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#1094977 - 10/28/09 05:48 AM

Rec Traveling basketball.

happi1
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Does anyone know when they started caring more about winning and less about teaching the kids how to play?Whatever hapen to it doesn't matter if you win or lose,it's how you play the game.
Come on now,It's not like these kids are play for the local high school.
We sign our child up to play,and went to the team parents meeting
the other night.The coach told us that if our child wasn't a good player that he or she would only end up playing about 4 1/2 mins a half.I would like to know if anyone thinks that this is right.My child is only in 5th grage.What is this teaching them?
That the coach thinks they're a looser or what?

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#1094984 - 10/28/09 06:06 AM Re: Rec Traveling basketball. [Re: happi1]
BEerwoman1 BEerwoman1 Member Registered: 02/27/08 Posts: 278 Loc: Waterloo	Age when they start "preparing " them for the rest of their school years of ball playing. Nothing unusual there.
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#1095025 - 10/28/09 07:16 AM Re: Rec Traveling basketball. [Re: happi1]
Carerinoa Carerinoa Senior Member Registered: 04/19/06 Posts: 2399 Loc: New York	I'm not sure which Rec you're talking about but wouldn't it make sense to go to the Rec and voice your concerns about how the coach is handling the team? _________________________ ~ Say What You Mean And Mean What You Say ~
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#1095027 - 10/28/09 07:19 AM Re: Rec Traveling basketball. [Re: happi1]
oops12 oops12 Senior Member Registered: 10/08/08 Posts: 2444 Loc: Absent	That's why they hold tryouts. They do not hold tryouts for the regular basketball program at the rec. I'm referring the the Waterloo Rec. Edited by oops12 (10/28/09 07:23 AM) _________________________ Experience is a wonderful thing-it enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again..
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#1095038 - 10/28/09 07:43 AM Re: Rec Traveling basketball. [Re: happi1]
Senecamom Senecamom Senior Member Registered: 02/03/06 Posts: 5639 Loc: Ridin' shotgun in a sleigh.......	SF Rec has a program that starts the kids at age 5. They are taught very well, each year progressing to finally starting to play a game. Then teams are chosen and the competition of playing begins, I believe they teach teamwork and its an excellent program. jmo. _________________________ ~Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I will meet you there.”~
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#1095093 - 10/28/09 09:08 AM Re: Rec Traveling basketball. [Re: Senecamom]
jimmythegreek jimmythegreek Member Registered: 03/28/03 Posts: 30 Loc: a	The problem with parents now a days are they want to shelter their children from reality. I understand why they do it but it is not helping them out. Life is about winning and losing. The sooner kids realize this the better off they will be. Then it will be up to them to change the course of action.
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#1095120 - 10/28/09 09:33 AM Re: Rec Traveling basketball. [Re: jimmythegreek]
Jelloshot Jelloshot Silver Member Registered: 11/22/02 Posts: 10195 Loc: Not here	Winning and losing are all part of the game, but rabid over zealous coaching certainly does not help to educate and create an atmosphere that encourages a love of the game, self development and team development with the children. Especially in the early (4th,5th&6th) grade years. It should still be about fun and learning, preparing them for the more competitive years -modified, jv and varsity etc. Only playing 5,6 or 7 kids and telling parents we won't play your child if they are not good enough is ridiculous, at that age. _________________________ http://blogs.fingerlakes1.com/seneca-county-spca/
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#1095125 - 10/28/09 09:40 AM Re: Rec Traveling basketball. [Re: Jelloshot]
zygumby25 zygumby25 Member Registered: 11/11/05 Posts: 23	This sounds like a travel team at the 5th and 6th grade level. Im sure that all players will get into the game however, some will play more than others for sure. It sounds to me like the coach is being up front with the parent. If this were a local game (playing just wloo or sf kids), that is not the case and all players will get about equal time. Yes tryouts do occur at this age, its competitive. Nature of the beast.
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#1095161 - 10/28/09 11:04 AM Re: Rec Traveling basketball. [Re: zygumby25]
oops12 oops12 Senior Member Registered: 10/08/08 Posts: 2444 Loc: Absent	It's the same as baseball, same age levels. During the regular season the coaches, from what I see try to get the kids to play an equal amount of time. There are exceptions, but for the most part not all coaches are all out for winning. If your child moves onto all-stars, the coaches will tell you straight up, they're out to win and the best players will be played the most. _________________________ Experience is a wonderful thing-it enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again..
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#1095305 - 10/28/09 02:56 PM Re: Rec Traveling basketball. [Re: oops12]
Dan Druff Dan Druff Member Registered: 08/25/05 Posts: 62	No wonder kids get so burned out from sports. There is so much competition, emphasis on winning, all of the "travel" and "all star teams," the I am better than you mentality instead of team, and the over the top coaches. What happened to playing sports (or coaching) because you love the game? Creating travel teams at the elementary level takes the competition away from programs. Now in 5th ad 6th grade kids and parents know who are the chosen ones for the varsity team six years down the road and stay away from the politics. Now kids get to 10th and 11th grade and they are so worn out, or emotionally ruined that they quit sports they once loved and there is no one to replace them because the other capable kids were cut in 5th grade and gave up on sports. No wonder kids won't try out for sports, or new sports, in Middle School or early high school...they are afraid to get cut, AGAIN! So many parents and coaches push kids too far and too young for that elusive "free ride" to a college of their choice. Unfortunately colleges don't offer full scholarships anymore unless you are that rare blue chip player. Why do we want these kids to grow up so fast? They will have enough problems when they get older, let them enjoy their youth while they have it!
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#1095395 - 10/28/09 05:45 PM Re: Rec Traveling basketball. [Re: Dan Druff]
happi1 happi1 Member Registered: 09/04/09 Posts: 26 Loc: happi1	Thank u happi1 for delete what I wrote.What happen to freedom of the press? I just wanted parents to know that this was going on.What does this tell our children?
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#1095425 - 10/28/09 06:21 PM Re: Rec Traveling basketball. [Re: happi1]
oops12 oops12 Senior Member Registered: 10/08/08 Posts: 2444 Loc: Absent	You're right, every kid on a team wants to play and be a part of the team. What fun is it to sit on the bench watching everyone else play? How much fun for it was a parent to sit and watch everyone else's kid play while you're kids bummed because he's not playing? My son started playing little league 2 years ago. He really took to it and I can't believe how much he improved from last year to this year. He didn't start at the t-ball level. He joined into the minor league. He started playing because all his friends played. His coach was great and gave every kid a chance to play. Had he not, maybe my son wouldn't have wanted to play this year. He got nominated for the all-star team but he didn't get to play all the time. He was frustrated, not understanding why these other kids got to play and they weren't any better than he was. But it's a part of the deal. As frustrating as it might be, they have to accept they can't be out there all the time. I've seen it make the kids resent the coach and the game. I played for years, my other son has played for years. But there are also kids out there with a lot of talent and they should have to opportunity to play kids at their level or a higher level. It helps them improve and it also teaches them how to lose too. I think there's pro and cons to it. Kids can be ruthless and not making the team might get them picked on. Being on a team helps to build character, whether it's good or bad. _________________________ Experience is a wonderful thing-it enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again..
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#1095434 - 10/28/09 06:35 PM Re: Rec Traveling basketball. [Re: oops12]
happi1 happi1 Member Registered: 09/04/09 Posts: 26 Loc: happi1	These kids aren't trying out or anything.Their parents are paying for them to play.But the coaches are only going to play their child and their friends child.I still think that every chld should have a chance to play for more then 4 mins a half.How are they going to learn about sportsmanship if they don't get a chance to play? Can't someone please give me a good answer?I never played any sports when I was young because I didn't want to.But my child wants to play.I know that every coach wants a winning team.But come on, these are 5th and 6th grader not high school kid who are playing for their school.
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#1095440 - 10/28/09 06:47 PM Re: Rec Traveling basketball. [Re: happi1]
Dan Druff Dan Druff Member Registered: 08/25/05 Posts: 62	How many minutes are in a quarter for bball? 8? sounds like your kid is guarenteed 25% of the game. Only 5 kids can play at a time so if there are 12-15 kids it sounds like 4 min per half is a pretty good deal. Guess you have to look at the big picture.
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#1095453 - 10/28/09 07:19 PM Re: Rec Traveling basketball. [Re: Dan Druff]
happi1 happi1 Member Registered: 09/04/09 Posts: 26 Loc: happi1	Not overly sure how many mins.But there is a big chance because there are more then 15 kids on the team,that most of these kid may not play at all.Do you think that this is fair to them.I mean their parents had to pay and everything.
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#1095456 - 10/28/09 07:23 PM Re: Rec Traveling basketball. [Re: happi1]
RedGreen RedGreen Senior Member Registered: 08/07/06 Posts: 5664 Loc: Paradise	If there are really "more than 15 kids per team" then they simply should have made more 8 child teams. Then everyone would get a lot of playing time. 15 kids on a basketball team is insane. _________________________ I am the luckiest man on the face of the Earth.
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#1095464 - 10/28/09 07:35 PM Re: Rec Traveling basketball. [Re: happi1]
Dan Druff Dan Druff Member Registered: 08/25/05 Posts: 62	The coaches are putting themselves in a bad situation if they have 15 or more kids. That is 3 full teams and a no win situation for many kids and parents. There is not a lot of room for opportunities to gain valuable game experience and I would find a better opportunity for my kid if they were 10-15 on the depth chart. There are many AAU, CYO teams around that play as many games, if not more than Rec Travel teams and are in need of extra players. I would save my money from travel bball and have them play regular youth hoop and put the extra cash toward a summer bball clinic or camp at a local college. Wait a couple more years to see if bball is something they want to pursue and then try the travel thing.
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#1095726 - 10/29/09 08:08 AM Re: Rec Traveling basketball. [Re: happi1]
Athena Athena Member Registered: 01/09/02 Posts: 125	I do believe that the 4 minute rule at that level is guaranteed. It is part of the rules. Now as they progress up the levels then those rules change and you may not be given any amount of time. The reason they have so much depth is they need, how do I say this nicely, there is no nice way, "practice dummies" They need these other children to be on the other side of the practice spectrum so the "team" has someone to practice against. The coach was being very upfront with you because as the season progresses and your child sits more and more, because they go in for 30 seconds at a time to give the regular player a water break. He doesn't want you to get all hot headed and push the button by questioning him. He'll tell you "you were told in the beginning, this is how it is" The sad part is no person can even get acclimated to the game in 30 seconds. But those 30 seconds added up over 32 minutes will give your child the required 4 minutes. You really should listen to the person who said to save your money and send your kid to camps and AAU. Because unfortunately these small programs are all the same. Once in a while you will get a really good coach who will work with all the kids and they are the ones who will make the game loved by your child. They are the ones who will inspire your child to keep playing because of the love of the game. Then unfortunately you have the coaches who winning is everything and your child becomes the practice dummie while they work with the team players. I'm not telling you to discourage you, but just be aware that it can be a long road to hell for you and your child if you can't accept the mentality of winning is everything. Also with AAU, it can be a much more physical game. And if you choose to go that route go to one of the Rochester or Syracuse teams. It means that you have to travel, but at least you are not caught up in the small town garbage because the locals stay local and it just carries over. I hope this helps. Take it from a mom who's been there and done that. _________________________
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#1096030 - 10/29/09 05:19 PM Re: Rec Traveling basketball. [Re: Athena]
happi1 happi1 Member Registered: 09/04/09 Posts: 26 Loc: happi1	I can't believe they moved this.Why ?BEcause someone of the coaches got upset by this!Well too bad.They need to teach this kids about sportsmanship,and NOT ABOUT WINNING!!!!!!!!!!!! What happen to it not about winning it's about how you play the game. These coaches are upset.What about the child who sits out for the whole game,because they not think they're good enough.Is this fair to them?
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#1096240 - 10/29/09 09:12 PM Re: Rec Traveling basketball. [Re: happi1]
oops12 oops12 Senior Member Registered: 10/08/08 Posts: 2444 Loc: Absent	Originally Posted By: happi1 These kids aren't trying out or anything. Are you in W'loo or SF's? Waterloo is having their regular youth basketball program and they are having tryouts for the traveling team. _________________________ Experience is a wonderful thing-it enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again..
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