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#1160227 --- 03/17/10 12:58 AM Re: Christendom Marches On! [Re: HarleyBobT]
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Images of a nuclear attack on worshippers making a pilgrimage to their most sacred site can only be described as despicable HBT.

If it had been the Vatican, or Church of the Holy Sepulchre beneath that mushroom cloud, odds are you'd have been long gone!
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#1160243 --- 03/17/10 01:41 AM Re: Christendom Marches On! [Re: Santa_Cruzer]
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I'm planning on making another post do you want me to pm it to you before I post it?I want you to like me...aahahahahah
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#1160261 --- 03/17/10 02:15 AM Re: Christendom Marches On! [Re: HarleyBobT]
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Post away HBT.

Best to stow away that offensive racism and bigotry.

Thin ice ya know.
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#1160500 --- 03/17/10 02:14 PM Re: Christendom Marches On! [Re: Santa_Cruzer]
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Child marriage still an issue in Saudi Arabia

Joel Brinkley

Sunday, March 14, 2010

Controversy was stirred in 2008 when a prominent Saudi cleric saw nothing un-Islamic in a birthday party, but Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdulaziz Al al-Sheikh strongly opposed celebrating birthdays. Now he opposes any change to traditional child marriage.


Saudi Arabia has a serious child-marriage problem.

It's emblematic of the nation's struggle between modernity and traditional Islam. But the lives of thousands of little girls are being destroyed as the Saudi government ponderously debates a solution.

Child marriage has been acceptable, even encouraged, in many Islamic states since the religion was born. After all, among the prophet Muhammad's dozen wives was Aisha, who is believed to have been 6 or 7 years old when the two were married. But in Saudi Arabia, at least, the practice slammed headlong into modern values last spring, when a Saudi court refused to nullify the marriage of an 8-year-old girl from Unaiza to a man in his late 50s.

Over the past few years, long-standing social practices in Saudi Arabia have been thrown into the glare of world opinion, embarrassing the state and forcing at least cosmetic changes.

In 2006, for example, a judge sentenced a young woman to 200 lashes and several months in prison for being alone in a car with a man she was not related to, where they were attacked and she was raped. Opprobrium from around the world rained down on Riyadh. President George W. Bush asked: "What happens if this happens to my daughter? I'd be angry at a state that does not support the victim." King Abdullah commuted the sentence.

In 2008, one of the nation's most senior religious authorities directed that two reporters for a mainstream Saudi newspaper be executed for publishing stories suggesting that religions other than Islam are worthy of respect. Once again, the cleric's remark spawned international outrage, and the cleric's order was ignored. Then came last spring's court ruling on that 8-year-old wife.

For centuries, clerics on the Arabian Peninsula have been issuing execution orders for religious "crimes"; women have been marginalized and punished to protect male malefactors; parents have sold little girls, too young to ride a bike, to elderly men. Hardly ever did anyone outside the region notice. But that was before the Internet, before blogs and Twitter, YouTube and Facebook - before almost anything that happened anywhere in the world was broadcast instantly to almost anyone who cared.

The hook that caught people's attention in last year's case was the judge's refusal to grant the 8-year-old a divorce, indicating that the state endorsed child marriage. The judge was willing to order the man not to have sex with the girl until she reached puberty, four or five years later. (If he violated that, who would know?) Once again, Saudi Arabia faced rebukes from around the world, prompting the justice minister, Mohammed Al Issa, to suggest that it was time for child marriage to end.

His ministry, he told a Saudi newspaper, intended to stipulate 18 as the minimum age for marriage, "to put an end to arbitrariness by parents and guardians in marrying off minor girls." His intent, he added, was to "preserve the rights, to end the negative aspects of underage girls' marriage." Like unfavorable news coverage?

Well, that was almost a year ago. Still no law has emanated from the government, almost certainly because senior clerics control large areas of domestic policy, and most of them, including the chief cleric, Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdulaziz Al al-Sheikh, oppose this change in tradition.

Now a spate of new cases has been thrown up for public scrutiny. Last month, a 12-year-old girl, fighting to divorce an 80-year-old man who paid her father $22,000 for permission to marry her, suddenly dropped her divorce request. She failed to appear in court on the day the judge was supposed to issue his decision. One can only guess what happened, but most 12-year-olds would find it difficult to reject adult advice or commands about something like this.

Saudi Arabia is hardly the only state facing this problem. Last year, Turkey made it legal for 12-year-olds to marry, if their parents agree. The Turkish Statistical Institute estimates that one-third of the state's brides are under 18. In Yemen and Bangladesh, even among some sects in Burma, child marriage is commonplace. The victims, in those places and elsewhere: little girls who are forced into wasted, often miserable, lives.

Saudi Arabia has publicly committed to change its law, to protect the children. For the Kingdom, this is hard. But if Saudi Arabia, of all places, can change the law and recognize that little girls have the right to grow up normally, that will be an act heard around the world.

Joel Brinkley, a professor of journalism at Stanford University, is a former foreign correspondent for the New York Times. To comment, e-mail Brinkley@foreign-matters.com. Contact us via our online submissions form at sfgate.com/chronicle/submissions/#1.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/03/13/IN5D1CD71L.DTL#ixzz0iRHKKMNa

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#1160712 --- 03/17/10 11:00 PM Re: Christendom Marches On! [Re: HarleyBobT]
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Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT


WOW! I get another pathetic response from another pathetic human who thinks he has some kind of inside knowledge on our pathetic race.

What I think is pathetic is pathetic people like you who are making these pathetic weapons to kill other pathetic people who are making more pathetic weapons. It's pathetic people like you who are making the delivery systems and it's pathetic people like you who fly the weapons platforms to deliver these weapons.


And it's pathetic people like you who whine and say these pathetic people like me are the ones to blame. It's people like me who are getting our hands bloody so your little pathetic students can grow-up and go to a pathetic college and have a big house,car and a pathetic job making more pathetic weapons systems to kill more pathetic people....

Now what I find funny and really pathetic about all this and it is you only see the bible and or religion as root the cause and when in realty its you who is the root cause!

It's you Peloquin and your kind who are the cause of all the crap going on in the world, it's you and your kind pissing on the planet, it's you killing off mankind.

You can call me anything you want, because I know who and what you really are... death wrapped in a textbook.


So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence; and in this respect ministers of religion follow gospel authority more closely than in some others.
-- Bertrand Russell

Just round up all us intellectuals, teachers and educated and ship us off to camps. Great idea Chairman Mao!
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#1160756 --- 03/18/10 01:46 AM Re: Christendom Marches On! [Re: Peloquin]
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Originally Posted By: Peloquin


So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence; and in this respect ministers of religion follow gospel authority more closely than in some others.
-- Bertrand Russell

Just round up all us intellectuals, teachers and educated and ship us off to camps. Great idea Chairman Mao!


ahahahahahah... you are without a doubt a mark and I do love when you go phishing for quotes.

I phished this quote, I hope you like it.


"If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking."
General George Patton Jr
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#1160771 --- 03/18/10 01:59 AM Re: Christendom Marches On! [Re: HarleyBobT]
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Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT

"If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking."
General George Patton Jr


Perfect description of you and the rest of the FoxNews following right wing nutcases.
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#1160785 --- 03/18/10 02:51 AM Re: Christendom Marches On! [Re: Peloquin]
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Originally Posted By: Peloquin
Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT

"If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking."
General George Patton Jr


Perfect description of you and the rest of the FoxNews following right wing nutcases.
Originally Posted By: Peloquin
Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT
You always like to give yourself way more credit than is do. This is more like it, your a baby pelican who needs to grow up.



Can't debate so attack (weakly at best.) Sorry that you are not allowed to BS and blame the left for all the ills of the world. Come back when you two hit puberty and maybe you will start to understand something about life and how the world works children.
Ahahahah...Your a beauty pal. You better keep your job bs'ing the kids, because you'd starve if you really had work.aahhahahaha
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#1160820 --- 03/18/10 04:40 AM Re: Christendom Marches On! [Re: HarleyBobT]
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"Two legs bad, four legs good."
"Four legs good, two legs better."

You're a sheep. Too bad you are too ignorant to know it.
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#1160821 --- 03/18/10 04:42 AM Re: Christendom Marches On! [Re: HarleyBobT]
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Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT
... and it's pathetic people like you who fly the weapons platforms to deliver these weapons.





BTW nice attack on our brave men and women in the military. What a proud Amerikan!
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#1160823 --- 03/18/10 04:49 AM Re: Christendom Marches On! [Re: Peloquin]
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Shhhh.

HBT is in his seditious dreamworld.

Let the fatman slumber.
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#1160849 --- 03/18/10 10:38 AM Re: Christendom Marches On! [Re: Peloquin]
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Oh, okay now that you want to use them in one of your pathetic arguments there brave men and women of the military. Keep bsing the kids pal. I love the reference you made to Animal Farm, Eric would be very proud of you.Ahahahahaha
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