It sucks when the shoe's on the other foot, doesn't it?
Sauce for the Goose:http://www.onondaganation.org/land/faq.html
Nope, no sauce here. Typical tribal web site. The tribe explains their basis for the land claim which they lost and have not updated their web site. Nothing new and nothing about the UN here. I agree they were never defeated per say because I do not think they chose sides in the Revolution. The only thing new is Timbo discovered the Onondaga tribe. http://www.honorindiantreaties.org/get-informed/governing-treaties/
Next link jumps to the Seneca Tribal web site. Their rant is typical Timbo selective style. Heaven forbid they actually post the treaties for people to read as opposed to selective words. They note the Canandaigua treaty guaranteed them free use and enjoyment of their land.
Lets look at the Treaty of Canandaigua: ARTICLE 2.
The United States acknowledge the lands reserved to the Oneida, Onondaga and Cayuga Nations, in their respective treaties with the state of New-York
, and called their reservations, to be their property; and the United States will never claim the same, nor disturb them or either of the Six Nations, nor their Indian friends residing thereon and united with them, in the free use and enjoyment thereof: but the said reservations shall remain theirs, until they choose to sell the same to the people of the United States, who have the right to purchase.
OH, in their respective treaties with the State of New York because these are State reservations under State sovereignty. So, of course, the US would not claim the land. Furthermore the Oneida and Cayuga sold ALL their land to NYS in the NYS treaties and only had a use right to part of the State owned lands.
The United States having thus described and acknowledged what lands belong to the Oneidas, Onondagas, Cayugas and Senekas, and engaged never to claim the same, nor to disturb them, or any of the Six Nations, or their Indian friends residing thereon and united with them, in the free use and enjoyment thereof: Now, the Six Nations, and each of them, hereby engage that they will never claim any other lands within the boundaries of the United States
; nor ever disturb the people of the United States in the free use and enjoyment thereof.
The TRIBES were the ones that broke the treaties.
The Seneka nation, all others of the Six Nations concurring, cede to the United States the right of making a wagon road from Fort Schlosser to Lake Erie, as far south as Buffaloe Creek; and the people of the United States shall have the free and undisturbed use of this road, for the purposes of travelling and transportation. And the Six Nations, and each of them, will forever allow to the people of the United States, a free passage through their lands, and the free use of the harbors and rivers adjoining and within their respective tracts of land, for the passing and securing of vessels and boats, and liberty to land their cargoes where necessary for their safety.
The TRIBES were the ones that broke the treaties.
Also it appears that this treaty was never ratified by the Senate. See American State Papers, Indian Affairs, vol. 1, p. 232.
Ahh, an article in Ray Halbritter's own rag about the Seneca being one of those which spoke at the UN. From the article it states "President Barack Obama announced that the U.S. was ‘lending its support" to the Declaration "but the United States,
which to date has failed to formally adopt the document, has taken no meaningful action,"
That should not have been too hard for you to dig up being that I already told you the same thing and posted
As to the discussion on indigenous people and the UN: that is really all Hollywood hoopla and US laws do not really apply except as a minority status. Even Halbritter's tribal news makes this clear. http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.co...-experts-152114 Laws Needed to Enforce U.N. Declaration
on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples: Legal Experts
Carol Berry 11/7/13
Well, Obama is a lame duck and it is the US Senate which has to approve such, so nothing has changed. Your sauce is getting rather watery with no meat. https://www.nytimes.com/books/first/j/jemison-treaty.html
You really are getting desperate in your Google searches. This is just a book review written by pro tribal supporters with the same big lie theory you use such as in the book review "My point is that a treaty, according to Article 4 of the United States Constitution, is the supreme law of the land." OOPS, Peter selected a few words from the article just like you did. Well, I already exposed that BS. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=470&invol=226
Not even close and you do not even have a clue because you are not from here. But there is a noteworthy footnote: [ Footnote 14 ] Representative Morris, the sponsor of the proviso, stated:
"As it is now, the Indians, as we know, are WARDS
of the Government and, therefore, the statute of limitations does not run against them as it does in the ordinary case. This [proviso] will preserve their rights so that the statute will not be running against them concerning those claims that might have arisen before the passage of this act." 96 Cong. Rec. 12460 (1950).
As cases proceeded the Oneida ended up losing claim to any land and losing any claim to any money BECAUSE of the Statute of limitations. But that was in 2005 and you are genuflecting to yourself relishing over a case that was heard in 1985 which only allowed the case to proceed. There was an Oneida I, II, & III. There was also an Oneida aboriginal claim to the six million acres they sold NYS in addition to these which they lost and did not appeal to SCOTUS.
This is noted in your Wiki link below
"Another Oneida claim, challenging the pre-constitutional conveyance of another 6-million-acre (24,000 km2) tract, was rejected by the Second Circuit in 1988, on the grounds that the Confederation Congress Proclamation of 1783 had neither the authority nor the intent to limit the acquisition of Indian lands within the borders of U.S. states.
That is what I argued with the court appointed attorneys over because both tribes sold ALL their land to the State before the State joined the union." But I already explained that which you chose to ignore.
Evidently you did not pick up a program on Google. If you could actually read and comprehend it you would see that this is NOT even a ruling but rather a remand back to a lower court.
Your sauce has almost burned up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_of_Oneida_v._Oneida_Indian_Nation_of_New_York_State
Oh no, You do know that anyone can post on Wiki and verify their statements with selective facts. The pro global warming promoters did just that throughout Wiki and were exposed a few years ago.
But while I do admit that this is a rather complete write up synopsis it only proves you have proven nothing. That your sauce has burned up and the only sucking sound is your butt sucking in your head. Sucks to be you when you put your shoes on the wrong feet. So much for your other foot and sauce.