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#1024163 --- 05/14/09 03:44 PM Re: Another Land Claim Bites the Dust [Re: BJ Radford]
Driver8 Offline
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Nice dodge there.

I didn't say who the onus should or shouldn't be on.

I was responding to your argument that the website didn't show any Cayuga donations. I said that the exemption meant that we really don't know how much money the Cayugas might be giving to state and federal political campaigns.

You didn't address that. Instead you tried to shift the discussion to whether or not politicians should report their donations.

By the way, is the Cayuga's lawyer (French) still a federal lobbyist on the side? Are you going to tell me that he isn't lobbying the feds for your tribe?

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#1024189 --- 05/14/09 04:58 PM Re: Another Land Claim Bites the Dust [Re: Driver8]
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The obligation to report donations is on the CANDIDATE, not the donors:

Here are the links to campaign disclosure reports:

http://www.elections.state.ny.us/DisclosureReports.html

http://www.fec.gov/disclosure.shtml
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#1024991 --- 05/16/09 08:41 AM Re: Another Land Claim Bites the Dust [Re: BJ Radford]
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Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
You have no idea how much research I have done.


Research why the tribe must get trust land and then you will understand that the reservation that they speak no longer exists.
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#1025127 --- 05/16/09 01:02 PM Re: Another Land Claim Bites the Dust [Re: bluezone]
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Research why the tribe must get trust land and then you will understand that the reservation that they speak no longer exists.


And it did not have to be disestablished by Congress because it was never a Federal Reservation. It was a state reservation that was mentioned in the Treaty of Canandaigua as a state reservation already in existance at the time of the treaty. The Federal government did state they would not interfere with this state reservation and was theirs until they chose to sell it. Which they did 200+ years ago to NYS. This acknowledgement did not make the state reservation a Federal Reservation. None of the 10 recognized tribes ever had a Federal Reservation. NYS being one of the original 13 colonies is also Sovereign and had the power to deal directly with the tribes at the time the land was sold back to them.


Edited by SilverFox (05/16/09 01:04 PM)
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#1025419 --- 05/17/09 03:21 AM Re: Another Land Claim Bites the Dust [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
BJ: "but you know that poem - they came for a guy and I did nothing, then they came for the next guy and I did nothing.....you know how it ends."

THANK YOU. YES, WE KNOW. THAT'S WHY WE TAKE THE POSITION WE DO.

BJ: "Apparently it is a fact that it will not happen based on the Narragansett decision."

"APPARENTLY" SURE SOUNDS LIKE AN OPINION. IT IS A FACT THEY WERE NOT ON THE FEDERAL RECOGNITION LIST IN 1934. THEY CAN ARGUE THEY WERE A TREATY TRIBE, BUT SCOTUS HAS NOT RULED ON THAT AND THE MAJORITY DID NOT SIDE WITH THAT OPINION. IT IS A FACT THE RESERVATIONS IN NEW YOUR STATE ARE NOT FEDERAL. THE Narragansett decision CAN BE FOUND AT http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/08pdf/07-526.pdf

BJ: "You forgot to mention create 70 jobs - the economic impacts of those jobs - payments to local vendors."

MOST JOBS WERE MERELY REPLACED WITH A NEW EMPLOYER DRIVING OUT OTHER JOBS - THE ECONOMIC IMPACT HAS RESULTED IN A $26 MILLION A YEAR LOSS IN TAX REVENUE - AND THE PAYMENTS TO THE LOCAL VENDORS WERE BEING MADE BY THE BUSINESSES THE CAYUGA REPLACED.

AS I RECALL THE LAST SETTLEMENT, IT WAS FOUNDED ON A CASINO IN THE CATSKILLS FROM WHICH ALL THE REVENUE WAS GOING TO COME TO PAY FOR THE LOST TAX REVENUE. AS BRIAN LAUDADIO FINALLY ADMITTED, IF THE CASINO DEAL FELL THROUGH WE WOULD STILL HAVE A TEN THOUSAND ACRE RESERVATION WITH NO INCOME OFFSET TO THE COUNTIES. THAT WAS THE DEAL THE COUNTIES VOTED NO ON. THE CASINO DEAL FELL THROUGH.

BJ: "Why hasn't such a black and white, factual issue been resolved long ago?"

THE LAND CLAIM WAS RESOLVED. THE COURT VOICED THEIR OPINION THAT THE CAYUGA TRIBE LOST THEIR LAND CLAIM IN 2005. THEIR OPINION MATTERS. THE TRUST PROCESS IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE AND ALWAYS EXPANDS SETTLEMENTS. WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS ANYWAY. THE TRUST ISSUE IS FOUR YEARS OLD. THE TAX ISSUE BEING DEALT WITH BY THE COUNTIES IS ONLY FIVE MONTHS OLD. HOW LONG AGO IS LONG AGO?

NOTE FOR TRUMP: IT IS OUR OWN CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS THAT SUPPORT THIS SYSTEM. THE TRIBES ARE MERELY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT. SCOTUS IS THE ONLY ENTITY THAT HAS NOT BEEN TAINTED WITH CASINO BACKERS AND CAMPAIGN DONATIONS.


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#1025931 --- 05/18/09 08:08 AM Re: Another Land Claim Bites the Dust [Re: SilverFox]
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Originally Posted By: grinch
Originally Posted By: grinch
There was an article in the Finger Lakes Times concerning the release of the Impact statement if Trust status granted.

I tried the url published in the paper in order to reach the No Cayuga Land into trust and found it was not working properly.

Here is the correct url for that web site where you can express your views and opposition. I expect they will keep it up dated as matters unfold between now and July 4th. It is mentioned in the article that your comments are critical so take the time to click on the url, look for the area to comment and speak your mind. Do not worry about spelling or grammer.

Note the DEIS Impact study is now posted on that web site. It is a lengthy read, spend a little time and inform yourself of what is being proposed.

http://www.nocayugalandintotrust.net/

From the above web site:

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How to Comment

You may mail, hand carry or telefax written comments on the DEIS to:
Franklin Keel, Regional Director
Eastern Regional Office
Bureau of Indian Affairs
545 Marriott Drive
Suite 700
Nashville, Tennesse 37214
Telefax: 615-564-6701

Please include your name, return address and the caption, "DEIS Comments, Cayuga Indian Nation of New York Trust Acquistion Project," on the first page of your written comments.

You may also comment to Seneca and Cayuga Counties via this website, and/or submit written comments to your county representative.

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