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#1153792 --- 03/01/10 07:55 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: Ringold]
C.I.Brown Offline
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I think our full-time recreation director, Dan Doyle, could be put to use here. Our 40 hour a week director could write tickets at the boat launch site. What else does he have to do?

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#1153795 --- 03/01/10 08:00 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: C.I.Brown]
Ringold Offline
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Originally Posted By: C.I.Brown
I think our full-time recreation director, Dan Doyle, could be put to use here. Our 40 hour a week director could write tickets at the boat launch in their right mind wants to work weekends?Not me.[quote=C.I.Brown]I think our full-time recreation director, Dan Doyle, could be put to use here. Our 40 hour a week director could write tickets at the boat launch site. What else does he have to do?

Good point but who wants to work weekends?

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#1153798 --- 03/01/10 08:10 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: Ringold]
C.I.Brown Offline
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He could work weekends if it is part of the 40 hours a week that he owes the taxpayers.

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#1153810 --- 03/01/10 08:53 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: Love PY]
pystew Offline
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Loc: Beautiful Penn Yan
Originally Posted By: Love PY
Originally Posted By: pystew
Samuel,
You will still be able to park your car, resident or non-resident, at the boat launch site with no charge. The permit is for non-residents who park their boat trailers. It is not uncommon to have vacationers come on Saturday, launch their boat, and not come back to the Launch Site until the next Friday to pick up their boat.

This is a Village owned Launch site. We welcome others to use it and enjoy the lake, but the 5000 people of Penn Yan should not be footing the whole bill. Doing research the price we were talking about last year($5 a day or $25 a year) is pretty reasonable.
What costs are associated with the boat launch site? Also, are the people who own cottages on the lake considered residence. Given the significant amount of money they pay in taxes is it fair to charge them? Just curious.


A resident is pretty well defined. The term should be "permanent resident". A seasonal cottage owner, whose cottage is outside of the Village doesn't pay Village Tax. Milo, Jerusalem, or even Barrington gets their tax money, not the Village.
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#1153823 --- 03/01/10 10:11 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: pystew]
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Good point "Stew", For the previous poster who asked, the Village cannot charge anyone to launch their boat. It is all about a fee for parking their boat trailer at the site. Everyplace I go at the ocean or launch sites in Florida there are pay stations for people to pay to park their cars and or trailers. PY spends money to keep up the grounds. They certainly should recoup some income.
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#1153855 --- 03/02/10 05:17 AM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: Mean Gene]
Ringold Offline
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Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Good point "Stew", For the previous poster who asked, the Village cannot charge anyone to launch their boat. It is all about a fee for parking their boat trailer at the site. Everyplace I go at the ocean or launch sites in Florida there are pay stations for people to pay to park their cars and or trailers. PY spends money to keep up the grounds. They certainly should recoup some income.
OK, thanks Gene. I wasn't sure if it was a launch fee or what.

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#1153861 --- 03/02/10 05:30 AM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: Mean Gene]
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Registered: 08/15/08
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Loc: Penn Yan
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Good point "Stew", For the previous poster who asked, the Village cannot charge anyone to launch their boat. It is all about a fee for parking their boat trailer at the site. Everyplace I go at the ocean or launch sites in Florida there are pay stations for people to pay to park their cars and or trailers. PY spends money to keep up the grounds. They certainly should recoup some income.


How much does it cost to keep up a pot holed dirt parking lot? Let them launch. Besides, the piranhas county boat will give them a ticket before they ever get out of the mouth of the outlet. There's your cash cow.
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#1153918 --- 03/02/10 08:32 AM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: dummy2]
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There is a comfort station there, tennis courts and the outlet trail goes thru there. Maybe if the Village was getting some income they could afford to redo that parking lot. As far as the boat patrol, any income from that goes to the county, not the village. The Village should take it one step further and charge non-residents to park at Red jacket and Indian Pines park. They plow Indian Pines in the winter. That lot is usually full of ice fishermans cars.
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#1153924 --- 03/02/10 08:42 AM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: Mean Gene]
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Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
There is a comfort station there, tennis courts and the outlet trail goes thru there. Maybe if the Village was getting some income they could afford to redo that parking lot. As far as the boat patrol, any income from that goes to the county, not the village. The Village should take it one step further and charge non-residents to park at Red jacket and Indian Pines park. They plow Indian Pines in the winter. That lot is usually full of ice fishermans cars.


Yeah, I know the county gets the money. I was being a dummy. But what expense is there to the boat launch site the way it is now. They grade the parking lot and....that's about it. I suppose the village will vote as they wish, but why not WELCOME people to be in Penn Yan? They spend money while they are here. Just my thoughts.
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#1153997 --- 03/02/10 11:18 AM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: dummy2]
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why not put coin slots on the slides and monkey bars too so we can get every last cent out of anyone that uses the public parks

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#1154016 --- 03/02/10 11:46 AM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: lakekeuka28]
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Loc: Penn Yan
Originally Posted By: lakekeuka28
why not put coin slots on the slides and monkey bars too so we can get every last cent out of anyone that uses the public parks


You know they can do that now. Just look at Kershaw Park in Canandaigua. Pretty soon they will plant some fast growing poplar trees to block the view, then charge people for a peek through the leaves.
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#1154069 --- 03/02/10 02:06 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: dummy2]
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And while were at it, why don't we charge every snowmobile that uses the Outlet Trail. And if you really want to make money, charge every car that parks at the Little League Field for baseball, football and any other event.

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#1154077 --- 03/02/10 02:34 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: C.I.Brown]
Samuel Offline
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Loc: Potter, NY
You'll never catch the snomobiles!!!

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#1154225 --- 03/02/10 07:20 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: Mean Gene]
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Yeah real smart. Just drive everybody away. I think the non-residents pay enough in sales tax while they are hear. If it weren't for the Taj Mahal court house and village offices the county and village wouldn't be in the shape they are. Put the village employees on a 10 hr. 4 day workweek instead of the stupid 4.5 day workweek. That was one of the stupidest things this village has ever done. Where's the savings you still are running the vehicles for 5 days. Going from a Chevy Impala to a Dodge Durango for the police department that saved a lot in gas didn't it? There are a lot of savings that could be had if you look hard enough.

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#1154245 --- 03/02/10 08:28 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: big guy 2]
Wayne Davidson Offline
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Registered: 01/04/10
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Loc: Penn Yan
One of the attribute of a good trustee is that they should deal in facts not fantasy.

Just about everyone I have talked to in this campaign wants to lower the village taxes and I want to lower the village taxes.

However, the reality is that making a significant cut in taxes is only possible by either expanding the tax base and thereby reducing the tax rate for the individual taxpayer or eliminating services. As many of you know, just about everybody has a favorite service that should be eliminated. The problem is that it is very difficult to get the majority of voters to agree on any one service to eliminate.

As of January 12, 2010, the 2009/2010 village budget for the village police department was approximately $1,163,000. This total is made up of police personal services, police department supplies and vehicle costs, health and workman’s comp insurance. Obviously, eliminating the police department would go far toward reducing taxes. However, should the village board even suggest that village police department be eliminated, more than likely, the majority of the village taxpayers would be against it.

The village budget for the fire department was approximately $386,000. This is made up of fire department supplies, equipment and vehicle maintenance and serial bond payments for trucks and the firehouse. Obviously you cannot even consider eliminating the fire department. That would leave the village without fire protection and without a village fire department and fire insurance rates would skyrocket.

The remainder of the budget is made up of mundane things like street maintenance, street lighting, village court, village clerk and staff, village attorney, village owned buildings, health & workman’s comp insurance for village employees, parks and playgrounds, cemetery and a few other small departments with minimal budgets. I do not see anything here that the majority of voters would be in favor of eliminating.

Consequently, the tax cuts that can be made by village trustees, without approval of the voters, would not result in a major reduction of village taxes. However, it is incumbent on the village trustees to eliminate wasteful spending and eliminating those items in the budget that are not absolutely necessary to efficiently run the village.

The mayor and village trustees can have a significant impact on expanding the tax base by enacting those policies and procedures that encourage economic development and forging partnerships with the county legislature and town boards to oversee development of not only Penn Yan, but also the rest of the county while minimizing the negative impacts of development.

If I am elected and you disagree with my assessment or have a suggestion that would reduce taxes let me know. I will listen, but I only listen to those who are willing to stand-up and state their name. Anonymous statements or complaints are not conducive to solving problems or exchanging ideas.

For those who wish to offer their recommendations or suggestions, my e-mail address is waynefdavidson@gmail.com.

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#1154295 --- 03/02/10 09:42 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: big guy 2]
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Originally Posted By: big guy 2
Yeah real smart. Just drive everybody away. I think the non-residents pay enough in sales tax while they are hear. If it weren't for the Taj Mahal court house and village offices the county and village wouldn't be in the shape they are. Put the village employees on a 10 hr. 4 day workweek instead of the stupid 4.5 day workweek. That was one of the stupidest things this village has ever done. Where's the savings you still are running the vehicles for 5 days. Going from a Chevy Impala to a Dodge Durango for the police department that saved a lot in gas didn't it? There are a lot of savings that could be had if you look hard enough.


(A) It has been explained that the only people who will pay at the boat launch are non-residents who park their trailers. You make it sound like everyone who parks will have to pay. Summer renters use the boat launch site for a parking lot. They park their trailers there for a week.

(B) The Village does not get any sales tax---the County does--and they won't share it.

(C) I'm confused. Who works a 4.5 day workweek? I agree that a ten hour 4 day work week can be a viable option.

Wayne, Right On !!!!

Today I received my Milo's Assessment Notification---probably most people received theirs today, or will soon. It reminded me that my County Tax was less than half of my Village Tax! Less than 1/2.

My assessment remained the same.

I realize that there are big problems with the PY School Budget. There will probably be a large numbers of staff cuts. The school's budget is voted on by the residents. The Village's budget does not need to be approved by the voters. I am realistic enough not to expect lower village taxes, but since my assessment didn't increase, if the village tax rate doesn't increase, my village tax won't increase. Let's hope the Trustees realize this.
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#1154298 --- 03/02/10 09:50 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: McLovin']
big guy 2 Offline
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Remember last summer when somebody proposed a 4 day work week but the village street super said they would make to much noise early in the morning so they decided to work 4.5 days a week. No cost savings because you are using the vehicles for 5 days instead of 4 plus all the other costs for 5 days instead of 4. Four ten hour days is a lot more efficient.

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#1154304 --- 03/02/10 10:23 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: big guy 2]
McLovin' Offline
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So the Street Crew works 36 hours a week? Is it Friday they are only working 4 hours? Are you sure? That would save the Village money! Is it only the street crew, or do the other crews work 36 hours a week?
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#1154306 --- 03/02/10 10:26 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: McLovin']
lakekeuka28 Offline
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Registered: 01/21/10
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Loc: NY
nope they work 40 hours a week

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#1154417 --- 03/03/10 08:10 AM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: big guy 2]
pystew Offline
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Registered: 12/11/06
Posts: 359
Loc: Beautiful Penn Yan
Originally Posted By: big guy 2
Remember last summer when somebody proposed a 4 day work week but the village street super said they would make to much noise early in the morning so they decided to work 4.5 days a week. No cost savings because you are using the vehicles for 5 days instead of 4 plus all the other costs for 5 days instead of 4. Four ten hour days is a lot more efficient.


As I remember it, a couple of years ago, Street Supervisor Randy Jensen brought up that it was difficult to work on street projects Friday afternoons in the summer time because of the traffic in the village, and proposed different possibilities of summer hours (I believe the County Crews,and Milo Highway crew, have different hours in the summer.) To have a change, the CSEA (Union) has to agree, but they didn't.

Presently the Water Treatment Plant crew works four 10 hour days. The water crew has four members. Two members work Monday-Thursday, the other two work Thursday-Sunday. Yes, both crews work on Thursday. Meetings and Projects that need all four members are scheduled for Thursdays. This started last summer, and we have seen a reduction in overtime.

I believe the rest of the crews work five 8 hour days.


Edited by pystew (03/03/10 12:08 PM)
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