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#1001254 --- 03/30/09 07:58 AM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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serious problems associated with illegal cigarettes.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/articles/entry/1232/
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#1001719 --- 03/31/09 06:59 AM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Another reason to deny trust land
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#1001887 --- 03/31/09 01:28 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
No replies yet? I even cited a link earlier where one can research all the treaties.

LaughinWillow Are you going to honor their original treaties? No?
LW - you are full of bunk. Cite ANY treaty phrase in ANY treaty with a New York tribe that has been broken except by the tribes themselves!

LaughinWillow I can compile a list, but I feel like this is pretty common knowledge.
LW - You cannot compile one phrase in one treaty and obviously have no common knowledge. Your common knowledge is based on the Big Lie theory.

EVERY act of Congress supersedes a treaty.

EVERY ruling by SCOTUS applies to the whole country and also supersedes treaties.

A treaty being the law of the land is no different than any other law.

Tribes are wards of the federal government. Tribal members are citizens of the U.S. AND the State in which they reside.

The only treaties ever broken in New York were broken by the tribes.

Honor the treaties? Remit the sales and excise taxes. SCOTUS has ruled that such exclusion was not and is not in any treaty. It would not matter if these were reservation lands. These same tax laws apply.


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LaughinWillow lacks substance.
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#1001888 --- 03/31/09 01:30 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: bluezone
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Originally Posted By: Duude
Why honor any Treaty now when you never have before?


What specific aspect of your treaty has not been honored?

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Still waiting?????

Just name one aspect of a treaty that was broken.

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still looking ???????


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#1002896 --- 04/02/09 06:31 AM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Bruno: $1B owed in tribal taxes


State should prosecute to collect sales and excise fees, Senate majority leader says

By JAMES M. ODATO, Capitol bureau
First published: Wednesday, January 30, 2008

ALBANY -- Senate Majority Leader Joseph L. Bruno on Tuesday called for the state to prosecute American Indian retailers and others for failing to pay some $1 billion in sales and excise taxes.
Speaking at the annual meeting of the New York Association of Counties, and later to reporters, Bruno said Gov. Eliot Spitzer must enforce state law and collect the taxes to help the estimated $4.4 billion budget gap.

"How do you collect taxes? If people don't pay taxes they end up getting prosecuted," Bruno said. "I mean if you don't pay your taxes, if your company doesn't pay ... what'll happen?"

Later, after flanking Bruno during a news conference, Attorney General Andrew Cuomo declined to say who should prosecute tribal enterprises.

"It depends on what the state is doing," Cuomo said. He said he wanted someone to check into Bruno's comments.

Cuomo spokesman John Milgrim later said it would be inappropriate to comment because the attorney general may have to defend the state in a lawsuit.

Assemblyman David Townsend, R-Sylvan Beach, said he will file a suit this week against Spitzer and Tax Commissioner Robert Megna in state Supreme Court in Albany County to get an order requiring tax law enforcement on the Indian enterprises.

An Oneida Nation spokesman declined to comment on the suit or Bruno's comments.

Bruno said he supported a "great resolution" from the association. It directs the Spitzer administration to "take any and all necessary action to insure collection of all sales and excise taxes on tribal and Indian sales of all goods and services to non-tribal members ... without further delay."

Bruno said: "Governor, go get the tax money on behalf of the people of this state. ... There's about $1 billion out there."

Spitzer's legal counsel, Richard Rifkin, told a committee of the association on Monday that the issue is complicated and he wouldn't speculate on how it will be resolved.

The governor put $200 million in his budget plan for this year from Indian tax collections. His budget plan for next year calls for $174 million.

The holdup has been the Department of Taxation and Finance's failure to issue coupons so that tribal members can continue to buy tax-free cigarettes and other products. People who are not tribal members would have to pay the taxes.

Town of Lenox Board Supervisor Rocco DiVeronica, the past chairman of the association's Native American Affairs Committee, said he appreciates Bruno's support but questioned his ties with the leader of the Oneida Indian Nation, Ray Halbritter. Bruno walked one of the Oneidas' professional-level golf courses last year with Halbritter, whose tribe has contributed $430,000 to Senate and Assembly campaign committees since 1999.

"There's a disconnect between state and local government officials," DiVeronica said.

Spitzer told the association his new budget would save counties $519 million. But several county leaders and Association Executive Director Steve Acquario said Spitzer overstated the state's help. They said Spitzer's budget will push $75 million to $80 million onto counties for costs of juvenile detention and welfare.

The governor, Acquario said, was counting Medicaid costs borne by the state since the Pataki administration capped local costs for the government health care program.

Paul W. Miller, Madison County's assistant director of planning, and Oneida County Executive Anthony J. Picente Jr., complained that Spitzer failed to account for sales tax revenues counties aren't getting from Indian businesses, as well as lost property taxes not paid on Oneida-owned acreage.

Spitzer spokesman Errol A. Cockfield Jr. said that if county executives say they have to raise taxes, it will be "because of their own choices, not because of the New York state budget. They are threatening tax increases at a time when the public is feeling squeezed, despite increased state aid that makes doing so unnecessary."

Odato can be reached at 454-5083 or by e-mail at jodato@timesunion.com.







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Paterson can you use some more money?
time to start collecting the overdue money.



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#1002996 --- 04/02/09 09:34 AM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Sovereign territory ladies and gents. You watch our Native American brothers and sisters show all of us how to tell obtrusive big government stick it up their...... \:\)

As far as I am persoanlly concerned, ey are a role model for the rest of us. Stand UP and fight! DONT TREAD ON ME!
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#1003300 --- 04/02/09 10:55 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Freedom One]
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And who will pay for the military protection...?
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#1005647 --- 04/07/09 09:04 AM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Duude
Why honor any Treaty now when you never have before?


What specific aspect of your treaty has not been honored?

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?????
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Still waiting?????

Just name one aspect of a treaty that was broken.

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still looking ???????


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Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
my name really is BJ Radford and I really am the Chief Operating Officer of LakeSide Enterprises, the Cayuga Nation's business arm...


Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
So.......in regards to the Treaty of Canandaigua, NYS has not broken it.




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#1006329 --- 04/08/09 07:34 AM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Supreme Court hands down another lose for the tribes.
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#1006863 --- 04/09/09 06:14 AM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Freedom One]
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Tobacco profits to go up in smoke?
Updated: 04/09/2009 05:53 AM
By: Britt Godshalk

ALBANY, N.Y. -- "It is just ludicrous," said Jim Calvin, the president of the New York Association of Convenient Stores. "How can the state justify increasing a fee on any small business by 900 percent or 4,900 percent?"

The folks at NYACS have smoke coming out of their ears. The cost to sell cigarettes in New York just went from $100 annually per store, to $1000, $2,500, even $5,000, depending on the store's gross sales of all products.

"Many of them are going to make the calculation that it's not worth it," said Calvin. “And actually the goal of this higher fee."

In a statement, the state Department of Budget said, "This public health initiative will help decrease the availability of tobacco products, which cost the lives of thousands of New Yorkers each year. Additionally, it will provide critical resources to fund health care programs."

Tobacco profits to go up in smoke?
A measure passed in this year's state budget has sparked a hot debate, this time over an increase to the state's fee on cigarette and tobacco retailers. Our Britt Godshalk takes a look.

"To say that if our stores have to stop selling tobacco, there won't be any more tobacco and people won't have access to it, no, that's baloney. They are just going to go to these unregulated outlets that are beyond the reach of New York State Regulation and Taxation," said Calvin.

"Whether it's a guy on the street in NYC, or the Internet, Native Americans, even Vermont," said Christian King, who owns a chain of convenience stores in the Albany area. "We're pushing people towards these alternative sources."

"Those customers who stop coming through the door, not only are they not buying tobacco products any longer, but they aren't buying other products either, a soda, a coffee, a newspaper," said Calvin.

NYACS says many customers who come in to buy cigarettes pick up a lottery ticket on the way out as well, but if they don't come in to buy cigarettes, they won't buy lottery tickets either. The lottery provides dollars for the state education budget, dollars that NYACS says will now go up in smoke.

"Even as little of a one percent drop in lottery sales would translate to a loss of more revenue than this license fee increase would generate," said Calvin. "So the state has done its homework on how this is going to impact the budget as a whole."

The fees will come due in September.
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Copyright 2008 TWEAN News Channel of Syracuse, LLC, d/b/a News 10 Now.
All Rights Reserved.


Paterson are you for REAL?
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#1013528 --- 04/23/09 09:22 AM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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More money to the county.
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#1025010 --- 05/16/09 09:14 AM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Paterson will you step up?
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#1025015 --- 05/16/09 09:16 AM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Daily Policy Digest

State & Local Issues / State & Local taxes

Tuesday, January 13, 2004

Once a gambling enriched-tribe acquires land, the new "reservation" becomes a sovereign nation, exempt from all local and state laws, zoning ordinances, labor rules, environmental reviews, and American rules of due process and fair play in law enforcement, says Jan Golab. In addition, the "reservation" and business built on it, including a casino, has complete tax exemption. This policy erodes the local tax base and reduces government revenues.

Because of the numbers of casinos established in California, this poses a serious problem for the state's struggling economy:


In 2002, revenues from newly built casinos in California soared to $5 billion per year -- but the casinos paid virtually nothing to the state.
The Supreme Court has ruled that Indians must collect sales tax from customers who are not Indians , but nearly all tribal businesses ignore this rule, resulting in the undercutting of competing non-Indian businesses.
Although they pay little in taxes, gaming tribes seek to influence the political process -- spending over $120 million to push their candidates and ballot initiatives in recent years. That is more than George W. Bush spent nationwide to be elected President.

The impact is just as grave in other states, says Golab:


In Oklahoma, $580 million in annual sales and property taxes are lost to Indians in the state.




New York lost $895 million in 2002 by failing to collect taxes on cigarettes sold by Indians.




Because of the erosion of state and local tax base, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has taken on the Indian gaming industry in California and is asking that they contribute 25 percent of their earnings to the state, or approximately $1 billion.

Source: Jan Golab, "Arnold Schwarzenegger Girds For Indian War," American Enterprise, January/February 2004, American Enterprise Institute.

For more on American Enterprise
http://www.taemag.com

For more on State & Local taxes
http://www.ncpa.org/iss/sta/

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#1026464 --- 05/19/09 05:02 AM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Freedom One]
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Stand UP and fight! DONT TREAD ON ME!


Paterson needs to collect the tribal taxes.
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#1030660 --- 05/29/09 09:22 AM Re:$1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: Freedom One]
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From today's Finger Lakes Times:
Letter to the editor:

Attend land trust meeting to voice concerns

To the Editor:

The Bureau of Indian Affairs is allowing us the opportunity to voice our concerns and grievances regarding Indian-owned land becoming trust land. There is nothing we will do on that date that will have a greater impact on our lives and the lives of our children and grandchildren. Make a special effort to be there or prepare for the consequences.

The place: New York
Chiropractic College
The date: Wednesday, June 17
The time: 6 p.m.

Unless we voice our dissension, we can be assured that the BIA will yield to the Indian’s demands by robbing the many in order to appease the few. Nothing beneficial can come from it. The land can be used for any purpose they choose — junk yards, garbage dumps, trash heaps. Then there are the casinos and brothels, the other kind of trash heaps. Impacts to our wetlands, disposal of hazardous materials and loss of tax revenue are other concerns. Once it becomes trust land it will be the Indians’ domain and will be exempt from local, county and state laws and regulations, including zoning. What equality?
There is no guarantee that our voices will sway the outcome, but if we remain silent and stoic, I believe it’s a “done deal.”

ELEANORE F. CASEY
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#1030759 --- 05/29/09 01:59 PM Re:$1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Keep talking to yourself numb-nuts, maybe someday it'll sink in.
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#1031198 --- 05/30/09 12:00 PM Re:$1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: HarleyBobT]
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Keep talking to yourself numb-nuts, maybe someday it'll sink in.


Did you give your land back yet?

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#1031200 --- 05/30/09 12:02 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: HarleyBobT]
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One last thing please don't reply because I'm done with this thread,



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#1031202 --- 05/30/09 12:03 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot



My stats come from the US Census, BIA, NIGC, SBA and Dept. of Labor. Of course their stats are never "current". But from 1989 to 2003 percentage of household income increase for whites was 5%, Asian 6%, Hispanic 7%, Black 17%, and American Indian 32%. From 2000 to 2004 the American Indian population increased 23% from 2.2 to 2.7 million; federal spending on Indian programs increased 58% from $3.6 billion to $5.7 billion ; and tribal revenue from gambling increased 207% from $6.3 billion to $19.4 billion. American Indians moved from 4th to 3rd out of the five ethnic distinctions, ahead of Hispanic and Black.

Lets see - 19.4 billion in just gambling added to $5.7 billion in tax funded freebies = $25.1 billion for 2.7 million American Indians, or $929 million per Indian each YEAR . Even just using the $5.7 billion in taxes comes to $211 Million per Indian per year. This leads me to believe that your statement of the rich getting richer may be true, but your adding "not Native Americans" is false.




Harley how about you send me a yearly check for $929 million?

Or is it in the mail






Harley - where is my check?
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#1031271 --- 05/30/09 04:56 PM Re: $1 BILLION Owed NY by Tribes [Re: bluezone]
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Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Freedom One
Stand UP and fight! DONT TREAD ON ME!


Paterson needs to collect the tribal taxes.




Ain't happening anytime soon.
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