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#1102537 --- 11/11/09 12:16 PM Johnson City Dissolution Vote
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Johnson City vote may not be settled until next week

JOHNSON CITY -- Residents are supposed to learn out the fate of their village Thursday, but based on how things have gone so far, they may have to wait longer.

Last week's vote on dissolving the village into the Town of Union was separated by one vote, 2,139 against, 2,138 for dissolution.

The Broome County Board of Elections will count 174 absentee ballots Thursday, including four cast by military personnel. An additional 13 military absentee ballots were sent out, but they were not returned as of Tuesday. The last day military ballots can be received is Monday, as long as they're postmarked on or before Nov. 2.

Past dissolutions in N.Y. offer guide to Town of Union, county officials
By Eric Reinagel •ereinage@gannett.com • November 10, 2009, 11:25 pm

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#1102539 --- 11/11/09 12:18 PM Re: Johnson City Dissolution Vote [Re: newsman38]
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Last week's vote on dissolving the village into the Town of Union was separated by one vote, 2,139 against, 2,138 for dissolution.
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#1102939 --- 11/12/09 07:20 AM Re: Johnson City Dissolution Vote [Re: Senecamom]
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so close
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#1103416 --- 11/13/09 10:37 AM Re: Johnson City Dissolution Vote [Re: bluezone]
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Missed chance at reform

The fear of change has prevailed in Johnson City.

Opponents to dissolving the village into the Town of Union had their way, 2,257 votes to 2,215 favoring dissolution.

They had their chance to show the rest of the Southern Tier and Central New York - the Elmira-Corning and Ithaca areas - what it's like to fight high taxes by merging their village government into a less costly partnership with the Town of Union.

But it wasn't to be. Self-interest prevailed and foresight was flushed away, along with a chance for residents to slash their annual village tax bill - according to a study - by about 25 percent.

Certainly, dissolution wouldn't have solved all of JC's problems. But it would have been a start, and it would have sent a message to other communities to be more aggressive about saving their taxpayers' money.

JC residents would have kept their schools, parks and shopping areas. Police and fire protection would have been through the Town of Union and Broome County. Hardly anything would have changed except the size of their tax bills.

What a lesson in missed opportunities.

November 13, 2009, 12:00 am
GANNETT NEW YORK NETWORK: Binghamton

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#1103589 --- 11/13/09 06:07 PM Re: Johnson City Dissolution Vote [Re: newsman38]
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What a lesson in missed opportunities.

Under the AG new rules they are facing a 4 year moratorium as well.
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#1104063 --- 11/14/09 06:38 PM Re: Johnson City Dissolution Vote [Re: Senecamom]
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Unless they are forced to merge before that time limit.
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#1105110 --- 11/16/09 03:13 PM Re: Johnson City Dissolution Vote [Re: Senecamom]
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Originally Posted By: Senecamom
What a lesson in missed opportunities.

Under the AG new rules they are facing a 4 year moratorium as well.



More than half the residents in the effected community disagree with your assessement it is a missed opportunity.

A well organized successful effort to retain the status of a Village.

How they were able to accomplish this?

Read all about it at the following web site:

http://www.savejc.com/?q=node/365


Attention to all residents who oppose the dissolution of the Village of Seneca Falls, spend a little time reading of a similar attempt in Johnson City and what those residents were concerned about. It is parallel to yours.

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#1105125 --- 11/16/09 04:01 PM Re: Johnson City Dissolution Vote [Re: grinch]
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A timely read.
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#1105129 --- 11/16/09 04:25 PM Re: Johnson City Dissolution Vote [Re: VM Smith]
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It says nothing. Look at the way the questions were crafted. It is a one sided against dissolution propaganda document. Simple as that.

Johnson City missed a big opportunity.
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#1105136 --- 11/16/09 04:51 PM Re: Johnson City Dissolution Vote [Re: Akisma Woodchuck]
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Oh I would not say it contains nothing of value. Here is a little gem from that web site concerning state and federal aid which will end after 5 years. Also it is mentioned (the same as Seneca Falls) that the incentive for dissolution is not guaranteed.

This should give anyone a reason to pause and think.

From the web site:


Information taken from : (download the full report below)
Consolidation for Towns and Villages
JAMES A. COON LOCAL GOVERNMENT TECHNICAL SERIES

VILLAGE DISSOLVES --TOWN REMAINS

FEDERAL AID
Federal revenue sharing aid after merger less than sum of the aid being received by each separate government before merger.

STATE AID
A. Total per capita aid will eventually be less than aid received when village existed.
B. A five-year phase-out of aid after village dissolves
Town gets 100% of village aid in first year after dissolution;
P 80% in second year;
P 60% in third year;
P 40% in fourth year;
P 20% in fifth year; and none thereafter.

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#1105416 --- 11/17/09 08:49 AM Re: Johnson City Dissolution Vote [Re: grinch]
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Many aspects to look into.
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