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#1031670 --- 05/31/09 05:05 PM Re: Legislators mount land-trust opposition [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Santa_Cruzer
Originally Posted By: bluezone

Have you renounced your US citizenship yet?


No.


And why not?



Why should I? Did all Germans flee Hitler's regime?
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#1031732 --- 05/31/09 07:17 PM Re: Legislators mount land-trust opposition [Re: SilverFox]
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I can see the casinos in Siberia now.
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#1031740 --- 05/31/09 07:26 PM Re: Legislators mount land-trust opposition [Re: bluezone]
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You actually ARE a racist....how SHOCKING indeed!

Hey Troll I am not a racist just some one who does not like paying more than my share of tax's when groups are taking advantage of us. Unlike your backward look at life, I do care if I lose money. If your so displeased with your life in the USA do something about it. move. please .
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#1031863 --- 06/01/09 04:21 AM Re: Legislators mount land-trust opposition [Re: Santa_Cruzer]
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Originally Posted By: Santa_Cruzer

Why should I? Did all Germans flee Hitler's regime?


Are you comparing present day USA to hitler?
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#1031864 --- 06/01/09 04:22 AM Re: Legislators mount land-trust opposition [Re: pixie]
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Originally Posted By: pixie
You actually ARE a racist....how SHOCKING indeed!

Hey Troll I am not a racist just some one who does not like paying more than my share of tax's when groups are taking advantage of us. Unlike your backward look at life, I do care if I lose money. If your so displeased with your life in the USA do something about it. move. please .


This is directed at Santa?
correct?
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#1031986 --- 06/01/09 08:03 AM Re: Legislators mount land-trust opposition [Re: bluezone]
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sorry yes santa the troll who is missing a few troll parts, he is the original euro trash settler lol lol
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#1032434 --- 06/02/09 08:21 AM Re: Legislators mount land-trust opposition [Re: Santa_Cruzer]
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If 20,000 acres comes off the taxes roles who will make up the difference?
If hundreds of millions of untaxed gas and cigs are sold does this not effect the local and state economy?
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#1033855 --- 06/05/09 10:51 AM Re: Legislators mount land-trust opposition [Re: newsman38]
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Lawmakers in Cayuga, Seneca counties plan to organize opposition to Cayuga Indian Nation's land-into-trust plans

Lawmakers from Cayuga and Seneca counties are planning a joint meeting Monday to start mounting opposition to the Cayuga Indian Nation's bid for federal trust land.

The meeting was called after both counties received the Cayugas' draft environmental impact statement, which supports the nation's trust application.

The Cayugas have asked the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs to place into trust 125 acres of ancestral land they own. The trust designation would make the land sovereign and tax-free forever.

In the document, which The Post-Standard obtained Thursday, the Cayugas restate their plan to re-establish their sovereign homeland around Cayuga Lake and to reopen their Class II video gaming halls in Union Springs and Seneca Falls.

"The reestablishment of gaming facilities as a revenue source is critical to the nation's fiscal and cultural well-being," the document says.

As part of the application process, the BIA has scheduled a public hearing on the trust application next month. It will be held at the New York State Chiropractic College in Seneca Falls on June 17, and the BIA will accept written comments from May 22 to July 6.

"I think this is a very critical time for us to get out the opposition to putting that land into trust," Cayuga County Legislature Chairman Peter Tortorici said.

Syracuse lawyer Daniel French, who represents the Cayugas, said the nation is pleased the application process is moving forward. He also said he believes it is only a matter of time before the Cayugas' land is placed into trust.

The counties, joined by the Cayuga-Seneca chapter of Upstate Citizens for Equality, say awarding trust land to the Cayugas will put a greater tax burden on other property owners and give the nation a competitive edge over businesses that have to pay taxes.

"It's just not a fair ballgame," said UCE Chairman Richard Tallcot.

Legislators plan to mount land-trust opposition in Cayuga, Seneca counties.
Friday, May 15, 2009
By Scott Rapp



Will Paterson and AG Cuomo be there to support the county and state?


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#1033867 --- 06/05/09 11:04 AM Re: Legislators mount land-trust opposition [Re: bluezone]
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I seriously doubt they would show their faces.
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#1033869 --- 06/05/09 11:06 AM Re: Legislators mount land-trust opposition [Re: SilverFox]
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It is their job to represent NY taxpayers.
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#1033957 --- 06/05/09 02:19 PM Re: Legislators mount land-trust opposition [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
It is their job to represent NY taxpayers.


You mean 'to enforce state laws'.

Sticky biz, dealing with other nations in ones back yard ain't it?
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#1033964 --- 06/05/09 02:54 PM Re: Legislators mount land-trust opposition [Re: Santa_Cruzer]
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Originally Posted By: Santa_Cruzer
Originally Posted By: bluezone
It is their job to represent NY taxpayers.


You mean 'to enforce state laws'.

Sticky biz, dealing with other nations in ones back yard ain't it?


The state law is that Native Americans must pay sales tax on any item not sold to another member of their tribe. Not enforcing those law means they are not doing their job.
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#1033995 --- 06/05/09 03:43 PM Re: Legislators mount land-trust opposition [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: Santa_Cruzer
Originally Posted By: bluezone
It is their job to represent NY taxpayers.


You mean 'to enforce state laws'.

Sticky biz, dealing with other nations in ones back yard ain't it?


The state law is that Native Americans must pay sales tax on any item not sold to another member of their tribe. Not enforcing those law means they are not doing their job.


So. Why do you suppose the Gov. hasn't jumped into the fray?
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#1033997 --- 06/05/09 03:44 PM Re: Legislators mount land-trust opposition [Re: Santa_Cruzer]
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Originally Posted By: Santa_Cruzer
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Santa_Cruzer
Originally Posted By: bluezone
It is their job to represent NY taxpayers.


You mean 'to enforce state laws'.

Sticky biz, dealing with other nations in ones back yard ain't it?


The state law is that Native Americans must pay sales tax on any item not sold to another member of their tribe. Not enforcing those law means they are not doing their job.


So. Why do you suppose the Gov. hasn't jumped into the fray?


As grinch says the Indians are paying them off.
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#1033999 --- 06/05/09 03:45 PM Re: Legislators mount land-trust opposition [Re: kyle585]
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you know santa if you play that nation card to much it just may well backfire, the usa could isolate you , turn off the power , water, and health systems, stop paying billions to educate , feed and provide for the so called nations. With 50 seperate indian nations in the usa they would fight each other for every little casino or gas sales. Its smart to not bite the hand that feeds you. Have you applied to the UN yet.
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#1034005 --- 06/05/09 03:51 PM Re: Legislators mount land-trust opposition [Re: kyle585]
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Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Santa_Cruzer
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Santa_Cruzer
Originally Posted By: bluezone
It is their job to represent NY taxpayers.


You mean 'to enforce state laws'.

Sticky biz, dealing with other nations in ones back yard ain't it?


The state law is that Native Americans must pay sales tax on any item not sold to another member of their tribe. Not enforcing those law means they are not doing their job.


So. Why do you suppose the Gov. hasn't jumped into the fray?


As grinch says the Indians are paying them off.



"Indians are paying them off."

Then, of course you've ALREADY notified the attorney generals office of YOUR knowledge that New York State officials are accepting pay-offs from Native Nation(s)? Is that correct Kyle?

What was their response?
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#1034117 --- 06/05/09 11:30 PM Re: Legislators mount land-trust opposition [Re: Santa_Cruzer]
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AG is the son of the former governor that allowed the illegal Turning Stone Casino to be opened. Seriously do you think he would really speak out or do anything about any of this?
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#1034122 --- 06/05/09 11:41 PM Re: Legislators mount land-trust opposition [Re: SilverFox]
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AG is the son of the former governor that allowed the illegal Turning Stone Casino to be opened. Seriously do you think he would really speak out or do anything about any of this?


Are you suggesting that alleged corruption involving 'payoffs' should be ignored rather than agressively pursued? Seems quite UNpatriotic to withold such knowledge from authorities, don't you think?
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#1034168 --- 06/06/09 06:13 AM Re: Legislators mount land-trust opposition [Re: Santa_Cruzer]
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Unless one has direct knowledge of payoffs and corruption one can only speculate. If one has direct knowledge of this occuring they have a duty to report it to the proper authorities. Often that entails a personal sacrifice and few are willing to make such a move.


Corruption exists in many forms and comes in all shapes and sizes. When authorities are refusing to enforce established law one can speculate as to why this is occurring. It is obvious the Tribes are milking the system for millions of dollars by refusing to collect and remit sales taxes and are allowed to continue doing so. Businessmen and individuals across the state are lobbying the governor and the Legislature to level the playing the field by enforcing the law to no avail. In the meantime they raise taxes on everything else in a desperate attempt to close the budget gap.

Why do they refuse to enforce the law and collect the millions of tax dollars due from sales, excise and property taxes? Why are our senators and governor lobbying the BIA to change their policy on off reservation casinos?

Of course one reason is they are avoiding a confrontation such as occurred with the Onondagas, Senecas and Mohawks in past years. That is understandable but inaction merely delays the solution to the problem.

It is difficult to believe the authorities have justice or the best interest of the Tribes or their consitutents in mind and are willing to endure the political fallout through their current course of action or lack of.

At the attached Url you can read of the most notorious lobbyist in recent history. Someone blew the whistle on this guy, perhaps one who was bilked of money or did not share in the proceeds. Tribes were defrauded as well. Tribes and individuals have learned from his mistakes. Does his counterpart exist elsewhere, perhaps in New York State?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Abramoff


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#1034356 --- 06/06/09 07:29 PM Re: Legislators mount land-trust opposition [Re: Santa_Cruzer]
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Originally Posted By: Santa_Cruzer
Originally Posted By: SilverFox
AG is the son of the former governor that allowed the illegal Turning Stone Casino to be opened. Seriously do you think he would really speak out or do anything about any of this?


Are you suggesting that alleged corruption involving 'payoffs' should be ignored rather than agressively pursued? Seems quite UNpatriotic to withold such knowledge from authorities, don't you think?



grinch explained it very well here. You keep trying to put words in peoples mouths, Santa.

Thank you, grinch.
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