Mayor sells out?

Posted by: j3668py

Mayor sells out? - 10/09/12 09:12 PM

Behind closed doors Penn Yan Mayor Church has assured Yates county that the village will help them sell the toxic waste site they own, the village will sell the firemen's field and provide the infrastructure that will be needed so the county can sell the old Penn Yan boat company. This idiotic move by the village will sharply increase property taxes, water and sewer rates and electric rates and most likely require a increase in local sales tax. The Mayor claims we no longer need the firemen's field, the men have a custom made bar at the fire house and it's safer if a fire call comes in, they won't have to drive from the other side of town because they already will be at the fire house. When asked about those on a fixed income who will be forced to sell their homes because they won't be able to afford to pay the new taxes he replied, we have a few real estate salesmen on the board who will be glad to assist those who must sell their homes and find apartments.
Posted by: FLDukes

Re: Mayor sells out? - 10/10/12 12:20 AM

Is the Penn Yan marine site not in the Village ... won't they benefit from the eventual property tax from those homes? 30-50 homes on the water (so I would assume they would sell for a lot). I'm actually surprised the village was willing to part with fireman's field. either way ... the infrastructure costs have to be pretty contained and I doubt taxes would go up ... probably why the mayor made what seems like a tongue and cheek comment.
Posted by: TheKing

Re: Mayor sells out? - 10/10/12 02:04 AM

hogwash!
Posted by: Bow Wow

Re: Mayor sells out? - 10/10/12 02:53 AM

Originally Posted By: j3668py

1. the toxic waste site
2. sharply increase property taxes
3. water and sewer rates and electric rates and most likely require a
4. increase in local sales tax.


Q 1: Has the toxic waste been removed? If not, who will pay for the removal?
Q 2: How will this increase taxes. It sounds like this will increase revenue, and lower the tax rate.
Q3: How will more people living in the village raise the utility RATES? I don't get it.
Q4: We all know the County controls the sales tax. How will having more people living in the village create a need for a higher sales tax?

What am I missing?
Posted by: FLDukes

Re: Mayor sells out? - 10/10/12 12:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Bow Wow
Originally Posted By: j3668py

1. the toxic waste site
2. sharply increase property taxes
3. water and sewer rates and electric rates and most likely require a
4. increase in local sales tax.


Q 1: Has the toxic waste been removed? If not, who will pay for the removal?
Q 2: How will this increase taxes. It sounds like this will increase revenue, and lower the tax rate.
Q3: How will more people living in the village raise the utility RATES? I don't get it.
Q4: We all know the County controls the sales tax. How will having more people living in the village create a need for a higher sales tax?

What am I missing?


From what I've read and what I know of basic tax structures ... you would think the additional 30-50 houses (regardless of what they sell for) will bring in a lot of property tax revenue for the village ... especially long-term. I imagine that would easily off-set the cost of infrastructure.

If anything these "higher end" homes in a lake front community would draw in people that would also spend more money in and around Penn Yan ... so I imagine the county would benefit from sales tax increases there as well ... not to mention the money these people would spend in the community to boost the local economy as well? I think this development is a no brainer ... that property has some value if done right.
Posted by: TheKing

Re: Mayor sells out? - 10/10/12 01:01 PM

Q1 NYSEG pays for cleanup
Q2 correct
Q3 Municipal electric low rates are based on hydropower,and supplemented with other types. The other types are more expensive and will make up a larger part of the supply to the village
Q4Yeah, I don't see where that will change. The village should get a portion of sales tax dollars. Thats where most of the sales tax is produced.
Posted by: j3668py

Re: Mayor sells out? - 10/10/12 09:08 PM

Originally Posted By: TheKing
Q1 NYSEG pays for cleanup
Q2 correct
Q3 Municipal electric low rates are based on hydropower,and supplemented with other types. The other types are more expensive and will make up a larger part of the supply to the village
Q4Yeah, I don't see where that will change. The village should get a portion of sales tax dollars. That's where most of the sales tax is produced.
Hogwash the village will never benefit from this scam, it's all about the county unloading a piece of junk property that will never be developed as stated. The developer has other plans such as just building a hotel that will be financed by some of the good ole boys, it's almost the same story that was told 10 years ago by the village board and conifer reality owners of the welfare apartments by the American legion. Conifer claim if the village provide all the infrastructure they would build low income apartments plus 48 single family homes that would bring mucho revenue to the village, 10 year later no revenue no homes just a lot of trouble and bed bugs. Let the county provide the infrastructure if it's such a good deal, the village doesn't need to support this scam with village taxpayer's funds.
Posted by: TheKing

Re: Mayor sells out? - 10/10/12 09:40 PM

to start with, my post is in the wrong place, I was commenting on the Water St project. My error. As for the PY Marine site, The village will derive an increased tax base for property tax and again the County should share some sales tax with the Village. Of course they have there own budget problems, so probably won't happen. Infrastucture costs should be shared at the very least.
Posted by: father

Re: Mayor sells out? - 10/19/12 11:55 PM

So who is the high bidder this time?
Posted by: j3668py

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/07/13 12:06 AM

Originally Posted By: j3668py
Behind closed doors Penn Yan Mayor Church has assured Yates county that the village will help them sell the toxic waste site they own, the village will sell the firemen's field and provide the infrastructure that will be needed so the county can sell the old Penn Yan boat company. This idiotic move by the village will sharply increase property taxes, water and sewer rates and electric rates and most likely require a increase in local sales tax. The Mayor claims we no longer need the firemen's field, the men have a custom made bar at the fire house and it's safer if a fire call comes in, they won't have to drive from the other side of town because they already will be at the fire house. When asked about those on a fixed income who will be forced to sell their homes because they won't be able to afford to pay the new taxes he replied, we have a few real estate salesmen on the board who will be glad to assist those who must sell their homes and find apartments.
Trustee wants to tie sales tax to development, this weeks local paper quotes trustee Mike Christensen claiming just what I predicted months ago that the Mayor is eager to sell the village taxpayers out. About time someone has the best interest of the village taxpayers ahead of the good ole boys, thanks Mike.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/07/13 04:35 AM

"J" I went on line and read the Chronicle article, doesn't look like anyone has sold out-yet. The Mayor made it very clear they were just meeting a filing deadline for the no intrest-low intrest loan. He said it doesn't mean they have to actually apply for it if they are approved to go ahead with it.

I do agree with MC that the time is now to get a commitment from Yates County to share sales tax revenue. There is no way the Village residents should be footing over a one million dollar infrastructure improvement so the PY boats site can be developed. Especially if there is going to be lodging, retail or anything that generates revenue for the County that the Village will not benefit from. Residential property expansion does not help the tax base nearly as much as commercial development.

The County and Village should be bending over backwards to get more commerical development going in Yates County.

As it stands now the County will reap all the benefits and the Village residents will be carrying the load!
Posted by: j3668py

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/07/13 12:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
"J" I went on line and read the Chronicle article, doesn't look like anyone has sold out-yet. The Mayor made it very clear they were just meeting a filing deadline for the no intrest-low intrest loan. He said it doesn't mean they have to actually apply for it if they are approved to go ahead with it.

I do agree with MC that the time is now to get a commitment from Yates County to share sales tax revenue. There is no way the Village residents should be footing over a one million dollar infrastructure improvement so the PY boats site can be developed. Especially if there is going to be lodging, retail or anything that generates revenue for the County that the Village will not benefit from. Residential property expansion does not help the tax base nearly as much as commercial development.

The County and Village should be bending over backwards to get more commerical development going in Yates County.

As it stands now the County will reap all the benefits and the Village residents will be carrying the load!


Yet,
Posted by: j3668py

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/08/13 05:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
"J" I went on line and read the Chronicle article, doesn't look like anyone has sold out-yet. The Mayor made it very clear they were just meeting a filing deadline for the no intrest-low intrest loan. He said it doesn't mean they have to actually apply for it if they are approved to go ahead with it.

I do agree with MC that the time is now to get a commitment from Yates County to share sales tax revenue. There is no way the Village residents should be footing over a one million dollar infrastructure improvement so the PY boats site can be developed. Especially if there is going to be lodging, retail or anything that generates revenue for the County that the Village will not benefit from. Residential property expansion does not help the tax base nearly as much as commercial development.

The County and Village should be bending over backwards to get more commerical development going in Yates County.

As it stands now the County will reap all the benefits and the Village residents will be carrying the load!


The mayor should have told the county to come up with a offer before the VB voted to agree to meet the deadline, the county will never offer the village any sales tax and the mayor knows this.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/21/13 05:15 PM

Originally Posted By: j3668py
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
"J" I went on line and read the Chronicle article, doesn't look like anyone has sold out-yet. The Mayor made it very clear they were just meeting a filing deadline for the no intrest-low intrest loan. He said it doesn't mean they have to actually apply for it if they are approved to go ahead with it.

I do agree with MC that the time is now to get a commitment from Yates County to share sales tax revenue. There is no way the Village residents should be footing over a one million dollar infrastructure improvement so the PY boats site can be developed. Especially if there is going to be lodging, retail or anything that generates revenue for the County that the Village will not benefit from. Residential property expansion does not help the tax base nearly as much as commercial development.

The County and Village should be bending over backwards to get more commerical development going in Yates County.

As it stands now the County will reap all the benefits and the Village residents will be carrying the load!


Yet,
Well thinks to the Mayor and trustee Christensen the village will have to borrow $2,000,000 for the county to strike a deal to sell the old boat company, Christensen who was appointed to the town of Milo's justice seat with the help of Supervisor \ Legislature Church for his cooperation in helping the county unloaded the old toxic boat company site at the expense of the village property owners. MG you were right MM doesn't do anything unless he personally benefits from it, Now he is the JUDGE and has the power he has always craved for. The occupancy taxes that the county will now turn over to the village as most counties already do now in NY will only amount to $15,000 a year, and every village property owner and resident will be paying more taxes and higher water, sewage and electric rates. Let's see the county gets rid of it's nightmare, the developer and fiends get a $2,000,000 gift from the village tax payers and they get shafted.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/21/13 06:16 PM

I hope you are not right. The county also agreed to reimburse the village the tax they would receive every year on any pilot they grant to the developer. That will be in addition to the 15K in occupancy tax monies. I am guessing that payment will be big bucks compared to the 15K.

I don't like the fact the village has to invest in the infrastructure either. The County should kick in a percentage of their sales tax revenue also. I'm hoping they agreed to revist that issue at a later date. It is my understanding that the "toxic" site has been remediated. I would think that the new owner will be responsible for anything further. I really don't know if problems are discovered after the new owner takes over that they could go after the County or Village. smile
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/21/13 06:21 PM

As far as the Milo JP position, the new JP only has the power to handle what is brought before his court. I can't help but think he has his eye on the Village JP position when Justice Hibbard retires. Either running for the Village position or planning to take over Village court if the Village decides to eliminate it.

Last I knew the Village position paid a lot more than the T/Milo one.

Time will tell.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/21/13 06:59 PM

That pilot reimbursement money according to the agreement of resolution No. 92-2013 must be spent on improvements to roads sidewalks and the outlet trail in the recreation area west of lake street and east of the Keuka lake outlet and Keuka lake, otherwise the old boat company area. The county is telling the village where they must spent their own money, Best Western pays the county around $40,000 a year in occupancy taxes the Village would receive from the other two hotels maybe $30,000 before they must pay half to the chamber as stated by the resolution.. Bad deal, what were they thinking?
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/21/13 07:45 PM

I have no idea what went on during the negotiations, doesn't look like a sweetheart deal for the Village.
The Village realizes the economic benefit of more people staying in the area spending money & the tax base. The county gets the tax base (after the pilot expires) & sales tax revenue without the headaches of servicing the area.

At least something is moving forward. Where I live in Florida the City/County went in together and bought Warm Mineral Springs, a large economic driver for the city of North Port. Later, new people were elected to the city council and they got in a pissing match with the county on how they were moving forward. As a result the Springs is shut down. It's been shut down since june and people are screaming about the idiocy of how this transpired.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/22/13 07:11 PM

The VB has agreed to buy the County's toxic boat company swamp and all and then give away 10 years of Pilot tax revenues and occupancy taxes from the 2 new hotel to the lake street development, plus $1,000,000 from a loan that the VB is taken on to pay for this great mistake which THE MUNICPAL DEPARTMENT WILL put in its budget AND PASS IT ON TO IT'S USERS, great deal for the county and developer.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/23/13 01:25 AM

Originally Posted By: helpme
The VB has agreed to buy the County's toxic boat company swamp and all and then give away 10 years of Pilot tax revenues and occupancy taxes from the 2 new hotel to the lake street development, plus $1,000,000 from a loan that the VB is taken on to pay for this great mistake which THE MUNICIPAL DEPARTMENT WILL put in its budget AND PASS IT ON TO IT'S USERS, great deal for the county and developer.
How come there wasn't a public hearing on this land purchase, and why didn't the local paper report this great transaction when it ran a story on this great deal on December 11?
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/23/13 02:47 AM

Without knowing the total dollar amounts I am not in position to be happy or complain about it. If you are talking long term I believe the Village will benefit down the road from that site being developed. Maybe we will be surprised and it will be in the long term best interest of the Village. I will give you an example of not realizing long term benefits.

Many years ago I was ordained to negotiate with the Village in attempting to annex all of Old Pines Trail property that was on the lake into the Village. At the time us residents thought it was the long term solution to replace our ageing water line. Every time there was a break in it we took up a collection and paid someone to fix it.

We did a petition to the Village board. The cost estimate of a new water line at that time was 225K. That was if it was replaced right then, which it didn't need to be. We told the Village it appeared there was a minimum of 35K in property taxes to be realized by the village per year if they annexed all the OPT lake property into the Village.

They shot us down, a Village trustee, who shall remain nameless told me: "the Village isn't going to be stuck with a 225K bill to put a new water line in". They wanted everything from Armstrong glass to Old Pines Trail annexed or they wouldn't consider it. I told him that Ritchie blvd had a new water line and they would not be interested in being in the Village as they wouldn't want another tax.

I told this trustee to do the math, the 35K was per year and it was only going to go up as property values increased. (can you say seven year payback!) He was too short sighted to see the long term benefit to the Village. I thank God that they were short sighted. A couple of years later Old Pines Trail became part of a new water district that was formed. Our problem was solved at a much cheaper annual cost than if we became part of the Village and started paying Village taxes annually.

Things are not always as they seem to be. smile
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/23/13 10:00 PM

Originally Posted By: helpme
The VB has agreed to buy the County's toxic boat company swamp and all and then give away 10 years of Pilot tax revenues and occupancy taxes from the 2 new hotel to the lake street development, plus $1,000,000 from a loan that the VB is taken on to pay for this great mistake which THE MUNICIPAL DEPARTMENT WILL put in its budget AND PASS IT ON TO IT'S USERS, great deal for the county and developer.
The village hasn't purchased the boat company yet but they and the Yates county legislature have behind closed doors and in executive session in violation of the open meeting laws have approved the sale. The village board at its December 17 meeting adopted two resolutions No. 92-2013 INTER-MUNICIPAL-Agreement and No. 91-2913 IMC OCCUPANCY TAX REVENUE both resolutions though not stated in writing only take effect if the village buys the old toxic boat company. These resolutions were adopted in violation of proper procedures and NY state village and county laws. I can see a lawsuit for the New Year if the village doesn't rescind the 2 illegal resoultions.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/23/13 11:32 PM

They can discuss "legal issues" in executive session. Any motion has to be done in open session. That is how they avoid alot of discussion in public. They hash out the details out of the public view and that cuts down or eliminates public discussion by the officials.
I remember Tim Dennis was always good about bringing up the fact when things discussed in executive session should be in open session. I doubt he would knowingly do that.
Posted by: Believer4

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/23/13 11:43 PM

By JIM MILLER jmiller@fltimes.com | Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:40 am

PENN YAN — The Village Board is back up to a full complement of trustees.

Mayor Bob Church appointed Carolyn Benedict Tuesday to fill the vacancy created when Mike Christensen resigned last month to become Milo’s town justice.

Benedict, who was appointed at the start of the board meeting, took her seat immediately and will serve until Christensen’s term expires in March. Then, she’ll have to run for the office.

“She contacted me and showed interest,” Church said. “She plans to run in March.”

Benedict currently works for Genesee BOCES, and she previously served as the Penn Yan school district’s business official.

In other business Tuesday, the board:

• AGREEMENTS: Approved two inter-municipal agreements with Yates County. The county will share some of its occupancy tax revenue with the village and help the village offset the costs of two anticipated payment-in-lieu-of-taxes agreements related to hotel projects.

The Legislature approved both agreements earlier this month as a way of helping the village handle the costs associated with the new hotels.

Church said the village has long sought such agreements.

“As you know, it’s been a thing with me that the village does provide a lot of services and does not get much back in return,” Church said.

He thanked Christensen, Trustee David Reeve and county officials for their efforts in the negotiations.

Church said the deal was key to allowing future development to go forward.

“This is a very huge deal for the village and will also bring added sales tax revenue to the county,” he said.

Taylor Fitch, the Legislature’s chairman, joined Church in signing the agreements after the Village Board’s unanimous votes.

“I can feel confident that a healthy village of Penn Yan, a healthy county seat, benefits the entire county,” said Legislature Tim Dennis, who chairs the county’s Finance Committee.

• TAX CAP: Scheduled a public hearing for 6 p.m. Jan. 21 on a local law to override the state’s tax cap for 2014.

The law would not require the village to exceed the cap but simply give it the option.

• JUSTICE: Approved the appointment of David Grace as acting village justice through March 31. He will fill out the remaining term of Acting Justice John Symonds, who resigned earlier this month
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/23/13 11:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Believer4
By JIM MILLER jmiller@fltimes.com | Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:40 am

PENN YAN — The Village Board is back up to a full complement of trustees.

Mayor Bob Church appointed Carolyn Benedict Tuesday to fill the vacancy created when Mike Christensen resigned last month to become Milo’s town justice.

Benedict, who was appointed at the start of the board meeting, took her seat immediately and will serve until Christensen’s term expires in March. Then, she’ll have to run for the office.

“She contacted me and showed interest,” Church said. “She plans to run in March.”

Benedict currently works for Genesee BOCES, and she previously served as the Penn Yan school district’s business official.

In other business Tuesday, the board:

• AGREEMENTS: Approved two inter-municipal agreements with Yates County. The county will share some of its occupancy tax revenue with the village and help the village offset the costs of two anticipated payment-in-lieu-of-taxes agreements related to hotel projects.

The Legislature approved both agreements earlier this month as a way of helping the village handle the costs associated with the new hotels.

Church said the village has long sought such agreements.

“As you know, it’s been a thing with me that the village does provide a lot of services and does not get much back in return,” Church said.

He thanked Christensen, Trustee David Reeve and county officials for their efforts in the negotiations.

Church said the deal was key to allowing future development to go forward.

“This is a very huge deal for the village and will also bring added sales tax revenue to the county,” he said.

Taylor Fitch, the Legislature’s chairman, joined Church in signing the agreements after the Village Board’s unanimous votes.

“I can feel confident that a healthy village of Penn Yan, a healthy county seat, benefits the entire county,” said Legislature Tim Dennis, who chairs the county’s Finance Committee.

• TAX CAP: Scheduled a public hearing for 6 p.m. Jan. 21 on a local law to override the state’s tax cap for 2014.

The law would not require the village to exceed the cap but simply give it the option.

• JUSTICE: Approved the appointment of David Grace as acting village justice through March 31. He will fill out the remaining term of Acting Justice John Symonds, who resigned earlier this month
They sat there and told the people half the story which in this case is worse than a lie, why didn't Church announce that the village is buying the boat company from the county?
Posted by: Enigma3

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/24/13 12:39 AM

It never ceases to amaze me how much wrong information floats around on this board. Just amazing.

1. The PY boats site has been cleaned up. The county paid for much of it with grant money. NY State oversaw the cleanup. The state would never let the county sell that site without a full cleanup.
2. The county has no interest in selling it to the village. That makes no sense at all. They will sell it to a developer who comes up with a viable plan and the money to back it up.
3. The long range plan has always been to develop the outlet from Liberty street to Red Jacket park. The sticky wickets in this plan have always been where to move Carey's and Roto Salt, and getting control of the firemen's field.
4. There will never be a better time for the village to negotiate sales tax sharing than with the upcoming sale of the PY Boats site and gaining rights to the firemen's field. Sharing room tax to offset a PILOT is no more than throwing the village a bone. If the county is serious about developing the outlet with the village, they will see the wisdom of sharing sales tax in exchange for aquiring the rights to develop the firemen's field. It is in everyone's best interest. If I were mayor, no way would I bring utilities to the PY Boats site without a sales tax sharing agreement.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/24/13 01:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Enigma3
It never ceases to amaze me how much wrong information floats around on this board. Just amazing.

1. The PY boats site has been cleaned up. The county paid for much of it with grant money. NY State oversaw the cleanup. The state would never let the county sell that site without a full cleanup.
2. The county has no interest in selling it to the village. That makes no sense at all. They will sell it to a developer who comes up with a viable plan and the money to back it up.
3. The long range plan has always been to develop the outlet from Liberty street to Red Jacket park. The sticky wickets in this plan have always been where to move Carey's and Roto Salt, and getting control of the firemen's field.
4. There will never be a better time for the village to negotiate sales tax sharing than with the upcoming sale of the PY Boats site and gaining rights to the firemen's field. Sharing room tax to offset a PILOT is no more than throwing the village a bone. If the county is serious about developing the outlet with the village, they will see the wisdom of sharing sales tax in exchange for aquiring the rights to develop the firemen's field. It is in everyone's best interest. If I were mayor, no way would I bring utilities to the PY Boats site without a sales tax sharing agreement.
You don't what u are talking about the sale has been agreed to by both the county and VB.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/24/13 06:32 PM

Originally Posted By: helpme
Originally Posted By: Enigma3
It never ceases to amaze me how much wrong information floats around on this board. Just amazing.

1. The PY boats site has been cleaned up. The county paid for much of it with grant money. NY State oversaw the cleanup. The state would never let the county sell that site without a full cleanup.
2. The county has no interest in selling it to the village. That makes no sense at all. They will sell it to a developer who comes up with a viable plan and the money to back it up.
3. The long range plan has always been to develop the outlet from Liberty street to Red Jacket park. The sticky wickets in this plan have always been where to move Carey's and Roto Salt, and getting control of the firemen's field.
4. There will never be a better time for the village to negotiate sales tax sharing than with the upcoming sale of the PY Boats site and gaining rights to the firemen's field. Sharing room tax to offset a PILOT is no more than throwing the village a bone. If the county is serious about developing the outlet with the village, they will see the wisdom of sharing sales tax in exchange for aquiring the rights to develop the firemen's field. It is in everyone's best interest. If I were mayor, no way would I bring utilities to the PY Boats site without a sales tax sharing agreement.
You don't what u are talking about the sale has been agreed to by both the county and VB.
Transparency that's what Mayor Church claimed his administration would have if the citizens of Penn Yan elected him Mayor, that turn out to be a joke now that he has shown his true colors and sold out the citizens of Penn Yan. His term will run out in several months so he figures he could continue to put the screws to us by appointing a hand picked crony and introducing his clone for Mayor. Every dollar he claims that the village is now receiving from the county in this great deal has strings attached to them, they are already committed to go to benefit private individuals at the expense of the Village taxpayers. There're 4 trustee seats and the Mayor position up for election this coming year, isn't time that we elected a village board that serves ALL the people of Penn Yan?
Posted by: TheKing

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/25/13 01:47 AM

where do you get this info?
Posted by: TheKing

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/25/13 01:48 AM

got your petitions out there yet?
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/25/13 06:34 PM

Originally Posted By: TheKing
where do you get this info?
Resolution No. 92-2013 passed by the village board December 17, 2013, the PILOT AGREEMENT for the two new hotels is that the county will now pay the developer's village taxes for the next 10 years. I wonder where the county gets their money from? BUT the county makes the village take the revenue from "ELM STREET Microtel HOTEL PILOT AGREEMENT and the LAKEFRONT HAMPTON HOTEL PILOT AGREEMENT and use it for improvements to roads, recreation area[s], sidewalks and the Keuka lake outlet trail, and the financing thereof, IN A AREA west of Lake street and east of the Keuka Lake outlet and KEUKA LAKE [the Infrastructure Project] AND the village covenants that it is aware of the laws governing the USE OF PAYMENTS provided under this agreement, and the village agrees to use the payments disbursed pursuant to this agreement only in the manner so allowed. The Village Board at the October board meeting vote to take out a $2,000,000 half grant half loan for this Lake street project and then have the village residents pay it back by charging us higher water, sewer, electric rates, that information came from a village trustee, and this came from 2 board members, it was part of the UNWRITTEN AGREMENT that the village will buy the toxic boat company and that the developer has back-out of the plans he proposed to the county and village. To me it looks like the LAKEFRONT HAMPTON INN PROJECT investors have a lot of pull.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/27/13 05:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Enigma3
It never ceases to amaze me how much wrong information floats around on this board. Just amazing.

1. The PY boats site has been cleaned up. The county paid for much of it with grant money. NY State oversaw the cleanup. The state would never let the county sell that site without a full cleanup.
2. The county has no interest in selling it to the village. That makes no sense at all. They will sell it to a developer who comes up with a viable plan and the money to back it up.
3. The long range plan has always been to develop the outlet from Liberty street to Red Jacket park. The sticky wickets in this plan have always been where to move Carey's and Roto Salt, and getting control of the firemen's field.
4. There will never be a better time for the village to negotiate sales tax sharing than with the upcoming sale of the PY Boats site and gaining rights to the firemen's field. Sharing room tax to offset a PILOT is no more than throwing the village a bone. If the county is serious about developing the outlet with the village, they will see the wisdom of sharing sales tax in exchange for aquiring the rights to develop the firemen's field. It is in everyone's best interest. If I were mayor, no way would I bring utilities to the PY Boats site without a sales tax sharing agreement.
The PY boat site is not cleaned of toxics yet that is why every developer has back out, Fitch now has admitted that the village will buy the mess as soon as County attorney writes up the sale.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/27/13 10:38 PM

I guess that will come out publicly when they can release it. If it is still under discussion as to how they are going to proceed they can keep it in executive session. It would fall under the "legal" exemption. As much as everyone would like them to be as transparent as they can, I guess we will have to wait till they release all the details.
Posted by: Honestly

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/28/13 02:08 AM

Originally Posted By: helpme
Originally Posted By: Enigma3
It never ceases to amaze me how much wrong information floats around on this board. Just amazing.

1. The PY boats site has been cleaned up. The county paid for much of it with grant money. NY State oversaw the cleanup. The state would never let the county sell that site without a full cleanup.
2. The county has no interest in selling it to the village. That makes no sense at all. They will sell it to a developer who comes up with a viable plan and the money to back it up.
3. The long range plan has always been to develop the outlet from Liberty street to Red Jacket park. The sticky wickets in this plan have always been where to move Carey's and Roto Salt, and getting control of the firemen's field.
4. There will never be a better time for the village to negotiate sales tax sharing than with the upcoming sale of the PY Boats site and gaining rights to the firemen's field. Sharing room tax to offset a PILOT is no more than throwing the village a bone. If the county is serious about developing the outlet with the village, they will see the wisdom of sharing sales tax in exchange for aquiring the rights to develop the firemen's field. It is in everyone's best interest. If I were mayor, no way would I bring utilities to the PY Boats site without a sales tax sharing agreement.
The PY boat site is not cleaned of toxics yet that is why every developer has back out, Fitch now has admitted that the village will buy the mess as soon as County attorney writes up the sale.
It is about time for people to read the fine print with respect to any agreement between the County (Yates) and the Village of Penn Yan with respect to the development of that area. It's there, just do the research.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/28/13 04:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Believer4
By JIM MILLER jmiller@fltimes.com | Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:40 am

PENN YAN — The Village Board is back up to a full complement of trustees.

Mayor Bob Church appointed Carolyn Benedict Tuesday to fill the vacancy created when Mike Christensen resigned last month to become Milo’s town justice.

Benedict, who was appointed at the start of the board meeting, took her seat immediately and will serve until Christensen’s term expires in March. Then, she’ll have to run for the office.

“She contacted me and showed interest,” Church said. “She plans to run in March.”

Benedict currently works for Genesee BOCES, and she previously served as the Penn Yan school district’s business official.

In other business Tuesday, the board:

• AGREEMENTS: Approved two inter-municipal agreements with Yates County. The county will share some of its occupancy tax revenue with the village and help the village offset the costs of two anticipated payment-in-lieu-of-taxes agreements related to hotel projects.

The Legislature approved both agreements earlier this month as a way of helping the village handle the costs associated with the new hotels.

Church said the village has long sought such agreements.

“As you know, it’s been a thing with me that the village does provide a lot of services and does not get much back in return,” Church said.

He thanked Christensen, Trustee David Reeve and county officials for their efforts in the negotiations.

Church said the deal was key to allowing future development to go forward.

“This is a very huge deal for the village and will also bring added sales tax revenue to the county,” he said.

Taylor Fitch, the Legislature’s chairman, joined Church in signing the agreements after the Village Board’s unanimous votes.

“I can feel confident that a healthy village of Penn Yan, a healthy county seat, benefits the entire county,” said Legislature Tim Dennis, who chairs the county’s Finance Committee.

• TAX CAP: Scheduled a public hearing for 6 p.m. Jan. 21 on a local law to override the state’s tax cap for 2014.

The law would not require the village to exceed the cap but simply give it the option.

• JUSTICE: Approved the appointment of David Grace as acting village justice through March 31. He will fill out the remaining term of Acting Justice John Symonds, who resigned earlier this month
Read the fine print in the agreements and you will see that the Mayor has sold the village taxpayers out, all property taxes the county will be paying the village for the 2 new hotels for 10 years and the occupancy taxes from the 2 new hotel $7,000 a year for the next 10 years and a $1,000,000 loan that will be paid back by village residents in the form of higher electric, sewer and water rates must be spent on the Hampton hotel and surrounding area. The county will not be sharing any sales taxes with the village and the village will be stuck with paying all the infrastructure cost related to this one hotel, who are the investors? This great deal for the county was shoved ahead before the new year so Fitch and Church could push it thru while their cronies were in line and before they both leave their positions, Fitch as chair of the county legislators and Church as Mayor of the village. Here's the big sell out the village will buy the still toxic boat company from the county for $1, and hold a note for the developer who claims he no longer is interested in his original plans of developing the site, but he might try one townhouse at a time and if that don't go then he goes. Because the county didn't follow the procedures the developers wanted them to in cleaning up the site all those who were interested in investing millions into the site have dropped out, so the county found someone foolish enough to take this nightmare off their hands, that person is our Mayor Bob Church.
Posted by: TheKing

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/28/13 11:23 PM

Where is this fine print. Nowhere does the news article state that there limitations as to how the monies are spent, only that it will offset some of the costs of infrastructure to complete the projects. Also nowhere does it state that the Village is buying any property from the County, so where do you come up with this stuff?
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/29/13 03:16 PM

Originally Posted By: TheKing
Where is this fine print. Nowhere does the news article state that there limitations as to how the monies are spent, only that it will offset some of the costs of infrastructure to complete the projects. Also nowhere does it state that the Village is buying any property from the County, so where do you come up with this stuff?
The fine print is in resolution 92-2013, only half the story was told to the Chronicle Express which as we all know is sometimes worst than a lie. They fooled the local paper and you but now the truth will come out because I took the time to read the resolution and expose this latest bad agreement.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/31/13 01:38 AM

Originally Posted By: helpme
Originally Posted By: Believer4
By JIM MILLER jmiller@fltimes.com | Posted: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:40 am

PENN YAN — The Village Board is back up to a full complement of trustees.

Mayor Bob Church appointed Carolyn Benedict Tuesday to fill the vacancy created when Mike Christensen resigned last month to become Milo’s town justice.

Benedict, who was appointed at the start of the board meeting, took her seat immediately and will serve until Christensen’s term expires in March. Then, she’ll have to run for the office.

“She contacted me and showed interest,” Church said. “She plans to run in March.”

Benedict currently works for Genesee BOCES, and she previously served as the Penn Yan school district’s business official.

In other business Tuesday, the board:

• AGREEMENTS: Approved two inter-municipal agreements with Yates County. The county will share some of its occupancy tax revenue with the village and help the village offset the costs of two anticipated payment-in-lieu-of-taxes agreements related to hotel projects.

The Legislature approved both agreements earlier this month as a way of helping the village handle the costs associated with the new hotels.

Church said the village has long sought such agreements.

“As you know, it’s been a thing with me that the village does provide a lot of services and does not get much back in return,” Church said.

He thanked Christensen, Trustee David Reeve and county officials for their efforts in the negotiations.

Church said the deal was key to allowing future development to go forward.

“This is a very huge deal for the village and will also bring added sales tax revenue to the county,” he said.

Taylor Fitch, the Legislature’s chairman, joined Church in signing the agreements after the Village Board’s unanimous votes.

“I can feel confident that a healthy village of Penn Yan, a healthy county seat, benefits the entire county,” said Legislature Tim Dennis, who chairs the county’s Finance Committee.

• TAX CAP: Scheduled a public hearing for 6 p.m. Jan. 21 on a local law to override the state’s tax cap for 2014.

The law would not require the village to exceed the cap but simply give it the option.

• JUSTICE: Approved the appointment of David Grace as acting village justice through March 31. He will fill out the remaining term of Acting Justice John Symonds, who resigned earlier this month
Read the fine print in the agreements and you will see that the Mayor has sold the village taxpayers out, all property taxes the county will be paying the village for the 2 new hotels for 10 years and the occupancy taxes from the 2 new hotel $7,000 a year for the next 10 years and a $1,000,000 loan that will be paid back by village residents in the form of higher electric, sewer and water rates must be spent on the Hampton hotel and surrounding area. The county will not be sharing any sales taxes with the village and the village will be stuck with paying all the infrastructure cost related to this one hotel, who are the investors? This great deal for the county was shoved ahead before the new year so Fitch and Church could push it thru while their cronies were in line and before they both leave their positions, Fitch as chair of the county legislators and Church as Mayor of the village. Here's the big sell out the village will buy the still toxic boat company from the county for $1, and hold a note for the developer who claims he no longer is interested in his original plans of developing the site, but he might try one townhouse at a time and if that don't go then he goes. Because the county didn't follow the procedures the developers wanted them to in cleaning up the site all those who were interested in investing millions into the site have dropped out, so the county found someone foolish enough to take this nightmare off their hands, that person is our Mayor Bob Church.
One correction the occupancy tax from the 2 new hotels will be closer to $15,000 a year but this must also be spent at the lake street hotel area by agreement for 10 years.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/31/13 02:33 AM

This thread is humorous. Why does everyone have to be cynical? Both of these projects are great for Penn Yan in the long term. I think any inter-municipal agreement is great when it leads to this kind of investment.
Posted by: Honestly

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/31/13 02:56 AM

Originally Posted By: YCite
This thread is humorous. Why does everyone have to be cynical? Both of these projects are great for Penn Yan in the long term. I think any inter-municipal agreement is great when it leads to this kind of investment.
Question again is this, is it good for the tax payers? That's the bottom line.
Posted by: Honestly

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/31/13 03:24 AM

Originally Posted By: YCite
This thread is humorous. Why does everyone have to be cynical? Both of these projects are great for Penn Yan in the long term. I think any inter-municipal agreement is great when it leads to this kind of investment.
Big question is this, who's paying for it? It better not be the tax payers. If they are truly paying for this project within their tax dollars a problem exists.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/31/13 03:39 AM

I have no idea what the structure of this is ... but I have a hard time imagining that the conservatives elected to both the County and Village seats would agree to something that would put the community at risk of higher taxes. Ever heard of spending money to make money? These are long-term, high impact projects that could have a significant impact on the future revenue stream for the County and Village. It sounds like it's a win-win for all involved. I guess we'll see, though.

Lots of things happening in the area that at least seem promising on the surface. PY is one of the few remaining "resort communities" that hasn't been tapped into yet. Could lead to a windfall in tourism/sales tax revenue.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/31/13 03:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Honestly
Originally Posted By: YCite
This thread is humorous. Why does everyone have to be cynical? Both of these projects are great for Penn Yan in the long term. I think any inter-municipal agreement is great when it leads to this kind of investment.
Question again is this, is it good for the tax payers? That's the bottom line.


Also, I'm not sure how PY and YC do these things ... and this might be the first in a long time ... but usually these projects are structured and funded over a period of 20-30 years. So yes, some of it falls on the taxpayers, but when you stretch a $4-5 million project over 20 years the impact is not nearly as significant, especially when the revenues generated by said project end up covering those costs (and thus, not really leading to a tax increase). There are also peripheral benefits to these projects that can multiply their economic and social effects. How much is yet to be seen, but they certainly seem to be somewhat impactful.

Also, I thnk I read somewhere last year that the state was chipping in some grant money for the project. I'm sure that is a big deal as far as funding goes (assuming we are talking about the old boats sight)
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/31/13 10:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Honestly
Originally Posted By: YCite
This thread is humorous. Why does everyone have to be cynical? Both of these projects are great for Penn Yan in the long term. I think any inter-municipal agreement is great when it leads to this kind of investment.
Big question is this, who's paying for it? It better not be the tax payers. If they are truly paying for this project within their tax dollars a problem exists.
The developer will pay the village $75,000 a year for 4 years and then $25,000 for each townhouse he builds plus pay for the cleanup, if he backs out then the county must pay for the cleanup and the village then can sell the property to some other developer.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/02/14 09:00 PM

Originally Posted By: leeoh
Originally Posted By: Honestly
Originally Posted By: YCite
This thread is humorous. Why does everyone have to be cynical? Both of these projects are great for Penn Yan in the long term. I think any inter-municipal agreement is great when it leads to this kind of investment.
Big question is this, who's paying for it? It better not be the tax payers. If they are truly paying for this project within their tax dollars a problem exists.
The developer will pay the village $75,000 a year for 4 years and then $25,000 for each townhouse he builds plus pay for the cleanup, if he backs out then the county must pay for the cleanup and the village then can sell the property to some other developer.
The developer will pay the village $75,000 a year for 4 years and $24,000 for each townhouse he builds which will add up to a total of $1,1000,000. The Mayor told the local paper The Chronicle Express that the developer was putting $1,100,000 into the infrastructure which is not true, that sum is what is being paid for the property, The village is spending these payments on infrastructure to benefit the developer along with 10 years of the village's pilot and occupancy taxes plus a $2,000,000 grant\loan that the village taxpayers will pay back in the form of higher electric, water and sewer rates. The cleanup is minor and could of been completed years ago but the county has delayed it for some unknown reason. The village taxpayers were told by the Mayor and the village board that unless the county decided to share sale taxes with the village the village would not take out the $1,000,000 loan and that the Village, Milo, and the County would be responsible for paying back, that also turned out to be a lie that the Mayor has told the taxpayers of Penn Yan.
Posted by: Honestly

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/04/14 04:03 AM

Originally Posted By: helpme
Originally Posted By: leeoh
Originally Posted By: Honestly
Originally Posted By: YCite
This thread is humorous. Why does everyone have to be cynical? Both of these projects are great for Penn Yan in the long term. I think any inter-municipal agreement is great when it leads to this kind of investment.
Big question is this, who's paying for it? It better not be the tax payers. If they are truly paying for this project within their tax dollars a problem exists.
The developer will pay the village $75,000 a year for 4 years and then $25,000 for each townhouse he builds plus pay for the cleanup, if he backs out then the county must pay for the cleanup and the village then can sell the property to some other developer.
The developer will pay the village $75,000 a year for 4 years and $24,000 for each townhouse he builds which will add up to a total of $1,1000,000. The Mayor told the local paper The Chronicle Express that the developer was putting $1,100,000 into the infrastructure which is not true, that sum is what is being paid for the property, The village is spending these payments on infrastructure to benefit the developer along with 10 years of the village's pilot and occupancy taxes plus a $2,000,000 grant\loan that the village taxpayers will pay back in the form of higher electric, water and sewer rates. The cleanup is minor and could of been completed years ago but the county has delayed it for some unknown reason. The village taxpayers were told by the Mayor and the village board that unless the county decided to share sale taxes with the village the village would not take out the $1,000,000 loan and that the Village, Milo, and the County would be responsible for paying back, that also turned out to be a lie that the Mayor has told the taxpayers of Penn Yan.
It would be so great if people would just read the documentaion and Wake up!
Posted by: FLDukes

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/06/14 02:14 PM

I'm not really sure what the specifics of the project are, outside of what has been posted on here, but from the sounds of it this is being looked at as a long-term investment. The Village and County taxpayers may be "stuck with the bill" on paper, initially, but you've got to look at the taxes generated by these new houses too. Not only will it provide a new housing option ... if these are retirees coming in, or moving from Village homes, it frees up housing down the line for those that need it (there is a shortage). You also need to look at the trickle-down effect. If these houses are going to be connected to the downtown core, you're looking at 30-40 new families/couples who will be spending locally. This also fails to mention the yearly tax income that will surely go up with 30-40 prime real-estate units right on the lake. So yes, while the Village may have to foot the bill initially, the project should be a long-term net positive.

Also, did I read that the State is pitching in funds too? That's $1,000,000 that the Village doesn't have to come up with to improve the infrastructure ... so that incentive may have finally pushed the local munis to act.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/06/14 06:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Without knowing the total dollar amounts I am not in position to be happy or complain about it. If you are talking long term I believe the Village will benefit down the road from that site being developed. Maybe we will be surprised and it will be in the long term best interest of the Village. I will give you an example of not realizing long term benefits.

Many years ago I was ordained to negotiate with the Village in attempting to annex all of Old Pines Trail property that was on the lake into the Village. At the time us residents thought it was the long term solution to replace our ageing water line. Every time there was a break in it we took up a collection and paid someone to fix it.

We did a petition to the Village board. The cost estimate of a new water line at that time was 225K. That was if it was replaced right then, which it didn't need to be. We told the Village it appeared there was a minimum of 35K in property taxes to be realized by the village per year if they annexed all the OPT lake property into the Village.

They shot us down, a Village trustee, who shall remain nameless told me: "the Village isn't going to be stuck with a 225K bill to put a new water line in". They wanted everything from Armstrong glass to Old Pines Trail annexed or they wouldn't consider it. I told him that Ritchie blvd had a new water line and they would not be interested in being in the Village as they wouldn't want another tax.

I told this trustee to do the math, the 35K was per year and it was only going to go up as property values increased. (can you say seven year payback!) He was too short sighted to see the long term benefit to the Village. I thank God that they were short sighted. A couple of years later Old Pines Trail became part of a new water district that was formed. Our problem was solved at a much cheaper annual cost than if we became part of the Village and started paying Village taxes annually.

Things are not always as they seem to be. smile




The above is a history lesson showing a lack of foresight by the Village Board many years ago. I think you are right, long term this should be a good thing for the Village. Life's a gamble, this looks like its one worth taking.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/06/14 10:00 PM

Originally Posted By: FLDukes
I'm not really sure what the specifics of the project are, outside of what has been posted on here, but from the sounds of it this is being looked at as a long-term investment. The Village and County taxpayers may be "stuck with the bill" on paper, initially, but you've got to look at the taxes generated by these new houses too. Not only will it provide a new housing option ... if these are retirees coming in, or moving from Village homes, it frees up housing down the line for those that need it (there is a shortage). You also need to look at the trickle-down effect. If these houses are going to be connected to the downtown core, you're looking at 30-40 new families/couples who will be spending locally. This also fails to mention the yearly tax income that will surely go up with 30-40 prime real-estate units right on the lake. So yes, while the Village may have to foot the bill initially, the project should be a long-term net positive.

Also, did I read that the State is pitching in funds too? That's $1,000,000 that the Village doesn't have to come up with to improve the infrastructure ... so that incentive may have finally pushed the local munis to act.
Your first sentence tells it all, I'm not really sure what the specifics of the project are and you make very clear that you don't what you're talking about when you claim that 30-40 prime real-estate units will be built right on the lake, they won't be build on the lake they are going to be build on the insect infested outlet next to the marsh. This will only bring higher taxes to the village residents, When is the last time that one of these long term investments lower the taxes, NEVER don't be foolish.
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/06/14 10:32 PM

Quote:
When is the last time that one of these long term investments lower the taxes, NEVER don't be foolish.


Right...corralling more tax cattle never solves anything; it just encourages government to spend more. The people who favor such schemes are enablers.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/09/14 01:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
"J" I went on line and read the Chronicle article, doesn't look like anyone has sold out-yet. The Mayor made it very clear they were just meeting a filing deadline for the no intrest-low intrest loan. He said it doesn't mean they have to actually apply for it if they are approved to go ahead with it.

I do agree with MC that the time is now to get a commitment from Yates County to share sales tax revenue. There is no way the Village residents should be footing over a one million dollar infrastructure improvement so the PY boats site can be developed. Especially if there is going to be lodging, retail or anything that generates revenue for the County that the Village will not benefit from. Residential property expansion does not help the tax base nearly as much as commercial development.

The County and Village should be bending over backwards to get more commerical development going in Yates County.

As it stands now the County will reap all the benefits and the Village residents will be carrying the load!


Well said MG, but now he has sold out the residents of PY by agreeing to fork over $2,000,000 that the village taxpayers will be stuck paying back for infrastructure improvement to the old boat company so it can be developed and the county didn't have to give-up any sales taxes to the village.
Posted by: Honestly

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/09/14 01:52 AM

Read the fine print within the numerous resolutions people.

Why are there numerous resolutions affecting the same project people??

PY is most certainly in concert with Yates County with respect to this project.

Some one tell us why Ivertson is not purchasing the Boat property from the village for his development rather than the Village of Penn Yan purchasing it from the county for $1.00?

It's not rocket science it's political pay off and the Village of Penn Yan tax payers are, in the long run are going to be stuck with the bill throiugh their water, sewer and electric bills.

Think not, read the fine print!!
Posted by: Honestly

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/09/14 01:55 AM

Originally Posted By: Honestly
Read the fine print within the numerous resolutions people.

Why are there numerous resolutions affecting the same project people??

PY is most certainly in concert with Yates County with respect to this project.

Some one tell us why Ivertson is not purchasing the Boat property from the village for his development rather than the Village of Penn Yan purchasing it from the county for $1.00?

It's not rocket science it's political pay off and the Village of Penn Yan tax payers are, in the long run are going to be stuck with the bill throiugh their water, sewer and electric bills.

Think not, read the fine print!!
When the Village presents the resolution to purchase that property for $1.00 (which is still contaminated) they better have a "Public Hearing" which will be subject to a "Permissive Hearing", which is State Law.
Posted by: Honestly

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/09/14 03:24 AM

Originally Posted By: Honestly
Originally Posted By: Honestly
Read the fine print within the numerous resolutions people.

Why are there numerous resolutions affecting the same project people??

PY is most certainly in concert with Yates County with respect to this project.

Some one tell us why Ivertson is not purchasing the Boat property from the village for his development rather than the Village of Penn Yan purchasing it from the county for $1.00?

It's not rocket science it's political pay off and the Village of Penn Yan tax payers are, in the long run are going to be stuck with the bill throiugh their water, sewer and electric bills.

Think not, read the fine print!!
When the Village presents the resolution to purchase that property for $1.00 (which is still contaminated) they better have a "Public Hearing" which will be subject to a "Permissive Hearing", which is State Law.
Hey, we, I could be wrong but it's worth looking into isn't it? Why should the taxpayers in the Village of PY be paying for Iverson's build-up through their electric, sewer and water bills? Think you won't, read the fine print of what is being presented!

Yup, your current and soon to be old board of trustees is about to sell you out because they haven't read the fine print and made a stand for your tax dollars.
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/09/14 04:12 AM

Iverson isn't stupid. He is a master at using grants,low interest loans and whatever else he can come up with to finance his projects saving his own money. He wore out his welcome in Geneva when he stuck the city taxpayers with the loan he refused to pay back for his South Main Street project declaring bankruptcy on the project. Birkett's landing is another example of his use of taxpayer money.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/09/14 03:57 PM

Its my understanding that half of that 2 million is a grant, so the Village will have to pay back 1 million. I don't have enough information to compare the math on how the repayment of the one million is structured. Can I guess that the payments the Village will receive will cover the repayment costs of the loan?

I do agree that our electric rates will continue to go up. Our water & sewer costs should be offset by the Village charging the non-village residents a reasonable fee for the water they are selling them.

The bottom line, if Penn Yan wants to grow and expand its tax base they have to spend the money to upgrade the sewage treatment plant (already in the works) and the infrastructure in areas being developed.
Posted by: yipes

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/09/14 06:18 PM

how about this MG to your bottom line regarding PY expanding its tax base with minimal cost upfront: Annex all the properties in & around Indian Pines Park into the village that are using the municipal electric & not paying village tax.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/09/14 09:14 PM

Originally Posted By: yipes
how about this MG to your bottom line regarding PY expanding its tax base with minimal cost upfront: Annex all the properties in & around Indian Pines Park into the village that are using the municipal electric & not paying village tax.



Municipal electric goes out the lower west lake road to around the colonial. I don't know how or why that happened many years ago. We tried to annex Old Pines trail into the Village 20+ years ago but were shot down by short sighted thinking by the VB. We now belong to the keuka park water district and pay a premium for water/sewer service from the Village.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/09/14 10:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
"J" I went on line and read the Chronicle article, doesn't look like anyone has sold out-yet. The Mayor made it very clear they were just meeting a filing deadline for the no intrest-low intrest loan. He said it doesn't mean they have to actually apply for it if they are approved to go ahead with it.

I do agree with MC that the time is now to get a commitment from Yates County to share sales tax revenue. There is no way the Village residents should be footing over a one million dollar infrastructure improvement so the PY boats site can be developed. Especially if there is going to be lodging, retail or anything that generates revenue for the County that the Village will not benefit from. Residential property expansion does not help the tax base nearly as much as commercial development.

The County and Village should be bending over backwards to get more commerical development going in Yates County.

As it stands now the County will reap all the benefits and the Village residents will be carrying the load!


MG have you changed your mind?
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/10/14 12:16 AM

I have not changed my mind about "the village and county needing to bend over backwards to get more commercial development going"
I am not naïve enough to presume I have enough info to decide if there are enough dollars coming back to the Village to make this worthwhile.

I would hope that the officials that were elected have crunched the numbers and figured out that the money coming back to the village via the county along with the 1 million dollar grant money doesn't put an undue burden on the Village taxpayers. There is a lot to be said about the old saying you have to spend money to make money. smile
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/10/14 01:23 AM

Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
I have not changed my mind about "the village and county needing to bend over backwards to get more commercial development going"
I am not naïve enough to presume I have enough info to decide if there are enough dollars coming back to the Village to make this worthwhile.

I would hope that the officials that were elected have crunched the numbers and figured out that the money coming back to the village via the county along with the 1 million dollar grant money doesn't put an undue burden on the Village taxpayers. There is a lot to be said about the old saying you have to spend money to make money. smile
I like this old saying better [spent your own money].
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/10/14 05:29 PM

Originally Posted By: leeoh
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
I have not changed my mind about "the village and county needing to bend over backwards to get more commercial development going"
I am not naïve enough to presume I have enough info to decide if there are enough dollars coming back to the Village to make this worthwhile.

I would hope that the officials that were elected have crunched the numbers and figured out that the money coming back to the village via the county along with the 1 million dollar grant money doesn't put an undue burden on the Village taxpayers. There is a lot to be said about the old saying you have to spend money to make money. smile
I like this old saying better [spent your own money].
Facing a deadline of December 2015 and a cost of $1,000,000 to clean-up the toxic boat compamy the county has found a buyer to take over their nightmare, Penn Yan's mayor Bob Church will buy it claiming it's a good buy.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/11/14 10:02 PM

The Village Board passed resolution 80-2013 at the October board meeting which was a 50\50 matching grant to the Village of Penn Yan, in the amount of $980,000 for infrastructure improvements needed for the Waterfront Development Area. They then pass resolution 81-2013 Whereas, the Village has received a 50\50 matching grant, and a zero interest loan, to invest in water and sewer infrastructure updates as part of the Water Front Revitalization Project. Then the Village Board at the December board meeting passed resolution 91-2013 the Inter-Municipal Agreement "Occupancy Tax Revenue" signed by the county and the village, this resolution and resolution 81-2013 are both invalid non-binding and not worth the paper they were printed on. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING, The Landmark Agreement?
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/12/14 04:26 AM

Well if they are in fact invalid I wonder what the Village attorney is getting paid for? He should be advising them on the proper procedure on adopting resolutions.
Posted by: Holycow

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/12/14 04:54 PM

It certainly isn't just Indian Pines that continues to reap the benefits of village electric without having to pay village taxes. The properties are all around the "rim" of the village. Look up those properties on County House Road (certainly a bonus for Mr. Reeves when he built / sold his home). Properties in North View, up Widow Hill Road off Rt. 364, Flat St, etc. Why doesn't the village force these properties to annex to benefit the rest of the taxpayer base vs just letting these properties reap the benefit without the taxes?? By doing so it might even allow The village to purchase more brand spanking new blue trucks! I see they have two for sale.....must be plumb worn out but oh I forgot, they can sell these for just a few dollars less than replacement rigs......two thing: 1. I doubt that is true, 2. Even if you have the funds to replace them, is it an essential purchase? Just because you have the funds doesn't mean you have to spend it.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/12/14 05:21 PM

North View drive is in the Village, they pay village taxes. The Village cannot "force" people to be annexed. The people in the areas have to petition to be annexed and it must then be approved by the township they live in and the Village.

(see my prior post about the Village refusing to annex Old Pines trail many years ago when I presented a petition requesting it)

Who knows how it was decided to run Municipal electric outside of the Village years ago? Can't change it now. It has been an added benefit that is gradually being eroded as more and more places in the Village add electrical services as they are built. The Villages allotment of Hydro power only goes so far. The dreaded Purchase Power Adjustment will get larger and larger on Village electric bills as time goes by.

The Main reason Siligan plastic came to PY is because of cheap electric.

Can't fault Mr. Reeve for buying property where Village electric already existed for his house. Anyone could have bought that property and built there!

Regarding replacement vehicles, yes there is truth to being able to buy new vehicles at state bid prices and selling the used ones at close to the new purchase price. Bottom line, spending is minimal to maintain newer vehicles.
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/13/14 03:51 AM

Quote:
The dreaded Purchase Power Adjustment will get larger and larger on Village electric bills as time goes by.

The Main reason Siligan plastic came to PY is because of cheap electric.


I remember, a couple of decades back, when P Y residents were upset about a prospective electric rate increase. I can't remember exactly, but I think it was a few 10ths of a cent per KWH...maybe up to just over $.04. At the time, SF area was about $.135/KWH.

When I moved to Dryden, I found that nearby Village of Groton also has a Municipal Power Authority, and the rate was $.027/KWH, as of 2012 or '13. So, in that village, more people heat with electricity than with the also available natural gas.

How come every village doesn't do it? What's involved in setting up an Authority?
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/13/14 04:46 AM

I don't think you could do it anymore. It's based on hydro-power alocations which are already used up. It would cost a community alot of money because all the infrastructure would have to be purchased from NYSEG for example.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/15/14 10:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Well if they are in fact invalid I wonder what the Village attorney is getting paid for? He should be advising them on the proper procedure on adopting resolutions.
The local paper ran a story today titled "DEAL may come this week', I don't think so, if they think the village is going to acquire the old toxic boat site without a public hearing then this deal will be going to court. Once again the local paper has failed to follow up on the so called sharing of occupancy taxes and to offset the cost of a payment in lieu of taxes agreement on the two new hotels "Pilot Agreement" taxes the county are paying to the village for the next 10 years, there's one little hitch to that story is that the county is making the village spend those revenues at and around the old boat company so Iverson will buy the boat company and relieve them of their toxic nightmare.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/16/14 04:07 AM

I guess I don't understand why you think that this "catch" about spending the money around the development project is a problem. The Village has to spend money there, the county is providing some. I am guessing the stipulation is there so the county can justify to other municipalities why they are sharing money with Penn Yan.

In other words it will be easy for them to say "No" to others who want some of the bed tax revenue. smile
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/16/14 04:34 PM

I'm not sure I understand what the big deal is, though. You're potentially bringing a whole new taxbase into the fold, plus providing a huge need (new housing). The developer will always look out for their own finances, and they won't do a project if it doesn't benefit them financially ... so a lot of times municipalities need to put together packages to make it work for everyone.

I don't think the county/village would do this project and make an agreement if it weren't in everyone's best interest. It's no secret the area needs new housing options ... so to have this project, even if it comes as a loss to the village/county financially, helps in the overall presentation of the area. More houses = more places for people to live ... which is a big factor when new industries are trying to come into the area. It might be a little chicken/egg ... but one must come first, and this will help in the overall economy of the area.

The site is dirty. It sounds like the county got stuck with it and they're finally trying to clean it up and make it useful. It's a nice piece of land, so if they have something worked out that benefits all parties, what's the big deal? You have to spend money to make money folks.
Posted by: Enigma3

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/17/14 12:01 AM

A couple of points here.

1. When the water plant was built it needed electricity. The village ran the electric to it and allowed anyone on that line to tap into village electric. It is a policy that goes way back. So homes between the village limits and the water plant are now enjoying village electric. They all pay an additional fee for this service.

2. When Robert Moses spearheaded the Niagara Falls hydro power development in the 50's, hydro-electric power was more expensive than fuel oil or coal. So his group needed to sell this more expensive electric power to pay for the plant. They went far and wide to do this. Penn Yan, Bath, Fairport, and other communities bought in. There was much heated debate as to the wisdom of this at the time. Why buy into more expensive power? But the village fathers wisely signed on. No more communities can join now and we are reaping the benefits big time. This is a great example of investing for the long term when the short term doesn't look too shiny.

Long term investment is needed to develop the outlet. When "Kayo" Hull became mayor he stopped the practice of having the village pay for utilities and roads to new developments within the village. Or property annexed to the village. That short sighted policy brought further development (and new taxes) to a sudden halt. I am glad to see the village officials willing to spend some short term money to stimulate long term village growth. It's about time.
Posted by: Honestly

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/17/14 02:52 AM

(Reply to Egnima: I am glad to see the village officials willing to spend some short term money to stimulate long term village growth. It's about time.)

Why should village taxpayers be paying for Iverson's infrastructure? (Who are his investors, are they politically connected?) Think they're not, do some research and find out the facts.

The resolutions are there. The taxpayers of the village are about to be sold out!

Why is the county going to give or sell a brown field area (the old boat company) to the village to clean up? The village better schedule a public hearing before they take ownership of that property. The facts of that transfer or purchase need public scrutiny.

Why doesn't the county just sell it(the property) to Iverson and let him pay for the clean up? Why is the village paying for the infrastructure for his ultimate hotel(s) in the same area? He, as a developer should be paying for the infrastructure. Read between the lines people.

How many taxpayer dollars is Iverson receiving for this project? What is his history in other communities (Geneva) with respect to receiving public, taxpayer dollars for his projects? Do the research and one may be disappointed.

Ok, let’s read the specifics of the resolutions with respect to the “bed” tax and where it’s dedicated to be spent and just how much revenue the village will realize over the years. Wake Up, no pun intended.
Why should village taxpayers be paying for Iverson's infrastructure? (Who are his investors, are they politically connected?) (Repeat, yes) Think they're not, do some research and find out the facts.

The resolutions are there. The taxpayers of the village are about to be sold out!

P.S Egnima, it's taxpayer dollars you are talking about! Where's Iverson's money in this massive project????

Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/17/14 01:52 PM

Honestly ... the Village received a lot of state funding to help with the infrastructure ... and while Iversen should certainly be responsible for infrastructure on the site of development, I think most of this infrastructure build up is TO the site. The Village is going to use the opportunity to upgrade its infrastructure up to the site of the development. Currently, no matter who the developer is, if anything is to be developed on the boat site, infrastructure needs to be built TO the site. That's always going to be on the municipality. The developer shouldn't be responsible for paying for improvements off site to get to his site. At least, that's where it seems like the money may be going for "infrastructure." So if you aren't willing to pay for those upgrades, that site will literally sit empty and contaminated until the Village or County decides to upgrade that infrastructure.


A lot of negotiations went into this project it seems. I think all parties should be lauded for working together, overcoming differences, and putting together a package that is best for the long-term economic and social health of the County and Village.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/17/14 05:24 PM

The village will receive a $490,000 grant and then the village will BORROW $1,200,000 and be force to use 10 years of pilot and occupancy taxes at or near the site, plus another $1,100,000 will be taken from village funds to be used to help Iverson and the county in this bad deal. Then all village residents will see higher water sewer and electric rates.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/17/14 05:38 PM

Ok enough with the increased electric rates. You realize that it's a great deal that you have them, right? Do you not want any new businesses or developments to EVER occur? I know it's a catch-22 but you can't use that electric rate increase as a reason to NOT grow. Those will run out eventually regardless ... but to hold back on developments because they eat up that energy pool is dumb
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/17/14 06:38 PM

If you look at any of Iversons projects he never uses any of his own money. It's always grants or taxpayer money. That's how he did all of his projects in Geneva. He wore out his welcome in Geneva when he stuck the taxpayers with paying back a grant he received by filing bankruptcy on the project.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/17/14 09:42 PM

Originally Posted By: leeoh
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Well if they are in fact invalid I wonder what the Village attorney is getting paid for? He should be advising them on the proper procedure on adopting resolutions.
The local paper ran a story today titled "DEAL may come this week', I don't think so, if they think the village is going to acquire the old toxic boat site without a public hearing then this deal will be going to court. Once again the local paper has failed to follow up on the so called sharing of occupancy taxes and to offset the cost of a payment in lieu of taxes agreement on the two new hotels "Pilot Agreement" taxes the county are paying to the village for the next 10 years, there's one little hitch to that story is that the county is making the village spend those revenues at and around the old boat company so Iverson will buy the boat company and relieve them of their toxic nightmare.
Well it looks like the landmark deal has been put on hold, now the village and county are shooting for February to strike a bad deal. Former Mayor Kayo Hull has pick up a petition to run for Mayor, I wish him luck.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/17/14 09:45 PM

Originally Posted By: de1
If you look at any of Iversons projects he never uses any of his own money. It's always grants or taxpayer money. That's how he did all of his projects in Geneva. He wore out his welcome in Geneva when he stuck the taxpayers with paying back a grant he received by filing bankruptcy on the project.
What project was that and can you tell us about the amount the grant was for?
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/17/14 11:11 PM

It was a revolving loan fund loan that was in the $200,000 dollar range for the project called South Main Manor apartments. It's the big building at the top of the hill by the red light on Seneca Street. I think it was a old Masons lodge or something like it. Iverson tried to renovate it into apartments but the project went bankrupt and the taxpayers had to pay the money back into the revolving loan fund. It's kind of hush hush in Geneva. If you contact the Geneva Business Improvement District you could find out about it.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/18/14 02:07 AM

Originally Posted By: de1
It was a revolving loan fund loan that was in the $200,000 dollar range for the project called South Main Manor apartments. It's the big building at the top of the hill by the red light on Seneca Street. I think it was a old Masons lodge or something like it. Iverson tried to renovate it into apartments but the project went bankrupt and the taxpayers had to pay the money back into the revolving loan fund. It's kind of hush hush in Geneva. If you contact the Geneva Business Improvement District you could find out about it.


I read an article in the FLT a while ago about that ... and while I admit I don't know much else about that situation, I do know that developers aren't all perfect. It's just part of the nature of investment ... and sometimes projects fail. That being said, Iversen has a pretty good track record in PY and the new apartments are a great addition to downtown. With the new hotel and this project, there's no doubt he is personally investing in Penn Yan and it's future. I doubt he would be putting himself into all of these projects if he didn't believe in them. He's a local guy ... if he were an out of stater I would question his commitment, but he knows the area and I trust his vision
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/18/14 02:41 AM

Yes projects fail but he didn't have to stick the taxpayer with the bill. The old saying goes don't bite the hand that feeds you. I think that's funny where you say he is personally investing in PY. If you look at Birkett's Landing you will find he used all taxpayer money either in the form of grants or low or no interest loans. Nice project and profits on the backs of us taxpayers. That fits in nice with the 2 million we provided for the white elephant project on the corner of Water and Liberty.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/18/14 03:18 AM

Originally Posted By: de1
Yes projects fail but he didn't have to stick the taxpayer with the bill. The old saying goes don't bite the hand that feeds you. I think that's funny where you say he is personally investing in PY. If you look at Birkett's Landing you will find he used all taxpayer money either in the form of grants or low or no interest loans. Nice project and profits on the backs of us taxpayers. That fits in nice with the 2 million we provided for the white elephant project on the corner of Water and Liberty.


That building by the bridge? Is it still vacant? Either way, I'll say this ... when I drive through Penn Yan that building looks 10x better than it did before. Actually, that whole street looks 10x better than it did just a few years ago. I'm not sure what taxpayer dollars "are being passed on" to the Village ... if anything those state grants are more likely than not coming from downstate taxes. But anyway, something will eventually go in there ... and that whole street has been re-done ... it used to be a huge eyesore in PY and now it really could be a place to be in the next few years
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/18/14 04:21 AM

Nothing will ever move in there but a seasonal business. There's no way any business could pay the rent and start up costs and make it through the winter here. PY is dead from Nov. to May. I don't know who they plan on putting in these two hotels in the winter except welfare people.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/18/14 06:31 AM

Ah .. I see. Okay de1 ... just remembered where I've seen you. All over these boards as a pessimist. If you hate the FL so much, why don't you just move?
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/18/14 02:13 PM

Originally Posted By: YCite
Ah .. I see. Okay de1 ... just remembered where I've seen you. All over these boards as a pessimist. If you hate the FL so much, why don't you just move?


Never said I hate the FL. I just tell it like it is. To think PY will ever be anymore than a seasonal tourist town is foolish at best. With no decent paying jobs and nothing to keep our young people here why would anybody want to stay here or come here from November to May.
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/18/14 02:19 PM

Originally Posted By: YCite
Ah .. I see. Okay de1 ... just remembered where I've seen you. All over these boards as a pessimist. If you hate the FL so much, why don't you just move?


I see your location is Florida. If PY is such a wonderful year round destinatin why aren't you living here year round. Kind of hypocritical isn't it.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/18/14 02:22 PM

Originally Posted By: de1
Originally Posted By: YCite
Ah .. I see. Okay de1 ... just remembered where I've seen you. All over these boards as a pessimist. If you hate the FL so much, why don't you just move?


I see your location is Florida. If PY is such a wonderful year round destinatin why aren't you living here year round. Kind of hypocritical isn't it.


FL = Finger Lakes
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/18/14 03:15 PM

Originally Posted By: YCite
Originally Posted By: de1
It was a revolving loan fund loan that was in the $200,000 dollar range for the project called South Main Manor apartments. It's the big building at the top of the hill by the red light on Seneca Street. I think it was a old Masons lodge or something like it. Iverson tried to renovate it into apartments but the project went bankrupt and the taxpayers had to pay the money back into the revolving loan fund. It's kind of hush hush in Geneva. If you contact the Geneva Business Improvement District you could find out about it.


I read an article in the FLT a while ago about that ... and while I admit I don't know much else about that situation, I do know that developers aren't all perfect. It's just part of the nature of investment ... and sometimes projects fail. That being said, Iversen has a pretty good track record in PY and the new apartments are a great addition to downtown. With the new hotel and this project, there's no doubt he is personally investing in Penn Yan and it's future. I doubt he would be putting himself into all of these projects if he didn't believe in them. He's a local guy ... if he were an out of stater I would question his commitment, but he knows the area and I trust his vision
This whole deal has been a lie from the beginning, first we were told by the Mayor that we were going to negotiate with the county for sales tax before the village applied for the grant which wasn't true. The resolution that was passed by the village is a lie it claims that it's a $980,000 matching grant in reality it's a $490,000 grant and the village is taking out a $1,200,000 loan that the village taxpayers will be stuck paying back by paying higher water, sewer and electric rates. Then we were told that the county was going to give the village occupancy taxes and pilot taxes but that resolution also states we must spent that money at the Iverson waterfront project, that's right folks the Mayor and village are trying to have the VILLAGE TAXPAYER pick up the bill but this time they're not going to get away with it.
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/18/14 03:31 PM

So tell me why I'm wrong about the future of PY?
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/19/14 12:44 AM

Originally Posted By: de1
Yes projects fail but he didn't have to stick the taxpayer with the bill. The old saying goes don't bite the hand that feeds you. I think that's funny where you say he is personally investing in PY. If you look at Birkett's Landing you will find he used all taxpayer money either in the form of grants or low or no interest loans. Nice project and profits on the backs of us taxpayers. That fits in nice with the 2 million we provided for the white elephant project on the corner of Water and Liberty.



de1--If I am not mistaken the "Birkett's Landing" deal and the building on the corner by the Bridge came to fruition with Obama stimulus grant money. I know Iversen worked some sort of deal with Birketts by building on the foundation next to the hardware store on Seneca street to obtain ownership of the Birkett warehouse for the project. I don't think that local tax dollars funded those projects other than maybe a PILOT for the Birkett building. I don't know if the other building received a PILOT.
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/19/14 01:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Originally Posted By: de1
Yes projects fail but he didn't have to stick the taxpayer with the bill. The old saying goes don't bite the hand that feeds you. I think that's funny where you say he is personally investing in PY. If you look at Birkett's Landing you will find he used all taxpayer money either in the form of grants or low or no interest loans. Nice project and profits on the backs of us taxpayers. That fits in nice with the 2 million we provided for the white elephant project on the corner of Water and Liberty.



de1--If I am not mistaken the "Birkett's Landing" deal and the building on the corner by the Bridge came to fruition with Obama stimulus grant money. I know Iversen worked some sort of deal with Birketts by building on the foundation next to the hardware store on Seneca street to obtain ownership of the Birkett warehouse for the project. I don't think that local tax dollars funded those projects other than maybe a PILOT for the Birkett building. I don't know if the other building received a PILOT.



Read this Gene and tell me how much of Iverson's own money do you think he used for this project?

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News .Birkett Landing project got $4M boost from Community Preservation Corporation
Wednesday, January 8, 2014 10:13 am

Birkett Landing project got $4M boost from Community Preservation Corporation By JIM MILLER jmiller@fltimes.com Finger Lakes Times | 0 comments

PENN YAN — Birkett Landing, the upscale apartment development on Water Street, received a $4 million boost from the Community Preservation Corporation.

The project was completed last year, but the corporation only announced that the loans had closed Dec. 30. Developer Chris Iversen said they were a significant factor in making Birkett Landing possible.

“The Birkett Mills project is a great example of CPC’s continued commitment to help neighborhoods in distress transform into neighborhoods of opportunity,” Nicholas Petragnani, senior vice president and regional director of Central & Western New York for the Community Preservation Corporation, said in a press release. “Thanks to our dedicated public and private partners, not only will 13 families have access to quality housing, but two commercial units will also be available for local businesses. CPC believes that innovative financing — such as the Historic Tax Credit equity and RESTORE NY grant used in this project — combined with public-private partnerships are instrumental in revitalizing neighborhoods, and we are proud to be part of a unified effort to support a local community.”

Birkett Landing is at 120-130 Water St. Iversen gutted the long-vacant structure and installed modern amenities such as granite counter tops, but he also preserved many original features, including wooden beams.

The historic structures were built in the late 1800s and used as warehouses. They overlook the Keuka Outlet.

The total project cost just under $6 million. A $2.5 million Restore New York Grant paid for part of that, and the project also benefited from $1.475 million in historic tax credit equity and a 10-year payment-in-lieu-of-taxes agreement with Yates County.

The Community Preservation Corporation is providing a $2.695 million construction loan to cover purchase and rehabilitation costs, along with a $1.3 million permanent loan.

The corporation is based in New York City.
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/19/14 01:29 AM

Same thing for Garrett winery buildin Gene!

Progress moves along at Garrett building
PENN YAN—A construction project is slowly transforming the appearance of the former Garrett Winery building on Liberty Street in Penn Yan. New windows are in place and part of the southern end of the building has been removed as part of a $690,000 project.
Owner Vinnie Rosato spoke about the project recently. All new electric and a new elevator are part of the current work. In addition, Rosato said work on the roof and rebuilding of the back portion of the building next to the Keuka Lake Outlet will be done by July 1. The facade will be faced with stone at the lower level and stucco on the rest of the structure.
Once this part of the project is finished, Rosato will lease and build to suit. He expects to have a restaurant and offices in the building. Rosato said he has a couple of prospects who have expressed interest in establishing a restaurant in the building. Two hundred fifty thousand dollars has been earmarked for this project. Parking will be available next to the structure.
A portion of the project is being funded through the $2.5 million Restore New York program of Empire State Development. Two other nearby buildings on Water Street are also participants in the Restore New York program. The program requires participants to complete their project before reimbursement is issued.
Rosato said he decided on the project because he saw the potential of the building. In addition, he didn’t want the building to deteriorate more. Now, the nearly century-old building will have a new lease on life in the heart of the village.
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/19/14 01:39 AM


Garrett Winery Building

The renovation of the former Garrett Winery adjacent to the Liberty Street Bridge was watched with much interest, but now seems to have ground to a halt.

Griffin says developer Vince Rosato has been searching for the right tenant.

While most commercial tenants require between 1,500 to 2,500 square feet of space, this building has 12,000 square feet on each of three floors.

Griffin says absorbing the cost of finishing an entire floor for a tenant who would only be renting a fraction of the space is not feasible for Rosato, who is holding out for larger scale tenancies.

The building's rental is being advertised by a Rochester area brokerage. Griffin believes the Birkett apartments and the Garrett building are projects that will help each other out in terms of attracting tenants.

The projects have received $2.5 million in Restore New York grant funds. Of that, $750,000 was earmarked for the Garrett building.
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/19/14 01:43 AM

These developers are a bunch of robbers. They use taxpayer money to fund their projects and then they reap the profits with a 10 year pilot agreement.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/19/14 08:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
"J" I went on line and read the Chronicle article, doesn't look like anyone has sold out-yet. The Mayor made it very clear they were just meeting a filing deadline for the no intrest-low intrest loan. He said it doesn't mean they have to actually apply for it if they are approved to go ahead with it.

I do agree with MC that the time is now to get a commitment from Yates County to share sales tax revenue. There is no way the Village residents should be footing over a one million dollar infrastructure improvement so the PY boats site can be developed. Especially if there is going to be lodging, retail or anything that generates revenue for the County that the Village will not benefit from. Residential property expansion does not help the tax base nearly as much as commercial development.

The County and Village should be bending over backwards to get more commerical development going in Yates County.

As it stands now the County will reap all the benefits and the Village residents will be carrying the load!


Well MG they have applied for and have received the loan in the amount of $1,200,000 and a $490,000 grant, yet they have not and will not receive any sales tax from the county. But the county has decided to be as kind as to pay to the Village PILOT Taxes and OCCUPANT TAXES for 10 years, all that money must be spent on Iverson's Projects one a commercial the other a residential. Mg once again you were right when you stated that the County will reap all the benefits and the Village residents will be carrying the load!
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/20/14 04:25 AM

Things are a bit different now than when I wrote that. I do not have the information to determine how many dollars a ten year pilot payment and ten years of bed tax monies equals. It doesn't matter that the Village agreed to use the dollars toward the projects.

They will spend more than they receive from the county. They will have no problem showing the County that those payments were spent where agreed upon. It appears at this time that the Village has more skin in the game at the onset. We will have to look back twenty years from now and see if there was a long term benefit to the Village. I am thinking there will be. smile
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/20/14 06:47 AM

Originally Posted By: de1
I don't think you could do it anymore. It's based on hydro-power alocations which are already used up. It would cost a community alot of money because all the infrastructure would have to be purchased from NYSEG for example.


Thanks for the answer...I'd been wondering for years.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/20/14 09:34 PM

Originally Posted By: j3668py
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
"J" I went on line and read the Chronicle article, doesn't look like anyone has sold out-yet. The Mayor made it very clear they were just meeting a filing deadline for the no intrest-low intrest loan. He said it doesn't mean they have to actually apply for it if they are approved to go ahead with it.

I do agree with MC that the time is now to get a commitment from Yates County to share sales tax revenue. There is no way the Village residents should be footing over a one million dollar infrastructure improvement so the PY boats site can be developed. Especially if there is going to be lodging, retail or anything that generates revenue for the County that the Village will not benefit from. Residential property expansion does not help the tax base nearly as much as commercial development.

The County and Village should be bending over backwards to get more commerical development going in Yates County.

As it stands now the County will reap all the benefits and the Village residents will be carrying the load!


The mayor should have told the county to come up with a offer before the VB voted to agree to meet the deadline, the county will never offer the village any sales tax and the mayor knows this.
You were right about no sales tax and the Mayor.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/23/14 03:07 PM

Mayor Church claims that the village has received a matching grant for a total of $980,000 to run a sewer line along the outlet to the county owned boat company, he also claims " this is an opportunity to do something that needs to be done and have others pay for it" Those others he is talking about is the "Village taxpayers", that matching grant is actually a $490,000 grant and the village will match it by taking out a $1,200,000 loan that will be put in the Municipal department budget which will led to higher sewer, water and electric rates for village residents. Where does he think the grant comes from the people of North Korea? The citizens of Penn Yan will get Shafted if this deal is allowed to take place, call the Mayor and request a public hearing so the public will hear the truth and "Whole story.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/23/14 05:13 PM

Originally Posted By: helpme
Mayor Church claims that the village has received a matching grant for a total of $980,000 to run a sewer line along the outlet to the county owned boat company, he also claims " this is an opportunity to do something that needs to be done and have others pay for it" Those others he is talking about is the "Village taxpayers", that matching grant is actually a $490,000 grant and the village will match it by taking out a $1,200,000 loan that will be put in the Municipal department budget which will led to higher sewer, water and electric rates for village residents. Where does he think the grant comes from the people of North Korea? The citizens of Penn Yan will get Shafted if this deal is allowed to take place, call the Mayor and request a public hearing so the public will hear the truth and "Whole story.


Eh, maybe next time. I'm in favor of the investment and think it's a great project. I think you have to look past the tip of your nose and have some insight into what the future holds. It's a good project and will benefit the community. I personally think you're worked up over nothing. I suggest anyone that is in favor of the project call in the same manner ... so that the officials don't just hear from backwards Joe over here
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/23/14 05:50 PM

Originally Posted By: helpme
Mayor Church claims that the village has received a matching grant for a total of $980,000 to run a sewer line along the outlet to the county owned boat company, he also claims " this is an opportunity to do something that needs to be done and have others pay for it" Those others he is talking about is the "Village taxpayers", that matching grant is actually a $490,000 grant and the village will match it by taking out a $1,200,000 loan that will be put in the Municipal department budget which will led to higher sewer, water and electric rates for village residents. Where does he think the grant comes from the people of North Korea? The citizens of Penn Yan will get Shafted if this deal is allowed to take place, call the Mayor and request a public hearing so the public will hear the truth and "Whole story.
I agree with you why should the village taxpayers pay for the boat company project, why should we pay millions of dollars to put new sewer lines and new roads and sidewalks for the county and Iverson when other parts of the village need upkeep.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/23/14 06:34 PM

Myself being one of them, won't some of the people who live outside of the Village in the water and sewer districts share in this increased cost? There are also a few of us who live outside of the village that have municipal electric, we will share in that cost also.

As I said earlier, I don't have all the income versus expenses number available. It would be nice if someone would be able to show the total income, or estimated income received from the pilot payback for ten years, bed tax returned for those years and grant money received versus what we are borrowing.

It would be easier to look at the big picture if someone were able to project that out.
Posted by: country boy

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/24/14 12:25 AM

I guess I would like to see and hear more . So Bobby Hawley we know your out there and we haven t heard much from you lately so please come out and speak up . you have always put the facts out to the people even though you don t get there vote
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/24/14 02:06 AM

Peoples problems with these projects is they are almost totally taxpayer funded through grants. The developers use little or none of their own money. Then they want a pilot agreement and make enormous profits on the backs of the taxpayers. It's legalized extortion!
Posted by: yipes

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/24/14 04:57 PM

If you really want to take a burn, look into the amount of tax dollars that are exempted throughout the entire county provided by these PILOTS, it will rock your world & make this project look like peanuts. Let your legislators, i.e. newly appointed Mark Morris,know that you would like to see those numbers & how they turn a blind eye on those `extortions`, chalking it up to `politics`, as they try to find ways to keep the tax rate under the cap. Few people know that the authors of these PILOTS do not have to answer to anyone at any level as they make their deals & dole out the benefits & ride their white horses with pride.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/24/14 05:57 PM

Originally Posted By: yipes
If you really want to take a burn, look into the amount of tax dollars that are exempted throughout the entire county provided by these PILOTS, it will rock your world & make this project look like peanuts. Let your legislators, i.e. newly appointed Mark Morris,know that you would like to see those numbers & how they turn a blind eye on those `extortions`, chalking it up to `politics`, as they try to find ways to keep the tax rate under the cap. Few people know that the authors of these PILOTS do not have to answer to anyone at any level as they make their deals & dole out the benefits & ride their white horses with pride.
The IDA hands out these PILOTS with the orders coming from the county legislatures, same old story stick it to the regular folks and give the rich and connected the tax breaks.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/24/14 09:06 PM

You do realize that PILOTs are in place to counteract the terrible taxes that businesses in NY face, right? Without IDAs and PILOTs, a lot of these projects/businesses would not do business here. Yates County also seems to be pretty conservative with PILOTs compared to what I read in other communities. They also hold public hearings for major PILOTs ... maybe I'll go to one of the next ones I read about, but my bet is I will be the only one there from the public!
Posted by: Honestly

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/25/14 02:12 AM

Originally Posted By: YCite
You do realize that PILOTs are in place to counteract the terrible taxes that businesses in NY face, right? Without IDAs and PILOTs, a lot of these projects/businesses would not do business here. Yates County also seems to be pretty conservative with PILOTs compared to what I read in other communities. They also hold public hearings for major PILOTs ... maybe I'll go to one of the next ones I read about, but my bet is I will be the only one there from the public!
Please enlighten us as to just where the Pilot and IDA money comes from.. I believe it comes from the taxpayers.. Sure, some of it may come from the State of NY, but guess what, it’s the same pair of taxpayer pants, just from a different pocket! Get it?? Also, don’t even give us the argument that if we don’t get it some other community will get it. IDA’s, for the most part are not good for the taxpayers in the long run, period! The developers should be paying more because they are the ones in the end that profit the most.
What, in the long run will be interesting with respect to Iverson's project is just who is investing in that project and their connection to the current Village board and the County?
Posted by: yipes

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/25/14 03:59 AM

If truth be known PILOTS are meant to be obtained for businesses that are creating jobs within a community. Explain to me how giving a pilot to the owners of the liquor store that moved from the plaza to water street created any jobs. How would you like to own a competing store & know that they are getting a serious tax break & try to pay your taxes & make a living. While your at it explain to me why the builder of the townhouses next to the Skyline Trading Post qualified for a pilot to help 'offset' the cost of building his privately owned business. Glad I am not a contractor trying to make it without my hand out to grab tax payer $ to pay for part of my expenses.
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/25/14 04:25 AM

Originally Posted By: YCite
You do realize that PILOTs are in place to counteract the terrible taxes that businesses in NY face, right? Without IDAs and PILOTs, a lot of these projects/businesses would not do business here. Yates County also seems to be pretty conservative with PILOTs compared to what I read in other communities. They also hold public hearings for major PILOTs ... maybe I'll go to one of the next ones I read about, but my bet is I will be the only one there from the public!


That's a bunch of bull. The majority are local businesses and developers. It isn't like they are going to take their business elsewhere. Explain to me why Iverson can use little or none of his own money on Birketts landing plus get a pilot agreement and then stand back and reap the profits at the taxpayers expense. The same with the Garrett winery project. Now the grant money is used up the building will just set there idle for years.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/25/14 01:56 PM

PILOTs are phase-in structures to paying NEW taxes created by investment on a property, no? They technically aren't taking any taxes away. If anything, they're just slowly adding additional tax revenue to the base ... allowing the owner of the project to phase it in and not have to pay a huge jump in tax payments in the first year. We all know NYS and YC have pretty high property taxes ... if it's bad for homeowners can you imagine how bad it is when you build a building that increases the property value by $300,000? Woof. PILOTs are just meant to phase in the NEW taxes on the NEW increased value. Now there are some variations to pilots but I think that's the main model.

If your property was valued at $150,000 in 2012 and in 2013 you added a structure that increased the property value to $400,000 .. you don't pay taxes on that $400,000 ... you pay it on the $150,000 ... then in year 2 you pay the $150,000 tax and 10% of the new tax, etc. etc. until the PILOT expires and you're paying full tax on the $400,000 assessment.

I just see it as what it is ... a way to allow local businesses to expand and add what they need without "holding back" because of the ridiculous increase in their property tax payments. And since most projects take a few years to realize any financial benefits, the first few years of tax savings on the pilots are huge. Many projects would not go forth without them.

THen again, many other states don't have such awful property taxes, so any increase in property value and taxes would be minimal enough to not off-set the project. In NY, that's often not the case, unfortunately.
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/25/14 02:56 PM

It's not so bad when the taxpayers are footing the bill for almost your entire development cost is it? I see you don't address that point!!
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/25/14 03:56 PM

What you fail to tell the folks is that the county will be paying the Village the 90% in taxes that both hotels are exempt from the first year than 80% and so on, otherwise the County is using our tax dollars to pay both developers taxes for them but that money including the taxes coming from the hotel that will be built downtown must be spent for Iverson's hotel on the lake. Then the village will spend $2,800,000 on or around Iverson's to be boat Company, how sweet it is for Iverson and his investors.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/25/14 04:00 PM

DE--I think he explains the "Pilot" very well. The "taxpayers footing the entire bill" you are talking about is from another source. I.E. Grant money under the Obama stimulus program for Birkett Landing and the Winery on the corner. You are right, its tax dollars, but they are federal tax dollars sourced by the federal government.

If we didn't receive those dollars they would have been spent elsewhere. Its good that they came to PY and not Columbus Ohio or some other place that applied. smile
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/25/14 04:04 PM

That stimulus money was suppose to create jobs not to make millionaires richer.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/25/14 04:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
DE--I think he explains the "Pilot" very well. The "taxpayers footing the entire bill" you are talking about is from another source. I.E. Grant money under the Obama stimulus program for Birkett Landing and the Winery on the corner. You are right, its tax dollars, but they are federal tax dollars sourced by the federal government.

If we didn't receive those dollars they would have been spent elsewhere. Its good that they came to PY and not Columbus Ohio or some other place that applied. smile


Exactly, thank you MG. The grant money was going to go elsewhere if it didn't go to Penn Yan. If you have issues with that money, take it up with the Fed not with the local government and a developer who took advantage of the program. It also provides a nice housing option to the Village ... so I'm not sure why it's such an awful thing that the VIllage benefited from the federal money.

Also, regarding the boat site development, that grant is also at the State level. It would have gone elsewhere if it didn't come to PennYan. I see this all as positive support for projects that wouldn't otherwise happen. The only "tax money" going to the boat site is for infrastructure ... and unless you want that site to sit dormant with a rotting boat factory on it for the rest of time, someone has to provide the infrastructure to the site to make it go. I just don't understand what all of the hubbub is about.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/25/14 04:21 PM

Also, Water street went from the worst street in the VIllage to one with tons of potential. It was completely transformed. How that is seen as a bad thing confuses me. Last I checked the tax payers didn't foot any of that, and if anything, the projects increased property value and when they fully hit the books, will increase the tax base. Am I wrong in that?
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/25/14 05:28 PM

You claim the taxpayers didn't foot any of that, where did the money come from?
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/25/14 09:39 PM

Originally Posted By: YCite
Also, Water street went from the worst street in the VIllage to one with tons of potential. It was completely transformed. How that is seen as a bad thing confuses me. Last I checked the tax payers didn't foot any of that, and if anything, the projects increased property value and when they fully hit the books, will increase the tax base. Am I wrong in that?


I think you had better read my previous posts. Almost all the money spent on water street was taxpayer money whether grants restoration funding etc. It's all taxpayer money not Iversons money. Then he gets a pilot on top of that. Now he can set back and reap the profits from the taxpayers.
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/25/14 09:42 PM

Originally Posted By: YCite
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
DE--I think he explains the "Pilot" very well. The "taxpayers footing the entire bill" you are talking about is from another source. I.E. Grant money under the Obama stimulus program for Birkett Landing and the Winery on the corner. You are right, its tax dollars, but they are federal tax dollars sourced by the federal government.

If we didn't receive those dollars they would have been spent elsewhere. Its good that they came to PY and not Columbus Ohio or some other place that applied. smile


Exactly, thank you MG. The grant money was going to go elsewhere if it didn't go to Penn Yan. If you have issues with that money, take it up with the Fed not with the local government and a developer who took advantage of the program. It also provides a nice housing option to the Village ... so I'm not sure why it's such an awful thing that the VIllage benefited from the federal money.

Also, regarding the boat site development, that grant is also at the State level. It would have gone elsewhere if it didn't come to PennYan. I see this all as positive support for projects that wouldn't otherwise happen. The only "tax money" going to the boat site is for infrastructure ... and unless you want that site to sit dormant with a rotting boat factory on it for the rest of time, someone has to provide the infrastructure to the site to make it go. I just don't understand what all of the hubbub is about.


How about the developer putting in some money!He's the one that will make all the profits!!
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/25/14 09:44 PM

Originally Posted By: helpme
That stimulus money was suppose to create jobs not to make millionaires richer.


Exactly my point. If Iverson thought this was such a good project he could have used some of his own money!
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/25/14 09:45 PM

That way of thinking Gene is exactly why this country is trillions of dollars in debt!
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/26/14 02:17 AM

Originally Posted By: de1
That way of thinking Gene is exactly why this country is trillions of dollars in debt!



Ok, so your logic is to let hundreds of thousands of dollars of Federal stimulus money go elsewhere because the country is spending more than its bringing in? You are right, part of that money being spent comes from Yates County residents, albeit a miniscule amount.
My logic is, the government is saying here is some money, if you don't want any of it that's fine, its going to get spent somewhere if you don't take it. Under that scenario it makes sense to take it!! smile
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/26/14 03:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Originally Posted By: de1
That way of thinking Gene is exactly why this country is trillions of dollars in debt!



Ok, so your logic is to let hundreds of thousands of dollars of Federal stimulus money go elsewhere because the country is spending more than its bringing in? You are right, part of that money being spent comes from Yates County residents, albeit a miniscule amount.
My logic is, the government is saying here is some money, if you don't want any of it that's fine, its going to get spent somewhere if you don't take it. Under that scenario it makes sense to take it!! smile



I understand what you are saying but government handouts need to slow down big time. My biggest problem is why should developers be able to build projects with out using virtually any of their own money. Then they sit back with a pilot agreement and reap the profits at taxpayer expense. It's kinda like a legal form of robbery.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/26/14 04:20 PM

I see what you're saying, but I still don't know how the developer isn't paying any money in? The Birkett Landing project was something like $6 million ... I think he only got $1-2 million in grant money ... so there was still plenty of "skin in the game" ... and in a sense he took a risk in putting that project in Penn Yan. It really brought a need for the community, but sometimes developers take risks, and putting nice apartments into an area that doesn't have a history of that service is a risk ... one that he kind of took for the "betterment" of the community. Will he make money? Probably, but it might have been easier done elsewhere with less risk.

Also, for the PY Marine site ... according to all of the articles on the topic (it's not hard to piece this all together if you take the time to read about it), is putting up 30-40 houses. All the Village/County is paying for is the infrastructure to GET to the site. On the site itself, the developer is putting in all of the money that goes into building the homes and housing the infrastructure on the site.

So yeah, the Village is paying $1m to get the infrastructure there, but who do you think is paying to put the houses up and the neighborhood streets in? The developer. Yes, he'll probably get a PILOT to help with the taxes ... but why is that a bad thing? We are taking a piece of property that has sat empty for however long, not getting ANY tax revenue (the County owns it, so no taxes being paid) ... so the developer comes in and in Year 1 pays the taxes on the property as it is valued now, so right there the County gets tax revenue that wasn't coming in AT ALL since they've been in posession of the property. The PILOT will likely phase in as the homes are sold, so if things go according to plan, the County suddenly has 30-40 homes in the $200-400k range each now on the tax books!

Some quick math shows that 30 homes at $200k is $6,000,000 in property value. 40 homes at $400k is $16,000,000 in property value. So you have anywhere from $6 to $16 million in added property value that will eventually be taxed. That is a lot of tax revenue for the County ... and because the Village is paying for the infrastructure to get there, it sounds like the agreement that has been worked out will have the County reimbursing the Village for those funds through a sales tax exchange, which currently doesn't exist.

So the VIllage pays $1m to get the project to go. The County reaps the tax benefits, but "repays" the Village by implementing a sales tax share that currently doesn't exist. So I'm still not sure how this structure doesn't work for everyone involved? If all goes according to plan everyone gets paid back AND the community now has more tax revenue and 30-40 new high end homes ... that will draw in 30-40 new groups of people that will also live, work and spend in the area.

You have to look beyond the "OMG IT'S GOING TO COST THE VILLAGE $1M" argument and look at the long-term.
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/26/14 05:57 PM

I will repost the information on the birketts land and Garrett winery projects. You do the math and then tell me how much of the developers own money they used on these projects.


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News .Birkett Landing project got $4M boost from Community Preservation Corporation
Wednesday, January 8, 2014 10:13 am

Birkett Landing project got $4M boost from Community Preservation Corporation By JIM MILLER jmiller@fltimes.com Finger Lakes Times | 0 comments

PENN YAN — Birkett Landing, the upscale apartment development on Water Street, received a $4 million boost from the Community Preservation Corporation.

The project was completed last year, but the corporation only announced that the loans had closed Dec. 30. Developer Chris Iversen said they were a significant factor in making Birkett Landing possible.

“The Birkett Mills project is a great example of CPC’s continued commitment to help neighborhoods in distress transform into neighborhoods of opportunity,” Nicholas Petragnani, senior vice president and regional director of Central & Western New York for the Community Preservation Corporation, said in a press release. “Thanks to our dedicated public and private partners, not only will 13 families have access to quality housing, but two commercial units will also be available for local businesses. CPC believes that innovative financing — such as the Historic Tax Credit equity and RESTORE NY grant used in this project — combined with public-private partnerships are instrumental in revitalizing neighborhoods, and we are proud to be part of a unified effort to support a local community.”

Birkett Landing is at 120-130 Water St. Iversen gutted the long-vacant structure and installed modern amenities such as granite counter tops, but he also preserved many original features, including wooden beams.

The historic structures were built in the late 1800s and used as warehouses. They overlook the Keuka Outlet.

The total project cost just under $6 million. A $2.5 million Restore New York Grant paid for part of that, and the project also benefited from $1.475 million in historic tax credit equity and a 10-year payment-in-lieu-of-taxes agreement with Yates County.

The Community Preservation Corporation is providing a $2.695 million construction loan to cover purchase and rehabilitation costs, along with a $1.3 million permanent loan.

The corporation is based in New York City.
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/26/14 06:00 PM

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Loc: ny Same thing for Garrett winery buildin Gene!

Progress moves along at Garrett building
PENN YAN—A construction project is slowly transforming the appearance of the former Garrett Winery building on Liberty Street in Penn Yan. New windows are in place and part of the southern end of the building has been removed as part of a $690,000 project.
Owner Vinnie Rosato spoke about the project recently. All new electric and a new elevator are part of the current work. In addition, Rosato said work on the roof and rebuilding of the back portion of the building next to the Keuka Lake Outlet will be done by July 1. The facade will be faced with stone at the lower level and stucco on the rest of the structure.
Once this part of the project is finished, Rosato will lease and build to suit. He expects to have a restaurant and offices in the building. Rosato said he has a couple of prospects who have expressed interest in establishing a restaurant in the building. Two hundred fifty thousand dollars has been earmarked for this project. Parking will be available next to the structure.
A portion of the project is being funded through the $2.5 million Restore New York program of Empire State Development. Two other nearby buildings on Water Street are also participants in the Restore New York program. The program requires participants to complete their project before reimbursement is issued.
Rosato said he decided on the project because he saw the potential of the building. In addition, he didn’t want the building to deteriorate more. Now, the nearly century-old building will have a new lease on life in the heart of the village.

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Garrett Winery Building

The renovation of the former Garrett Winery adjacent to the Liberty Street Bridge was watched with much interest, but now seems to have ground to a halt.

Griffin says developer Vince Rosato has been searching for the right tenant.

While most commercial tenants require between 1,500 to 2,500 square feet of space, this building has 12,000 square feet on each of three floors.

Griffin says absorbing the cost of finishing an entire floor for a tenant who would only be renting a fraction of the space is not feasible for Rosato, who is holding out for larger scale tenancies.

The building's rental is being advertised by a Rochester area brokerage. Griffin believes the Birkett apartments and the Garrett building are projects that will help each other out in terms of attracting tenants.

The projects have received $2.5 million in Restore New York grant funds. Of that, $750,000 was earmarked for the Garrett building.
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/26/14 06:06 PM

Tell me how you figure there was a risk for the developers when the entire projects were funded with taxpayer money. I can almost guarantee you that the PY Marine project and condos will be the same way. Iverson has a track record of this from his many projects in Geneva. He even burned the taxpayers on his South Main Manor project thus wearing out his welcome in Geneva.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/26/14 06:17 PM

It looks like he got a $2.6 million loan ... so technically that is his own money there. He has to pay that off eventually. Very few developers have the bankroll to put down that much of their own money up front. Any project of that size is going to require financing!

Either way, I understand your concern, I'm just trying to get you to see that there really isn't any direct negative tax impact locally. If anything the community is getting more services/housing options, which in the end makes the community more desirable. I could care less if the developer is putting up 60% of their own money or financing 50% of the project ... I just care about the end game, and right now that end game is that there are high quality living options, new opportunities locally, and the tax payers, as of yet, have not been stuck with any awful bill (or any, at that matter)
Posted by: dj205

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/27/14 02:20 AM

Ok, they got grant monies for the start up. Do they pay it back in any way, if they turn a profit? So, that it frees up money for another Town to go forward with a profitable project?
Before you start, I understand what a Grant is. But, doesn't it make sense to do this, as not to bleed the Gov.?
Kind of like, pay it forward.
Oh, silly me.......I said, "make sense" in the same sentence as Gov.
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/27/14 03:32 AM

That's why this country is in the shape it is in! Everybody wants free money! Then people say if we don't use it somebody else will! Well maybe it shouldn't be available in the first place! Greed is gonna kill this country someday and we're already sliding that way!
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/27/14 02:33 PM

I don't know were to start but every figure and fact that you state is wrong, the Birkett landing project he received $5,500,000 not 1-2 as you claimed, the County is not providing any money as you claim for infrastructure for the boat company project, the village is providing an $490,000 grant plus taking out a loan for $1,200,000 plus another $1,100,000 of village taxpayer's money towards the infrastructure for the boat company. Iverson now claims he will built one townhouse and if it sells he will built more. The county has funneled money to the village for 10 years by the way of occupancy taxes and pilot money that must be spent on the resurfacing of Mace Street and for sidewalks and to run the outlet trail to Red Jacket Park, all improvements on or around Iverson's and his investors soon to be built Hotel. Please get your facts straight.
Posted by: FLDukes

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/27/14 03:18 PM

Originally Posted By: helpme
I don't know were to start but every figure and fact that you state is wrong, the Birkett landing project he received $5,500,000 not 1-2 as you claimed, the County is not providing any money as you claim for infrastructure for the boat company project, the village is providing an $490,000 grant plus taking out a loan for $1,200,000 plus another $1,100,000 of village taxpayer's money towards the infrastructure for the boat company. Iverson now claims he will built one townhouse and if it sells he will built more. The county has funneled money to the village for 10 years by the way of occupancy taxes and pilot money that must be spent on the resurfacing of Mace Street and for sidewalks and to run the outlet trail to Red Jacket Park, all improvements on or around Iverson's and his investors soon to be built Hotel. Please get your facts straight.


Actually, you couldn't be more incorrect.
Posted by: young guns

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/28/14 06:37 AM

Mayor sells out? Isn't the first one!
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/28/14 05:52 PM

Originally Posted By: FLDukes
Originally Posted By: helpme
I don't know were to start but every figure and fact that you state is wrong, the Birkett landing project he received $5,500,000 not 1-2 as you claimed, the County is not providing any money as you claim for infrastructure for the boat company project, the village is providing an $490,000 grant plus taking out a loan for $1,200,000 plus another $1,100,000 of village taxpayer's money towards the infrastructure for the boat company. Iverson now claims he will built one townhouse and if it sells he will built more. The county has funneled money to the village for 10 years by the way of occupancy taxes and pilot money that must be spent on the resurfacing of Mace Street and for sidewalks and to run the outlet trail to Red Jacket Park, all improvements on or around Iverson's and his investors soon to be built Hotel. Please get your facts straight.


Actually, you couldn't be more incorrect.
Actually, I could if I agreed with you.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/29/14 09:56 PM

Penn Yan's Mayor caught telling the local paper half truths has now announced that the village will share details about the three-way agreement that will be made between the village, county and developer Chris Iverson, this will be done at the PY village board meeting February 18. Here's the whole story, the county has found a loophole in the law that doesn't allow the county to provide financial assistance to Iverson by giving the village occupancy and pilot taxes then making the village spent those taxes to help Iverson in his hotel project not the boat company. That financial assistance plus $200,000 from the county to help in the cleanup of the boat company and another 490,000 grant plus a 1,200,000 loan provided by the village taxpayers will go to run a new sewer line along the outlet to the hotel after the village acquires the boat company from the county. The village will hold a note on the property in which Iverson will pay the village $75,000 a year for 4 years and then pay the village $24,000 for each townhouse he will builds. He told the mayor he will build one townhouse at a time and if it sells he will built another one until the total sum he pays the village will be $1,100,000, but the money will be spent on the site for infrastructure, This landmark deal will raise the village taxpayer's water, sewer and electric rates, the mayor has sold us out if he is allowed to enter into this gigantic handout so show up at the meeting and tell him no.
Posted by: young guns

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/29/14 10:37 PM

A sell out? Chris Iverson,hmmm!?

the mayor has sold us out if he is allowed to enter into this gigantic handout so show up at the meeting and tell him no.
Posted by: yipes

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/30/14 04:56 PM

you can show up at the meeting ok, but you may be to late to stop it if the article in the chronicle express is correct.

`Anyone who wants to learn more about development plans for the former Penn Yan Marine property should plan to attend the Feb. 18 village board meeting. At last week's board meeting, Mayor Robert Church said he is planning to hold an informational meeting about the project and the three-way agreements that will be made between the village, Yates County and developer Chris Iversen.
The Yates County Legislature will meet at 1 p.m. that day, so it's possible the agreement will be approved at that meeting and then again at the village board meeting.`

sounds like it could be approved before the evening meeting, if you can believe the article


Read more: http://www.chronicle-express.com/article/20140128/NEWS/140129643#ixzz2rtxePDfM
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/30/14 09:55 PM

Originally Posted By: leeoh
Penn Yan's Mayor caught telling the local paper half truths has now announced that the village will share details about the three-way agreement that will be made between the village, county and developer Chris Iverson, this will be done at the PY village board meeting February 18. Here's the whole story, the county has found a loophole in the law that doesn't allow the county to provide financial assistance to Iverson by giving the village occupancy and pilot taxes then making the village spent those taxes to help Iverson in his hotel project not the boat company. That financial assistance plus $200,000 from the county to help in the cleanup of the boat company and another 490,000 grant plus $490,000 from the village taxpayers to build a new outlet trail from the boat company to Iverson's hotel plus a 1,200,000 loan provided by the village taxpayers will go to run a new sewer line along the outlet to the hotel after the village acquires the boat company from the county. The village will hold a note on the property in which Iverson will pay the village $75,000 a year for 4 years and then pay the village $24,000 for each townhouse he will builds. He told the mayor he will build one townhouse at a time and if it sells he will built another one until the total sum he pays the village will be $1,100,000, but the money will be spent on the site for infrastructure, This landmark deal will raise the village taxpayer's water, sewer and electric rates, the mayor has sold us out if he is allowed to enter into this gigantic handout agreement so show up at the meeting and tell him no.
It's all about the hotel, the boat company is a smokescreen.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/31/14 12:32 AM

Leeoh what does that even mean? The hotel is a done deal and is on a separate parcel. Again, makes no sense
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/31/14 01:31 AM

Originally Posted By: leeoh
Originally Posted By: leeoh
Penn Yan's Mayor caught telling the local paper half truths has now announced that the village will share details about the three-way agreement that will be made between the village, county and developer Chris Iverson, this will be done at the PY village board meeting February 18. Here's the whole story, the county has found a loophole in the law that doesn't allow the county to provide financial assistance to Iverson by giving the village occupancy and pilot taxes then making the village spent those taxes to help Iverson in his hotel project not the boat company. That financial assistance plus $200,000 from the county to help in the cleanup of the boat company and another 490,000 grant plus $490,000 from the village taxpayers to build a new outlet trail from the boat company to Iverson's hotel plus a 1,200,000 loan provided by the village taxpayers will go to run a new sewer line along the outlet to the hotel after the village acquires the boat company from the county. The village will hold a note on the property in which Iverson will pay the village $75,000 a year for 4 years and then pay the village $24,000 for each townhouse he will builds. He told the mayor he will build one townhouse at a time and if it sells he will built another one until the total sum he pays the village will be $1,100,000, but the money will be spent on the site for infrastructure, This landmark deal will raise the village taxpayer's water, sewer and electric rates, the mayor has sold us out if he is allowed to enter into this gigantic handout agreement so show up at the meeting and tell him no.
It's all about the hotel, the boat company is a smokescreen.
All the money is going to the hotel project in a roundabout way.
Posted by: FLDukes

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/31/14 03:04 PM

Not sure what you mean. Those are two separate properties? The hotel doesn't need the infrastructure that the housing development would. The hotel is going off right now, regardless of this boats project. So I'm not sure how it's all going back to the hotel anyway?
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/31/14 05:31 PM

Originally Posted By: FLDukes
Not sure what you mean. Those are two separate properties? The hotel doesn't need the infrastructure that the housing development would. The hotel is going off right now, regardless of this boats project. So I'm not sure how it's all going back to the hotel anyway?
Wrong the village is planning to run sewer lines up the outlet trail to the hotel and build the outlet trail to the hotel also, that is why the village is taking out a !,200.000 loan and a $980,000 matching grant and loan. Also the pilot and occupany taxes the village will receive from the county must be spent building a new road 'Mace Street' plus sidewalks and so on, now do you understand?
Posted by: FLDukes

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/31/14 06:03 PM

That's great ... if they're running the outlet trail to the hotel, how the heck does that help the developer? If anything, that helps the Village? Connecting a hotel to downtown? That's a no brainer!

I'm pretty sure Iversen isn't putting years of effort into the PY Marine site just to make a hotel "go" that has already "gone" ... come on. Who's going around PY distributing all of these tinfoil hats. Some of you are ridiculous!
Posted by: Pilot

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/31/14 06:40 PM

I don't think the outlet trail can connect to downtown while Carey's Lumber remains. I also don't see Carey's allowing the village to dig a trench in front of their office to run a sewer line. I'm sure the new line will be run along the road south of Knapp and Schlappi.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/31/14 09:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Pilot
I don't think the outlet trail can connect to downtown while Carey's Lumber remains. I also don't see Carey's allowing the village to dig a trench in front of their office to run a sewer line. I'm sure the new line will be run along the road south of Knapp and Schlappi.
Here's the scoop the sewer line will start at Roto Salt where a pump house will be located then the line will run to Iverson's hotel, the million dollar extension of the outlet trail will begin at the boat company and go to red jacket park. This will allow trail walkers to walk from Red Jacket park to Roto Salt where they can turn around and walk back after they smell the new fecal waste pump house or they can jump in the outlet and float downstream. Here's another tidbit the county will pay close to $1,500,000 to cleanup the boat company then they will give Iverson the brownfield tax credits, how sweet it is.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/01/14 05:22 PM

Originally Posted By: leeoh
Originally Posted By: Pilot
I don't think the outlet trail can connect to downtown while Carey's Lumber remains. I also don't see Carey's allowing the village to dig a trench in front of their office to run a sewer line. I'm sure the new line will be run along the road south of Knapp and Schlappi.
Here's the scoop the sewer line will start at Roto Salt where a pump house will be located then the line will run to Iverson's hotel, the million dollar extension of the outlet trail will begin at the boat company and go to red jacket park. This will allow trail walkers to walk from Red Jacket park to Roto Salt where they can turn around and walk back after they smell the new fecal waste pump house or they can jump in the outlet and float downstream. Here's another tidbit the county will pay close to $1,500,000 to cleanup the boat company then they will give Iverson the brownfield tax credits, how sweet it is.


Can you be so kind as to provide us with the source of this information? I have read the papers and spoken with some people that live in PY and have some familiarity with the project, and nothing that you have said in this entire thread is in line with what I've heard. Are you just one of those crazies that likes to think every deal or change is the end of the world?
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/01/14 06:57 PM

Originally Posted By: YCite
Originally Posted By: leeoh
Originally Posted By: Pilot
I don't think the outlet trail can connect to downtown while Carey's Lumber remains. I also don't see Carey's allowing the village to dig a trench in front of their office to run a sewer line. I'm sure the new line will be run along the road south of Knapp and Schlappi.
Here's the scoop the sewer line will start at Roto Salt where a pump house will be located then the line will run to Iverson's hotel, the million dollar extension of the outlet trail will begin at the boat company and go to red jacket park. This will allow trail walkers to walk from Red Jacket park to Roto Salt where they can turn around and walk back after they smell the new fecal waste pump house or they can jump in the outlet and float downstream. Here's another tidbit the county will pay close to $1,500,000 to cleanup the boat company then they will give Iverson the brownfield tax credits, how sweet it is.


Can you be so kind as to provide us with the source of this information? I have read the papers and spoken with some people that live in PY and have some familiarity with the project, and nothing that you have said in this entire thread is in line with what I've heard. Are you just one of those crazies that likes to think every deal or change is the end of the world?
The Mayor
Posted by: father

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/02/14 06:23 PM

Yes what a nice view that will be. Soon it will be final sold to the highest bidder for a dollar. Lets move down town by the lake right.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/03/14 09:56 PM

Originally Posted By: yipes
you can show up at the meeting ok, but you may be to late to stop it if the article in the chronicle express is correct.

`Anyone who wants to learn more about development plans for the former Penn Yan Marine property should plan to attend the Feb. 18 village board meeting. At last week's board meeting, Mayor Robert Church said he is planning to hold an informational meeting about the project and the three-way agreements that will be made between the village, Yates County and developer Chris Iversen.
The Yates County Legislature will meet at 1 p.m. that day, so it's possible the agreement will be approved at that meeting and then again at the village board meeting.`

sounds like it could be approved before the evening meeting, if you can believe the article


Read more: http://www.chronicle-express.com/article/20140128/NEWS/140129643#ixzz2rtxePDfM
They can hold any meeting they want to but the county must sell the boat company to the highest bidder unless they hold a public hearing and pass a local law that allows them to do otherwise which they have failed to do. Then the law requires that a permissive referendum must be allowed if the public comes up with 720 signatures in a petition requesting a public vote on the sale.
Posted by: Plain Dark Sedan

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/04/14 02:20 AM

Originally Posted By: de1
Originally Posted By: YCite
Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
DE--I think he explains the "Pilot" very well. The "taxpayers footing the entire bill" you are talking about is from another source. I.E. Grant money under the Obama stimulus program for Birkett Landing and the Winery on the corner. You are right, its tax dollars, but they are federal tax dollars sourced by the federal government.

If we didn't receive those dollars they would have been spent elsewhere. Its good that they came to PY and not Columbus Ohio or some other place that applied. smile


Exactly, thank you MG. The grant money was going to go elsewhere if it didn't go to Penn Yan. If you have issues with that money, take it up with the Fed not with the local government and a developer who took advantage of the program. It also provides a nice housing option to the Village ... so I'm not sure why it's such an awful thing that the VIllage benefited from the federal money.

Also, regarding the boat site development, that grant is also at the State level. It would have gone elsewhere if it didn't come to PennYan. I see this all as positive support for projects that wouldn't otherwise happen. The only "tax money" going to the boat site is for infrastructure ... and unless you want that site to sit dormant with a rotting boat factory on it for the rest of time, someone has to provide the infrastructure to the site to make it go. I just don't understand what all of the hubbub is about.


How about the developer putting in some money!He's the one that will make all the profits!!


Good point.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/04/14 03:09 AM

Originally Posted By: leeoh
Originally Posted By: yipes
you can show up at the meeting ok, but you may be to late to stop it if the article in the chronicle express is correct.

`Anyone who wants to learn more about development plans for the former Penn Yan Marine property should plan to attend the Feb. 18 village board meeting. At last week's board meeting, Mayor Robert Church said he is planning to hold an informational meeting about the project and the three-way agreements that will be made between the village, Yates County and developer Chris Iversen.
The Yates County Legislature will meet at 1 p.m. that day, so it's possible the agreement will be approved at that meeting and then again at the village board meeting.`

sounds like it could be approved before the evening meeting, if you can believe the article


Read more: http://www.chronicle-express.com/article/20140128/NEWS/140129643#ixzz2rtxePDfM
They can hold any meeting they want to but the county must sell the boat company to the highest bidder unless they hold a public hearing and pass a local law that allows them to do otherwise which they have failed to do. Then the law requires that a permissive referendum must be allowed if the public comes up with 720 signatures in a petition requesting a public vote on the sale.



leeoh--sounds like you might have a dog in this fight?
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/04/14 02:55 PM

Mean Gene ... not sure about you, but I've generally heard positive things from everyone I've spoken to about this project. It seems to have a lot of excitement behind it. I'm generally confused but, alas, not surprised by the responses from some of the more vocal posters on here. As tends to be the case in most instances on here, those most vocal are in the extreme minority. Just seems like there's an underlying agenda on the part of a few posters to stir up controversy on almost anything. My guess is that's the case here, too.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/04/14 03:34 PM

I agree, a lot of what is posted on here is BS. That being said, it does give people an agenda to speak to items they are concerned about without revealing their identity. I don't have the "identity" issue. Some would be afraid to speak out if their name is revealed.

The downside is it gives a platform for the uninformed and those who just want to rant about something without knowing the facts.

The way leeoh is posting it makes me think he has some inside knowledge of this proposed project and feels strongly that the taxpayers are getting the short end of the stick. Either that or he or someone close to him was shut out in their attempt to develop that site.

I don't have all the dollars and sense to make an informed decision. I am happy that there is some movement in getting that area developed and hope that we can look back 10-15 years from now and be happy the way things developed! smile
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/05/14 04:28 PM

Originally Posted By: leeoh
Originally Posted By: yipes
you can show up at the meeting ok, but you may be to late to stop it if the article in the chronicle express is correct.

`Anyone who wants to learn more about development plans for the former Penn Yan Marine property should plan to attend the Feb. 18 village board meeting. At last week's board meeting, Mayor Robert Church said he is planning to hold an informational meeting about the project and the three-way agreements that will be made between the village, Yates County and developer Chris Iversen.
The Yates County Legislature will meet at 1 p.m. that day, so it's possible the agreement will be approved at that meeting and then again at the village board meeting.`

sounds like it could be approved before the evening meeting, if you can believe the article


Read more: http://www.chronicle-express.com/article/20140128/NEWS/140129643#ixzz2rtxePDfM
They can hold any meeting they want to but the county must sell the boat company to the highest bidder unless they hold a public hearing and pass a local law that allows them to do otherwise which they have failed to do. Then the law requires that a permissive referendum must be allowed if the public comes up with 720 signatures in a petition requesting a public vote on the sale.
It now appears you might be right the county's attorney dropped the ball on the public hearing and the agreement under the present conditions will never take place, can't the county and village ever do anything right?
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/05/14 10:05 PM

You get what you pay for, the county may be better off hiring and paying a full time attorney who is experienced in municipal law and eliminate the county administrator position.

The department heads then can be responsible for running their own areas (like they used to) while answering to legislators on their respective committees.

The shared service study between Yates and Schuyler could and should indicate a shared administrator, or no administrator and a full time attorney who has experience in county/municipal and real estate law. smile
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/19/14 12:49 PM

So last night was the public hearing? Did anyone go? I totally forgot ... but I would have expected some backlash on this site or at least some report on what happened considering the extreme anger that existed!
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/19/14 01:25 PM

Do you think it would have really mattered? It sounds like everything was already in place. The local politicians don't care what people think! They are going to do what they want to do and what's in their best interest.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/19/14 03:38 PM

Originally Posted By: de1
Do you think it would have really mattered? It sounds like everything was already in place. The local politicians don't care what people think! They are going to do what they want to do and what's in their best interest.


So did you go? Did you voice your opinion? I thought you were rallying the troops on here a few weeks ago. I guess I'll have to wait and see what the paper had to say about the meeting, then.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/21/14 03:52 PM

Originally Posted By: de1
Do you think it would have really mattered? It sounds like everything was already in place. The local politicians don't care what people think! They are going to do what they want to do and what's in their best interest.
You are right they don't care and the deal will be sealed next week, get prepared to pay higher property taxes along with higher water, sewer and electric rates village residents.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/21/14 05:50 PM

Okay ... so I spoke to someone AT the meeting last week. Apparently there were a few simple questions from the public, but the very large crowd was all positive. WHY DON'T SOME OF YOU B*&$#hers AND MOANERS DO YOUR CIVIC DUTY AND ATTEND THESE EVENTS AND SPEAK UP INSTEAD OF SITTING ON THE INTERNETS AND COMPLAINING ALL DAY.

People (COMPLAINERS) in this world really bug the hell out of me. If you have a problem, instead of being mr. internet tough guy or mr. all I do is complain on internet message boards ... why don't you stand up for what you believe in.

JEeeez
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/21/14 06:35 PM

Do think it would do any good to speak up. The decisions are already made along time before the meetings. Look at the budget meetings as an example. People show up and want cuts and offer suggestions and they are ignored and we get a double digit budget increase last year. YC was the only county around that didn't cut a significant amount of employees to help with the budget. Maybe this year there is a chance with some of the old timers out.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/21/14 07:19 PM

Originally Posted By: de1
Do think it would do any good to speak up. The decisions are already made along time before the meetings. Look at the budget meetings as an example. People show up and want cuts and offer suggestions and they are ignored and we get a double digit budget increase last year. YC was the only county around that didn't cut a significant amount of employees to help with the budget. Maybe this year there is a chance with some of the old timers out.


Okay, touche there. I'm not saying YC is totally clean and run smoothly I just get sick of the negativity on here sometimes, especially when there's such a "promising" project as this.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/21/14 07:20 PM

Originally Posted By: de1
Do think it would do any good to speak up. The decisions are already made along time before the meetings. Look at the budget meetings as an example. People show up and want cuts and offer suggestions and they are ignored and we get a double digit budget increase last year. YC was the only county around that didn't cut a significant amount of employees to help with the budget. Maybe this year there is a chance with some of the old timers out.




de1 has hit the nail on the head. Most of the financial decisions are discussed in executive session or between committee members before the public session. Sure, some things can change but usually significant cuts are not made at the public meetings unless there has been a prior discussion.

The same goes for hiring and promotions. Committee's make the decision prior to a meeting and its just a formality when someone is promoted. Sometimes board personnel decisions are made without the best intrest of who they represent. its called politics.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/28/14 05:53 PM

Originally Posted By: leeoh
Originally Posted By: de1
Do you think it would have really mattered? It sounds like everything was already in place. The local politicians don't care what people think! They are going to do what they want to do and what's in their best interest.
You are right they don't care and the deal will be sealed next week, get prepared to pay higher property taxes along with higher water, sewer and electric rates village residents.
The village will be spending over $5,000,000 on this foolish agreement, the sad part of the deal is that the mayor is proud of what he has done.
Posted by: Honestly

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/03/14 01:19 AM

Originally Posted By: helpme
Originally Posted By: leeoh
Originally Posted By: de1
Do you think it would have really mattered? It sounds like everything was already in place. The local politicians don't care what people think! They are going to do what they want to do and what's in their best interest.
You are right they don't care and the deal will be sealed next week, get prepared to pay higher property taxes along with higher water, sewer and electric rates village residents.
The village will be spending over $5,000,000 on this foolish agreement, the sad part of the deal is that the mayor is proud of what he has done.
Look up SHIPPO and SEQR..

PY needs to wake up!! The tayers of the Village of PY are about to take a Bath, to say nothing of the County Taxpayers who, thanks to the deal are in the same boat.

Read the Amazing agreement between the municipalities, it's Stunning and unpresendented, believe me!
Posted by: Honestly

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/03/14 01:22 AM

People, do the reseach,it's easy. Just make some calls for crying out loud.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/05/14 06:24 PM

There was quite a lengthy article in the Chronicle-Express about the deal today. Also, below the fold article on the IDA ... glad to see they've been recognized as high-performing in the world.
Posted by: de1

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/06/14 06:00 AM

Originally Posted By: YCite
There was quite a lengthy article in the Chronicle-Express about the deal today. Also, below the fold article on the IDA ... glad to see they've been recognized as high-performing in the world.


My question is high performing for what? LOL! Other than giving some sweetheart deals to developers what have they done? YC is one of the poorest in the state. There are no decent paying manufacturing or industrial jobs here! Thus their name Industrial Development Agency is nothing but a big joke!!
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/13/14 08:15 PM

Originally Posted By: helpme
Originally Posted By: TheKing
where do you get this info?
Resolution No. 92-2013 passed by the village board December 17, 2013, the PILOT AGREEMENT for the two new hotels is that the county will now pay the developer's village taxes for the next 10 years. I wonder where the county gets their money from? BUT the county makes the village take the revenue from "ELM STREET Microtel HOTEL PILOT AGREEMENT and the LAKEFRONT HAMPTON HOTEL PILOT AGREEMENT and use it for improvements to roads, recreation area[s], sidewalks and the Keuka lake outlet trail, and the financing thereof, IN A AREA west of Lake street and east of the Keuka Lake outlet and KEUKA LAKE [the Infrastructure Project] AND the village covenants that it is aware of the laws governing the USE OF PAYMENTS provided under this agreement, and the village agrees to use the payments disbursed pursuant to this agreement only in the manner so allowed. The Village Board at the October board meeting vote to take out a $2,000,000 half grant half loan for this Lake street project and then have the village residents pay it back by charging us higher water, sewer, electric rates, that information came from a village trustee, and this came from 2 board members, it was part of the UNWRITTEN AGREMENT that the village will buy the toxic boat company and that the developer has back-out of the plans he proposed to the county and village. To me it looks like the LAKEFRONT HAMPTON INN PROJECT investors have a lot of pull.
You were right the resolution had to be rewritten and adopted this week by the county.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 06/13/14 10:35 PM

Originally Posted By: leeoh
Penn Yan's Mayor caught telling the local paper half truths has now announced that the village will share details about the three-way agreement that will be made between the village, county and developer Chris Iverson, this will be done at the PY village board meeting February 18. Here's the whole story, the county has found a loophole in the law that doesn't allow the county to provide financial assistance to Iverson by giving the village occupancy and pilot taxes then making the village spent those taxes to help Iverson in his hotel project not the boat company. That financial assistance plus $200,000 from the county to help in the cleanup of the boat company and another 490,000 grant plus a 1,200,000 loan provided by the village taxpayers will go to run a new sewer line along the outlet to the hotel after the village acquires the boat company from the county. The village will hold a note on the property in which Iverson will pay the village $75,000 a year for 4 years and then pay the village $24,000 for each townhouse he will builds. He told the mayor he will build one townhouse at a time and if it sells he will built another one until the total sum he pays the village will be $1,100,000, but the money will be spent on the site for infrastructure, This landmark deal will raise the village taxpayer's water, sewer and electric rates, the mayor has sold us out if he is allowed to enter into this gigantic handout so show up at the meeting and tell him no.
Now Iverson wants the village to pay for the new outlet trail that he agreed to build from Red Jacket park to the boat company and then turn over to the village, must be the $5,000,000 handout from the village taxpayers isn't enough.
Posted by: scwoodchuck

Re: Mayor sells out? - 06/14/14 03:24 PM

One question, why is it that most people think every inch of lake front property has to be developed ? The biggest problem with the Finger Lakes is TOO MUCH develpment of the WRONG KIND and not enough public access. When I go for a boat ride, the last thing I want to look at is somebodies house.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 06/22/14 06:47 PM

Originally Posted By: leeoh
Penn Yan's Mayor caught telling the local paper half truths has now announced that the village will share details about the three-way agreement that will be made between the village, county and developer Chris Iverson, this will be done at the PY village board meeting February 18. Here's the whole story, the county has found a loophole in the law that doesn't allow the county to provide financial assistance to Iverson by giving the village occupancy and pilot taxes then making the village spent those taxes to help Iverson in his hotel project not the boat company. That financial assistance plus $200,000 from the county to help in the cleanup of the boat company and another 490,000 grant plus a 1,200,000 loan provided by the village taxpayers will go to run a new sewer line along the outlet to the hotel after the village acquires the boat company from the county. The village will hold a note on the property in which Iverson will pay the village $75,000 a year for 4 years and then pay the village $24,000 for each townhouse he will builds. He told the mayor he will build one townhouse at a time and if it sells he will built another one until the total sum he pays the village will be $1,100,000, but the money will be spent on the site for infrastructure, This landmark deal will raise the village taxpayer's water, sewer and electric rates, the mayor has sold us out if he is allowed to enter into this gigantic handout so show up at the meeting and tell him no.
The village sticks the taxpayers with paying back a $5,000,000 handout and Iverson won't even mow his hay field next to red jacket park, thanks trustee Church for selling us out.
Posted by: father

Re: Mayor sells out? - 07/03/14 09:55 PM

Maybe he does not own a mower?
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 09/18/14 10:50 PM

Originally Posted By: de1
Do you think it would have really mattered? It sounds like everything was already in place. The local politicians don't care what people think! They are going to do what they want to do and what's in their best interest.
Like a $2,000,000 dead end road.
Posted by: young guns

Re: Mayor sells out? - 09/22/14 01:15 AM

Do you think it would have really mattered? It sounds like everything was already in place. The local politicians don't care what people think! They are going to do what they want to do and what's in their best interest.

Hey don't feel bad you are not the only village or town to go through issues like this. It's called "Take the money and run"
to hell with the people that voted for me/them. The money Pay-Backs count much more than dumb tax payers with no voice into
the issues
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 10/26/14 04:05 PM

Originally Posted By: helpme
Mayor Church claims that the village has received a matching grant for a total of $980,000 to run a sewer line along the outlet to the county owned boat company, he also claims " this is an opportunity to do something that needs to be done and have others pay for it" Those others he is talking about is the "Village taxpayers", that matching grant is actually a $490,000 grant and the village will match it by taking out a $1,200,000 loan that will be put in the Municipal department budget which will led to higher sewer, water and electric rates for village residents. Where does he think the grant comes from the people of North Korea? The citizens of Penn Yan will get Shafted if this deal is allowed to take place, call the Mayor and request a public hearing so the public will hear the truth and "Whole story.
Once again the taxpayers were lied to, now the developer states he will build less than half of the units that he agreed to, now that the loan and the road to higher taxes have taken place the former mayor and his close friend have exposed their true color, $$$ GREEN at the village taxpayers expense.
Posted by: voice

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/15/14 01:06 AM

I see Iverson got another $750,000 economic development grant! Told you he never uses much of his own money on his projects!
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/29/15 01:40 AM

Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
"J" I went on line and read the Chronicle article, doesn't look like anyone has sold out-yet. The Mayor made it very clear they were just meeting a filing deadline for the no intrest-low intrest loan. He said it doesn't mean they have to actually apply for it if they are approved to go ahead with it.

I do agree with MC that the time is now to get a commitment from Yates County to share sales tax revenue. There is no way the Village residents should be footing over a one million dollar infrastructure improvement so the PY boats site can be developed. Especially if there is going to be lodging, retail or anything that generates revenue for the County that the Village will not benefit from. Residential property expansion does not help the tax base nearly as much as commercial development.

The County and Village should be bending over backwards to get more commerical development going in Yates County.

As it stands now the County will reap all the benefits and the Village residents will be carrying the load!


That's right MG the county will reap all the benefits and the village will be carrying the load. Now it has come to light that the boat basin is planned to be built on village property the fireman's field, one little catch thou the village can't sell the property because the village purchased the land by using state money. Therefore the agreement between the county, village and the developer is void, I wonder what the firemen think of the former mayor's attempt of trying to sell them out?
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/04/15 07:10 PM

Well its obvious since your last post that the County ponied up money to help offset the Village's infrastructure costs. The county came up with all sorts of creative ideas to provide funding so they didn't have to cave in and just share sales tax money like most other counties do!!
As far as the firemen's field, I see no mention of that in the plans that are moving forward. I'm sure if the Village does something "illegal" that someone will step up and call them on it! smile
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/05/15 02:13 AM

The Village can't sell the firemen field, in 1962 the village bought the firemen field and a strip of land along the channel running from the boat company to the falling dock with state grant money. Therefore the village is prevented from selling the property unless that state legislators pass a bill allowing them to. To close the boat company sale the developer who plans to build a boat basin adjacent to the firemen field has now agreed to build a public dock for the village as a result of his encroaching on village property. The village's plans to have the developer build the outlet trail from the boat company to Red Jacket Park has gone up in smoke because they don't own it, in the year of 1962 the village who was going to purchased a strip of waterfront from the falling dock to Red Jacket Park failed to, after they had received a request from some of the good ole boys of the American Legion not to.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/05/15 07:35 PM

I could be wrong, but I think in most cases where state money is used to purchase land or renovate property, there is a limit to how long the property has to be owned ... usually around 5 to 10 years depending on the project. In that case, the Village or whoever bought that land with state grant money in 1962, would have well-surpassed that ownership period.

PLUS, even if the state has to vote on the issue ... I doubt anyone will object? Why would the state want to get in the way of this project by upholding a purchase that occurred with state funds from 1962 when most legislators were in diapers?

At worst this might be a minor oversight that might require some sort of action at the state level. What's the big deal with that?
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/06/15 01:13 PM

You are wrong.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/06/15 09:00 PM

Originally Posted By: leeoh
The Village can't sell the firemen field, in 1962 the village bought the firemen field and a strip of land along the channel running from the boat company to the falling dock with state grant money. Therefore the village is prevented from selling the property unless that state legislators pass a bill allowing them to. To close the boat company sale the developer who plans to build a boat basin adjacent to the firemen field has now agreed to build a public dock for the village as a result of his encroaching on village property. The village's plans to have the developer build the outlet trail from the boat company to Red Jacket Park has gone up in smoke because they don't own it, in the year of 1962 the village who was going to purchased a strip of waterfront from the falling dock to Red Jacket Park failed to, after they had received a request from some of the good ole boys of the American Legion not to.
That strip of land only goes from the boat company to the end of the firemen field, the reason it ends there is because of the special deal the village made with the American Legion. That's why the Village decided there was no reason to purchased any more waterfront in that area, now the former Mayor's plan to have the developer build the outlet trail from the boat company to Red Jacket is gone up in smoke and now has probably screwed-up the sale of the boat company, nice move Bob.
Posted by: yipes

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/09/15 05:40 PM

Now I am confused! How did `Bob`, who was probably a Little Leaguer back in 1962, influence the `then' village board to create this agreement with the American Legion that is now haunting this project?
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/14/15 06:50 PM

The parties involved in the sale and development of the old boat company now claim that a survey has been completed and a little mistake has been found, the developer will need to borrow a 64 by 100 foot section of the fireman's field to built his private boat basin. One little problem with this giving away a section of our village park is that it can't be done, unless the state passes a special bill, and that won't happen. So it now appears that it's a no deal, trustee Church who once claim the Boat company development deal would be his greatest achievement as Mayor, he now can't be found for a statement.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/16/15 02:15 AM

If that is in fact true, special legislation has been passed for lesser things in the past.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/16/15 03:07 PM

Not when it comes to parks the State makes one replace the land of equal value and location, the state didn't pass the losap forgiveness bill for the village.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/17/15 02:04 PM

The village shall undertake construction of roadways to and including the bridge over Kimball Gully for purposes of ingress and egress and improvements to the extension of Hicks Street from Lake Street to the boat company; and construction, installation, and extension of utility mains from Hicks Street to and including the bridge over Kimball Gully. Utility mains from Mace Street to Hicks Street across the so-called "fireman's Field" located adjacent to the property owned by village, plus if required, a secondary vehicle access way to the property. Plus millions of $ of loans the village will take out, loans that will be paid back by village taxpayers. Now the village wants to give him 64 by 100 of waterfront for his "private boat basin, not going to happen.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/17/15 05:23 PM

leeoh ... what exactly is your agenda? I can kind of understand the "don't spend my tax money" mentality ... but you do realize that in order to make more money for the area, bring more jobs, etc., these investments need to happen, right?

Also, in a rural area that is just on the reaches of "suburbia" these sort of investments are necessary to get the ball rolling toward a wealthier community. I'm just not sure what you want in all of this? No development at all?

All developers get deals like this. It's how you make development projects happen. There's always an incentive package ... that's what makes one location more intriguing than another ... just the nature of the beast. But you just seem so bitter. It's not a good look.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/17/15 11:26 PM

The fireman's field was bought with state grant money that came with conditions that protects the land for the village residents, laws prevent irresponsible village boards from giving away or selling the people's parks, if you don't like that then that's tuff for you because that's the law.
Posted by: laxman

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/18/15 10:31 AM

but does py need 3 hotels i dont think so.and this developer should have to put up some of his own money!!
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/18/15 03:41 PM

The answer to the Hotel question is a Yes for sure during the spring-summer & fall. Whether they can sustain enough business in the winter with three remains to be seen. I have a friend who lives across from the Best Western. He told me when he used to get up early in the morning for work in the dead of winter that the parking lot was always full there. Relatives associated with Keuka and maybe even overflow from Hobart and William Smith probably would be regular users in the winter. Time will tell. Regarding your comment about the developer, I believe he has some skin in the game regarding the building of the Hotel. He originally bought the Restaurant and adjoining land for the hotel. Its progress which is geared toward our area's biggest business--Tourism!! smile
Posted by: py.eternal.cynic

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/19/15 11:07 PM

build it and they will come....increased tax revenue, money spent in the community, improved economic conditions for the people of yates county.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/20/15 12:42 AM

The hotel will get built but the boat company sale won't take place, former Mayor Church's failed promise to Iverson that he would deliver the fireman's field will not take place, nice going Bob you really shouldn't make promises you can't deliver.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/25/15 04:28 PM

Well leeoh, someone brought up the same thing on the "you know you are from Penn Yan site" on FB. I see Jim Moon posted there that he just went to a meeting on it and everything is moving forward. Where are you getting your "scoop" from?
Either your info is wrong or they are stonewalling area business people about the truth of the matter.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/25/15 11:00 PM

If u want the truth get online and read todays local paper's story about it.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/26/15 01:06 AM

I read it, the only reference was the Village Board did not act as expected on part of the plan involving development. I can only guess you are inferring that they did not act because there is an issue that is stopping them from moving forward.

Perhaps they are waiting for the developer to get his approval to move forward because of the "buffer zone" requirement involving the D.E.C. There is no mention that the project was not going to move forward. smile
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/26/15 01:33 AM

The village didn't act because they can't, the law prevents the village from allowing Iverson from developing the fireman's field into his private boat basin. The article quotes Iverson as saying that the success of the project depends on developing the firemen's field, which will never happen because the village has now been exposed in their stupid attempt to give away a portion of a village park.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/26/15 02:27 AM

I didn't see a quote from Iversen in the online article. Maybe I missed it or its not in the on line version!
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/26/15 01:17 PM

MG the whole story is now on line, former Mayor Church knew a year ago that the fireman's field couldn't be legally included in the development, but he kept it from the public hoping no one would contact the state, now his sleaziness has killed the boat sale deal.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/26/15 05:52 PM

OK I read two different articles in the Chronicle online site. It does mention the Village didn't act at the last meeting. Everything else indicates that the project is moving forward with Iversen asking for village residents support and input because of the "buffer zone". He states it is not an unusual request. I always thought the DEC didn't hand out permits for people who wanted to mess with protected wetland areas.

I don't see anything where it says the project has come to a halt or isn't going to happen because of the unavailability of the parcel on the firemens' field. The mention of a "public dock" might be a way around the restrictions. I guess time will tell!
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/26/15 06:33 PM

I think it's pretty obvious Leeoh has an agenda ... one that is quite strongly positioned against the development of that site. That's fine ... but to blatantly lie, make things up, etc. with really no proof to back the claim, is ridiculous.

I'm all for stirring the pot and disagreeing with a project. But I can't find anything to indicate that your "sky is falling" and "smoke is everywhere, wait for the fire" is, in any way, remotely factual.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 02/27/15 01:14 PM

You're right I do have an agenda, it's to educate ignorant individuals like you and county and village officials who want to ignore state laws and attempt to give away public park land to benefit the good ole boys, but that ain't gonna happen on my watch.
Posted by: py.eternal.cynic

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/01/15 03:00 AM

iverson is trying to do a good thing for your community. yes, he is going to make money on the deal, but so does every developer. bringing your village up to date, and for that matter, your county, can only benefit the residents and business owners of your county by increasing services, shopping, tax revenue, etc. so as usual, lets complain about every little aspect and try and complicate it. too bad really because people will go spend their money in areas surrounding you.

ok pundits, fire away....
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/02/15 01:10 AM

The agreement between the county, village and Iverson is dead, because the Village Board doesn't have the legal authority to give Iverson an portion of the firemen's field for his private boat basin. State authorities have been notified of the village's intentions and responded by claiming the village would be violating state laws. The village has known for two years that they were prohibited from including the firemen's field in this agreement but continued with their pipe dream and recently have taken out 2 loans out in support of this foolish project, 2 loans that village taxpayers will have to pay back. Village residents must contact members of the village board and tell them not to break the law by entering into this " illegal agreement", because if it goes to court the village will lose and then village residents will be stuck with paying the legal bill.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/02/15 01:50 PM

Leeoh ... you're the only place I have heard this reported. Even the "noise" about it on facebook and social media (there's not much) is generated referencing THIS thread and YOUR posts. Where is there any proof? The local media would surely report if there was a juicy story like this ... but from all reports I have seen the project is still going forward ...

Will you eat crow when this goes in?
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/03/15 07:17 PM

Originally Posted By: YCite
Leeoh ... you're the only place I have heard this reported. Even the "noise" about it on facebook and social media (there's not much) is generated referencing THIS thread and YOUR posts. Where is there any proof? The local media would surely report if there was a juicy story like this ... but from all reports I have seen the project is still going forward ...

Will you eat crow when this goes in?
How come the deal hasn't taken place? Leeoh is correct the agreement won't take place, one nice juicy steak for Leeoh.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/09/15 01:47 AM

Now that that the boat company agreement appears to be DOA plan B comes into play, Sheriff Spike needs a new jail and that puts the old boat company back on the drawing board.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/09/15 02:33 AM

That's been on his wish list for several years now! They were looking at an addition years ago until they found out the property where the "Flour shop" is now located is in a flood zone.

I would not be surprised if Sarah and he came up with a plan. With the state regulations on how prisoners are supervised I can see a pitch being made that a new jail with "PODS" would allow them to cut back on the number of Correction officers. Throw in some prisoner boarding and they will show the County what a great long term spending plan they have. I would think that the Village would have some zoning say on the usage at the PY Marine site. smile
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/09/15 02:36 AM

IMHO the county should stand pat with their jail. Figure out how they can run the current jail with less C.O's. Maybe close the dorms, eliminate some C.O positions and board out prisoners if they become overcrowded.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/10/15 09:51 PM

The story is that they're pitching for a much bigger jail, claiming that it will boost the county's revenue.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/11/15 01:05 AM

Of course they are pitching for a bigger jail. A pie in the sky request that will be chopped down in size. The county than can say they reduced the size of the request and the Sheriff can act like he didn't get what he wanted. I think they call that a Win, Win for the County and the Sheriff and a Loss for the taxpayers! smile

Makes me think of a new fire truck request many years ago at the Village level. A VB member told the PYFD to load up their request for a truck with all the bells and whistles so they could cut out some of the frills at the VB level and authorize a Bond to buy the truck at a reduced price so it would look like the VB cut costs. Problem was no one complained when the request was made and they bought the deluxe model! smile
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/13/15 03:34 AM

The village and the county in a desperate attempt to save the boat company agreement have come up with a new stupid and illegal idea, they think that they can get away with having the village file a "quick claim deed" that will give village park land that isn't properly labeled on county records to Iverson. This park land surrounds the boat company on the outlet side, land that was acquired in 1962 using state grant funds. The big question here is who mislabeled this land and then filed it in the county clerks office?
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/13/15 07:15 PM

leeoh ... what? I've asked around ... none of what you say seems to be remotely true or even a point of discussion with anyone? Not sure where you get this stuff
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/13/15 08:54 PM

Originally Posted By: YCite
leeoh ... what? I've asked around ... none of what you say seems to be remotely true or even a point of discussion with anyone? Not sure where you get this stuff
Maybe you should ask the right people, start with the mayor.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/13/15 08:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Of course they are pitching for a bigger jail. A pie in the sky request that will be chopped down in size. The county than can say they reduced the size of the request and the Sheriff can act like he didn't get what he wanted. I think they call that a Win, Win for the County and the Sheriff and a Loss for the taxpayers! smile

Makes me think of a new fire truck request many years ago at the Village level. A VB member told the PYFD to load up their request for a truck with all the bells and whistles so they could cut out some of the frills at the VB level and authorize a Bond to buy the truck at a reduced price so it would look like the VB cut costs. Problem was no one complained when the request was made and they bought the deluxe model! smile
MG I heard that Spike has a new boat with radar and sonar ordered along with an jet ski that comes equipped with tommy guns,
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/13/15 11:33 PM

I'm sure he is getting new boats, he has those grants that are available down pat. That's why the YCSO has multiple boats and wave runners. smile
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/23/15 10:07 PM

The village passed a resolution today allowing Iverson to dig a channel on the fireman field, the village was told by state officials of the parks and recreation and preservation department not to take any action until the state inspected the park this Thursday. This foolish and desperate move by the village will most likely end up in court and cost the taxpayers of PY ten of thousands of $, not one board member had read the resolution before the meeting, jerks.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/23/15 10:33 PM

Really--well someone must have been at the meeting to hear someone on the board comment this was the first they had seen the resolution? Seems strange, this is a legal issue that I'm guessing was discussed in executive session at some point before the document was drawn up.

Sounds like the property will be inspected prior to any digging if the state people are headed there by Thursday.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/23/15 10:51 PM

No One objected, sheep. The state wants to see blueprints and plans to determine if they will allow any intrusion on park land without state legislative approval. I'm sure only the mayor and Brockman knew the state was coming that's why the hurry up vote
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/28/15 03:16 AM

Yesterday the village held a private meeting, in attendance were three state employees of the state parks and recreation, Developer Iverson, the county sent Purdy, Dennis, Attorney Falvey and the county planner, those representing the village were village attorney Brockman, and the clerk and village employee Bodine and four village board members attended. The very fact that four board members attended means that it became a illegality held Public Meeting. Iverson was told to come up with a alternet private boat basin plan or to apply to the state legislature for permission. The Mayor was told to supply a survey of the land in question and to supply plans of the boat basin, he failed to on both request made from the state. The two lawyers claimed that a survey was impossible therefore a bounty line would have to do. The state has their own surveyor and he will do a survey if necessary. The village also confessed to the fact that some how someone took out a " Mortgage on the "FIREMANS FIELD", that's right maybe that's why the county and the village are hiding the survey and mortgage. If that isn't enough bad news to kill the sinking boat deal than this might be, The state was notified today that the newly built Mace road was built on the "fireman's Field" and now must be removed. This should be fun to watch play out, boneheads.
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/28/15 02:55 PM

http://www.chronicle-express.com/article/20150324/NEWS/150329853

It's okay leeoh ... I can't blame you for having terrible sources. You just might want to start rethinking who it is you trust that is feeding you this information. Poor guy.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/28/15 03:35 PM

Originally Posted By: YCite
http://www.chronicle-express.com/article/20150324/NEWS/150329853

It's okay leeoh ... I can't blame you for having terrible sources. You just might want to start rethinking who it is you trust that is feeding you this information. Poor guy.
My sources are the officials of the state park and recreation department who oversee parks that are bought with state and federal grants, and lawyers from the attorney general office who will enforce park laws. Yes folks the good ole boys have lose this one, sore losers.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/29/15 11:45 AM

I wonder how the county's attorney Scott Falvey and the village's attorney Ed Brockman will explain why they told state officials that there was no survey done of the fireman field and that it would be to difficult to have one done, now that it has been proven that one was done at the request of the county by surveyor Rich Wilson? How will the village board justify why the village violated state parks laws by constructing a paved road "Mace Street" on the fireman's field?
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/29/15 03:43 PM

As far as the survey, it would not be beyond comprehension that neither attorney knew the survey was done. One hand often does not know what the other is doing!! It appears the County, Village and Iversen are jumping thru hoops and adjusting as they go to move this project forward. They are using a clever "use" agreement instead of selling or transferring the questioned property to move this forward. smile
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/09/15 01:49 AM

MG their clever "use" agreement has backfired in their faces, now the state has uncovered evidence that the fireman field includes property north and west of Hicks Street where Iverson had plans to built townhouses. This was already known but kept from the public by village, town, and county lawmakers and public officers, now it appears that the tax maps of this property were altered to reflect that the county owned the parcel. Stay tuned as this story unfolds it will expose our local and county lawmakers for the sleaze bags that we always knew they were.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/09/15 03:42 PM

Let the drama unfold! Do the Volunteer Firemen have a lawyer they hired to fight this, or is this information all being discovered in the ordinary course of the project trying to move forward?

I personally think making this happen over there is not a bad idea. The Firemen are keeping their field, a hazardous waste area is being developed which will certainly be a plus tax wise and economically for the Village and businesses. More people equates to more money spent in the local economy. Just sayin.... smile
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/09/15 03:50 PM

But ... Mean Gene ... LOUD NOISES! LOOK AT ME! FKL JAKLJDHFAKLHDSF CORRUPTION! ASDFLKJADKJF POLITICS ASDKLFJALKSDF TRAITORS! ASDFJLADKFJ

Oh ... you mean this is a good project?!

Do you really expect LeeOh to get down off his/her soap box? There seems to be a clear agenda here. Not sure what it is but it seems really bizarre ... they've got an axe to grind with someone for something.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/09/15 07:33 PM

well without much investigating I would guess its:
A: someone who would stand to gain more money if this project failed and another went forward in its place.
B: Passionate Volunteer Fireman who doesn't want the project encroaching on the field. Or
C: Full time community activist , getting inside info from someone involved in this project.

I am going with "A" --- its all about the money! smile
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/10/15 06:14 PM

Wrong MG it's someone who cares about the firemen who were told that it was their field, and now after the firemen have spent tens of thousands of dollars putting up buildings on the site have now find out that the village board lied to them. Now the firemen have learned that the village board and the county have been caught by the state trying to give the property away to a developer. Yes our brave firemen whose votes have put these jokers in office now know that the village board did attempted to sell them out, The current mayor liar lee, trustee bumbling bob and clue ball willy who will soon be forced to resign are the turncoats.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/10/15 08:49 PM

Well, from all signs it doesn't look like the firemen are going to lose their field and buildings if this project goes forward. If this happens what are the firemen being deprived of? Do they have to tear their buildings down? Can they no longer have events over at the field?

In any event, I hope all the parties can work something out. I see no upside to the project being scuttled unless someone else is waiting in the wings with a better proposal that makes everyone happy.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/11/15 12:18 AM

MG the firemen have already lost everything the field and buildings now belong to all to share equally. The big news is that property north and west of Hicks Street also belongs to the village, this fact has been kept secret from the public for 40 years and known only by a few county and village lawmakers until now. Iverson had plans to build some of his townhouse on this land, but now that this has been been make public those plans have been flushed down the outlet. What a screw up, the village and county's ignorance have now killed this agreement and most likely cost the taxpayers millions.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/13/15 01:47 AM

Ycite call the mayor and ask him if the state has requested of him to provide a deed to prove whether or not the village owns the parking lot north of Hick Street, and why he has fail to provide the deed, is he afraid of what it will reveal? ? Then call the local paper 536-4422 and ask the author why she isn't pursuing the facts and truth of this story. The truth is that the county and village have been caught trying to give away village parkland and now they don't know what to do but lie.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/30/15 03:57 AM

Well after reading the article in the Chronicle Express I can't say I am surprised that the Village's attorney couldn't figure out where property lines were. Seems he either isn't on the ball or intentionally didn't want to find something.

If I was on the Village Board I would not have a warm fuzzy feeling about my attorney right now. Neither answer to that question is a good one. frown

On another note I understand that someone in a governmental agency (who doesn't have a dog in this fight) who has a lot of experience doing partnered developer-municipal agreements looked at the agreement for the Boat site. Their comment was "Great deal for the developer".
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/30/15 02:58 PM

Couple things ...

Props to Leeoh on actually being right here. However, I think he clearly blew his cover as the Chronicle article makes it pretty clear Robert Hawley is the one who has been digging extensively in the background ...

And then, at the end of the day, if leeoh/Hawley are the reason this development don't go forward, why is Hawley anti development and trying to destroy what can only be described as a good project for the community?

So props leeoh ... you clearly knew what you were talking about ... but why are you trying to derail a good thing? Seems petty.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 05/01/15 11:28 AM

Couple things
Of course I was right and u were wrong and u don't know who I am, also I'm not against the development. Now the truth is out that the village got caught red handed trying to give away part of the firemen field, then this week they were once again caught lying about it when they passed a resolution claiming the board in 1972 mislabeled the parcels that they were swapping with the boat company. Under the present Mayor and the former Mayor they have been exposed for what they really are two individuals who are liars, these two good ole boys attempted to pass laws that they were false in their effort to steal public park lands and give to Iverson. They are a disgrace to our community and the office they hold and must now resign from the village board that they have dishonored, good work Bob Hawley.
Posted by: yipes

Re: Mayor sells out? - 05/01/15 05:25 PM

Of course it's a great deal for the developer, he wouldn't take it if it wasn't. He also just acquired the old Ford garage property between Water & Wagner St. for 300K, what do think is up with that?
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 05/06/15 09:45 PM

Originally Posted By: leeoh
Couple things
Of course I was right and u were wrong and u don't know who I am, also I'm not against the development. Now the truth is out that the village got caught red handed trying to give away part of the firemen field, then this week they were once again caught lying about it when they passed a resolution claiming the board in 1972 mislabeled the parcels that they were swapping with the boat company. Under the present Mayor and the former Mayor they have been exposed for what they really are two individuals who are liars, these two good ole boys attempted to pass laws that they were false in their effort to steal public park lands and give to Iverson. They are a disgrace to our community and the office they hold and must now resign from the village board that they have dishonored, good work Bob Hawley.
The local paper today also catches the mayor in a lie about the state telling him everything will pass, let us not forget he was the mayor in 2000 when LOSAP was adopted and he oversaw the pension which ended up overpaying a relative and other fireman to the tune of $160,000. Now he has been caught trying to give Iverson over 9,000 feet of waterfront and when he was caught he tried to lie about it and when that failed he blamed it on BH, does he crawl to get around? The village blew this deal and now he has to take credit and resign if he is a man, but we won't see that happen.
Posted by: 1964

Re: Mayor sells out? - 05/14/15 01:36 AM

Originally Posted By: leeoh
Couple things
Of course I was right and u were wrong and u don't know who I am, also I'm not against the development. Now the truth is out that the village got caught red handed trying to give away part of the firemen field, then this week they were once again caught lying about it when they passed a resolution claiming the board in 1972 mislabeled the parcels that they were swapping with the boat company. Under the present Mayor and the former Mayor they have been exposed for what they really are two individuals who are liars, these two good ole boys attempted to pass laws that they were false in their effort to steal public park lands and give to Iverson. They are a disgrace to our community and the office they hold and must now resign from the village board that they have dishonored, good work Bob Hawley.
Whatever!!!!!
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 05/30/15 05:22 PM

Please read and you decide.
https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/475787aa-5f57-460e-9cd8-c5c77c27aa9b

https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/377d53e0-0f4a-42d2-9e76-35027e8af3ac
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 05/30/15 10:45 PM

I believed the village board was correcting a mistake after reading the resolution the village passed claiming that the village made a mistake and really meant to trade the land along the outlet to the boat company in 1972, I then read the letter you provide written by the then village attorney Dan Talyor in 1971 claiming no waterfront the "RAILROAD TRACKS" wasn't part of the deal. I then realized the village board had lie and had passed a resolution that they knew was false and by doing so broke state laws in a foolish attempted to give Iverson parkland on the waterfront. The board by doing so actually approved and filed a false document and now must be prosecuted for their illegal act.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 06/09/15 11:10 PM

The local paper must let the Mayor write the stories about why the boat company deal hasn't taken place yet, the paper claims that in 1972 the village erroneously left out 270 feet of waterfront property that was included in a swap of parcels with the Penn Yan Boat Company. This is a lie and the editor know this and has a letter written by the then Village Attorney Dan Taylor in December 1971 that proves that statement is a lie. So why does she still refuse to print the truth is it because she is a member of the Chamber of Commerce or does she think that the Mayor won't give her first shot at any scoop that might possible newsworthy? Call the editor at 536-8531 and tell her you want the truth not her spin.
Posted by: G. Chamberlain

Re: Mayor sells out? - 06/12/15 02:10 PM

Well, you don't specifically name which paper you are discussing, but by referring to a female editor, I'm assuming you mean The Chronicle-Express. I'm happy to talk to anyone about our news coverage. Feel free to call me at 536-4422. "Leeoh" you might want to double check what phone number you post... ours is not 536-8531, but we have a pretty good idea whose it is.
Have a great weekend.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 06/13/15 02:34 AM

Knowing that you always have to get the last word in you took the bait and answered, but you made no denial which told the story that you failed to. Nobody wants to call you they just want your paper to tell the truth, the whole story without the spin.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 07/27/15 12:03 AM

Originally Posted By: leeoh
The local paper must let the Mayor write the stories about why the boat company deal hasn't taken place yet, the paper claims that in 1972 the village erroneously left out 270 feet of waterfront property that was included in a swap of parcels with the Penn Yan Boat Company. This is a lie and the editor know this and has a letter written by the then Village Attorney Dan Taylor in December 1971 that proves that statement is a lie. So why does she still refuse to print the truth is it because she is a member of the Chamber of Commerce or does she think that the Mayor won't give her first shot at any scoop that might possible newsworthy? Call the editor at 536-4422 and tell her you want the truth not her spin.
Well here's a scoop for the paper, in executive session at this months village board meeting board members were told that the Governor Cuomo's lawyers have notified the village that they have open a investigating into the false claims the village board made in their home rule request to give developer Iverson waterfront land for FREE.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 08/14/15 12:22 PM

Now the state is investigating why the village allowed the Finger Lakes Tourism Alliance to lease part of Red Jacket Park.
Posted by: Curmudgeon

Re: Mayor sells out? - 08/14/15 02:26 PM

The thot plickens......
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 08/17/15 09:55 PM

Curmudgeon, glad to see you are still kickin!!! :0) How are things over a the "Chosen spot"?
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 08/20/15 11:49 PM

The DEC is investigating the illegal removal of crushed cement and bricks from Yates County's boat company ""brown field, the material was taken to the site of the new hotel under construction near Red Jacket Park.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 08/23/15 02:37 PM

So if the "brown field" has been cleaned up, why would it be illegal to move fill from one site to another?
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 08/23/15 04:58 PM

The DEC has to OK all removal of fill from the brown field and where it goes, if allowed then a permit would be issued. Someone unlock the chain blocking the road and then loaded trucks with this fill that were then drove across the Firemen's field to the new hotel site. Taking short cuts trying to save a buck that might now cost them a fortune. Who unlocked the property the county is still the owner?
Posted by: cob pee-on

Re: Mayor sells out? - 08/24/15 12:35 AM

Oh jeez
Posted by: YCite

Re: Mayor sells out? - 08/24/15 01:46 PM

My money is on leeoh being the culprit of this act ... in an attempt to frame and bring down the development he so clearly hates.

Seriously though. Probably was leeoh
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 08/24/15 11:19 PM

Originally Posted By: YCite
My money is on leeoh being the culprit of this act ... in an attempt to frame and bring down the development he so clearly hates.

Seriously though. Probably was leeoh
Don't be foolish how could one make someone drive a dump truck to a brown field and load that truck with fill then make that person drive the load to a construction site? You must be smoking some good weed, airhead.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 08/26/15 09:51 PM

leeoh--I think it was a tongue in cheek statement made by Ycite!
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 09/13/15 11:25 PM

Once again the state is looking into allegations that the Penn Yan Village Board gave public waterfront parkland to a developer, this time the land in question is located along the outlet behind the new apartments on Water Street. The Village Board in honor of the Mayor should bring back the old name of the channel the Crooked lake canal.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 09/24/15 03:25 AM

For the second time in 6 months the Penn Yan Village board is under investigation for falsifying public documents "resolution 52-2014" and giving public land to developer Chris Iverson, this took place at Birkett Landing Apartments on Water street. The resolution claims the land was landlocked but this has been proven to false by a apprasal that was done on the property, The Mayor kept this information from most of the board members.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/17/15 11:18 PM

You were right Iverson was ordered to removed the material, that cost him $300,000.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 12/17/15 11:36 PM

Originally Posted By: leeoh
You were right Iverson was ordered to removed the material, that cost him $300,000.
Looks like Iverson ended up paying for that strip of waterfront that the Mayor tried to give to him, if he paid $300,000 as reported he got taken, KARMA.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/02/16 08:00 PM

More bad news for the parties involved in the sale and development of the old Penn Yan boat Company, this week the village was told not on my property by the owner of Roto Salt while preparing to get started laying a new sewer line over his company's property and then along the outlet to the Boat Company site. The village who took out a one million dollar loan to pay for this project that will go to the Boat Company then over the Firemen's Field to the hotel, this expensive project that the village taxpayers are picking up the tab for only benefits those two developments. The village will lose $5,000 a month if they fail to install the sewer line on time as stated in the agreement approved by the Penn Yan Village Board, you may ask yourself why didn't the village Board seek permission before they got this far along, the answer is very simple they are incompetent.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 01/09/16 10:24 PM

Originally Posted By: leeoh
More bad news for the parties involved in the sale and development of the old Penn Yan boat Company, this week the village was told not on my property by the owner of Roto Salt while preparing to get started laying a new sewer line over his company's property and then along the outlet to the Boat Company site. The village who took out a one million dollar loan to pay for this project that will go to the Boat Company then over the Firemen's Field to the hotel, this expensive project that the village taxpayers are picking up the tab for only benefits those two developments. The village will lose $5,000 a month if they fail to install the sewer line on time as stated in the agreement approved by the Penn Yan Village Board, you may ask yourself why didn't the village Board seek permission before they got this far along, the answer is very simple they are incompetent.
I believe the owner of Roto Salt is denying the village permission to build a portion of the outlet trail on top of the sewer line that is going over his property, the trail would be built 20 feet wide and the owner must then "give" the village the trail.

Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/09/16 05:09 PM

This weeks headlines in the local paper read "Moorings on Keuka plan gets Penn Yan Planning Board OK", what it failed to tell the public is that the State Parks Agency is stopping the new sewer line that the village is paying for to have installed to the Boat Company over park lands the Firemen Field and the Outlet trail behind Roto Salt. That's right the Village Board is responsible once again for holding up the sale and development of the Old boat Company. The village board knowing ignored state laws and now both the new hotel and the boat company projects may be forced to shutdown for a period up to 1 year, good move lawmakers or should I say lawbreakers?
Posted by: TheKing

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/09/16 11:35 PM

If what you say is correct, then I think it would be the State Parks Agency that is holding things up. Unless I'm missing something
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/10/16 12:01 AM

The Village is required to apply to the State Legislators for possible permission to trespass on park lands.
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/19/16 02:27 PM

I don't know the geography, but what state park is affected?

Originally Posted By: leeoh
The Village is required to apply to the State Legislators for possible permission to trespass on park lands.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/19/16 07:00 PM

Not a state park. It is my understanding the lands in question were acquired by the state and turned over to the Village for recreational purposes and cannot be sold by the Village. The way around it is to go to the state legislature for an exemption to do anything with the land in those areas.
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/19/16 08:01 PM

The legislation was passed and signed by the Governor:


A7551-A Palmesano Same as S 5425-A O'MARA
Conveyance of State Land
TITLE....Authorizes the village of Penn Yan to convey certain real property to Keuka Outlet Development, LLC


06/17/15 PASSED SENATE
06/17/15 DELIVERED TO ASSEMBLY
06/18/15 home rule request
06/18/15 passed assembly
09/15/15 DELIVERED TO GOVERNOR
09/25/15 SIGNED CHAP.335

TITLE OF BILL:

An act to authorize the conveyance of title of certain parklands in the village of Penn Yan


PURPOSE:

To authorize the village of Penn Yan to convey certain real property to Keuka Outlet Development, LLC

Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Not a state park. It is my understanding the lands in question were acquired by the state and turned over to the Village for recreational purposes and cannot be sold by the Village. The way around it is to go to the state legislature for an exemption to do anything with the land in those areas.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/19/16 11:42 PM

Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
The legislation was passed and signed by the Governor:


A7551-A Palmesano Same as S 5425-A O'MARA
Conveyance of State Land
TITLE....Authorizes the village of Penn Yan to convey certain real property to Keuka Outlet Development, LLC


06/17/15 PASSED SENATE
06/17/15 DELIVERED TO ASSEMBLY
06/18/15 home rule request
06/18/15 passed assembly
09/15/15 DELIVERED TO GOVERNOR
09/25/15 SIGNED CHAP.335

TITLE OF BILL:

An act to authorize the conveyance of title of certain parklands in the village of Penn Yan


PURPOSE:

To authorize the village of Penn Yan to convey certain real property to Keuka Outlet Development, LLC

Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Not a state park. It is my understanhding the lands in question were acquired by the state and turned over to the Village for recreational purposes an cannot be sold by the Village. The way around it is to go to the state legislature for an exemption to do anything with the land in those areas.
Both of you are wrong not the same land or regulations you two have claimed, if you don't know the facts remain silent.
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/20/16 04:29 AM

What I cannot understand is why, if you KNOW the facts, you are remaining silent.

Based on the earlier information, I searched for home rule laws about land in Penn Yan. I really thought I found the correct information.

If you "know the facts," why are YOU remaining silent? Why criticize us without informing?

Originally Posted By: leeoh
Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
The legislation was passed and signed by the Governor:


A7551-A Palmesano Same as S 5425-A O'MARA
Conveyance of State Land
TITLE....Authorizes the village of Penn Yan to convey certain real property to Keuka Outlet Development, LLC


06/17/15 PASSED SENATE
06/17/15 DELIVERED TO ASSEMBLY
06/18/15 home rule request
06/18/15 passed assembly
09/15/15 DELIVERED TO GOVERNOR
09/25/15 SIGNED CHAP.335

TITLE OF BILL:

An act to authorize the conveyance of title of certain parklands in the village of Penn Yan


PURPOSE:

To authorize the village of Penn Yan to convey certain real property to Keuka Outlet Development, LLC

Originally Posted By: Mean Gene
Not a state park. It is my understanhding the lands in question were acquired by the state and turned over to the Village for recreational purposes an cannot be sold by the Village. The way around it is to go to the state legislature for an exemption to do anything with the land in those areas.
Both of you are wrong not the same land or regulations you two have claimed, if you don't know the facts remain silent.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/20/16 04:36 AM

leeoh, please share the "facts" with us. If possible real facts, not opinions!
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/22/16 12:01 AM

April 2015 the village board got caught by the NY State Parks Agency in an illegal act of trying to give public parkland land to the developer of the boat company property without first seeking approval of the State Legislature. Then when requesting approval the lawbreakers were forced to write a second home rule request when they were caught lying in the first one, Once again they have been caught and must go the State for approval but this time there are new requirement that the village must meet, the crackpot mayor sad the hell with law and tried the illegal way and got caught and now the boat company deal might not take place.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/22/16 04:24 PM

So this must all be going on behind closed doors in executive session or the newspaper would be reporting on it?
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/23/16 05:51 PM

The Mayor has been keeping this bad news from most of the Village Board members, the village lawyer and maybe one or 2 village employees know that the state has shut down construction of the new sewer line on the outlet trail behind Roto Salt. The local paper knows most of the facts but elects not to write a story for reason unknown.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/27/16 12:05 AM

The state didn't shut down the construction because the law allows for any citizen to file a lawsuit against the village in this matter, it's my understanding that this will be done within a month. The lawsuit will petition the court to stop and remove the sewer pump house that was declared by the NY State Parks agency as being illegality constructed on Park land the "Firemen field". The village could file a request to allow the pump house by the way of adopting a home rule request to the state but time is running out to do so, if it's not done soon the village will have to wait until next year and that means the hotel will not open to next year. Once again the Mayor and board members have screwed up. I wonder what the investors of the hotel think of this?
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/27/16 04:18 AM

This whole discussion makes little sense. State Parks does not regulate all the parks in the state and I have never heard of them ordering anything having to do with local park lands.

If the Sewer district needs to make changes, like removing a pump house, that is DEC responsibility, not parks and is controlled by the sewer district.

I think all the deed issues were taken care of in last years home rule legislation approved by the governor last year:

The People of the State of New York, represented in Senate and Assem-
bly, do enact as follows:

Section 1. Legislative findings. The legislature hereby finds and determines that the village of Penn Yan, in the county of Yates, alienated and conveyed municipal parklands on September 25, 1972 to the company known as Penn Yan Boats, Inc., as authorized by chapter 353 of the laws of 1972 in exchange for five additional substitute parcels of land. Furthermore:
(a) On February 26, 2014 the village of Penn Yan, county of Yates, and Keuka Outlet Development LLC entered into a development agreement to redevelop and rehabilitate the former Penn Yan Marine site originally conveyed to Penn Yan Boats, Inc. pursuant to chapter 353 of the laws of 1972, with the Agreement with the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation.
(b) it was discovered that the legal description used in chapter 353 of the laws of 1972 and property deed used to convey the land to Penn Yan Boats, Inc., both failed to properly define the metes and bounds of the lands to be conveyed and which were thereafter used and occupied by Penn Yan Boats, Inc.
(c) village of Penn Yan was unaware that there remained an appearance it retained title or interest in the small parcel of property not properly included in the legal description of the land from chapter 353 of the laws of 1972.
(d) village occupy or use the parcel of land described in section four of this act.
§ 2. Notwithstanding the defect described in section one of this act, the prior alienation and conveyance of the parklands section four of this act to Penn Yan Boats, Inc., is hereby validated, legalized, ratified and confirmed, notwithstanding the absence of prior legislative approval.
§ 3. Furthermore, the village of Penn Yan, Yates County, acting by and through its village board, is authorized to discontinue and alienate as parklands the lands described in section four of this act, and convey, by quitclaim deed, any interest it may have in such parklands to Keuka Outlet Development, LLC.
§ 4. The parklands to be discontinued, alienated, and conveyed pursuant to sections two and three of this act are bounded and described as follows:
ALL THAT TRACT OR PARCEL OF LAND situate in the Village of Penn Yan, Town of Milo, County of Yates, State of New York, bounded and described as follows: Beginning on the Westerly line if Hicks Street, which is the Southwest corner of said Hicks Street and which is North 49 00'06" West eight hundred sixty-four and sixty hundredths (864.60') feet from the Westerly line of Lake Street, and thence running North 49 00'06" West seventy-eight and fifty four hundredths feet (78.54') along the said Westerly line of Hicks Street produced to a point; thence running North 15 14'54" East thirty-three and sixty-six hundredths feet (33.66') to a point on the Westerly boundary line of Penn Yan Boats, Inc.; thence running South 58 45'06 East one hundred ninety-six and sixty-eight hundredths feet (196.68') along the lands of said Penn Yan Boats, Inc. to a point which is the Southwest corner of their lands, thence South 39 59'54" West two hundred ninety-five and sixty-eight hundredths feet (295.68') along the Westerly boundary line of lands of Penn Yan Boats, Inc. and across the terminus line of Hicks Street to the place of beginning containing 1.77 acres of land, more or less.
ALSO, ALL THAT OTHER TRACT OR PARCEL OF LAND situate in the Village of Penn Yan, Town of Milo, County of Yates, State of New York, bounded and described as follows: Beginning at a point on the Westerly line of Hicks Street which is nine hundred forty-three and fourteen hundredths feet (943.14') along the Westerly line of Hicks Street extended from the Westerly line of Lake Street and thence running North 49 00'06" West seventy feet (70.00') (83.65' Meas.) more or less along the Westerly line of Hicks Street extended to a point on the Easterly line of the lands of the Seneca Grape Juice Corporation; thence continuing North one hundred nine and eighty hundredths (109.80') to a point on the westerly bank of the former Crooked Lake Canal; thence North 03 30'45" West one hundred ten and thirty-one hundredths (110.31') along the westerly line of Seneca Grape Juice Corporation and which is also the westerly bank of the former Crooked Lake Canal; thence North 02 34'12" East seventy-five and thirty-nine hundredths (75.39') along the westerly line of Seneca Grape Juice Corporation and which is also the westerly bank of the former Crooked Lake Canal; thence North 18 10'31" East eighteen and fourteen hundredths (18.14') along the westerly line of Seneca Grape Juice Corporation and which is also the westerly bank of the former Crooked Lake Canal; thence South 72 14'52" East passing through chaining station 2.5 in the center line of original location of the siding known in the records of the New York Central Railroad Company as Track No. 14 seventy-eight and thirty-one hundredths (78.31') to a point on the easterly line of Seneca Grape Juice Corporation and which is also the co-called Blue Line of the original Crooked LakeCanal said point is also the Southeast corner of lands of Penn Yan Boats, Inc.; thence North 18 11'34" East seventy-six and twenty hundredths (76.20') along the easterly line of Penn Yan Boats, Inc. and the so-called Blue Line of the Crooked Lake Canal, and thence running North 31 09'01" East eighteen feet (18.00') more or less along the Easterly line of lands of Penn Yan Boats, Inc. and the so-called Blue Line of the Crooked Lake Canal to a point, which is another Southwest corner of Penn Yan Boats, Inc.; thence running South 58 45'06" East along the Westerly boundary line of Penn Yan Boats, Inc. one hundred sixty feet (160.00') more or less to a point; thence running South 42 44'54" West thirty-three and sixty-six hundredths feet (33.66') along the line of lands as described in the above parcel, and thence running South 15 14'54" West two hundred ninety-seven feet (297.00') along the Westerly line of lands described above to the place of beginning, containing 1.329 acres of land more or less.

§ 5. This act shall take effect immediately.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/27/16 11:01 AM

Open both eyes than you might be able to see the truth instead of copying something off the internet that you don't comprehend, look up NY parks alienation and just maybe you might understand what you talking about. It's not only the clouds that can see a idiot.
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/27/16 09:36 PM

What is parkland alienation?
Parkland “alienation” occurs when a municipality wishes to sell, lease, or discontinue
municipal parkland. Parkland alienation applies to every municipal park in the State,
whether owned by a city, county, town, or village. In order to convey parkland to a nonpublic
entity, or to use parkland for another purpose, the municipality must receive prior
authorization from the State in the form of legislation enacted by the New York State
Legislature and approved by the Governor. The bill by which the Legislature grants its
authorization is commonly referred to as a “parkland alienation” bill.

This IS the parkland alienation legislation that was enacted last year to alienate and convey the former parkland to Keuka Outlet Development.

What parkland are you talking about:

Section 1. Legislative findings. The legislature hereby finds and determines that the village of Penn Yan, in the county of Yates, alienated and conveyed municipal parklands on September 25, 1972 to the company known as Penn Yan Boats, Inc., as authorized by chapter 353 of the laws of 1972 in exchange for five additional substitute parcels of land. Furthermore:

(a) On February 26, 2014 the village of Penn Yan, county of Yates, and Keuka Outlet Development LLC entered into a development agreement to redevelop and rehabilitate the former Penn Yan Marine site originally conveyed to Penn Yan Boats, Inc. pursuant to chapter 353 of the laws of 1972, with the Agreement with the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation.

(b) it was discovered that the legal description used in chapter 353 of the laws of 1972 and property deed used to convey the land to Penn Yan Boats, Inc., both failed to properly define the metes and bounds of the lands to be conveyed and which were thereafter used and occupied by Penn Yan Boats, Inc.

(c) village of Penn Yan was unaware that there remained an appearance it retained title or interest in the small parcel of property not properly included in the legal description of the land from chapter 353 of the laws of 1972.

(d) village occupy or use the parcel of land described in section four of this act.

§ 2. Notwithstanding the defect described in section one of this act, the prior alienation and conveyance of the parklands section four of this act to Penn Yan Boats, Inc., is hereby validated, legalized, ratified and confirmed, notwithstanding the absence of prior legislative approval.

§ 3. Furthermore, the village of Penn Yan, Yates County, acting by and through its village board, is authorized to discontinue and alienate as parklands the lands described in section four of this act, and convey, by quitclaim deed, any interest it may have in such parklands to Keuka Outlet Development, LLC.


Originally Posted By: helpme
Open both eyes than you might be able to see the truth instead of copying something off the internet that you don't comprehend, look up NY parks alienation and just maybe you might understand what you talking about. It's not only the clouds that can see a idiot.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/27/16 11:10 PM

Very good now you know that it covers all parks, now put away that boat company bill, now I will explain the Firemen field caper by the village board. The Firemen Field was purchased with GRANT Money and there was strings attached which were that the village can't SELL,BUILD BELOW OR ABOVE The Land of the FIREMEN FIELD without the approval from the state legislature. The village just put a sewer line below the firemen field and built a sewer pump house above ground. The Mayor and the rest of the village board knew they were breaking the law and by doing so was in fact was stealing park land from the village residents. Shortly a lawsuit will be filed in Yates County Supreme Court requesting that the sewer line and pump house be removed for failure to get approval from the State legislature, this will prevent the new hotel from opening.




Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/28/16 02:35 AM

Don't miss the filing deadline....it is 120 days from the date of the action being challenged.


Originally Posted By: leeoh
Very good now you know that it covers all parks, now put away that boat company bill, now I will explain the Firemen field caper by the village board. The Firemen Field was purchased with GRANT Money and there was strings attached which were that the village can't SELL,BUILD BELOW OR ABOVE The Land of the FIREMEN FIELD without the approval from the state legislature. The village just put a sewer line below the firemen field and built a sewer pump house above ground. The Mayor and the rest of the village board knew they were breaking the law and by doing so was in fact was stealing park land from the village residents. Shortly a lawsuit will be filed in Yates County Supreme Court requesting that the sewer line and pump house be removed for failure to get approval from the State legislature, this will prevent the new hotel from opening.




Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 04/30/16 04:13 PM

No not true there's no statute of limitations, take for example The Finger Lakes tourism alliance building located at Red Jacket Park since 1969 it's a non park use therefore it must go. The building was built on the old softball field within the park and now must be removed or the property must be sold to the agency with state permission. Now let's travel down stream just east of Birkett Mills where two businesses have build and illegality taken over park land with the help of at least one previous Mayor and the current Mayor who has already been caught trying to give waterfront property to the developer of the boat company. That's right folks with the help of the Village Board our parks have been disappearing illegality but not for long because the State is aware of the local government's illegal action and they will hold these Public officials accountable for their actions, I can't wait.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 05/03/16 02:02 AM

The Mayor has claimed he hired a law firm to look into this matter, if he did he broke the law because he needs the approval of the Village Board to appropriate funds. The reason the Mayor didn't hire the law firm at a public meeting is because he didn't want the Hotel investors to learn about his latest screwed up, and that his stupidity might postpone the opening of the hotel for another year and kill the boat company project.
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Mayor sells out? - 05/03/16 05:58 AM

Have you not read the papers today?

Investigation of Cuomo Associates

The Governor's close associate is under investigation for taking hundreds of thousands in bribes.

Where, exactly, do you see a problem with a couple of acres of "parkland" in the State agenda???

Originally Posted By: helpme
No not true there's no statute of limitations, take for example The Finger Lakes tourism alliance building located at Red Jacket Park since 1969 it's a non park use therefore it must go. The building was built on the old softball field within the park and now must be removed or the property must be sold to the agency with state permission. Now let's travel down stream just east of Birkett Mills where two businesses have build and illegality taken over park land with the help of at least one previous Mayor and the current Mayor who has already been caught trying to give waterfront property to the developer of the boat company. That's right folks with the help of the Village Board our parks have been disappearing illegality but not for long because the State is aware of the local government's illegal action and they will hold these Public officials accountable for their actions, I can't wait.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 05/03/16 09:46 PM

Stealing parkland from the citizens of Penn Yan is unacceptable, what do you think or don't you?
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Mayor sells out? - 05/03/16 10:15 PM

I would think that the citizens of Penn Yan would be happy to have economic development, construction and on-going jobs and the return of the "parkland" to the tax rolls.

But that was not my point. Just saying that the State has bigger fish to fry at the moment.


Originally Posted By: helpme
Stealing parkland from the citizens of Penn Yan is unacceptable, what do you think or don't you?
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 05/04/16 01:35 AM

Why can't the developer put his SEWER PUMP HOUSES ON the 16 acres he's developing, instead of trying to stick his poop houses on two separate Village Parks that will remain Parks and will not be put on the Tax Rolls. Once again you have your facts wrong, so unless you know what you're talking about please remain silent because those clouds are looking down at you.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 05/05/16 02:56 AM

The Village Board has less than to 2 weeks to write a home rule local law requesting that the state allow them to build a poop house on the firemen field and one on the outlet trail behind Roto Salt, if the state approves their request it will be September before the governor to sign it if he choses to. If the village fails to do this a article 78 will be filed in Yates County Supreme Court requesting that a permanent injunction be ordered against the village from utilizing the sewer lines and poop houses that village has already illegality built on the two parks until they receive the ok from the state which if approved wouldn't take place until September 2017. The Mayor knew that he must follow this procedure but failed to because he doesn't care if the Hotel opens on time because he disliked the developer Chris Iverson for some unknown reason, the mayor has no love for the firemen resulting from an incident years ago when he assaulted a fellow firemen and was forced to resign from the fire department, to say the Mayor is a crackpot is a understatement.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 05/10/16 10:54 PM

Assemblyman Palmesano's office was contacted today about the Village of Penn Yan's illegal construction of a sewer pump house on the firemen's field, they stated they haven't received any request from the village for a home rule local law concerning this illegal construction. They stated that they were very concerned that the village is breaking the law and their actions would prevent the hotel from opening this year. They claimed they meet with the village last year and they told the Mayor to apply to them to make a request that would make this construction legal, they were concerned that the village would rather break the law instead of following the steps as they were instructed to do. I told them that the Village Board under the leadership of the mayor would rather not follow the law because the Mayor is a crackpot.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 05/11/16 04:43 AM

leeoh, you are now acting like the crackpot. I can tell you all those comments you are making that supposedly came from the politicians office are things you said to him, not what they said to you!
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 05/11/16 11:30 AM

Once again I have to set you straight, they are aware of what's going after the village went to them last year when the Mayor was caught trying to give waterfront property away, he was very concerned that the village once again tried to pull the wool over the state's eyes and that this latest crackpot move would delay the opening of the hotel. Call the Bath office to confirm this Mr. Detective.
Posted by: FLDukes

Re: Mayor sells out? - 05/12/16 02:40 AM

Every town has that one person who wears the tinfoil hat. Penn Yan has leeoh --- and helpme (his other screen name). He has two to make it seem like what he says is the truth.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 05/12/16 03:11 AM

Every town has a person like you who runs his mouth but says nothing, because they know nothing and never will. Unless you can prove me wrong which you can't button it tiger.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 05/18/16 07:35 PM

Originally Posted By: FLDukes
Every town has that one person who wears the tinfoil hat. Penn Yan has leeoh --- and helpme (his other screen name). He has two to make it seem like what he says is the truth.



I think you nailed that one! smile
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Mayor sells out? - 07/29/16 02:22 AM

Just checking in to see what is happening with the Article 78.

Originally Posted By: helpme
The Village Board has less than to 2 weeks to write a home rule local law requesting that the state allow them to build a poop house on the firemen field and one on the outlet trail behind Roto Salt, if the state approves their request it will be September before the governor to sign it if he choses to. If the village fails to do this a article 78 will be filed in Yates County Supreme Court requesting that a permanent injunction be ordered against the village from utilizing the sewer lines and poop houses that village has already illegality built on the two parks until they receive the ok from the state which if approved wouldn't take place until September 2017. The Mayor knew that he must follow this procedure but failed to because he doesn't care if the Hotel opens on time because he disliked the developer Chris Iverson for some unknown reason, the mayor has no love for the firemen resulting from an incident years ago when he assaulted a fellow firemen and was forced to resign from the fire department, to say the Mayor is a crackpot is a understatement.
Posted by: Mean Gene

Re: Mayor sells out? - 07/29/16 01:53 PM

Originally Posted By: FLDukes
Every town has that one person who wears the tinfoil hat. Penn Yan has leeoh --- and helpme (his other screen name). He has two to make it seem like what he says is the truth.



I think one of his screen names may have been banned so he is down to help me until he sets up another one. I would like to hear more about the article 78.
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Mayor sells out? - 07/29/16 02:57 PM

Helpme promised that an Article 78 would be filed in June and/or the state would be launching an investigation. Just checking to see how it is going.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 07/31/16 10:50 PM

The state is busy investigating why the chairmen of planning board a major investor in the Hotel didn't recuse himself in approving the construction of the hotel and all the special expensive goodies that Iverson got that the local taxpayers will be paying for.
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Mayor sells out? - 08/01/16 01:00 AM

Interesting. Didn't know that planning boards had anything to do with any financial inducements.

So nothing on the parkland?


Originally Posted By: helpme
The state is busy investigating why the chairmen of planning board a major investor in the Hotel didn't recuse himself in approving the construction of the hotel and all the special expensive goodies that Iverson got that the local taxpayers will be paying for.
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 08/01/16 02:40 AM

It appears there's a lot you don't know, there's no statute of limitations on violations of parklands, so I'll sit back and let the State do there thing first before I deliver the final blow to the waterfront "projects".
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Mayor sells out? - 08/01/16 03:01 AM

This is why I keep asking you for information.

The hotel is scheduled to open soon. Will the state come in and shut down the sewer system AFTER it opens, or will they come in before? or will they seek fines for all the violations you are reporting?

What state agency has the lead?

Originally Posted By: helpme
It appears there's a lot you don't know, there's no statute of limitations on violations of parklands, so I'll sit back and let the State do there thing first before I deliver the final blow to the waterfront "projects".
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 08/14/16 08:39 AM

"UPDATE" it appears that one of the planning board members has failed to disclose that he is an investor of the hotel, if true he will be charged with a misdemeanor for failing to report this conflict of interest which could void all contracts related to that project. This alleged crime could also lead to possible misdeeds of "bigger fish' downstream involving other related developments that received state and local funds.
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 05/25/17 11:19 AM

Once again the local newspaper has failed to tell the true facts, this weeks front page headlines read "Village ready to seal the deal" fail to tell the truth about the NEW Agreement between the parties of the of the Boat company. The story fails to tell its readers that in this new agreement the Village will be Losing $100,000 in this deal and the county must now pay the developer $120.000 to seal the deal. The 3 year delay took place because the Village Mayor and village attorney Ed Brockman were caught trying to give the developer parkland that runs along the outlet. Then the developer's hired hands were caught taking waste material off the boat company property to be used for fill at the Hampton Hotel, the developer that was forced by the DEC to take this material to the landfill which cost him $310,000. Gwen please rewrite your fake news story and this time please tell the true story.
Posted by: gassy one

Re: Mayor sells out? - 05/25/17 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By: leeoh
Once again the local newspaper has failed to tell the true facts, this weeks front page headlines read "Village ready to seal the deal" fail to tell the truth about the NEW Agreement between the parties of the of the Boat company. The story fails to tell its readers that in this new agreement the Village will be Losing $100,000 in this deal and the county must now pay the developer $120.000 to seal the deal. The 3 year delay took place because the Village Mayor and village attorney Ed Brockman were caught trying to give the developer parkland that runs along the outlet. Then the developer's hired hands were caught taking waste material off the boat company property to be used for fill at the Hampton Hotel, the developer that was forced by the DEC to take this material to the landfill which cost him $310,000. Gwen please rewrite your fake news story and this time please tell the true story.
Get Real! That paper isn't worth the paper it is printed on! Have you ever seen them take on any controversy! They are part of the Good Ole Boys Club!
Posted by: leeoh

Re: Mayor sells out? - 05/25/17 06:30 PM

I talked to a village trustee today about the village board passing this new agreement, he told me that the board members weren't provided a copy of this new agreement. Therefore he wasn't aware that the village would lose $100,000 in this new agreement, then why in the hell did he vote for it?
Posted by: gassy one

Re: Mayor sells out? - 05/26/17 02:43 AM

Originally Posted By: leeoh
I talked to a village trustee today about the village board passing this new agreement, he told me that the board members weren't provided a copy of this new agreement. Therefore he wasn't aware that the village would lose $100,000 in this new agreement, then why in the hell did he vote for it?
Sounds like Stewart!
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 03/19/19 01:43 AM

After 7 years of planning and the spending of over $5 million dollars of taxpayers money by Yates County and the Village of Penn Yan the former Penn Yan Boat Company development agreement with Chris Iversen has hit a snag. Two years ago the parties sign a agreement that the county would give the property to the village, and then the village would sell the property while holding the mortgage to the developer who then will make payments as he sells each condo. Just one little problem with that is condos aren't a permitted use of the property, dog park anyone?
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 09/26/19 04:11 PM

Click on to see the real story to why the developer of the old Penn Yan Boat Company hasn't started building condos yet.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Aw66sk1HweqApgx4yhKRDyYsqHN3v3dG
Posted by: helpme

Re: Mayor sells out? - 10/17/20 10:55 AM

Originally Posted By: helpme
Click on to see the real story to why the developer of the old Penn Yan Boat Company hasn't started building condos yet.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Aw66sk1HweqApgx4yhKRDyYsqHN3v3dG
Yates County and the Village of Penn Yan have spent more than 5 million dollars on this project yet no permission to build has been given yet, why?