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#1382350 --- 01/13/13 08:07 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
Teonan Offline
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

After 200 years of the US government repeatedly breaking treaties, it bothers you when American Indians disagree with current treaties?

Your apparent hatred of Native Americans and general intransigence, makes you unworthy of my time, where this issue is concerned.



Good for you. Screw the spin. It was designed and implemented to legitimize slaughter and land. A black hole to compliment their black crimes.

The US and the Crime of Genocide Against Native Americans

On September 8, 2000, the head of the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) formally apologized for the agency's participation in the "ethnic cleansing" of Western tribes. From the forced relocation and assimilation of the "sauvage" to the white man's way of life to the forced sterilization of Native Americans, the BIA set out to "destroy all things Indian." Through the exploration of the United States' Federal Indian policy, it is evident that this policy intended to "destroy, in whole or in part," the Native American population. The extreme disparity in the number of Native American people living within the United States' borders at the time Columbus arrived, approximately ten million compared to the approximate 2.4 million Indians and Eskimos alive in the United States today, is but one factor that illustrates the success of the government's plan of "Manifest Destiny."

No longer can we remain indifferent and justify these acts of genocide committed by the United States government, its agencies, and its personnel against Native Americans as a result of colonization or the need to establish a prosperous union. Instead, the United States government, its agencies, and those involved with carrying out the measures designed to inflict genocidal acts against the Native American population must be held in violation of customary international law, as well as conventional international law, as proscribed in the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (Genocide Convention).

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/06hrights/georegions/northamerica/UnitedStates02.htm



Edited by Teonan (01/13/13 08:08 PM)
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#1382478 --- 01/14/13 01:43 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
... the Native American population. The extreme disparity in the number of Native American people living within the United States' borders at the time Columbus arrived, approximately ten million compared to the approximate 2.4 million Indians and Eskimos alive in the United States today


Originally Posted By: Teonan

"During the four centuries spanning the time between 1492, when Christopher Columbus first set foot on the "New World" of a Caribbean beach, and 1892, when the U.S. Census Bureau concluded that there were fewer than a quarter million indigenous people surviving within the country’s claimed boundaries, a hemispheric population estimated to have been as great as 125 million


is the correct number 10 million or 125 million?

not able to keep your numbers straight?


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#1382500 --- 01/14/13 04:06 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
Teonan Offline
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Teonan
... the Native American population. The extreme disparity in the number of Native American people living within the United States' borders at the time Columbus arrived, approximately ten million compared to the approximate 2.4 million Indians and Eskimos alive in the United States today


Originally Posted By: Teonan

"During the four centuries spanning the time between 1492, when Christopher Columbus first set foot on the "New World" of a Caribbean beach, and 1892, when the U.S. Census Bureau concluded that there were fewer than a quarter million indigenous people surviving within the country’s claimed boundaries, a hemispheric population estimated to have been as great as 125 million


is the correct number 10 million or 125 million?

not able to keep your numbers straight?



Try again. You're comparing population numbers within the continental U.S. to hemispheric numbers.

By conservative estimates, the population of the United states prior to European contact was greater than 12 million. Four centuries later, the count was reduced by 95% to 237 thousand.



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#1382579 --- 01/14/13 10:14 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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VERY conservative.
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#1382644 --- 01/15/13 01:35 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
You're comparing population numbers within the continental U.S. to hemispheric numbers.



Originally Posted By: Teonan
"During the four centuries spanning the time between 1492, when Christopher Columbus first set foot on the "New World" of a Caribbean beach, and 1892, when the U.S. Census Bureau concluded that there were fewer than a quarter million indigenous people surviving within the country’s claimed boundaries, a hemispheric population estimated to have been as great as 125 million


are saying that the western hemisphere had about 125 million 'tribal members'?

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#1382785 --- 01/16/13 01:37 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

VERY conservative.


and where are your facts?

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#1382804 --- 01/16/13 04:46 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo

VERY conservative.


and where are your facts?

(timbos sig line- Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. )




While hard to get an exact measure of populations, modern estimates range between 60-120 million for the pre-Columbian Americas. aprox. 20-30 million for The Mexican Valley, around 200,000 for all of Canada, 30-60 million in the Central and South Americas and 12-18 million in North America (or aprox. 8 times the total population in all of England).

Just the Facts.

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#1382960 --- 01/16/13 07:59 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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FingerLakes1.com has learned that up to 10 Federal ATF agents, along with local authorities, are on site at the Smoke Shop/Convenience Store operated by members of the Oklahoma-Cayuga Indian Tribe around 2:00 pm Wednesday.

They are currently removing cigarettes from the premise and loading into federal trucks.

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#1383120 --- 01/17/13 03:02 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo

30-60 million in the Central and South Americas


and what is a rough population total of 'tribal' members in central and south america today?


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#1383171 --- 01/17/13 07:21 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo

30-60 million in the Central and South Americas


and what is a rough population total of 'tribal' members in central and south america today?



You were deprived of oxygen at some point in your life, weren't you?
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#1383175 --- 01/17/13 07:37 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo

30-60 million in the Central and South Americas


and what is a rough population total of 'tribal' members in central and south america today?



You were deprived of oxygen at some point in your life, weren't you?



LOLOLOL, I thought his logic derived from reading all those 1951 National Geographic magazines...hint...hint

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#1383203 --- 01/17/13 09:36 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Ohithere]
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\:D
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#1383220 --- 01/17/13 11:01 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo

30-60 million in the Central and South Americas


and what is a rough population total of 'tribal' members in central and south america today?



You were deprived of oxygen at some point in your life, weren't you?



Slumlords often get lead poisoning from their substandard rental units. We all know what lead poisoning does to cognitive functioning. We've seen evidence of it right here on these forums.


Edited by twocats (01/17/13 11:01 PM)
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#1383268 --- 01/18/13 06:57 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: twocats]
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I hope the EPA doesn't visit the forums. There's lead dust everywhere.

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#1383278 --- 01/18/13 10:55 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo

30-60 million in the Central and South Americas


and what is a rough population total of 'tribal' members in central and south america today?



You were deprived of oxygen at some point in your life, weren't you?



would that suggest that their population has increased or decreased?

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#1383466 --- 01/19/13 03:51 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: twocats]
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Originally Posted By: twocats
We all know what lead poisoning does to cognitive functioning.


are you suggesting that your parents home where you were raised had lead or the school you attended?

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#1385597 --- 02/01/13 02:44 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Teonan]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Good for you.


will you be voting for hillary if she runs for prez in the next election?

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#1385627 --- 02/01/13 05:30 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: twocats
We all know what lead poisoning does to cognitive functioning.


are you suggesting that your parents home where you were raised had lead or the school you attended?

It takes you a little while to gain traction, doesn't it! How long ago did I post THAT obvious assessment?
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#1385788 --- 02/02/13 05:18 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Timbo]
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seems twocats posted it by the quote

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#1386107 --- 02/04/13 09:05 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Teonan
Good for you.


will you be voting for hillary if she runs for prez in the next election?

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