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#1005644 --- 04/07/09 08:54 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case *DELETED* [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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The Cayuga tribe fails to pay "collect and remit" the sales taxes on cigs and gas do they also refuse to pay their income taxes from their businesses to NY state?
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#1005649 --- 04/07/09 09:05 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case *DELETED* [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
The Cayuga tribe fails to pay "collect and remit" the sales taxes on cigs and gas do they also refuse to pay their income taxes from their businesses to NY state?


Very good question.
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#1006202 --- 04/08/09 04:12 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case *DELETED* [Re: trump]
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Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: bluezone
The Cayuga tribe fails to pay "collect and remit" the sales taxes on cigs and gas do they also refuse to pay their income taxes from their businesses to NY state?


Very good question.


It's only a good question if you don't already know the answer, which I suspect blue zone does. But.....I'll answer anyway. Indian Nations are exempt from income tax.

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#1006298 --- 04/08/09 06:13 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case *DELETED* [Re: BJ Radford]
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Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Indian Nations are exempt from income tax.


Does that also apply to Pullens?
Do the Cayuga's also refuse to pay Federal income taxes?
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#1006324 --- 04/08/09 07:24 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case *DELETED* [Re: BJ Radford]
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Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: bluezone
The Cayuga tribe fails to pay "collect and remit" the sales taxes on cigs and gas do they also refuse to pay their income taxes from their businesses to NY state?


Very good question.


It's only a good question if you don't already know the answer, which I suspect blue zone does. But.....I'll answer anyway. Indian Nations are exempt from income tax.

I did not know the answer. I have not discussed it with bluezone. I don't know him at all. I have no idea who he/she is. We have only exchanged a small number of PM's on here. Are all individual Indians exempt from personal income taxes as well as Indian owned businesses? Does this apply to federal income tax as well as state? So Pullens doesn't pay income tax either? who decided this? since you are not an Indian, I assume you pay income tax?

How many members are there in the NY Cayuga Nation? Do they all live in upstate NY? Do any of them live in what could be considered substandard housing?
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#1006330 --- 04/08/09 07:38 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case *DELETED* [Re: trump]
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Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Originally Posted By: trump
Originally Posted By: bluezone
The Cayuga tribe fails to pay "collect and remit" the sales taxes on cigs and gas do they also refuse to pay their income taxes from their businesses to NY state?


Very good question.


It's only a good question if you don't already know the answer, which I suspect blue zone does. But.....I'll answer anyway. Indian Nations are exempt from income tax.

I did not know the answer. I have not discussed it with bluezone. I don't know him at all. I have no idea who he/she is. We have only exchanged a small number of PM's on here. Are all individual Indians exempt from personal income taxes as well as Indian owned businesses? Does this apply to federal income tax as well as state? So Pullens doesn't pay income tax either? who decided this? since you are not an Indian, I assume you pay income tax?

How many members are there in the NY Cayuga Nation? Do they all live in upstate NY? Do any of them live in what could be considered substandard housing?


I only said I thought blue zone knew the answer....

Lot's of legit questions here, whew! I'll try and answer those that I can-

Individual indians are not exempt from income tax - ony indian nations. I believe there is some provision for individuals who work and live on the reservation being exempt from state income tax, but I do not know of anyone personally that uses this provision.

Income tax exemption for Indian Nations applies to state and federal income tax.

The Nation's non-reservation located businesses are LLC's of which the Nation is the sole member - making them exempt from income tax. Any business 100% owned by an Indian Nation is exempt from income tax, regardless of it's location. There is a special section on the IRS website dedicated to Indian tax provisions. Check there for more details.

I pay income tax (seems like lots of it!).

Membership information is privileged. Sorry. Can't answer those.

I would guess, and that's what it is - a guess - just like in any culture, some members live better than others, some in nice house, some in not so nice houses.

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#1006441 --- 04/08/09 10:25 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case *DELETED* [Re: BJ Radford]
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Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Indian Nations are exempt from income tax.


Indian run businesses must find it very difficult to survive when one does not have to pay their share of the taxes whether it be property, sales, excise, income...

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#1006614 --- 04/08/09 05:25 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case *DELETED* [Re: trump]
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According to the chart on wikipedia there are 448 members of the Cayuga in NYS.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cayuga_nation
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#1006861 --- 04/09/09 06:09 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case *DELETED* [Re: SilverFox]
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Tobacco profits to go up in smoke?
Updated: 04/09/2009 05:53 AM
By: Britt Godshalk

ALBANY, N.Y. -- "It is just ludicrous," said Jim Calvin, the president of the New York Association of Convenient Stores. "How can the state justify increasing a fee on any small business by 900 percent or 4,900 percent?"

The folks at NYACS have smoke coming out of their ears. The cost to sell cigarettes in New York just went from $100 annually per store, to $1000, $2,500, even $5,000, depending on the store's gross sales of all products.

"Many of them are going to make the calculation that it's not worth it," said Calvin. “And actually the goal of this higher fee."

In a statement, the state Department of Budget said, "This public health initiative will help decrease the availability of tobacco products, which cost the lives of thousands of New Yorkers each year. Additionally, it will provide critical resources to fund health care programs."

Tobacco profits to go up in smoke?
A measure passed in this year's state budget has sparked a hot debate, this time over an increase to the state's fee on cigarette and tobacco retailers. Our Britt Godshalk takes a look.

"To say that if our stores have to stop selling tobacco, there won't be any more tobacco and people won't have access to it, no, that's baloney. They are just going to go to these unregulated outlets that are beyond the reach of New York State Regulation and Taxation," said Calvin.

"Whether it's a guy on the street in NYC, or the Internet, Native Americans, even Vermont," said Christian King, who owns a chain of convenience stores in the Albany area. "We're pushing people towards these alternative sources."

"Those customers who stop coming through the door, not only are they not buying tobacco products any longer, but they aren't buying other products either, a soda, a coffee, a newspaper," said Calvin.

NYACS says many customers who come in to buy cigarettes pick up a lottery ticket on the way out as well, but if they don't come in to buy cigarettes, they won't buy lottery tickets either. The lottery provides dollars for the state education budget, dollars that NYACS says will now go up in smoke.

"Even as little of a one percent drop in lottery sales would translate to a loss of more revenue than this license fee increase would generate," said Calvin. "So the state has done its homework on how this is going to impact the budget as a whole."

The fees will come due in September.

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#1007746 --- 04/11/09 09:48 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case *DELETED* [Re: bluezone]
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Gov Patsy wants to end tax dispute?

http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/G...eQ.cspx?rss=102

"the governor said he is requesting private meetings with the Indian nations....." Gov Patsy

So he can screw us over like they (3 men in a room) do with their private meetings on the state budget!!! Great! I say three men, but I apologize to all real men who I have insulted by comparing them to Gov Patsy, Silver and the other guy.
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#1007748 --- 04/11/09 09:51 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case *DELETED* [Re: justaxme]
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Maybe there is hope?

http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/G...eQ.cspx?rss=102

Visiting Canandaigua Thursday, the governor said he is requesting private meetings with the Indian nations, but for the first time, he indicated he's prepared to play hardball, if necessary.
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#1007766 --- 04/11/09 10:41 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case *DELETED* [Re: trump]
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He wants a closed door private meeting so he can beg for money as he sells us all down the river. He doesn't have the balls to do anything in public. He's screwing us over every which way in private budget meetings. Why not screw over in private with the indians. He looks ridiculous in public.
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#1007778 --- 04/11/09 12:46 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case *DELETED* [Re: trump]
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To me the only negotiation should be obey the laws, pay all taxes or all services to your businesses will be cut off - Period. There can not be any justice with two sets of laws. One set for the Cayugas and one set for the rest of us. I am tired of seeing two counties torn apart financially and emotionally for the sole benefit of 400-500 people wanting special priviledges for something their ancestors did over 200 years ago. Their ancestors sold the land to NYS no matter how they spin their version of history. That was 200 years ago - get over it.

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#1007790 --- 04/11/09 01:54 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case *DELETED* [Re: SilverFox]
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Originally Posted By: SilverFox
According to the chart on wikipedia there are 448 members of the Cayuga in NYS.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cayuga_nation

Silver: Wikipedia is posted by anyone that wishes to submit. The data presented is obviously skewed and presents one side. As to the 448 members, they may well be associated with the New York tribe. However, in court Clint Halftown testified that about 150 members lived in NYS and they claimed about 400 total throughout the country. More "members" joined when they had a casino deal pending.

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#1007798 --- 04/11/09 02:17 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case *DELETED* [Re: justaxme]
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Originally Posted By: justaxme
He wants a closed door private meeting so he can beg for money as he sells us all down the river. He doesn't have the balls to do anything in public. He's screwing us over every which way in private budget meetings. Why not screw over in private with the indians. He looks ridiculous in public.


Paterson's a buffoon. He should resign immediately.

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#1007803 --- 04/11/09 02:24 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case *DELETED* [Re: Rich_Tallcot]
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Thanks for the clarification. That just makes me all the angrier. Two counties torn apart for 150 people? That is just plain beyond ridiculous!

Of course, if they get what they want the others will come. There is no doubt in my mind about that. If they all come and abide by the same laws as everyone else in the county they would be welcome and that would be nice.

They could contribute to our area as a tourist attraction by setting up an educational center with an Indian Museum. Perhaps a small village showing their heritage, customs and how their ancestors lived. We could all get along but only under one set of laws.
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#1007808 --- 04/11/09 02:25 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case *DELETED* [Re: Driver8]
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If Paterson sells us out to the Indians behind closed doors hopefully there will be legal action taken to impeach him.
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#1007819 --- 04/11/09 02:56 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case *DELETED* [Re: SilverFox]
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Originally Posted By: SilverFox
If Paterson sells us out to the Indians behind closed doors hopefully there will be legal action taken to impeach him.


Keep dreaming. Neither Pataki nor Spitzer faced impeachment for trying to cut a deal.

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#1007839 --- 04/11/09 04:13 PM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case *DELETED* [Re: Driver8]
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Originally Posted By: Driver8
Originally Posted By: SilverFox
If Paterson sells us out to the Indians behind closed doors hopefully there will be legal action taken to impeach him.


Keep dreaming. Neither Pataki nor Spitzer faced impeachment for trying to cut a deal.


Well, I have a dollar, so I am entitled to a dream. ;\) \:D
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#1008004 --- 04/12/09 05:36 AM Re: Decision Delayed in Indian Tax Case *DELETED* [Re: SilverFox]
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you have a dollar right now, but after all the fees and new taxes, you won't have it for long, thanks to some of those backroom deals
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