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#1133444 - 01/15/10 03:33 PM Re: Ticket Quotas in Auburn: Police Chief [Re: Jelloshot]
reilley
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http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/01/probe_launched_to_find_why_300.html


Probe launched to find why $30,000 to $75,000 is missing from Auburn PBA fund
By Scott Rapp / The Post-Standard
January 15, 2010, 5:00AM
The Cayuga County district attorney’s office is investigating the disappearance of tens of thousands of dollars from the Auburn Police Benevolent Association, five well-placed sources in Auburn Police Department said Thursday.

The money has been missing for some time and a private accountant recently hired by the PBA estimated that as much as $75,000 is unaccounted for, said the members of the department, who asked to remain anonymous. Another law enforcement official was more conservative. He put the missing money total at $30,000 to $35,000.

“The ... is going to hit the fan pretty soon,” one of the members of the police force said.

No one was arrested as of Thursday.

District Attorney Jon Budelmann said he could not talk about the case. “I can neither confirm nor deny we’re doing an active investigation,” he said.

PBA President Chris White echoed those words and Police Chief Gary Giannotta said his department is not conducting a criminal investigation. “I can not confirm or deny anything else,” Giannotta said.

However, all five members of the department confirmed this week that a large chunk of PBA money has disappeared. So much money was apparently taken over the years that PBA members have scheduled a vote next week to slice in half — from $2,000 to $1,000 — the social organization’s retirement bonus given to new police retirees, they said.

The PBA, which is comprised of most of the department’s police officers, replenishes the fund with yearly member dues, fundraising events and investment earnings. The PBA was left a large donation many years ago, the sources said, and has used money from the fund to stage social events, buy Christmas presents for the needy and give the retirement bonuses.

Here’s what else the police sources had to say about the missing money, audit and criminal investigation:

At a PBA meeting in November, White told members that their money had vanished and that the problem had gone undetected for a long time. Members then voted to hire an accountant to do a forensic investigation to determine how much money was missing. The audit cost several thousand dollars.

At that meeting members were also told that Budelmann’s office is investigating the apparent thievery. The PBA’s bank records were subpoenaed and a majority of the police sources said they heard Budelmann plans to present the case to a grand jury sometime soon.

Some sources also said that at least one and possibly two outside police agencies are conducting independent investigations.
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#1133446 - 01/15/10 03:36 PM Re: Ticket Quotas in Auburn: Police Chief [Re: reilley]
reilley
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Is this why they want APD to write more tickets? Not saying that 'they' took the money but gees ...someone did,and someone has to replace it.
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#1133447 - 01/15/10 03:38 PM Re: Ticket Quotas in Auburn: Police Chief [Re: newsman38]
Rich_Tallcot
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Response time depends on available personnel, their location and priorities. People have grown to take for granted that police will be available when called for. Anyone calling never stops to think they aren't the only one with a need. Cuts in expenses have resulted in many of the trooper stations being unmanned.

The odd part of this situation is, if the story gets talked about enough, people driving through Auburn are more likely to obey the laws resulting in less tickets being issued.

But I don't think I've ever driven through Auburn, including today, that I haven't seen someone that could have had a ticket issued to them. However, people watch for police cars and had I been driving one the situation would likely be different.

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#1133455 - 01/15/10 04:12 PM Re: Ticket Quotas in Auburn: Police Chief [Re: reilley]
Josephus
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I had to go to Auburn yesterday to go to the dentist. Then I went to Connie's on State Street for dinner before I drove home. Guess I was lucky to make it out of there without a traffic ticket...
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#1133480 - 01/15/10 05:02 PM Re: Ticket Quotas in Auburn: Police Chief [Re: reilley]
VM Smith
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Originally Posted By: reilley
Is this why they want APD to write more tickets? Not saying that 'they' took the money but gees ...someone did,and someone has to replace it.


Fines don't go to the PBA.
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#1133736 - 01/16/10 01:25 PM Re: Ticket Quotas in Auburn: Police Chief [Re: VM Smith]
fingerlakeshiker
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The city manager is a moron and the police chief has been chief for 14 yrs., time to retire and get some fresh blood.
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#1134475 - 01/18/10 05:44 PM Re: Ticket Quotas in Auburn: Police Chief [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
Dinky Dau
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Response time depends on available personnel, their location and priorities. People have grown to take for granted that police will be available when called for. Anyone calling never stops to think they aren't the only one with a need. Cuts in expenses have resulted in many of the trooper stations being unmanned.

The odd part of this situation is, if the story gets talked about enough, people driving through Auburn are more likely to obey the laws resulting in less tickets being issued.

But I don't think I've ever driven through Auburn, including today, that I haven't seen someone that could have had a ticket issued to them. However, people watch for police cars and had I been driving one the situation would likely be different.


Thanx my point exactly. The APD has such a long response time might as well do away with them and wait for County or State. Same response time.
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#1134483 - 01/18/10 06:10 PM Re: Ticket Quotas in Auburn: Police Chief [Re: Dinky Dau]
Mean Gene
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Dinky, I know Auburn is bigger then the Village I was police chief of. We always had at least two officers working. Not much violent crime. It is a given unless two emergencies occur at the same time that an officer will be at a residence in 2-3 minutes. I don't know what Auburns staffing is. Last year a senior citizen arrived home to see someone inside their residence from the driveway. 2 culprits were burglarizing her home. a 911 call and both were caught running from the house within minutes of the call. You can't put a price on that.
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#1136238 - 01/22/10 05:59 PM Re: Ticket Quotas in Auburn: Police Chief [Re: Mean Gene]
monkeydoodle
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Still they seem to be out in force writing those tickets up. Be interesting just to see the report for January.
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#1136261 - 01/22/10 07:00 PM Re: Ticket Quotas in Auburn: Police Chief [Re: monkeydoodle]
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More so than other towns and cities? Just curious...
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#1136618 - 01/23/10 12:53 PM Re: Ticket Quotas in Auburn: Police Chief [Re: Mean Gene]
Dinky Dau
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Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Dinky, I know Auburn is bigger then the Village I was police chief of. We always had at least two officers working. Not much violent crime. It is a given unless two emergencies occur at the same time that an officer will be at a residence in 2-3 minutes. I don't know what Auburns staffing is. Last year a senior citizen arrived home to see someone inside their residence from the driveway. 2 culprits were burglarizing her home. a 911 call and both were caught running from the house within minutes of the call. You can't put a price on that.


I totally agree. Priceless, however when the response time is the same between town,state,county what is the differance. People need a more active voice in the APD due to the corruption and good old boys in Auburn.

if your a former chief you know better than anyone what can happen when you have council members with the ability to tell the police who they should prosecute or who they should go after. it boils down to a personal goon squad. SCARY
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#1174207 - 04/23/10 03:54 AM Re: Ticket Quotas in Auburn: Police Chief [Re: newsman38]
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#1174390 - 04/23/10 11:23 AM Re: Ticket Quotas in Auburn: Police Chief [Re: monkeydoodle]
itstinks
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Believe me it's going on everywhere. I live in Geneva and have to commute to W. Henrietta every six weeks for a two week period. A wonderful sheriff in W. Henrietta wrote me up for "inadequate muffler" due to the fact that the pipe disconnected from my catalytic convertor that very day. This of course was due to the wonderfully maintained potholes on the NYS thruway that I pay $88 a year for the privilege of commuting on.

Then, the following week, just between the Seneca Falls and Waterloo town line, I was pulled over for "no seatbelt." Um I sit in a low slung car and the seat belt happened to be the same color as my shirt; I watched as this Sheriff weaved in and out of traffic without signalling to chase me down.

He argued with me when I told him I had my seat belt on and there's no way he could have possibly seen my seat belt AND that he was targeting me due to the superior glue they use on the registration stickers that allow the sticker to hang off the moment it's applied.

I almost said "do you ALWAYS punish what's left of the productive citizens in this state for nothing?" But I restrained myself.

I am SOOOO moving to Texas the moment I sell my house!!

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#1174428 - 04/23/10 01:44 PM Re: Ticket Quotas in Auburn: Police Chief [Re: itstinks]
Josephus
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Originally Posted By: itstinks
Believe me it's going on everywhere. I live in Geneva and have to commute to W. Henrietta every six weeks for a two week period. A wonderful sheriff in W. Henrietta wrote me up for "inadequate muffler" due to the fact that the pipe disconnected from my catalytic convertor that very day. This of course was due to the wonderfully maintained potholes on the NYS thruway that I pay $88 a year for the privilege of commuting on.

Then, the following week, just between the Seneca Falls and Waterloo town line, I was pulled over for "no seatbelt." Um I sit in a low slung car and the seat belt happened to be the same color as my shirt; I watched as this Sheriff weaved in and out of traffic without signalling to chase me down.

He argued with me when I told him I had my seat belt on and there's no way he could have possibly seen my seat belt AND that he was targeting me due to the superior glue they use on the registration stickers that allow the sticker to hang off the moment it's applied.

I almost said "do you ALWAYS punish what's left of the productive citizens in this state for nothing?" But I restrained myself.

I am SOOOO moving to Texas the moment I sell my house!!

Well... it's hard to blame the cops. They're just doing their jobs after all. Good point about pot holes... although I usually don't see too many of them on the Thruway.
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#1178907 - 05/07/10 09:41 AM Re: Ticket Quotas in Auburn: Police Chief [Re: Josephus]
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Add the CCSD to the list. They are building a reputation to rival the old SCSD.
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