Hillside Childrens Center Reuse

Posted by: all seeing eye

Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 09/10/20 06:08 PM

Any former employees at Hillside that can give some insight into the condition of the buildings?
Rumor is that there was a problem with drinking water in some of the buildings and that Hillside was bringing in bottled water for drinking and cooking.

Were the buildings maintained so that they can be reused?

Also, anyone know what Earl Martin is planning? He got it for $65,000, but the property was described as:

This site consists of fifteen (15) buildings, several large paved parking lots, paved access roads, a pool, and large landscaped lawns. The buildings, which were mostly constructed by the US Army during the 50 consist of residence halls, cafeterias, theatre, warehouses, classrooms, offices, and a gymnasium/recreational center
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 09/11/20 10:32 PM

Hearing a bit more. Something about campgrounds, camping in the bunkers, playground for campers, move White Deer Tours to the Northeast Corner of the Depot (near the ponds and the Audubon Birding Area?), offices for Seneca Dairy Systems and Seneca Iron Works.

If that's the plan, why do they need the buildings? Don't they already have 7,000 acres? Will they have to demolish the buildings?

And what is the attraction for a campground so far from the lake or any recreation?
Posted by: a49deere

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 09/13/20 10:24 PM

Have talked to a lot of people from seneca county, not one of them knew hillside land and buildings were for sale. Would it have been much trouble to put a sign up at entrance? THIS PROPERTY FOR SALE by sealed bid, on a piece of plywood! something seems fishy with only one bid!
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 09/14/20 12:21 AM

More info:

The appraiser hired by the IDA appraised the property at $350,000.

Which raises more questions about why the IDA accepted a bid of $65,000. How many jobs did Earl say it would create?
Posted by: Top Dog

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 09/14/20 05:04 PM

Which makes perfect sense that Seneca County would sell it for $65,000.
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 09/15/20 03:52 AM

I hear that the IDA and the White Deer Park/Earl Martin are refusing to dislose the planned use of the Hillside area.

This land belongs to the public for public use. Claiming the purpose is a true secret is BS.
Posted by: a49deere

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 09/16/20 12:06 AM

whatever became of the road being reopened thru the depot that was a selling point for Mr. Martin? Haven't seen it happen yet!
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 09/16/20 11:24 AM

Last thing I saw was in the plan for the galvanizing plant. To meet traffic limits for trucks entering and leaving the plant, in the hamlet of Romulus, Martin is claiming that the trucks will use the entrance on 96 A, but that it will remain a private road.

We'll see how this works.

Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 09/17/20 01:49 AM

Boy, is it a challenge to share the IDA documents with you.

IDA All Approvals Page

Then you have to select the "Sale of Hillside Property"

Then you have to select and open each documemt. (Phew, this is not easy and they are not chronological nor are the dates in the titles, so you need to look at them all. And there are some obvious documents, like the application, that are not on the website.)

RFP for Sale
Posted by: Top Dog

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 09/17/20 01:07 PM

Appreciate Trout, Kime and Shipley for their lack of participation.
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 09/17/20 01:59 PM

Maybe it didn't meet their stink test?


Originally Posted By: Top Dog
Appreciate Trout, Kime and Shipley for their lack of participation.
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 09/17/20 05:54 PM

This line, in the letter to the Governor for approval of the sale has me confused.

The public was told that Earl Martin was the only bidder.

But the IDA is now telling the Governor:

Justification for Disposing of the Property by Negotiation: The IDA engaged in a modified bid process in the disposal of the Property. In order to appropriately accommodate the needs of the IDA to relieve itself of the burden of the asset while advancing to the extent possible the IDA's economic development mission, it was necessary for the IDA to negotiate the final terms of the transfer, rather than accepting any particular bid outright. The disposition of the Property is within the purpose, mission and governing statute of the IDA and is thereby exempted from requirements to publicly advertise for bids and obtain fair market value pursuant to Public Authorities Law Section 2897(6)(c)(v) and 2897(7)(ii)

Sounds like they rushed to dump the property ASAP. Why?
Posted by: a49deere

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 09/17/20 11:33 PM

If I recall correctly, Martin was sold the land ,(the original 7000 acres +/- even though he was not the highest bidder, because the IDA thought his use plan for the land was the better of other bidders. I thought it included the reopening of a road from 96 to 96A. Did his original plan include a galvanizing plant? Was the proposed incinerator building going on his property? Was that in the sale use plan? Just asking! this hillside deal smells fishy from a long ways away.
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 09/18/20 07:32 PM

The Incinerator was going in on the old warehouse area owned by Flaum Management.

Martin's plan talked about moving his Seneca Iron Works to the Depot, but never mentioned a galvanizing plant. I have to believe that that info was shared with the IDA before the sale.
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 09/18/20 07:40 PM

Before the IDA can finalize the sale to Earl Martin at less than Fair Market Value, the law requires a 90 Day notice to the State justifying the sale for less than Fair Market Value. The IDA just posted their notice:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5...llside+Sale.pdf

The improvements to the Property consist of fifteen structures. Nine of the buildings were constructed in the 1940's and 1950's while the remaining six structures were constructed in the 1970's or 1980's. The buildings consist of dormitories, classroom (school) facilities, a gymnasium, administration buildings, a pool, and an on-site sewage treatment plant . All structures are considered in poor condition and functionally obsolete and would require substantial repairs and/or renovations to make them usable. Moreover, the buildings contain significant amounts of asbestos and lead based paint that would need to be remediated as part of any reconditioning. Finally, the wastewater treatment plant servicing the facility is in the process of being decommissioned and shut down by Seneca County, leaving the property without any functioning sanitary sewer infrastructure, such that a new on-site septic system would need to be installed to service any improvements to the property. In short, the Property requires a substantial investment to be restored to a functional level of use, and just maintaining the property in its current condition requires substantial resources that the IDA does not have. As such, the IDA has prioritized transferring the Property to a private party for repurposing.
As part of its economic development mission, the IDA publicly solicited bid proposals to purchase the property. Bidders were instructed to include in their bid proposals their plans for reuse of the Property. The IDA received one complete bid proposal from Earl Martin of Deer Haven Park. The IDA's Governance Committee reviewed the bid, and considered the nat ure, potential economic impact, feasibility and likelihood of success of the redevelopment proposals in the bid, as well as the necessity for the IDA to divest itself of the Property.

The IDA ultimately determined to approve the bid submitted by Earl Martin. The IDA concluded that Martin's bid met all of its requirements and conditions of sale, and included a sufficient redevelopment proposal that include a mix of tourism and other redevelopment opportunities .
Posted by: Rescue

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 10/09/20 05:32 PM

Earl owns the Rd I was told, neither Towns of Romulus or Varick want to maintain the Road because of the cost.
Posted by: Hello_Governer

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 10/09/20 09:05 PM

WRONG----------
Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
The Incinerator was going in on the old warehouse area owned by Flaum Management.

Martin's plan talked about moving his Seneca Iron Works to the Depot, but never mentioned a galvanizing plant. I have to believe that that info was shared with the IDA before the sale.
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 10/10/20 11:39 PM

And what exactly is wrong?

Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 10/11/20 01:58 AM



Article on the Depot Sale to Refresh Governer's Recollection

Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
WRONG----------
Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
The Incinerator was going in on the old warehouse area owned by Flaum Management.

Martin's plan talked about moving his Seneca Iron Works to the Depot, but never mentioned a galvanizing plant. I have to believe that that info was shared with the IDA before the sale.
Posted by: a49deere

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 10/11/20 03:02 AM

I thought so seeing eye! No road yet, Not keeping his word, but got the land.
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 10/11/20 05:05 PM

How much do you want to bet that the trucks going to the galvanizing plant will enter and exit through the Hamlet of Romulus, despite the promise that they will be directed to 96A.


Originally Posted By: a49deere
I thought so seeing eye! No road yet, Not keeping his word, but got the land.
Posted by: Hello_Governer

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 10/11/20 06:07 PM

my memory doesn't need to be refreshed, I've known about the galvanizing plant way before he bought the property. When the incinerator battle was still going on it distracted the public eye, and it slipped right by your all seeing eye.
Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
And what exactly is wrong?

Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 10/11/20 06:10 PM

Are you Bob Aronson???? Or a member of the IDA???

My comment was that the PUBLIC was not told, but I guess insiders might have known.

Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
my memory doesn't need to be refreshed, I've known about the galvanizing plant way before he bought the property. When the incinerator battle was still going on it distracted the public eye, and it slipped right by your all seeing eye.
Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
And what exactly is wrong?

Posted by: Hello_Governer

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 10/12/20 03:47 AM

wink all you need to know is what Martin makes and it's obvious.
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 10/13/20 02:15 PM

Perhaps you could explain what Earl Martin is planning to do at Hillside?
Posted by: Hello_Governer

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 10/14/20 03:12 AM

he'll probably flip it.
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 10/14/20 03:20 AM

You mean no bunker camping? No mini-golf? I am devastated.

Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
he'll probably flip it.
Posted by: Hello_Governer

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 10/15/20 11:37 AM

that stuff wasn't planed for the Hillside property. But you have a WAY, don't you !!!
Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
You mean no bunker camping? No mini-golf? I am devastated.

Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
he'll probably flip it.
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 10/15/20 09:21 PM

Are you saying that the bid proposal is wrong? Martin told the IDA that these are the proposed uses. And the IDA said they were approving it to promote tourism:

1. Future white deer tours headquarters.
2. Future restaurant to provide meals for all Seneca Dairy personnel.
3. Future access to a campsite on the depot which will include bunker cabins.
4. Future playground for campers from Deer Haven Campsites along with potential access for Sampson campers and possibly the public.
5. Access to our future planned Mini Golf site.
6. Site of our future museum featuring a timeline of the region pre depot until today.
7. Temporary office space for our companies as they grow.



Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
that stuff wasn't planed for the Hillside property. But you have a WAY, don't you !!!
Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
You mean no bunker camping? No mini-golf? I am devastated.

Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
he'll probably flip it.
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 10/20/20 02:44 AM

OK, I have been waiting 4 days to be proved wrong. So I guess the documents I got from the IDA are correct and Earl isn't "flipping" the property?

Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
Are you saying that the bid proposal is wrong? Martin told the IDA that these are the proposed uses. And the IDA said they were approving it to promote tourism:

1. Future white deer tours headquarters.
2. Future restaurant to provide meals for all Seneca Dairy personnel.
3. Future access to a campsite on the depot which will include bunker cabins.
4. Future playground for campers from Deer Haven Campsites along with potential access for Sampson campers and possibly the public.
5. Access to our future planned Mini Golf site.
6. Site of our future museum featuring a timeline of the region pre depot until today.
7. Temporary office space for our companies as they grow.



Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
that stuff wasn't planed for the Hillside property. But you have a WAY, don't you !!!
Originally Posted By: all seeing eye
You mean no bunker camping? No mini-golf? I am devastated.

Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
he'll probably flip it.
Posted by: Hello_Governer

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 10/20/20 08:20 PM

don't forget about the galvanizing plant. Tell em what they want to hear till you own it, THEN do what you want.
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 10/21/20 01:23 AM

I think the supervisors are starting to understand.

They voted to ask the Governor to disapprove the Hillside sale.



Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
don't forget about the galvanizing plant. Tell em what they want to hear till you own it, THEN do what you want.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 10/30/20 07:39 PM

Originally Posted By: all seeing eye


They voted to ask the Governor to disapprove the Hillside sale.



The governor maybe be too busy

Heard he has been writing a book...
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 11/02/20 05:41 AM

The Governor's book is out and was a dud, apparently, so he can focus on his other activities.


Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: all seeing eye


They voted to ask the Governor to disapprove the Hillside sale.



The governor maybe be too busy

Heard he has been writing a book...

Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 11/04/20 02:49 PM

The Hillside project is on the IDA agenda tomorrow for a proposal of granting a property tax exemption of $97,000.

From my reading of the application and the cost benefit analysis

There will be NO JOBS created in the foreseeable future

Deer Haven Park will invest $45,000

There will be a benefit to the State and Region of $27,000.

The IDA is proposing to exempt Deer Haven Park on $97,000 in taxes in return.

There is a further description of the plans, but that seems to be wishful thinking, at least to me, with no explanation of where the money is coming, very few jobs created and a timetable of "in the next 10 years."

If the IDA approves the inducement on 11/5, there will be a public hearing, (not that they actually have to listen.)

The IDA resolution and other documents are at: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5...+Haven+Park.pdf
Posted by: Michael Jones

Re: Hillside Childrens Center Reuse - 11/06/20 02:29 AM

The questions raised and criticisms of the process are valid and legitimate. That said, the Hillside Campus is a serious financial burden to the IDA and something needs to be done sooner rather than later to move the site on to the path of redevelopment. A national search wasn't likely to being a developer to the site.