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#1076454 --- 09/14/09 03:13 AM you all might want to read this ..
reilley Offline
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it doesn't sound good .... nope not at all.


Cap and Trade Bill Sept 12, 2009



Subject: Congressional Bill H 2454 Selling your home



This is really frightening, but it hasn’t received that much press yet since everyone is still haggling over the health care fiasco. Also, most of the media that has addressed “cap and trade” has focused on the effect it will have on corporations – not individual homeowners. The full bill is on the link below, but the shorter summary below the link gives you enough to make you sick – very sick. WRITE YOUR REPRESENTATIVES – NOW.

This bill is only 1428 pages long… The House passed it without reading and it is in the Senate now.






Here is the link for the bill:

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgibname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h2454pcs.txt.pdf



Wow! Home owners take note & tell your friends and relatives who are home owners!!! Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act.





YOUR SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT AT WORK...............


More change you can believe in.....The Cap and Trade bill passed in the House and now is in the Senate. A lot has been said about the enormous tax hit and energy price hikes to every tax payer that will follow this bill, but not much has been leaked about the impact on your ability to sell and maintain your home. Hah, gotcha. Read on.....


H.R. 2454, the "Cap & Trade" bill was passed by the House of Representatives, if also passed by the Senate, will be the largest tax increase any of us has ever experienced. The Congressional Budget Office (supposedly non-partisan) estimates that in just a few years the average cost to every family of four will be $6,800 per r year. No one is excluded. However, once the lower classes feel the pinch in their wallets, you can be sure these voters get a tax refund (even if they pay no taxes at all) to offset this new cost. Thus, you Mr. and Mrs. Middle Class America will have to pay even more since additional tax dollars will be needed to bail out everyone else.


But wait. This awful bill (that no one in Congress has actually read.....this is the one the Democrats hired a speed reader to read aloud, has many more surprises in it.


Probably the worst one is this: A year from now you may not be able to sell your house.


Yes, you read that right. The caveat is (there always is a caveat) that if you have enough money to make required major upgrades to your home, then you can sell it. But, if not, then forget it. Even pre-fabricated homes (mobile homes) are included.


In effect, this bill prevents you from selling your home without the permission of the EPA administrator (Czar).



To get this permission, you will have to have the energy efficiency of your home measured. Then the government will tell you what your new energy efficiency requirement is and you will be
forced to make modifications to your home under the retrofit provisions of this Act to comply with the new energy and water efficiency requirements. Then you will have to get your home measured again and get a license (called a "label" in the Act) that must be posted on your property to show what your efficiency rating is; sort of like the Energy Star efficiency rating label on your refrigerator or air conditioner. If you don't get a high enough rating, you can't sell. And, the EPA administrator is authorized to raise the standards every year, even above the automatic energy efficiency increases built into the Act. (ahhh..There was a time when we didn't pay annual license fees on cars...does this sound a bit familiar?)


The EPA Czar, appointed by the President, will run the Cap & Trade program (AKA the "American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009") and is authorized to make any future changes to the regulations and standards he alone determines to be in the government's best interest. Requirements are set low initially so the bill will pass Congress; then the Administrator can set much tougher new standards every year. The Act itself contains annual required increases in energy efficiency for private and commercial residences and buildings. However, the EPA administrator can set higher standards at any time.


Sect. 202 Building Retrofit Program mandates a national retrofit program< /SPAN> to increase the energy efficiency of all existing homes across America . Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act. You had better sell soon, because the standards will be raised each year and will be really hard (i.e., expensive) to meet in a few years. Oh, goody! The Act allows the government to give you a grant of several thousand dollars to comply with the retrofit program requirements if you meet certain energy efficiency levels. But, wait, the State can set additional requirements on who qualifies to receive the grants. You should expect requirements such as "can't have an income of more than $50K per year", "home selling price can't be more than $125K", or anything else to target the upper middle class (and that's YOU) and prevent them from qualifying for the grants. Most of us won't get a dime and will have to pay the entire cost of the retrofit out of our own pockets. More transfer of wealth, more "change you can believe in."


Sect. 204 Building Energy Performance Labeling Program establishes a labeling program that for each individual residence will identify the achieved energy efficiency performance for "at least 90 percent of the residential market within 5 years after the date of the enactment of this Act." This means that within 5 years 90% of all residential homes in the U.S. must be measured and labeled. The EPA administrator will get $50M each year to enforce the labeling program. The Secretary of the Department of Energy will get an additional $20M each year to help enforce the labeling program. Some of this money will, of course, be spent on coming up with tougher standards each year. Oh, the label will be like a license for your car. You will be required to post the label in a conspicuous location in your home and will not be allowed to sell your home without having this label. And, just like your car license, you will probably be required to get a new label periodically - maybe every year. But, the government estimates the cost of measuring the energy efficiency of your home should only cost about $200 each time. Remember what they said about the auto smog inspections when they first started: that in California it would only cost $15. That was when the program started. Now the cost is about $50 for the inspection and certificate; a 333% increase. Expect the same from the home labeling program.


Sect. 304 Greater Energy Efficiency in Building Codes establishes new energy efficiency guidelines for the National Building Code and mandates at 304(d) that 1 year after enactment of this Act, all state and local jurisdictions must adopt the National Building Code energy efficiency provisions or must obtain a certification from the federal government that their state and / or local codes have been brought into full compliance with the National Building Code energy efficiency standards.





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#1076456 --- 09/14/09 03:35 AM Re: you all might want to read this .. [Re: reilley]
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http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/energy-bill-and-existing-homes/

It’s true that the bill sets new national efficiency standards for NEW residential and commercial buildings. It calls for buildings to be 30 percent more efficient by 2012, and 50 percent more efficient beginning in 2014. It ultimately calls for buildings to be 75 percent more efficient by 2029. But those efficiency benchmarks apply only to homes constructed after the bill becomes law, not currently existing ones.
We found no requirement for energy audits or energy-efficiency inspections in the bill, either. Nor did the National Association of Home Builders, according to Calli Barker Schmidt, the organization’s director of environmental communications. "Inspections are usually required by banks and mortgage companies when a home changes hands – but if you are talking specifically about energy-efficiency checks, or an energy audit, it is not required for existing homes," she told FactCheck.org in an e-mail.
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#1076461 --- 09/14/09 04:07 AM Re: you all might want to read this .. [Re: roadguy]
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FactCheck.

Hmmmm. Wasn't that founded by the same organization that funded Bill Ayers and Obama's "community activism" in Chicago?



Why yes, yes it was. ;-)
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#1076466 --- 09/14/09 04:55 AM Re: you all might want to read this .. [Re: SkySoldier]
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#1076552 --- 09/14/09 12:55 PM Re: you all might want to read this .. [Re: SkySoldier]
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Originally Posted By: SkySoldier
FactCheck.

Hmmmm. Wasn't that founded by the same organization that funded Bill Ayers and Obama's "community activism" in Chicago?



Why yes, yes it was. ;-)


Why yes, yes you're right...

FactCheck.org, a "truth"-detecting site that is sponsored by the Annenberg Foundation, the same foundation that hired Obama and his terrorist pal William Ayers and gave them millions of dollars for a research project in Chicago. In other words, the least credible source!
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#1076580 --- 09/14/09 01:54 PM Re: you all might want to read this .. [Re: Senecamom]
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Originally Posted By: senecamom
Originally Posted By: SkySoldier
FactCheck.

Hmmmm. Wasn't that founded by the same organization that funded Bill Ayers and Obama's "community activism" in Chicago?



Why yes, yes it was. ;-)


Why yes, yes you're right...

FactCheck.org, a "truth"-detecting site that is sponsored by the Annenberg Foundation, the same foundation that hired Obama and his terrorist pal William Ayers and gave them millions of dollars for a research project in Chicago. In other words, the least credible source!
Ahahahaha... Facts Checks, there's no other place on the web you can find the truth..Ahahahahaha
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#1076583 --- 09/14/09 01:58 PM Re: you all might want to read this .. [Re: HarleyBobT]
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Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT
Ahahahaha... Facts Checks, there's no other place on the web you can find the truth..Ahahahahaha



Well there is always these forums for seeking truth.
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#1076595 --- 09/14/09 02:24 PM Re: you all might want to read this .. [Re: Taxpayer14456]
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Originally Posted By: Taxpayer14456
Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT
Ahahahaha... Facts Checks, there's no other place on the web you can find the truth..Ahahahahaha



Well there is always these forums for seeking truth.


Truth!!!
What truth!?
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#1076598 --- 09/14/09 02:27 PM Re: you all might want to read this .. [Re: HarleyBobT]
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Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT
What truth!?



You know, when someone posts something on here it's always true.
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#1076617 --- 09/14/09 02:49 PM Re: you all might want to read this .. [Re: Taxpayer14456]
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Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT
Originally Posted By: Taxpayer14456
Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT
Ahahahaha... Facts Checks, there's no other place on the web you can find the truth..Ahahahahaha



Well there is always these forums for seeking truth.


Truth!!!
What truth!?
We're spoon feed what our masters want us to eat and don't you forget that.


Originally Posted By: Taxpayer14456
Originally Posted By: HarleyBobT
What truth!?



Originally Posted By: Taxpayer14456
[quote=HarleyBobT] What truth!?



You know, when someone posts something on here it's always true.



Now aint that the truth!


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