, they being within the geographical limit of the United States.... The Indians owe no allegiance to a State within which their reservation may be established, and the State gives them no protection."

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The federal U.S. government has always been the government that makes treaties with Indian tribes - not individual states.

Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution states that “Congress shall have the power to regulate Commerce with foreign nations and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes”. This determined that Indian tribes were separate from the federal or state governments and that the states did not have power to regulate commerce with the tribes, much less regulate the tribes.

The states and tribal nations have clashed over many issues such as Indian gaming, fishing, and hunting. American Indians believed that they had treaties between their ancestors and the United States government, protecting their right to fish, while non-Indians believed the states were responsible for regulating commercial and sports fishing. In the case Menominee Tribe v. United States in 1968, it was ruled that “the establishment of a reservation by treaty, statute or agreement includes an implied right of Indians to hunt and fish on that reservation free of regulation by the state”.

States have tried to extend their power over the tribes in many other instances, but federal government ruling has continuously ruled in favor of tribal sovereignty. A seminal court case was Worchester v. Georgia. Chief Justice Marshall found that “England had treated the tribes as sovereign and negotiated treaties of alliance with them. The United States followed suit, thus continuing the practice of recognizing tribal sovereignty. When the United States assumed the role of protector of the tribes, it neither denied nor destroyed their sovereignty.” As determined in the Supreme Court case United States v. Nice (1916), U.S. citizens are subject to all U.S. laws even if they also have tribal citizenship.

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When the United States government formed, it replaced the British government as the other sovereignty coexisting in America with the American Indians. The U.S. constitution specifically mentions American Indians three times. Article I, section 2, clause 3 and the fourteenth amendment section 2 address the handling of "Indians not taxed" in the apportionment of the seats of the House of Representatives according to population and in so doing suggest that Indians need not be taxed. In Article I section 8, clause 3, Congress is empowered to “regulate commerce with foreign nations…states…and with the Indian tribes.” Technically, Congress has no more power over Indian nations than it does over individual states and general congressional laws are not applicable to them.

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Another dispute over American Indian government is its sovereignty versus that of the states. The federal U.S. government has always been the government that makes treaties with Indian tribes - not individual states. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution states that “Congress shall have the power to regulate Commerce with foreign nations and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes”. This determined that Indian tribes were separate from the federal or state governments and that the states did not have power to regulate commerce with the tribes, much less regulate the tribes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal_sovereignty_in_the_United_States
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#1438412 --- 02/28/14 10:14 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

Bluezone,


so where is YOUR homeland?
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#1438414 --- 02/28/14 10:20 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Especially those who desire to possess even MORE land that belongs to Native Americans


and yet you have not given any of YOUR land back
so why should others?
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