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#1152886 --- 02/27/10 07:55 PM Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate?
McLovin' Offline
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We always hear, "I'm going to vote for the best candidate."

What's the criteria for a good trustee?

I'll start--->Able to devote a good amount of time into the job. Time to prepare for, and go to, meetings.
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#1152932 --- 02/27/10 10:26 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate? [Re: McLovin']
Mean Gene Offline
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be an independent thinker, don't just go with what the Mayor and Village Attorney puts in front of you for a signature.
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#1152933 --- 02/27/10 10:31 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate? [Re: Mean Gene]
Mean Gene Offline
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BTW does anyone know if the Village Attorney ever drew up a proposed village ordinance for a parking fee for boat trailers at the boat launch site? There was at least one board motion, possibly two to get that done within the last couple of years. It was suppose to be for non-village residents.
There are thousands of dollars a year slipping away in parking fees that could be collected.
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#1152958 --- 02/28/10 05:22 AM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate? [Re: Mean Gene]
Wayne Davidson Offline
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Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
BTW does anyone know if the Village Attorney ever drew up a proposed village ordinance for a parking fee for boat trailers at the boat launch site? There was at least one board motion, possibly two to get that done within the last couple of years. It was suppose to be for non-village residents.
There are thousands of dollars a year slipping away in parking fees that could be collected.


Not yet

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#1153019 --- 02/28/10 07:53 AM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: Wayne Davidson]
pystew Offline
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Originally Posted By: Wayne Davidson
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
BTW does anyone know if the Village Attorney ever drew up a proposed village ordinance for a parking fee for boat trailers at the boat launch site? There was at least one board motion, possibly two to get that done within the last couple of years. It was suppose to be for non-village residents.
There are thousands of dollars a year slipping away in parking fees that could be collected.


Not yet


Last May when we seemed close to voting on the parking fees, the Attorney informed the Board that we would have to change the law to authorize us to charge those fees. The May Board Minutes said
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... Atty.
Brockman would draft up a local law and he feels the Village would be able to start charging until at least August.

I asked about it at the October meeting when some people announced there would be two fishing derbies held at the Boat Launch next summer. I must have taken D'Abbracci by surprised, when he
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explained they are still reviewing it and will be working on this during the winter.


I brought it back up in January and February. I hope this does get rolling because I agree with you about getting the money from non py residents. The goal in May was to get the law passed so we could get in going by last August, I hope that we can get the law passed and this started by Memorial Day.

You can read the complete minutes of this topic be going to the Village Website, http://www.villageofpennyan.com and read the minutes from April, May, October, 2009 and January 2010. February's minutes are not posted yet.
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#1153020 --- 02/28/10 08:01 AM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: pystew]
Mean Gene Offline
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Good luck getting that in motion, the first time it was brought up, long before what you mentioned, the Village Attorney told me that I needed to come up with a way to "enforce" it. I told him to write the ordinance and the police department would figure out how we were going to "police" it. Dan Doyle & I had researched fees at the State Park and had come up with a reasonable permit fee structure and "fines" for not buying a permit. I had forwarded pics to Dan from down in Florida on how they used "pay stations" for parking.
This issue has been "hanging" out there for about three years now. Someone needs to "take the bull by the horns" and git er done! \:\)
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#1153032 --- 02/28/10 08:24 AM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: Mean Gene]
pystew Offline
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I knew someone who was in Florida sent some pictures. I asked Hoban and he had no idea what I was talking about. That is why I was surprised when they said that they were still reviewing it. I really thought we were ready to vote on it in last May.
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#1153294 --- 02/28/10 06:34 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: McLovin']
Love PY Offline
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Originally Posted By: McLovin'
We always hear, "I'm going to vote for the best candidate."

What's the criteria for a good trustee?

I'll start--->Able to devote a good amount of time into the job. Time to prepare for, and go to, meetings.
Even temperment, Oops, you're out Mad Mike.
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#1153628 --- 03/01/10 12:30 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: Love PY]
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My Chrismas wish for a good trustee would be someone who is able to put himself in the shoes of the constituents. He would take time to make informed decisions on behalf of the constutuents, and not just his small circle of friends. For instance, at the last board meeting, discussion was on adding a trainee electrical groundsman position for someone who is going to retire in 3-4 years. Discussion centered around hiring him now or in the very near future and to pay full-time salary and benefits so that there is a smooth transition in 3-4 years when the current guy retires. So in effect, we would be paying two guys to do the work of one. Who in their right mind would train someone for 3-4 years at full-time salary and benefits? And I suppose he would be entitled to the obligatory annual 3 percent raise.

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#1153644 --- 03/01/10 01:06 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: C.I.Brown]
Wayne Davidson Offline
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Originally Posted By: C.I.Brown
My Chrismas wish for a good trustee would be someone who is able to put himself in the shoes of the constituents. He would take time to make informed decisions on behalf of the constutuents, and not just his small circle of friends. For instance, at the last board meeting, discussion was on adding a trainee electrical groundsman position for someone who is going to retire in 3-4 years. Discussion centered around hiring him now or in the very near future and to pay full-time salary and benefits so that there is a smooth transition in 3-4 years when the current guy retires. So in effect, we would be paying two guys to do the work of one. Who in their right mind would train someone for 3-4 years at full-time salary and benefits? And I suppose he would be entitled to the obligatory annual 3 percent raise.


Re the discussion on adding a trainee, I agree 100% with C.I. Brown. I personally would not vote to hire any village or MUB replacement three years in advance.

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#1153732 --- 03/01/10 05:28 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: Wayne Davidson]
Mean Gene Offline
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Would you vote to hire a convicted felon to work at MUB?
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#1153736 --- 03/01/10 05:40 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: Wayne Davidson]
scottm207 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Wayne Davidson
Originally Posted By: C.I.Brown
My Chrismas wish for a good trustee would be someone who is able to put himself in the shoes of the constituents. He would take time to make informed decisions on behalf of the constutuents, and not just his small circle of friends. For instance, at the last board meeting, discussion was on adding a trainee electrical groundsman position for someone who is going to retire in 3-4 years. Discussion centered around hiring him now or in the very near future and to pay full-time salary and benefits so that there is a smooth transition in 3-4 years when the current guy retires. So in effect, we would be paying two guys to do the work of one. Who in their right mind would train someone for 3-4 years at full-time salary and benefits? And I suppose he would be entitled to the obligatory annual 3 percent raise.


Re the discussion on adding a trainee, I agree 100% with C.I. Brown. I personally would not vote to hire any village or MUB replacement three years in advance.


A lot of "apprenticeship" programs are that long in length, that's not uncommon. You might be able to compress it to two years, maybe not. I realize that there is a desire to not pay for more people than are truly needed. But too many times, not enough time is allotted to train a replacement for someone that will be retiring.

Historical knowledge of a job is often priceless and if the new replacement does not have the skills or experience when the retirement occurs, you will be left paying for expensive outside contractors or accident claims. That needs to be considered when making this decision.

Something to keep in mind, in my opinion.
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#1153740 --- 03/01/10 05:44 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: Mean Gene]
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Can anyone (Gene?) comment on the method of enforcement? I had heard that tickets would be written and put on all windshields at the boat launch and it was up to the PY village residents to go to court and spend their personal time to "prove" their residency and get the ticket dismissed. What a waste of people's (and the Court's) time. Please say it ain't so.

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#1153751 --- 03/01/10 06:17 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: Ringold]
Mean Gene Offline
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Ringold--no validity to that rumor that tickets would be issues as stated above. The truth of the matter is NOTHING will happen until the Village attorney writes section of applicable law regarding permits for non village residents and fines for failure to buy a parking permit for non residents. A simple process would be for the Village to invest in a "pay station" (expensive up front cost) that a non-resident would insert either cash or a credit card to buy parking time for their trailer at the launch site. It was discussed that Village residents or people who owned property in the Village could go to the Village office and obtain a free permit by showing proof of residency each year.
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#1153754 --- 03/01/10 06:29 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: Mean Gene]
Samuel Offline
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Why does anything need to be changed there? I have never seen a problem with random cars parked and left there. There are so few places to launch a boat anymore. Just let it be.

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#1153764 --- 03/01/10 07:06 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: Samuel]
pystew Offline
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Samuel,
You will still be able to park your car, resident or non-resident, at the boat launch site with no charge. The permit is for non-residents who park their boat trailers. It is not uncommon to have vacationers come on Saturday, launch their boat, and not come back to the Launch Site until the next Friday to pick up their boat.

This is a Village owned Launch site. We welcome others to use it and enjoy the lake, but the 5000 people of Penn Yan should not be footing the whole bill. Doing research the price we were talking about last year($5 a day or $25 a year) is pretty reasonable.
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#1153766 --- 03/01/10 07:15 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: pystew]
Love PY Offline
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Originally Posted By: pystew
Samuel,
You will still be able to park your car, resident or non-resident, at the boat launch site with no charge. The permit is for non-residents who park their boat trailers. It is not uncommon to have vacationers come on Saturday, launch their boat, and not come back to the Launch Site until the next Friday to pick up their boat.

This is a Village owned Launch site. We welcome others to use it and enjoy the lake, but the 5000 people of Penn Yan should not be footing the whole bill. Doing research the price we were talking about last year($5 a day or $25 a year) is pretty reasonable.
What costs are associated with the boat launch site? Also, are the people who own cottages on the lake considered residence. Given the significant amount of money they pay in taxes is it fair to charge them? Just curious.
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#1153768 --- 03/01/10 07:17 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: Mean Gene]
Love PY Offline
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Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Would you vote to hire a convicted felon to work at MUB?
Too late the MUB alread has one. Wasn't he convicted twice on felony charges. Wasn't one involving a brawl at a concert in Buffalo with police?

Also, didn't Mad Mike know he was a felon when he got hired?

How'd he get into the club?


Edited by Love PY (03/01/10 07:17 PM)
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#1153769 --- 03/01/10 07:17 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: pystew]
Samuel Offline
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Originally Posted By: pystew
Samuel,
You will still be able to park your car, resident or non-resident, at the boat launch site with no charge. The permit is for non-residents who park their boat trailers. It is not uncommon to have vacationers come on Saturday, launch their boat, and not come back to the Launch Site until the next Friday to pick up their boat.

This is a Village owned Launch site. We welcome others to use it and enjoy the lake, but the 5000 people of Penn Yan should not be footing the whole bill. Doing research the price we were talking about last year($5 a day or $25 a year) is pretty reasonable.


Thanks for the info. pystew. I'll first say that it's PY business so basically it does not effect me in the least. But I think it will cost more to create an ordinance, print out permits and enforce it than you would ever make in fees to non-residents. I have never seen more than 3-4 boat trailers there at a time if any at all.

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#1153782 --- 03/01/10 07:41 PM Re: Qualities of a good Village Trustee Candidate [Re: Mean Gene]
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Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Ringold--no validity to that rumor that tickets would be issues as stated above. The truth of the matter is NOTHING will happen until the Village attorney writes section of applicable law regarding permits for non village residents and fines for failure to buy a parking permit for non residents. A simple process would be for the Village to invest in a "pay station" (expensive up front cost) that a non-resident would insert either cash or a credit card to buy parking time for their trailer at the launch site. It was discussed that Village residents or people who owned property in the Village could go to the Village office and obtain a free permit by showing proof of residency each year.


Thanks MG. That would have been a terrible idea. Now, does this potential local law involve fees for launching/site use or is it intended for those that launch and leave their trailers there for more than a day or two?

If it's for daily use/launching fees, then there could be some serious revenue potential on the weekends with the fishing derbies and the pleasure craft. As you are aware, on some weekends there isn't a spot to be had and they're parked all the way up the driveway to Keuka St.

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