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#1139911 --- 01/29/10 04:43 PM Re: Dairy Farm in Cayuga targeted by animal rights [Re: redcowman]
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Now dont get mad, lets break this down maybe I will learn something. Aside from the hired hand who needs to be shot, other than that pick something.

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#1139913 --- 01/29/10 04:46 PM Re: Dairy Farm in Cayuga targeted by animal rights [Re: redcowman]
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Come on its a forum, Ill be nice

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#1140077 --- 01/29/10 10:47 PM Re: Dairy Farm in Cayuga targeted by animal rights [Re: redcowman]
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"#7 I believe you wrote "No need for people to be eating huge
steak and prime rib."

Your belief is correct. Now, are you going to answer AL's question?
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#1140155 --- 01/30/10 07:13 AM Re: Dairy Farm in Cayuga targeted by animal rights [Re: VM Smith]
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Sorry went to bed. The only question I see is how long it would take for the owner to step in. How am I to know? With 7000 head there has to be a vet there daily or close to it, you have milk inspector and why didnt the spy with the camera do anything? Hes got it on tape. Theres all the proof you need. Our was he too worried about his tape and not the animals. All Im saying you dont go shoot yourself in the foot. You dont go out and have to spend more money than you need to on vet bills. This was a younger heifer and even though the price of milk is way down these things are still very expensive. With a farm this size there should be a mgr. or foreman keeping tabs on the workers. There is not alot of money in farming. Its fast becoming one of those jobs that Americans dont want to do. Migrant workers are filling the spots more and more everyday and or the lower income classes that do have some sort to police record. (NOT ALL) spots but a good bunch of them. I hope I got the right question, if not let me know

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#1140237 --- 01/30/10 11:58 AM Re: Dairy Farm in Cayuga targeted by animal rights [Re: redcowman]
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If anyone wants to talk to them first hand (as I did) I have their phone number - PM me and I'd pass it on.
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#1140240 --- 01/30/10 12:14 PM Re: Dairy Farm in Cayuga targeted by animal rights [Re: Z Genius Lusifer]
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Willet Dairy LP
379 State Route 34
Locke, NY 13092-3224

(315) 497-0723‎

http://maps.google.com/maps/place?hl=en&...906844754876376
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#1140241 --- 01/30/10 12:17 PM Re: Dairy Farm in Cayuga targeted by animal rights [Re: kyle585]
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Oh yeah.....I got the phone number right into the milking barn...
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#1140320 --- 01/30/10 06:36 PM Re: Dairy Farm in Cayuga targeted by animal rights [Re: redcowman]
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Are you going to answer his question about where did he say anything about what people get to eat?
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#1140344 --- 01/30/10 07:16 PM Re: Dairy Farm in Cayuga targeted by animal rights [Re: kyle585]
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Willet Dairy LLC received payments totaling $1,252,366 from 1995 through 2006

http://farm.ewg.org/farm/persondetail.php?custnumber=010100160
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Willet Dairy LP
379 State Route 34
Locke, NY 13092-3224

(315) 497-0723‎

http://maps.google.com/maps/place?hl=en&...906844754876376

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#1140547 --- 01/31/10 07:22 AM Re: Dairy Farm in Cayuga targeted by animal rights [Re: tomwaits]
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Ok, I thought I did. I think what your looking for is in #7 if not, lets break it down. Tell me what you want to know and if I know, Ill try and answer

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#1140639 --- 01/31/10 11:34 AM Re: Dairy Farm in Cayuga targeted by animal rights [Re: VM Smith]
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
Are you going to answer his question about where did he say anything about what people get to eat?


I have no further comment at this time in regard to the actual discussion but once again I feel I need to let people know, I'm a she, not a he.

I know it really doesn't matter but I can't keep posting under an assumed identity of a male. I like being seen as a strong, opinionated female...because that's what I am. \:\)

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#1140705 --- 01/31/10 02:50 PM Re: Dairy Farm in Cayuga targeted by animal rights [Re: Animal Lover]
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Question:

Why do they drag the newly born calfs away from the mothers?

Wouldn't it be easier to have the mother feed the calf than the operation feed the newly born?
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#1140855 --- 01/31/10 06:34 PM Re: Dairy Farm in Cayuga targeted by animal rights [Re: Z Genius Lusifer]
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Originally Posted By: Z Genius Lusifer
Question:

Why do they drag the newly born calfs away from the mothers?

Wouldn't it be easier to have the mother feed the calf than the operation feed the newly born?
redcowman explained this in the third post.

Calves are taken away from their mothers so that the farmer can control what and when they eat also their health. Not all mother cows are nice when it comes time to tend to a sick calf. After the mother has the calf its her peak milk production time. After a few days shes ready to go. Way too much milk for a calf in dairy cows.

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#1140893 --- 01/31/10 07:36 PM Re: Dairy Farm in Cayuga targeted by animal rights [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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thanks. missed that one.
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#1140897 --- 01/31/10 07:43 PM Re: Dairy Farm in Cayuga targeted by animal rights [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Let me translate, the calf is dragged away so that the dairy gets the peak milk production, not the calf. Right?

Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: Z Genius Lusifer
Question:

Why do they drag the newly born calfs away from the mothers?

Wouldn't it be easier to have the mother feed the calf than the operation feed the newly born?
redcowman explained this in the third post.

Calves are taken away from their mothers so that the farmer can control what and when they eat also their health. Not all mother cows are nice when it comes time to tend to a sick calf. After the mother has the calf its her peak milk production time. After a few days shes ready to go. Way too much milk for a calf in dairy cows.
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#1140899 --- 01/31/10 07:52 PM Re: Dairy Farm in Cayuga targeted by animal rights [Re: all seeing eye]
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Either way, I don't like it at all.
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#1141082 --- 02/01/10 08:21 AM Re: Dairy Farm in Cayuga targeted by animal rights [Re: Z Genius Lusifer]
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OK, the calf is taken away from its mother for a couple of reasons. First yes, milk production. Before the calf is born the mother builts up whats called colostrom in her milk. This colostrom it vital to the calfs health, it jump starts its imune system. No colostrom, your just waiting for it to die. Colostrom is at its peak, prime, whatever, right when the calf is born and fades away after a few days. The calf MUST have this as soon as possible, ASAP. Some mothers are lazy and its done when she gets around to it or not done at all(mother nature.)The calves are taken away to insure the right amount is given. The cow is milked out and the calf is fed by the farmer. For the few days the milk is thrown away(left overs)till the colostrom is out of her system. Then she goes to milking full time shes at her peak. In dairy cows that is way too much milk for a calf now you get to deal with scours (diarrhea)Not pretty. The calf will actually sh-- itself to death. Dehydration more or less. So the calf is taken away for the health of the calf for the farmer to monitor its diet,water ,grain, health. Any health issues the farmer can deal with without momma standing there ready to kick his a--. The calf is dragged away because the calf can weight from 60+ to over 120+ lbs wet, slimey, slippery. You are going to drop it. They dont always hold still and the calves are flexible like babies. If you noticed the calving area is loaded with straw and the farmer is on the other side of the calf (calf in the middle) cow will not rush her own calf. Most of the time. If a calf is born premature as in the video and out in the free stall area you run the risk of an infection in the navel area or it getting stepped on. Farmers have records as to when each cow should calve and when it was bred along with a bunch of other stuff. Calves are VITAL to a farm its the entire future of that farm. Anything and everything is done to keep that calf alive. Also a calf that trusts people will be alot more gentle when dealing with people in the future. Per the heifer in the video that got smacked by the fool. If not worked with she turns into a wild child. You dont want that.

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#1141135 --- 02/01/10 10:22 AM Re: Dairy Farm in Cayuga targeted by animal rights [Re: redcowman]
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Well, I can understand some of that....

Maybe I am too much of an animal purist in wanting nature to take care of itself....

Seeing the babies dragged away by thier legs wasn't a pretty sight...

I really am rethinking ever ordering veal again....
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#1141149 --- 02/01/10 10:38 AM Re: Dairy Farm in Cayuga targeted by animal rights [Re: tomwaits]
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Originally Posted By: tomwaits
Willet Dairy LLC received payments totaling $1,252,366 from 1995 through 2006

http://farm.ewg.org/farm/persondetail.php?custnumber=010100160
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Willet Dairy LP
379 State Route 34
Locke, NY 13092-3224

(315) 497-0723‎

http://maps.google.com/maps/place?hl=en&...906844754876376


Just one of many farms that received LARGE sums of money during the last decade or two.
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#1141198 --- 02/01/10 11:49 AM Re: Dairy Farm in Cayuga targeted by animal rights [Re: Greymane]
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Originally Posted By: Greymane
Originally Posted By: tomwaits
Willet Dairy LLC received payments totaling $1,252,366 from 1995 through 2006

http://farm.ewg.org/farm/persondetail.php?custnumber=010100160
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Willet Dairy LP
379 State Route 34
Locke, NY 13092-3224

(315) 497-0723‎

http://maps.google.com/maps/place?hl=en&...906844754876376
Just one of many farms that received LARGE sums of money during the last decade or two.
True and I don't see why any of them should have received any tax dollars.
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