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#1069235 --- 08/26/09 06:52 AM Sen. Ted Kennedy Dies
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090826/us_nm/us_kennedy

.U.S. Senator Edward Kennedy dies

By Scott Malone Scott Malone – 32 mins ago
BOSTON (Reuters) – U.S. Senator Edward Kennedy, a towering figure in the Democratic Party who took the helm of one of America's most fabled political families after two older brothers were assassinated, has died, his family said. He was 77.

"Edward M. Kennedy, the husband, father, grandfather, brother and uncle we loved so deeply, died late Tuesday night at home in Hyannis Port (Massachusetts)," the Kennedy family said in a statement.

One of the most influential and longest-serving senators in U.S. history -- a liberal standard-bearer who was also known as a consummate congressional dealmaker -- Kennedy had been battling brain cancer, which was diagnosed in May 2008.

"We've lost the irreplaceable center of our family and joyous light in our lives, but the inspiration of his faith, optimism, and perseverance will live on in our hearts forever," the family statement said.

"He loved this country and devoted his life to serving it. He always believed that our best days were still ahead, but it's hard to imagine any of them without him," the family added.

His death marked the twilight of a political dynasty and dealt a blow to Democrats as they seek to answer President Barack Obama's call for an overhaul of the healthcare system. Kennedy had made healthcare reform his signature cause.

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid said in a statement the Kennedy family and Senate "have together lost our patriarch."

"As we mourn his loss, we rededicate ourselves to the causes for which he so dutifully dedicated his life."

Known as "Teddy," he was the brother of President John Kennedy, assassinated in 1963, Senator Robert Kennedy, fatally shot while campaigning for the 1968 Democratic presidential nomination, and Joe Kennedy, a pilot killed in World War Two.

When he first took the Senate seat previously held by John Kennedy in 1962, he was seen as something of a political lightweight who owed his ascent to his famous name.

Yet during his nearly half century in the chamber, Kennedy became known as one of Washington's most effective senators, crafting legislation by working with lawmakers and presidents of both parties, and finding unlikely allies.

At the same time, he held fast to liberal causes deemed anachronistic by the centrist "New Democrats," and was a lightning rod for conservative ire.

He helped enact measures to protect civil and labor rights, expand healthcare, upgrade schools, increase student aid and contain the spread of nuclear weapons.

"There's a lot to do," Kennedy told Reuters in 2006. "I think most of all it's the injustice that I continue to see and the opportunity to have some impact on it."

After Robert Kennedy's death, Edward was expected to waste little time in vying for the presidency. But in 1969, a young woman drowned after a car Kennedy was driving plunged off a bridge on the Massachusetts resort island of Chappaquiddick after a night of partying.

Kennedy's image took a major hit after it emerged he had failed to report the accident to authorities. He pleaded guilty to leaving the scene and received a suspended sentence.

Kennedy eventually ran for his party's presidential nomination in 1980 but lost to then-President Jimmy Carter.

His presidential ambitions thwarted, Kennedy devoted himself to his Senate career.

A 2009 survey by The Hill, a Capitol Hill publication, found that Senate Republicans believed Kennedy was the chamber's easiest Democrat to work with and most bipartisan.

Republican Senator John McCain called Kennedy "the single most effective member of the Senate if you want to get results."

In January 2008, Kennedy endorsed Obama, who was serving his first term as a senator, for the Democratic presidential nomination. Many saw the endorsement -- Obama went on to win the nomination and the White House -- as the passing of the political torch to a new generation.

'LION' BATTLED ON

Kennedy had been largely sidelined in Congress since becoming ill. The "Lion of the Senate" began to use a cane and often looked tired and drained as he mixed work with treatment.

Yet colleagues and staff said he remained determined to fulfill what he called "the cause of my life," providing health insurance to all Americans. He helped draft legislation to overhaul the $2.5 trillion U.S. healthcare system.

Kennedy's interest in healthcare dated from his son's bout with cancer in the 1970s. More recently, he cited his own illness as he made a case for reform.

"I've benefited from the best of medicine, but I've also witnessed the frustration and outrage of patients and doctors alike as they face the challenges of a system that shortchanges millions of Americans," he wrote in a May 28, 2009, issue of the Boston Globe.

His charisma as "the last of the Kennedy brothers" was such that draft-Teddy drives were a feature of U.S. presidential election years from 1968 through the 1980s.

But he never fully escaped the cloud of the Chappaquiddick accident. A decades-long argument arose about whether he tried to cover up his involvement by leaving the scene while Mary Jo Kopechne's body remained submerged and whether police helped sweep such questions under the rug. All involved denied any cover-up.

Later crises involving younger Kennedys, notably the 1991 Palm Beach rape trial of his nephew, William Kennedy Smith, caught a bloated and weary-looking Uncle Ted in a media glare. Reports of heavy drinking and womanizing led to a public apology for "the faults in the conduct of my private life."

Kennedy was remarried soon after that to Victoria Reggie, a 38-year-old lawyer with two young children from her first marriage. He poured renewed energy into the Senate, where he would become the third-longest serving senator in history.

Even his Republican foes recognized Kennedy's dedication as he worked to protect civil rights, give federal help to the poor, contain the spread of nuclear weapons, raise the minimum wage, expand health coverage and improve America's schools.

FAMILY STANDARDS

Born on February 22, 1932, Edward Moore Kennedy was the last of four sons and five daughters born to millionaire businessman Joseph Kennedy, who would later be ambassador to Britain, and his wife Rose.

The Boston Irish family combined the competitive spirit of nouveau riche immigrants with acquired polish and natural charm. The sons were expected to mature into presidential timber and were groomed for that starting with the oldest, Joseph Jr., a bomber pilot who died in World War Two.

"I think about my brothers every day," Kennedy told Reuters. "They set high standards. Sometimes you measure up, sometimes you don't."

Like his brothers, Kennedy was known for his oratory, delivered in a booming voice at rallies, congressional hearings and in the Senate.

He drew praise from liberals, labor and civil rights groups and scorn from conservatives, big business and anti-abortion and pro-gun activists. His image was often used by Republicans in ads as a money-raising tool.

Tragedies dogged Kennedy throughout his life. They included a 1964 plane crash that damaged his spine and left him with persistent pain; bone cancer that cost son Teddy a leg; first wife Joan's battles with alcoholism that contributed to their divorce, and drug problems involving nephews, one of whom died of an overdose. His nephew, John Kennedy Jr., died in July 1999 when his small plane crashed into the ocean near Cape Cod.

In May 2008, Edward Kennedy collapsed at his Cape Cod home and was flown to hospital in Boston, where he was diagnosed with a malignant brain tumor. Brain cancer kills half its victims within a year.

Kennedy's illness kept him from attending the funeral of his sister, Eunice Kennedy Shriver, a leading advocate of the mentally disabled, who died on August 11 at the age of 88.
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#1069484 --- 08/26/09 05:53 PM Re: Sen. Ted Kennedy Dies [Re: reilley]
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In all of the fawning over this guy on the news this morning the best they could come up with was that he was the Consummate Legislator.

Says alot about a man to me.
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#1069489 --- 08/26/09 06:03 PM Re: Sen. Ted Kennedy Dies [Re: BraveHeart]
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That's OK. I'm sure Ronny Reagan will keep him company.
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#1069495 --- 08/26/09 06:13 PM Re: Sen. Ted Kennedy Dies [Re: Josephus]
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Originally Posted By: Josephus
That's OK. I'm sure Ronny Reagan will keep him company.



Wow. Ronald Reagan? I used to think you were so reasonable, Josephus
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#1069508 --- 08/26/09 07:13 PM Re: Sen. Ted Kennedy Dies [Re: wildman69]
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Kind of tongue-in- cheek there, Wildy... yankin' your chain, so to speak. ;\) But, why wouldn't someone like Ronald Reagan be expected to be there? I think people need to get over the idea of "Saint Ronald", as much as they need to get over "Saint Barack" or "Saint Theodore." No one at that level of power is squeaky clean.
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#1069513 --- 08/26/09 07:24 PM Re: Sen. Ted Kennedy Dies [Re: Josephus]
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It is sad how much attention they gave this guy. They made it sound like he "wrote" half of the legislation during his career. The fact is his name was attached to so many bills because people thought the Kennedy name would give them traction.
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#1069532 --- 08/26/09 08:13 PM Re: Sen. Ted Kennedy Dies [Re: Greymane]
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It's wrong that they want to bury this guy in Arlington National Cemetery.
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#1069552 --- 08/26/09 08:45 PM Re: Sen. Ted Kennedy Dies [Re: Taxpayer14456]
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It's wrong that they want to bury this guy in Arlington National Cemetery.

Hadn't heard that one! The only conceivable reason I can see for that would be so that he could be buried close to his brother. I really don't see any other valid reason for doing so. I believe he served in the USN, or most likely the USNR. But, that's not usually a good enough reason.
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#1069574 --- 08/26/09 09:38 PM Re: Sen. Ted Kennedy Dies [Re: Josephus]
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The article said he will be buried in Arlington due to his congressional service and his tenure in the Army from 1951 to 1953.

What a dis-service to the real heroes buried there.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/26/obit.ted.kennedy/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

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#1069702 --- 08/27/09 02:23 AM Re: Sen. Ted Kennedy Dies [Re: Josephus]
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Originally Posted By: Josephus
Originally Posted By: Taxpayer14456
It's wrong that they want to bury this guy in Arlington National Cemetery.

Hadn't heard that one! The only conceivable reason I can see for that would be so that he could be buried close to his brother. I really don't see any other valid reason for doing so. I believe he served in the USN, or most likely the USNR. But, that's not usually a good enough reason.



You are absolutely correct Josephus.

Unless he has one of the top five military awards, a Congressional Medal of Honor, a "Cross" ( such as the Distigueshed Service Cross) from one of the armed forces, a Silver Star, a Bronze Star ... or a Purple Heart ... then he IS NOT eligeble to be interred there.

But, as his brothers are both buried there, so too will he be.

But!

For vehicular manslaughter while DUI, and for leaving the scene of an accident, and for not reporting an accident involving a fatality .... he should not be buried in Arlington.


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#1069722 --- 08/27/09 03:59 AM Re: Sen. Ted Kennedy Dies [Re: SkySoldier]
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Originally Posted By: SkySoldier
Originally Posted By: Josephus
Originally Posted By: Taxpayer14456
It's wrong that they want to bury this guy in Arlington National Cemetery.

Hadn't heard that one! The only conceivable reason I can see for that would be so that he could be buried close to his brother. I really don't see any other valid reason for doing so. I believe he served in the USN, or most likely the USNR. But, that's not usually a good enough reason.



You are absolutely correct Josephus.

Unless he has one of the top five military awards, a Congressional Medal of Honor, a "Cross" ( such as the Distigueshed Service Cross) from one of the armed forces, a Silver Star, a Bronze Star ... or a Purple Heart ... then he IS NOT eligeble to be interred there.

But, as his brothers are both buried there, so too will he be.

But!

For vehicular manslaughter while DUI, and for leaving the scene of an accident, and for not reporting an accident involving a fatality .... he should not be buried in Arlington.



Not that I agree with it but he does qualify:

A Guide to Burial at Arlington National Cemetery

Establishing Eligibility

Eligibility for Interment (Ground Burial)

The persons specified below are eligible for ground burial in Arlington National Cemetery. The last period of active duty of former members of the Armed Forces must have ended honorably. Interment may be casketed or cremated remains.

Any active duty member of the Armed Forces (except those members serving on active duty for training only).
Any veteran who is retired from active military service with the Armed Forces.
Any veteran who is retired from the Reserves is eligible upon reaching age 60 and drawing retired pay; and who served a period of active duty (other than for training).
Any former member of the Armed Forces separated honorably prior to October 1, 1949 for medical reasons and who was rated at 30% or greater disabled effective on the day of discharge.
Any former member of the Armed Forces who has been awarded one of the following decorations:
Medal of Honor
Distinguished Service Cross (Navy Cross or Air Force Cross)
Distinguished Service Medal
Silver Star
Purple Heart
The President of the United States or any former President of the United States.
Any former member of the Armed Forces who served on active duty (other than for training) and who held any of the following positions:
An elective office of the U.S. Government

Office of the Chief Justice of the United States or of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States.
An office listed, at the time the person held the position, in 5 USC 5312 or 5313 (Levels I and II of the Executive Schedule).
The chief of a mission who was at any time during his/her tenure classified in Class I under the provisions of Section 411, Act of 13 August 1946, 60 Stat. 1002, as amended (22 USC 866) or as listed in State Department memorandum dated March 21, 1988.
Any former prisoner of war who, while a prisoner of war, served honorably in the active military, naval, or air service, whose last period of military, naval or air service terminated honorably and who died on or after November 30, 1993.
The spouse, widow or widower, minor child, or permanently dependent child, and certain unmarried adult children of any of the above eligible veterans.
The widow or widower of:
a member of the Armed Forces who was lost or buried at sea or officially determined to be missing in action.
a member of the Armed Forces who is interred in a US military cemetery overseas that is maintained by the American Battle Monuments Commission.
a member of the Armed Forces who is interred in Arlington National Cemetery as part of a group burial.
The surviving spouse, minor child, or permanently dependent child of any person already buried in Arlington National Cemetery.
The parents of a minor child, or permanently dependent child whose remains, based on the eligibility of a parent, are already buried in ANC. A spouse divorced from the primary eligible, or widowed and remarried, is not eligible for interment.
Provided certain conditions are met, a former member of the Armed Forces may be buried in the same grave with a close relative who is already buried and is the primary eligible.
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#1069730 --- 08/27/09 04:24 AM Re: Sen. Ted Kennedy Dies [Re: SU2011]
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Darn! I just looked that up, and then noticed your post.

BTW, that's the same reason RFK is in Arlington.


Edited by VM Smith (08/27/09 04:29 AM)
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#1069821 --- 08/27/09 01:08 PM Re: Sen. Ted Kennedy Dies [Re: VM Smith]
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Originally Posted By: VM Smith
Darn! I just looked that up, and then noticed your post.

BTW, that's the same reason RFK is in Arlington.


He should be buried at the feet of Mary Jo Kopechne.
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#1069846 --- 08/27/09 03:19 PM Re: Sen. Ted Kennedy Dies [Re: SU2011]
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Why is Joe Louis buried in Arlington? He served in the army during WW II, but did he earn any medals? Not that he doesn't deserve to be there, in light of how he got screwed, blued, and tattoed by the IRS for taxes on the proceeds from exhibition bouts which he donated to Navy Relief. But, how is he covered under these rules? In other words, can the POTUS (in this case, Reagan) just wave his magic wand to allow you to be buried in Arlington?
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#1069848 --- 08/27/09 03:35 PM Re: Sen. Ted Kennedy Dies [Re: Josephus]
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There is an article at arlingtoncemetery.net that states that Joe did not meet the requirements, but President Reagan waived these to allow his burial as an American icon.
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#1069860 --- 08/27/09 04:37 PM Re: Sen. Ted Kennedy Dies [Re: Greymane]
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Sorry if anyone read the post that I deleted. I totally misread Greymane's post.


Joe Lewis information from the Arlington National Cemetery site
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#1069915 --- 08/27/09 08:58 PM Re: Sen. Ted Kennedy Dies [Re: HarleyBobT]
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Maybe you would like to reserve space UNDER this famous American.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=626


Sen. Ted Kennedy, may he rest in peace.
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#1069924 --- 08/27/09 09:39 PM Re: Sen. Ted Kennedy Dies [Re: Santa_Cruzer]
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I was never big on Ted Kennedy's politics, but I do feel for his family as they grieve over his passing. Whether it is expected like his passing was or surprise, it's never easy on those close to the person.

I was surprised that his passing wasn't all over the networks last night like Michael Jackson's was. They had alot of coverage on Good Morning America this morning.

Of course that idiot Diane Sawyer asked Chris Cuomo if there were any signs of movement this morning. Like anyone needs to know their every move. Let them grieve in peace without some reporter asking stupid questions. I wish ABC would get rid of her and that other idiot, Charlie Gibson. If ABC did that and replaced them with someone like Robin or Chris, then they would have an excellent news team.

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#1069933 --- 08/27/09 10:15 PM Re: Sen. Ted Kennedy Dies [Re: racefan73]
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The same guy that was kicked out of Harvard twice, never got above the rank of private in the army, had strings pulled so he didn't have to go to Korea and left a young woman to die from drowning doesn't deserve to be buried in Arlington National Cemetery.
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