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#1206925 --- 08/10/10 12:04 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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#1206951 --- 08/10/10 01:02 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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"Monday’s court ruling will likely have little effect on any Oneida Nation properties or businesses, including the sprawling Turning Stone Resort & Casino complex in Verona. The New York Oneida tribe owns outright 17,000 acres, having bought parcels on the open market since the early 1990s"

"Monday’s decision also doesn’t stop the Oneidas from buying more land later."

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/08/appeals_court_dismisses_oneida.html
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#1207007 --- 08/10/10 05:01 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: s2hphoto.com]
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taxes due
all NYS laws apply
the casino is illegal and cannot be put into trust
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#1207088 --- 08/11/10 03:14 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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yes they may pay taxes now.... but do really think Paterson will shut that *cash cow* down?? Just look at all the tourism they just brought in for the Golf Tournament. Also all winnings over $1200 have been taxable since the casino opened, also now that they have a liquor license they have been paying food and drink taxes already so not much will change. Also I could care less about their Sav-On gas stations because they are only 2-3 cents cheaper and that is only if you pay cash...credit is usually almost the same price as taxed stations
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#1207249 --- 08/11/10 02:17 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: s2hphoto.com]
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but do really think Paterson will shut that *cash cow* down??


the county can if property taxes are not paid
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#1207892 --- 08/13/10 01:20 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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"This has been a problem for 30-years and what we think we're going to do is look at our department of taxation in terms of creating a way in which those who do business with those entities will not get, in other words, cooperation from New York state. Because it's killing our small businesses ," Governor Paterson said.





Paterson is it not you KILLING small businesses

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#1209444 --- 08/19/10 10:58 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Cuomo Says He Will Enforce Tax Laws
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#1209453 --- 08/19/10 11:13 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: s2hphoto.com]
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The New York Oneida tribe owns outright 17,000 acres, having bought parcels on the open market since the early 1990s


all with ILLEGAL money

state/county can seize it
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#1210867 --- 08/23/10 01:49 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: s2hphoto.com]
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Also I could care less about their Sav-On gas stations because they are only 2-3 cents cheaper and that is only if you pay cash...credit is usually almost the same price as taxed stations


just refuse to pay their "sales tax"
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#1214611 --- 09/03/10 11:51 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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"This has been a problem for 30-years and what we think we're going to do is look at our department of taxation in terms of creating a way in which those who do business with those entities will not get, in other words, cooperation from New York state. Because it's killing our small businesses ," Governor Paterson said.


get it done
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#1217824 --- 09/14/10 03:59 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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court rules tribes must pay taxes
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#1218152 --- 09/15/10 08:50 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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State Sen. Martin Golden, a Brooklyn Republican and a member of the committee on investigations and government operations, said during Tuesday's hearing that the time for negotiating is over. He said he favors a "drop dead" date, to start charging the tax whether the tribes agreed to it or not.

Wagging his finger at Indians in the audience, he said the U.S. victory over the British during the Revolutionary War gave the government the right to tax its citizens, and he suggested that the tribes benefited from state health, education and public works programs and should therefore be required to pay the same taxes.

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#1222208 --- 09/29/10 01:42 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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WAMPSVILLE -- Madison County Attorney John Campanie briefed the Board of Supervisor's Native American Affairs Committee Tuesday on the latest court activity in cases against the Oneida Indian Nation.

Among the multiple cases the county has filed against the Nation, it is also keeping tabs on litigation over the state’s implementation on cigarette tax. Campanie reported that the Nation will be seen in court Friday in the injunction case. According to Campanie the state has requested that the Oneida’s and similar tribal lawsuits be consolidated.

In the county’s land claim case against the Nation, the county is waiting for a response from the federal government. After the second circuit court ruled in favor of the county, the Nation and federal government were given the opportunity to appeal the case. Both have requested a time extension that will last until Oct. 22. Campanie said they can seek to have the second circuit court of appeals hear the case again or make an application to the Supreme Court to hear the case.

In the county’s foreclosure case, Campanie said a decision on its Supreme Court petition could be made as soon as Oct. 8. Campanie said previous foreclosure cases, like Sherrill and Cayuga have established the second circuit court as a “well respected panel.”

“The work that we have been doing for a decade now has resulted in the dismissal of all the land claims pending,” he said.
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#1223939 --- 10/06/10 11:05 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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shut em down.....
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#1224164 --- 10/07/10 07:28 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Gov. Paterson threatens to nix Seneca Indians casino deal
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Thursday, October 7th 2010, 4:00 AM

B. Smith for NewsGov. David Paterson Related NewsQuit betting on the nagEditorial: On the wrong trackOff-Track Betting pink slips 1,300 workersPaterson sees new Aqueduct racino plan within one monthBad bet for New YorkWhat are they hiding?Gov. Paterson is threatening to spike the deal that allows the Seneca Indians to operate three casinos - because the tribe is withholding payments to the state.

In a letter to Seneca President Barry Snyder, Paterson's top lawyer, Peter Kiernan, said the Senecas owe $105.5 million from 2009 and $109 million for 2010.

The letter requests a meeting within 14 days to negotiate a solution.

"Otherwise," the letter said, "... the state will commence arbitration and seek a finding of material breach."
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#1224591 --- 10/08/10 05:56 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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"Otherwise," the letter said, "... the state will commence arbitration and seek a finding of material breach."

Good...cut the State out of the equation totally and allow the Seneca's to keep ALL the profit.... the only thing they will lose is their liquor license if the state pulls out LOL

P.S. The *supposed* "illegal casino"(turning stone) is STILL open ;\)
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#1224622 --- 10/08/10 09:17 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: s2hphoto.com]
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NYS just needs to change the law
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#1224635 --- 10/08/10 10:05 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Gov. Paterson threatens to nix Seneca Indians casino deal
News Wire Services

Thursday, October 7th 2010, 4:00 AM

B. Smith for NewsGov. David Paterson Related NewsQuit betting on the nagEditorial: On the wrong trackOff-Track Betting pink slips 1,300 workersPaterson sees new Aqueduct racino plan within one monthBad bet for New YorkWhat are they hiding?Gov. Paterson is threatening to spike the deal that allows the Seneca Indians to operate three casinos - because the tribe is withholding payments to the state.

In a letter to Seneca President Barry Snyder, Paterson's top lawyer, Peter Kiernan, said the Senecas owe $105.5 million from 2009 and $109 million for 2010.

The letter requests a meeting within 14 days to negotiate a solution.

"Otherwise," the letter said, "... the state will commence arbitration and seek a finding of material breach."
:) Must be this information was forgotten: A letter was sent to the governor, 2 years ago,saying that the state had VIOLATED (broken) the exclusivity clause in their gambling compact by putting slot machines,at the racino,and a game called Moxie Mania in the bars. The state was informed that it jeopardized the states ability to receive state contribution payments. Always 2 sides to the story. Now another legal battle will begin,costing the states another ton of taxpayers money. OTOH,keeping the politicians,and lawyers employed.P.S. The treatys say the nations can not sell alcohol The casino has a subcontractor,whom is licensed by the state.
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#1224637 --- 10/08/10 10:09 AM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: skipper68]
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do you have the exact wording in the compact?
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#1224669 --- 10/08/10 01:16 PM Re: $150 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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The article you quoted had that information published with it. It wasn't quoted tho. Thought the whole article should be in. links http://www.bia.gov//FAQs/index.htm - -The link will tell you why the tribes are granted the status they are. While your there,you can wander and find the upgraded recognition of the Seneca/Cayugas. Their is a second "digital" link to the treaties on the page. second link has the treaties. Hopefully,this will educate others who have all these questions,that have been asked for the past decade.
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