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#1149598 --- 02/20/10 04:32 PM Re: Fire [Re: bluezone]
BJ Radford Offline
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
is it out and did you thank the brave firefighters for risking their lives


It was out long before the firemen got there so no lives risked. We always thank them.

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#1149600 --- 02/20/10 04:34 PM Re: Fire [Re: BJ Radford]
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Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
It was out long before the firemen got there so no lives risked.


firemen put their lives at risk just reponding to a fire
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#1149603 --- 02/20/10 04:47 PM Re: Fire [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
It was out long before the firemen got there so no lives risked.


firemen put their lives at risk just reponding to a fire


agreed

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#1149604 --- 02/20/10 04:48 PM Re: Fire [Re: BJ Radford]
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Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Originally Posted By: bluezone
one refuses to pay their share but expects all the benefits


The property taxes are paid on LakeSide Trading.


should the firefigthers respond to the properties that the taxes are not paid?
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#1149608 --- 02/20/10 04:52 PM Re: Fire [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Originally Posted By: bluezone
one refuses to pay their share but expects all the benefits


The property taxes are paid on LakeSide Trading.


should the firefigthers respond to the properties that the taxes are not paid?


My opinion is absolutely. Just as they would if a property's taxes were delinquent. Just as they would if a property was exempt from property taxes (i.e. a church). Certainly I have not talked to EVERY firefighter but the ones I have always say they feel it is their responsibility to respond to fires. A responsibility they take seriously, thankfully for the rest of us.

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#1149609 --- 02/20/10 04:56 PM Re: Fire [Re: BJ Radford]
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Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
A responsibility they take seriously, thankfully for the rest of us.


while others dodge their responsiblities
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#1149619 --- 02/20/10 05:09 PM Re: Fire [Re: BJ Radford]
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Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
My opinion is absolutely.


then we should start sending fire units over to canada and mexico

send out the tribal fire units to those off the "reservation"
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#1149636 --- 02/20/10 05:43 PM Re: Fire [Re: BJ Radford]
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Just a thought, if all property were exempt who would pay for the equipment the firemen used when they responded?

Thank you's, do not buy a fire truck, boots, turn out gear, maintain hydrants, a pressurized water suppply plus fund the other costs, they are supported through taxation of property within a given fire district.

Comparing a church exemption to the Cayuga situation? Mmmmmmmm.



Edited by grinch (02/20/10 05:48 PM)

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#1149800 --- 02/20/10 10:10 PM Re: Fire [Re: BJ Radford]
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Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Originally Posted By: queenbee
Well I guess that means they have to respond , but I guess a slow response could be considered helpful at some point.


The fact that you think an intentional slow response to a fire, under any circumstances, is acceptable speaks volumes.

And do you really think I care about what your opinion of me is?? Hahahaha not on my worst day.
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#1149939 --- 02/21/10 07:27 AM Re: Fire [Re: BJ Radford]
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Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Just as they would if a property's taxes were delinquent. Just as they would if a property was exempt from property taxes (i.e. a church).


are these properties "claiming" to be their own "nation"
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#1149977 --- 02/21/10 08:15 AM Re: Fire [Re: queenbee]
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Originally Posted By: queenbee
Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Originally Posted By: queenbee
Well I guess that means they have to respond , but I guess a slow response could be considered helpful at some point.


The fact that you think an intentional slow response to a fire, under any circumstances, is acceptable speaks volumes.

And do you really think I care about what your opinion of me is?? Hahahaha not on my worst day.



as long as the tribe doesn't have to pay their share BJR is happy
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#1150006 --- 02/21/10 09:10 AM Re: Fire [Re: bluezone]
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Slow response, never, should not happen.

However if they do respond to fires on tax exempt propeties who do not pay taxes then a BILL should follow covering the expense for the turnout.

Most have property and fire insurance which is rated for community response from a tax supported fire department. Let the premiums for such policies reflect they will have to pay for fire fighting as part of their policy as they are tax exempt. That is virtually how fire insurance companies began in the first place. The premiums supported a fire company who would respond to those properties that were insured.

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#1150032 --- 02/21/10 09:44 AM Re: Fire [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
My opinion is absolutely.


then we should start sending fire units over to canada and mexico

send out the tribal fire units to those off the "reservation"

This already happens with Canada and Mexico. And, if memory serves, there were firefighters from Mexico at the WTC after 9/11.

I'm willing to bet that if you go to some of the larger reservations out west (and a few here in the east) that you will find reciprocating agreements between the reservation and the surrounding communities about fire protection. My dad lives about 5 miles from the Pequot reservation (and casino) in CT, and they have a very nice firehouse there. I'm willing to bet that there are agreements in place with Stonington.
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#1150150 --- 02/21/10 02:19 PM Re: Fire [Re: Josephus]
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The Casino, multi-story hotel and reservation five miles from Oldbroad in Cabazon, CA has their own fire dept with a nice new fire trunck capable of fighting high rise fires. They have their own security and police force. They are good neigbors to the community making many charitable donations of food and money through out the year. They also collect and remit sales taxes at their gas station/convenience store.If you don't have a tribal ID card you must pay taxes on all purchase.Those are the true facts of how they prove they are good neighbors.
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#1150151 --- 02/21/10 02:23 PM Re: Fire [Re: SilverFox]
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Do you know if they have a reciprocating agreement with other communities in their area regarding firefighting?

I like the fact that they remit sales tax, and require their members to present ID cards for non-tax. It would be nice if the Cayugas were like that...
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#1150168 --- 02/21/10 03:07 PM Re: Fire [Re: Josephus]
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I am not sure what agreements they have. I do know that OB has said that the local fire dept and police can not enter the reservation without permission. If I remember correctly the reservation fire dept. has helped fight wild fires in the area.

I also know they give Turkeys and all the things that go with a Thanksgiving dinner to the local Moose Club for a free community Thanksgiving dinner. The Moose members cook and serve the Turkey dinners to anyone that comes through the door free of charge.

No problem with taxes at their businesses. No tribal ID you pay tax no exceptions.
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#1150170 --- 02/21/10 03:12 PM Re: Fire [Re: SilverFox]
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Originally Posted By: SilverFox

No problem with taxes at their businesses. No tribal ID you pay tax no exceptions.

I'm going to guess that if the Cayugas operated like this, they would have far fewer problems with their neighbors. I'm also guessing that the Cayugas insist upon a tax free status because they have no casino... or at least not one that would rival Turning Stone. Tax free cigs and gas is therefore their mainstay.
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#1150181 --- 02/21/10 03:45 PM Re: Fire [Re: Josephus]
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Sad part is they could probably collect the sales tax on their own brands and still be cheaper than other places that sell brand name cigarettes and still have an advantage.
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#1150184 --- 02/21/10 03:51 PM Re: Fire [Re: Josephus]
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Originally Posted By: Josephus
I'm willing to bet that if you go to some of the larger reservations out west (and a few here in the east) that you will find reciprocating agreements between the reservation and the surrounding communities about fire protection.


The cayuga sold their reservation many moons ago. all NYS/county laws apply. Considering that the cayuga remove around $30 million a year out of the community that they could provide their own fire protection. Lets see if they explain to the judge why they rely on the county but refuse to pay their share of the sales taxes.
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#1150185 --- 02/21/10 03:53 PM Re: Fire [Re: Josephus]
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Originally Posted By: Josephus
I'm also guessing that the Cayugas insist upon a tax free status because they have no casino...


They tried a bingo hall but the county closed it
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