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#1338421 - 04/13/12 11:59 PM
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Rich_Tallcot
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/14/us/us-to-pay-1-billion-settlement-to-indian-tribes.html?_r=1
U.S. Will Pay a Settlement of $1 Billion to 41 Tribes
By TIMOTHY WILLIAMS
Published: April 13, 2012
In one of the largest financial settlements made to American Indian tribes, the federal government said this week that it had ended dozens of lawsuits by agreeing to pay tribes more than $1 billion for the mismanagement of funds and natural resources that the government holds in trust.
The Justice Department announced on Wednesday that it had agreed to pay 41 tribes — many in the Western United States - a total of about $1.023 billion because the Interior and Treasury Departments had failed to adequately oversee concessions on Indian lands from companies that exploit a wide variety of resources, including minerals, timber, oil and gas, dating back more than 100 years in some cases.
The Interior Department, which manages about 56 million acres for Indian tribes and oversees more than 100,000 leases on those lands, has long been accused by tribes of doing a poor job of keeping track of the tribal funds it maintains and of not being diligent in collecting fees from companies that hold leases on reservations and elsewhere in Indian country. In addition to administering the land leases, the Interior Department manages about 2,500 trust accounts for more than 250 tribes.
"These settlements fairly and honorably resolve historical grievances over the accounting and management of tribal trust funds, trust lands and other nonmonetary trust resources that, for far too long, have been a source of conflict between Indian tribes and the United States," Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said in a statement.
The Interior Department says it has developed better accounting systems to avoid future problems.
About 60 other similar lawsuits by tribes against the United States have not been settled, the government said.
The amount each tribe will receive is based on a formula that takes into account how much land and money the government held in trust, and the value of the concessions. Tribes holding oil and gas concessions, which are usually of far greater value, generally will receive the most from the settlement.
The Osage tribe of Oklahoma, for example — because of its extensive oil and gas reserves - will get $380 million. The tribe has about 16,000 members.
Among the other 41 tribes receiving money are the Minnesota Chippewa tribe, which has about 40,000 members and will get about $2 million; the Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation in Washington State, which has about 10,000 members and will get $193 million; and the Nez Perce tribe, which has 4,000 members on its Idaho reservation, and will receive $34 million.
Many tribes say they have not decided how to spend the money. In most cases, tribal councils - the elected governing bodies — will have the ultimate authority. Tribes are variously considering making monthly payments to members, establishing loan programs, financing social service groups, improving infrastructure on reservations and undertaking environmental initiatives.
Heather Keen, a spokeswoman for the Coeur d’Alene tribe in Idaho, said that while the tribe was doing well economically - it generates $309 million annually in economic activity, including at a casino resort -the $18 million the 2,000-member tribe will receive represents an important boost.
Large swaths of the tribe's land, she said, were damaged by -clear-cutting in the 1970s and 1980s.
Some tribes will get the money as early as next week, arriving at a time when many reservations rank among the nation's poorest places. About half of the people on the Mescalero Apache reservation in New Mexico, for example, live in poverty. In the 1990s, the tribe considered storing nuclear waste on the reservation because members would have earned about $250 million in payments over 40 years. Now the tribe, which has about 4,000 members, will get $33 million from the settlement.
Chief James Allan, chairman of the Coeur d'Alene tribe, said that despite longstanding tensions between tribes and the federal government, the settlement represented the fairness with which the Obama administration had treated American Indians.
"They have kept their promise to Native Americans to ensure we are heard in Washington," Mr. Allan said. "He has not made treaties with us, but he gave us his word. And his word has been golden."
President Obama signed legislation in December 2010 authorizing payment for a similar, though far larger, settlement for Indians. That money, totaling $3.4 billion, has not been distributed because of several pending lawsuits.
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#1338516 - 04/14/12 04:10 PM
Re: More tribal news
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VM Smith
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Indians lived on the land, much as any animal, human or not, did, until the white animals came, with their surveying skills, and commoditized land.
Then government, and its cheerleaders, supplicants, and enablers, decided that it would be a good idea to put them in open-air concentration camps, AKA, reservations, on mostly crappy land, and that government was also competent and fair enough to manage these unfair things which it had created simply because they were considered sub-human by too many, and not fit to live with whites.
I didn't do it, but the country was conquered and stolen in the time-honored way, but with all the added modern force, and the legal veneer, of a large government, covering it.
Despite what Faulkner said about the past, it's now an accomplished, at least, fact, and will be, as long as the Empire exists.
Blowback's a snarling bitch canid, and we all face her again.
It's high time for some damage control and for what remediation is still possible; none of the non-Indian ethnic groups are going to leave. End the apartheid reservation system. End those laws, and, in some degree, at least, of fairness, buy the Indians out, and accept them fully into the America that now is.
The reservation system isn't good for the Indians, it's not good for my country, America, and it's not even good for the the nation.
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The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it.
John Hay (1872)
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#1339785 - 04/20/12 07:17 PM
Re: More tribal news
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bluezone
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U.S. Will Pay a Settlement of $1 Billion to 41 Tribes
how about the tribes reimburse the USA for all the money paid out to them that was not part of any treaty
the tribes would owe the US a much larger sum
John Stossel: Freeloading doesn't help the freeloader Indians
Wednesday, March 30, 2011
"No group has been more "helped" by the American government than American Indians. Yet no group in America does worse.
Almost a quarter of Native Americans live in poverty. 66 percent are born to single mothers. They have short life spans. Indian activists say the solution is -surprise- more money from the government. But Washington already spends about $13 billion on programs for Indians every year.
There are special programs in 20 different Departments and Agencies: Empowering Tribal Nations Initiative, Advancing Nation to Nation Relationships, Protecting Indian Country, Improving Trust Land Management, New Energy Frontier Initiative, Climate Change Adaptation Initiative, Construction, Improving Trust Management, Tribal Priority Allocations, Resolving Land and Water Claims, Indian Land Consolidation Program. This is just a partial list.
I say government already does too much. Indians would be better off without government handouts. I have evidence: tribes not recognized by the federal government, tribes that get no special help, often do better
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"OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING, A SOLDIER DIED TODAY."
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#1339792 - 04/20/12 07:40 PM
Re: More tribal news
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Ayuveda
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John Stossel's racist attack on tribes as 'freeloaders': A farrago of ignorance and lies
By David Neiwert
April 04, 2011
I grew up a few miles north of the Shoshone-Bannock reservation in southern Idaho, and was exposed as a child to the very visceral bigotry against Native Americans that has been part of the landscape in the West for the past 150 years or more. I remember the bar downtown that had a sign in the window: "No Dogs or Drunk Indians Allowed." I heard them cursed and laughed at, watched them being abused, and watched them destroy themselves with alcohol too.
What was really entrenched, though, was the stereotype: Indians were crazy, unpredictable drunks who were lazy and always looking for a handout.
But over the course of my career as a newspaper reporter in the West, I was assigned coverage of tribal affairs on two different reservations (the Sho-Ban in Idaho and the Flatheads in Montana) and spent large sums of time on other reservations near where I worked and lived, including the Blackfeet res in Montana, the Nez Perce and Coeur d'Alenes in Idaho, and more recently, the Makah res in western Washington.
I learned a lot of things doing that work: I learned that treaty rights are irrevocable and supreme law, and whites can only mess with them at their own peril. I learned that no two tribes are alike: some are wealthy, some are not. I also learned that they all deal with powerful social issues arising from their status as the remnants of people who were the victims of a genocidal campaign of extermination, outrageous deceptions, and a ceaseless treatment by their conquerors as subhuman.
Most of all, I learned that the stereotype was a lie: The people who lived on reservations were often deeply impoverished and there was a high alcoholism rate, but they were very hard workers (though I will say they had their own unique work ethic), highly intelligent, with a great deal of pride. Many of them were capable of climbing out of the morass into which they had been thrown -- but not all. Given the conditions into which they have been born -- deep poverty, a forced inability to make a living as tribes did traditionally (through sustenance hunting and gathering), and the ongoing failure of the federal government to make good on its treaty promises to the tribes -- that shouldn't surprise anyone.
Yet this weekend, on John Stossel's Fox News show, there was Stossel, rehabilitating that lie and giving it fresh clothing: The show, titled "Freeloaders," was all about how those chiseling Indians are constantly on the lookout for bigger handouts, and it clearly implied they were lazy bums whose federal dole should be axed.
It was an expansive version of the remarks he made last weekend along these lines, once again claiming that "no group in America has been more helped by the government than the American Indians ... But 200 years later, no group does worse."
As Nicole noted at the time, it was really a profound display of ignorance, and it intensified this week: Stossel -- like his libertarian idol, Rand Paul -- seems to advocate simply tearing up and abrogating those treaties -- as though that were a legal option. (I also enjoyed how he called the people who are demanding the government live up to those treaties "socialists" -- as if "socialism" existed in the period, 1824-1870, that the vast majority of the these treaties, which promised to provide sustenance help from the federal government in perpetuity, were made.)
Stossel, moreover, seems utterly ignorant of the historical reality that European diseases, fueled by white Americans' malign neglect of Native Americans, in the centuries prior to 1800 wiped out over three-quarters of the indigenous population and thus cleared the way for white settlement of the continent. There were, of course, surviving tribes who resisted futilely -- but they were largely rubbed out and forced onto these reservations. They finally agreed to cease hostilities when the government promised to provide for them.
But those promises, especially in the early years after the treaties were signed, were mostly deceptions intended to "control" the Indians, and for decades the government failed to meet the terms of their treaties, often resulting in mass starvation on the reservations -- followed by uprisings that were always violently suppressed. One such incident resulted in the Wounded Knee Massacre at the very Pine Ridge reservation that Stossel holds up for ridicule:
How much "help from the federal government" can one tribe take?
Stossel's account was also riddled with falsehoods in the particulars of the case he held up as an example -- the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina, who Stossel claims have actually prospered by virtue of the fact that they do not have full federal recognition.
Of course, Stossel doesn't explain that, in fact, the Lumbees became a federally recognized tribe in 1956 -- but the bill doing so contained language restricting them from having reservation land and other benefits of full federal recognition. Lumbee tribal members are in fact fully eligible for a number of federal assistance programs, and the majority of the tribe participates in these special benefits: federal housing assistance, school grants, health services, and the like. Indeed, since they are one of the largest tribes east of the Mississippi, with 50,000 members, the Lumbees rank among the largest recipients of federal tribal-aid dollars in the East.
The biggest lie, though, was the larger picture that Stossel was trying to present: His depiction of the Lumbee community as extraordinarily wealthy and well off focused on a few wildly successful individuals, while ignoring the harsh reality that is life in Lumbee country. For example, Robeson County, the center of Stossel's story, is in fact the poorest county in North Carolina, having a majority nonwhite populace.
You know the town of Pembroke, the community where Stossel shot much of this segment? There, the percentage of families who live below the poverty line is 40.7 percent.
Rob at Newspaper Rock observes:
Let's break it down for Stossel the conservative idiot. The Lumbee tribe has been seeking federal recognition for decades. This means that dozens of elected Lumbee tribal councils have sought federal recognition, which means the majority of Lumbee Indians must support recognition. Compared to that, who cares what somebody named Ben Chavis says?
Most of the nation's 565 recognized tribes could list businesses similar to the three Lumbee successes Stossel lists. Yet not one of them is demanding to be terminated and "set free." Not one of them wants to disband the BIA, sell its reservation, or eliminate its sovereignty. Not one of them is ready to abandon its treaty rights, which is the source of the government programs Stossel mislabels "freeloading."
Once in a while you do hear reactionary Indians who want to sell out their heritage, assimilate into the mainstream, and become just like the white man. I may have heard such calls a few times. Let's say five or so Indians want to do this...and five million or so don't. Stossel may be too stupid to realize it, but he's losing the debate 1,000,000 to one. For every Indian who agrees with him, roughly a million don't.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. What conservatives like Stossel, Bryan Fischer, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Michele Bachmann, Pat Buchanan, Rand Paul, et al. are doing is obvious--to me, at least. These Tea Party Republicans are launching hateful, racist attacks on Indians and other minorities to see what they can get away with. It's like launching a trial balloon for white supremacy.
That sounds on the money to me.
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/john-stossels-racist-attack-tribes-f
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Sometimes, tear gas can make you see better.
-graffiti in Athens
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#1339814 - 04/20/12 09:18 PM
Re: More tribal news
[Re: Ayuveda]
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Rich_Tallcot
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Again, none of your cry me a river applies to New York State or the Iroquois tribes.
David Neiwert's race card is just that and it does not fly here.
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#1339818 - 04/20/12 09:36 PM
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Rich_Tallcot
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4/17/2012 WISCONSIN
SHAWANO LEADER NEWSPAPER:
Land-to-trust deal put on hold
Residents say deal gives away too much
By Lee Pulaski
The Shawano County Board of Supervisors sent a deal that would resolve land-to-trust issues with the Stockbridge-Munsee Tribe for the next 10 years back to committee Tuesday.
The agreement left too many questions on supervisors' minds following a lengthy closed-door session, especially after residents from the towns of Red Springs and Bartelme opposing the deal filled the boardroom and spilled into the hallway.
The deal would have given the county $140,000 annually for the next 10 years, including $15,000 annual installments each for the two towns and the Bowler and Gresham school districts. In exchange, the county would agree not to oppose the tribe on any applications to turn land it owns into trust land, which takes it off the county tax rolls.
A caveat to the original proposal was that none of the funds would be used to oppose land-to-trust arrangements, which Red Springs has indicated it will do. The Tribal Affairs Committee, in a special meeting prior to the board meeting, approved language that said the money would be yanked if the towns or school districts ever took such action.
"This language not only clarifies the issue, it does not hurt the tribe and encourages the towns/districts to comply or lose the funds," Corporation Counsel Tony Kordus said in a memo to the committee.
Supervisor Bill Letter said during the committee meeting that he did not see a problem with the agreement, noting that the concerns of the two towns are not necessarily the concerns of the other county municipalities.
"There are 40,000 people in Shawano County, and only 3,000 against. I would like to think that the majority rules," Letter said.
Not everybody saw it that way.
Ron Schumacher, who lives in Shawano but owns land in Bartelme, told the board it was unclear how much land would be put into trust, as the agreement does not include a cap. He said his research showed the tribe owns more than 3,100 acres not in trust.
Schumacher estimated the county could lose more than $3 million over the next 10 years in taxes, even after the $1.4 million provided by the tribe.
Frank Kowalkowski, an attorney hired by Red Springs, pointed out that the agreement is unenforceable because it does not include a waiver of sovereign immunity. If the tribe opts to not abide by the agreement, its sovereignty would prevent the county or any of the affected municipalities from suing, he said.
Kowalkowski pointed out an instance with existing trust land that cut off a Red Springs resident's access to her land. That is one of numerous jurisdictional concerns that Red Springs has in allowing the tribe to convert taxable land to trust land, he said.
"It is the first step toward the elimination of the two towns," Kowalkowski said. "The town of Red Springs is 100 percent within the former reservation (as it existed in the mid-1800s). If all of that land ... is eventually acquired, there is no jurisdiction, there is no revenue, there is no town."
Supervisor Milton Marquardt said after the closed-door session that some supervisors wanted to see a map of existing Stockbridge-Munsee owned land to see what kind of an impact the agreement would have on the two towns.
Lonnie Schreiber, Red Springs town chairman, said the towns and school districts will face revenue problems when the agreement ends and the land is off the tax rolls.
"What is $15,000 per year in exchange for giving away the sovereignty of Bartelme and Red Springs?" Schreiber said. "This is very disturbing, and it is just one of many concerns in this agreement."
Stockbridge-Munsee Tribal Chairman Bill Chicks urged the County Board prior to its discussion to keep in mind all of the cooperative projects the tribe and county have worked on in recent years. He said there are benefits to the agreement that opponents may not see but did not elaborate.
"We hope that this is a new era, and we do believe this is an agreement that doesn't just benefit one or two or three. This is a benefit for the whole county," Chicks said.
VIDEO OF APRIL 17TH SHAWANO COUNTY BOARD MEETING: http://www.co.shawano.wi.us/videos/
Speakers start about 73 minutes and attorney Frank Kowalkowski, an expert on fee to trust, starts at 93 minutes. Elaine Willman, author of Going to Pieces. at 111 and ends at 113.
The Schawano County board needs more than educating, they need replacing. They meet in closed door sessions with the tribal government between meetings.
When some of us suggested switching law firms with the anticipation that the DOI would accept the Cayuga trust application, I asked Frank if he would consider and he said yes. But the catch of having to get both counties to agree on the same law firm based on the land claim case where the state said they would only pay if the counties agreed killed the idea. Roger Mills was the Cayuga County chair at the time and he would not even consider leaving Harris Beach.
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#1340124 - 04/22/12 02:15 PM
Re: More tribal news
[Re: Ayuveda]
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Rich_Tallcot
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Again, none of your cry me a river applies to New York State or the Iroquois tribes.
David Neiwert's race card is just that and it does not fly here.
Unless it's John Stossel's Native BASHING as posted above by Bluezone. Right Richie? Try following the thread next time.
Stossel's segment on NA tribes was one of several covering freeloaders and did not single them out as the only segment. The freeloading series was a slam against the federal government and its idiotic policies that ultimately killed incentive to work or be honest.
FREELOADERS: A John Stossel Fox News Special some of the footage was used in the old freeloaders in 2006 on 20/20 you can see it here at http://www.youtube.com at the end of the clip Some Americans actually make a living - begging for money. Professional panhandlers, they're called, sometimes making more than $100 in a day. I tried it in Manhattan, and made over $11 in one hour- that would be $23000 a year-tax free! It's a small example of why some said that the USA is turning into a nation of freeloaders. The Manhattan Institute's Heather MacDonald says that beggars she's encountered "have the most deep-seated sense of entitlement that I've ever come across." From those defaulting on their home mortgages, to those who see lawsuits as a lottery ticket, many Americans live off the hard work of others. I look at how government turns people into freeloaders Did you know that any black person who has farmed or "attempted to farm" can collect $50000 from the Federal government? "Attempted to farm could mean anything," says black farmer Jimmy Dismuke, "My little three year old grandson could attempt it." We'll introduce you to a woman who hasn't paid her mortgage in 25 years... and doesn't ever intend to. I confront the founders of "youwalkaway.com", a website dedicated to advising people on how to walk away from their home mortgages . Some of America's biggest recipients of handouts are rich people. The biggest corporate freeloaders may be the biggest industrial corporation in the world.
As John says No group has been more "helped" by the American government than American Indians. Yet no group in America does worse. Do you deny either statement? Is this what YOU call bashing?
John says Almost a quarter of Native Americans live in poverty. 66 percent are born to single mothers. Do you deny THIS statement? Is this what YOU call bashing?
They have short life spans. Do you deny THIS statement? Is this what YOU call bashing?
Washington already spends about $13 billion on programs for Indians every year. Do you deny THIS statement? Is this what YOU call bashing?
There are special programs in 20 different Departments and Agencies: Empowering Tribal Nations Do you deny THIS statement? Is this what YOU call bashing?
Freeloading Homeless Panhandling $23,000 a year tax free
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OQjlzh279E
Freeloading Spongers http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xn5mq_freeloaders-with-john-stossel-1of3_news
Freeloading Corporations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlVmNFi0HOI
Freeloading Rich People
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxrTvvpwbfo
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4607769/america-becoming-a-nation-of-freeloaders
David Neiwert remembers racist actions and his version of the stereotype as crazy, unpredictable drunks who were lazy and always looking for a handout. Do you deny THIS statement? Is this what YOU call bashing? If it IS, then you should realize that it was David and not John that said such a thing.
Did John Stossel stereotype Indians with such a statement or is David just remembering his younger days?
David Neiwert said he learned a lot of things as a newspaper reporter. He said that he learned that treaty rights are irrevocable and supreme law, Well, to begin with, he got that one wrong because any treaty is an act of Congress that can be superseded or revoked by any post- treaty act of congress.
The 1904 Panama Canal Treaty granted the US control over the canal and in 1977 Jimmy Carter gave control to panama. Here today, gone tomorrow.
Neiwert learned that no two tribes are alike: He adds a little cry me a river in here, but people are people and they are not going to be alike. As a tribal member, I am surprised it is something he had to learn.
Most of all, Neiwert learned that the stereotype was a lie: But it was Neiwert and NOT Stossel that claimed this was a stereotype.
David says The people who lived on reservations were often deeply impoverished and there was a high alcoholism rate.
John implied that The people who lived on reservations were often deeply impoverished even though the feds were giving them billions of dollars and I do not recall as he brought up the high alcoholism rate, which is itself the effects of low self esteem and lack of purpose.
David adds but they were very hard workers but also adds the qualifier (though I will say they had their own unique work ethic),
He might better have left out the qualifier because many are hard workers.
highly intelligent, with a great deal of pride.
Many of them were capable of climbing out of the morass into which they had been thrown -- but not all.
Given the conditions into which they have been born -- deep poverty,
Yet, David himself said earlier that no two are alike and admitted there are many wealthy tribes. So which is it? Sounds like life to me and it does not matter what race one is.
David adds and a forced inability to make a living as tribes did traditionally (through sustenance hunting and gathering), Well, David is really saying here that they are incompetent because they have not genetically advanced. We all know that is not true, which is why the federal programs John exposes are detrimental.
And David wraps with a failure of the federal government to make good on its treaty promises to the tribes. What treaty, what tribe, generalities do not mean squat and each and every scenario is different. As we have asked here, what clause or paragraph applies to any claim?
Then David jumps on John again claiming Stossel was rehabilitating that lie all about how those chiseling Indians are constantly on the lookout for bigger handouts, and it clearly implied they were lazy bums whose federal dole should be axed.
WHAT lie? Did John tell a lie? Did John say "chiseling Indians"? Yet, David finished the sentence with the word IMPLIED they were lazy.
David claims it was implied because it gave further examples of his statement that "no group in America has been more helped by the government than the American Indians ... But 200 years later, no group does worse." Yet, that statement itself is true when it comes to TRIBAL GOVERNMENTS.
John may well have failed to note the difference between tribal governments and Indians. There IS a huge difference.
Another thing David thinks he learned in his tirade against anyone promoting equality under the law "I also enjoyed how he called the people who are demanding the government live up to those treaties "socialists" -- as if "socialism" existed in the period, 1824-1870."
As is often the case racists, such as David, make general historical statements as fact when they are in fact wrong. Socialist Lewis Cohen, born 1800, was quite active as well as Eduard Bernstein (born January 6, 1850 - 18 December 1932) was a German social democratic theoretician and politician, a member of the SPD, and the founder of evolutionary socialism and revisionism.
But the period1824-1870 in reference to the majority of treaty making is really of little significance in reference to the socialism mentioned by John. For it was the socialist Felix Cohen that drafted the Indian Reorganization Act in 1924 under which most tribes reorganized. Any act of Congress which post dates any treaty, supersedes that treaty.
The profound display of ignorance appears to be on the part of Neiwert.
Then he claims that Stossel is ignorant because he did not reiterate the standard tribal sob story and I do not deny many got treated less than human, but the sob stories do not apply to New York.
The caption under the photo How much "help from the federal government" can one tribe take? is very fitting because that is what was killing them then and also now as far as the Indians themselves go, but not the tribal governments.
Yet, the tribal governments ask for more and Stossel exemplifies the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina.
But David himself admits that the Lumbees only became a federally recognized tribe in 1956 but the bill doing so contained language restricting them from having reservation land and other benefits of full federal recognition. However, David does not explain that was because they bought enough congressional votes to circumvent the standard procedure for becoming a tribe through the BIA, because they DO NOT QUALIFY to be a tribe.
However Lumbee tribal members are in fact fully eligible for a number of federal assistance programs, and the majority of the tribe participates in these special benefits: federal housing assistance, school grants, health services, and the like. Indeed, since they are one of the largest tribes east of the Mississippi, with 50,000 members, the Lumbees rank among the largest recipients of federal tribal-aid dollars in the East.
I think David unwittingly justified John's arguments rather well.
But David follows through by giving the example that Robeson County, the center of Stossel's story, is in fact the poorest county in North Carolina, having a majority nonwhite populace.
Yes, indeed, that is the standard rhetoric from tribal governments because as Scott Kayla Morrison explained the tribal governments keep the lion's share of the funding and the members are kept poor so the government can cry for more money. There has been many a tribal member explain that and John is not the first.
Neiwert continues with his name calling, so obviously his job with newspapers was not that of a true journalist, but more likely that of a tribal newspaper zealot that kept his job only as long as he printed what the tribe wanted printed.
I do not doubt that many alleged Lumbees wanted tribal recognition to get something for nothing. And as John pointed out, now they want more.
Then David jumps to the standard generalization referring to the nation's 565 recognized tribes even though he started by saying each one was different.
He defends tribal governments but the only comment he has in reference to the members is his off the wall guess that only about 5 in 5 million renounce their tribal membership.
For many reasons it is extremely difficult emotionally as well as financially to do so. But if I know more than 5, his off the wall guess is obviously low.
But Neiwert does not even mention their shedding the status of being a non-competent federal instrumentality or their gaining of Constitutional rights, but his racist rant accuses them of becoming just like whites.
Then he goes on further rants of naming and name calling accusing those against apartheid of being hateful and racist with accusations of white supremacy.
Neiwert's agenda is obvious and what he dislikes mostly are the truths being exposed.
Try following the facts and not the propaganda next time.
And still none of the cry me a river applies to New York State or the Iroquois tribes.
David Neiwert's race card is just that and it does not fly here.
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#1340657 - 04/24/12 11:59 PM
Re: More tribal news
[Re: Ayuveda]
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Rich_Tallcot
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Loc: Union Springs, New York
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Patchak case heard today by SCOTUS
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CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: Do other consequences other than the ability of the Secretary to take land in trust flow from whether or not a tribe is recognized in 1934?
Roberts GETS IT. It was brought out that the tribe did not qualify and the DOI ignored the Carceri ruling anyway.
Any bets whether US sovereign immunity will stand?
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#1341701 - 04/30/12 07:59 AM
Re: More tribal news
[Re: bluezone]
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wooden nickel
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For those who might be interested: Check out "Albany Times Union.com" The article "Indian Cigarette Chaos".
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