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#1031621 --- 05/31/09 04:11 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Santa_Cruzer]
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Do you expect Paterson to run for the same position?
Impeach........

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#1031641 --- 05/31/09 04:28 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Do you expect Paterson to run for the same position?
Impeach........




Doubtful he makes a run. Think impeachment is off the table though considering the current political climate.
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#1031656 --- 05/31/09 04:46 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Santa_Cruzer]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Paterson needs to collect the tribal taxes.

Originally Posted By: Santa_Cruzer

Ain't happening anytime soon.


Originally Posted By: bluezone
Do you expect Paterson to run for the same position?
Impeach........

Originally Posted By: Santa_cruzer
Doubtful he makes a run. Think impeachment is off the table though considering the current political climate.


Then how can you predict that the next Governor will not collect the tribal taxes?

(ps-the taxes are being collected by the tax paying business after the indian store was raided)



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#1031661 --- 05/31/09 04:52 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Paterson needs to collect the tribal taxes.

Originally Posted By: Santa_Cruzer

Ain't happening anytime soon.


Originally Posted By: bluezone
Do you expect Paterson to run for the same position?
Impeach........

Originally Posted By: Santa_cruzer
Doubtful he makes a run. Think impeachment is off the table though considering the current political climate.


Then how can you predict that the next Governor will not collect the tribal taxes?

(ps-the taxes are being collected by the tax paying business after the indian store was raided)





Think he'll maintain a hands off approach. We'll see.
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#1031664 --- 05/31/09 04:56 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Santa_Cruzer]
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Originally Posted By: Santa_Cruzer
Think he'll maintain a hands off approach. We'll see.


What about she?
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#1031672 --- 05/31/09 05:08 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Santa_Cruzer
Think he'll maintain a hands off approach. We'll see.


What about she?


Tad presumptuous ain't we? First things first.
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#1031883 --- 06/01/09 04:37 AM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Santa_Cruzer]
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Originally Posted By: Santa_Cruzer
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Santa_Cruzer
Think he'll maintain a hands off approach. We'll see.


What about she?

Tad presumptuous ain't we? First things first.

Sounds like you are.

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#1032211 --- 06/01/09 07:34 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Santa_Cruzer
Originally Posted By: bluezone
[quote=Santa_Cruzer]Think he'll maintain a hands off approach. We'll see.


What about she?

Tad presumptuous ain't we? First things first.

Sounds like you are.

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My Bad. Who is the 'she'?
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#1032442 --- 06/02/09 08:47 AM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Santa_Cruzer]
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Who is the he?
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#1032487 --- 06/02/09 12:10 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Who is the he?

His mother...
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#1033849 --- 06/05/09 10:46 AM Re: $2 Billion Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Daily Policy Digest

State & Local Issues / State & Local taxes

Tuesday, January 13, 2004

Once a gambling enriched-tribe acquires land, the new "reservation" becomes a sovereign nation, exempt from all local and state laws, zoning ordinances, labor rules, environmental reviews, and American rules of due process and fair play in law enforcement, says Jan Golab. In addition, the "reservation" and business built on it, including a casino, has complete tax exemption. This policy erodes the local tax base and reduces government revenues.

Because of the numbers of casinos established in California, this poses a serious problem for the state's struggling economy:


In 2002, revenues from newly built casinos in California soared to $5 billion per year -- but the casinos paid virtually nothing to the state.
The Supreme Court has ruled that Indians must collect sales tax from customers who are not Indians, but nearly all tribal businesses ignore this rule, resulting in the undercutting of competing non-Indian businesses.
Although they pay little in taxes, gaming tribes seek to influence the political process -- spending over $120 million to push their candidates and ballot initiatives in recent years. That is more than George W. Bush spent nationwide to be elected President.

The impact is just as grave in other states, says Golab:


In Oklahoma, $580 million in annual sales and property taxes are lost to Indians in the state.




New York lost $895 million in 2002 by failing to collect taxes on cigarettes sold by Indians.




Because of the erosion of state and local tax base, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has taken on the Indian gaming industry in California and is asking that they contribute 25 percent of their earnings to the state, or approximately $1 billion.

Source: Jan Golab, "Arnold Schwarzenegger Girds For Indian War," American Enterprise, January/February 2004, American Enterprise Institute.

For more on American Enterprise
http://www.taemag.com

For more on State & Local taxes
http://www.ncpa.org/iss/sta/

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Do we want to have higher budget problems like California?


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#1035954 --- 06/10/09 07:30 AM Re: $2 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: HarleyBobT]
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Is Paterson still in office?
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#1036927 --- 06/12/09 07:36 AM Re: $2 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Cayuga Indian Nation land trust dispute
Updated: 06/12/2009 06:04 AM
By: Bill Carey

AUBURN, N.Y. -- The message from a host of Cayuga County officials was a simple one. If the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs agrees to allow the Cayuga Indians to place land into federal trust, tax losses for local schools and governments will be substantial and local businesses competing with Indian enterprises will be hurt.

“This is any business. Towing businesses. This is garages. Anything that can operate tax free on land in trust land can certainly affect the businesses here,” said Cayuga County legislator David Axton.

And the officials say they have numbers to back up their claims. Just last year, Cayuga and Seneca County authorities shut down cigarette sales by two service stations operated by the Cayuga Nation, claiming they were evading tax laws. The county has surveyed other convenience stores in the area and says most have seen increases in cigarette sales of 20 to 40 percent since that shutdown. They estimate they may have been losing millions in tax revenues prior to the action.

Cayuga and Seneca counties were the first to take action to disrupt cigarette sales by an Indian nation. They were hoping the message would be clear in Albany.

Governor Paterson has already signed legislation calling for collection of taxes on Indian cigarette sales and, in Cayuga County, they say a state facing billions in red ink should look at the potential windfall.

Cayuga Indian Nation land trust dispute
The long running dispute over land claims by the Cayuga Indians and the insistence of Cayuga and Seneca counties on their rights to tax revenues is about to heat up again. At issue, the Cayugas move to have the federal government allow 130 acres of land to be put into federal trust, exempting it from local taxes. Our Bill Carey says the campaign to block the move is underway.

“You're talking $30 million from two little convenience stores . You multiply that, times the Smoking Joes, 110 of those, the Sav-Ons in Oneida, the Long Island, all the millions of cigarettes they're selling down there, it's about a billion dollars in taxes a year that the state's missing out on ,” said Cayuga County District Attorney Jon Budelmann.

Some counties have opened negotiations with various Indian groups hoping to settle land claims and tax issues. Cayuga County hasn't taken that route.

“We have no discussions going on in the legislature about any kind of settlement,” said Cayuga County Legislature Chairman Peter Tortorici.

The case against sovereignty and against placement of land into trust, they say, is clear.

The hearing by the Bureau of Indian Affairs is due on June 17th in Seneca Falls.
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#1043195 --- 06/25/09 06:09 PM Re: $2 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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When the Oneidas are denied trust so will the Cayugas.
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#1045939 --- 07/01/09 02:34 PM Re: $2 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Court sides with Sherrill
Supreme Court justices rule 8-1
Oneida Nation must pay tax to city
Wed, Mar 30, 2005
R. PATRICK CORBETT Observer-Dispatch

The Oneida Indian Nation must pay taxes on its property in the city of Sherrill and potentially on all land it has bought outside of its 32-acre reservation in Madison County, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Tuesday. In an 8-1 decision, the court ruled that the New York Oneidas cannot disrupt two centuries of local development by refusing to pay local taxes on a gas station and T-shirt factory it owns in Sherrill in Oneida County. New York City lawyer Ira Sacks, who pleaded Sherrill's case pro bono, said, "We were very pleased. The Supreme Court agreed with the principal argument that after 200 years ... the Oneida Indian Nation can't pick and choose places to buy and take it out of local jurisdiction." The justices also remarked on the "distinctly non-Indian character of the area and its inhabitants," because most Oneida Indians moved out of the area about 150 years ago.



Have we forgot?
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#1046093 --- 07/02/09 05:10 AM Re: $2 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Police break up New York-Ohio pot smuggling ring

by The Post-Standard Wednesday July 01, 2009, 9:57 PM

MALONE, N.Y. (AP) -- Authorities say they've broken up a drug ring linked to Russian organized crime that smuggled as much as $27 million worth of marijuana through New York's St. Regis Mohawk Reservation to the Cleveland area over the past three years.

Five of those arrested are from New York and three from Ohio. They all face felony drug charges.

Franklin County District Attorney Derek Champagne (SHAM'-payn) says investigators seized $1.3 million in cash and 14 vehicles during raids in St. Lawrence and Franklin counties along the Canadian border in New York and in Beachwood, Ohio. Investigators also recovered a pound of cocaine.

The investigation is continuing and Champagne says Wednesday more state and federal charges will be filed against the suspects
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#1047775 --- 07/07/09 07:22 AM Re: $2 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Paterson go after the source.
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#1049388 --- 07/11/09 02:20 AM Re: $2 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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NY states inaction.
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#1049428 --- 07/11/09 03:54 AM Re: $2 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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#1049476 --- 07/11/09 07:07 AM Re: $2 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Scottie2Hottie]
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Is your land on the Cayuga or any other tribes "reservation"?

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