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#1063984 --- 08/13/09 09:51 PM Getting Cancer in a 'Hell Hole' Socialist Country
Zorn Offline
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TPM has a fasicnating headline today about about mistaken assumptions: on the face of it, it's just an embarrassing blunder. The editor of Investor Business Weekly speculated that the eminent scientist Steven Hawking would have been eliminated by NHS death panels had he been, erh.. British.

As embarrassing as that is, not knowing Hawking's nationality is a mere detail. The real mistake, far more ominous for its ignorance, are the mistaken assumptions flourishing in the media about "hell hole socialist countries" and "death panels."

I live in such a country (France) though I am American and I should probably go ahead and admit that I am also a citizen of the place.

I haven't blogged in here much lately because I was recently diagnosed with breast cancer and I've just (today even) gotten a letter from one of those "death" panels. Amazingly, I wasn't shaking when I got the letter. They are called Medical Councils here and they determine whether someone is eligible or not for 100 percent medical coverage provided by the state, due to a prolonged illness that is in no way the fault of the patient.

This "Council" provides an essential service that is desperately needed in the US. It makes a decision about a patient's health that does not depend upon considerations like age, income, pre-existing conditions or lifestyle. The council has only one question to answer: does the patient have an illness (or trauma) that requires long term treatment? If the answer to that question is yes, the person is immediately covered at 100 percent for the duration of the illness. the NHS functions in the same way, hence Hawking's extended care.

In every country, there is a percentage of the population that falls victim to these situations. Our consistent inability to provide sustained medical care to these people regardless of income is the main reason we are a country that spends the highest percentage of our GDP (16 %) on healthcare of any developped country while maintaining the highest unnecessary death rate among these countries.

Let's stop the hype and starting looking at the facts.



I actually wish we could keep the health care discussions to just one topic to keep the noise ratio down, but when in Rome...
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#1064624 --- 08/14/09 07:21 PM Re: Getting Cancer in a 'Hell Hole' Socialist Country [Re: Zorn]
Greymane Offline
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She is American, but she is a citizen of France? Who is making the blunder?
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#1064631 --- 08/14/09 07:47 PM Re: Getting Cancer in a 'Hell Hole' Socialist Country [Re: Greymane]
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She could be a citizen of both countries.
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#1064666 --- 08/14/09 09:42 PM Re: Getting Cancer in a 'Hell Hole' Socialist Country [Re: Zorn]
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Speaking of Stephen Hawking, I love this man. His response to the IBD article ( here ) is classic:

“I wouldn’t be here today if it were not for the NHS,” he told The Guardian this week. “I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived.”
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#1064686 --- 08/14/09 10:41 PM Re: Getting Cancer in a 'Hell Hole' Socialist Country [Re: Peloquin]
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".....They are called Medical Councils here and they determine whether someone is eligible or not for 100 percent medical coverage provided by the state, due to a prolonged illness that is in no way the fault of the patient."


...in no way the fault of the patient?.....
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