Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council

Posted by: kyle585

Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/02/16 04:22 AM

By DAVID L. SHAW dshaw@fltimes.com

SENECA FALLS — The Cayuga Indian Nation’s Unity Council has reconstituted itself, adopting a new name and some new members.

The lawful Council of the Cayuga Nation, informally known as the Unity Council, “shall hereby be known as the Cayuga Nation Council,” a consensus decision states. Certain council members who withdrew from operations on a temporary basis have recommitted to full participation, the decision stated.

The Unity Council was formed June 1, 2011, along with an affirmation of the composition of the Cayuga Nation Council of Chiefs. However, it was noted various non-Indians, non-Cayugas, Cayuga citizens and news media have “created serious confusion about the nature, name and composition of the Nation’s lawful government,” the decision said.

In accordance with its laws, customs and traditions, the Cayuga Nation Council is made up of:

• Sachem or Chief William Jacobs of the Heron Clan. He is the federal representative.

• Sachem Samuel George of the Bear Clan. He is the alternate federal representative.

• Chester Isaac, Bear Clan representative.

• Justin Bennett, Turtle Clan representative.

• Samuel Campbell, Turtle Clan representative.

• Karl Hill, Faithkeeper, Heron Clan representative.

“The Cayuga Nation Council is committed to healing the wounds suffered by the nation in past years and the Cayuga Nation Council is united in the goal of working toward a brighter future for citizens of the Cayuga Nation and for their friends and neighbors,” the consensus decision concludes.
Posted by: cob pee-on

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/02/16 06:30 PM

New name change must get them more handouts?
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/04/16 06:35 PM

Originally Posted By: cob pee-on
New name change must get them more handouts?
They probably wanted to get the word "nation" in their name. I say a nation with no land is not a nation.
Posted by: Hello_Governer

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/04/16 07:17 PM


By DAVID L. SHAW dshaw@fltimes.com
SENECA FALLS — A lack of procedural control and inadequate oversight at the state Office of Children and Family Services’ Native American Services Bureau allowed the systematic theft of nearly $20,000 from Cayuga Nation trust funds over a seven-year period.

That’s the conclusion of a state Inspector General’s Office investigation.

As a result of the probe, administration of the trust accounts for Cayuga Nation children has been transferred to the tribe itself.


Inspector General Catherine Leahy Scott issued a statement this week on the investigation, including her findings and recommendations.

Scott said the investigation discovered the OCFS failed to take any reasonable measures to monitor or audit the accounts. Instead, she said OCFS left administration of the accounts to the sole discretion of the bureau’s director.

That person, Kim Thomas-Muffoletto, 57, of Amherst, pleaded guilty to felony grand larceny early last year. She was ordered to pay full restitution.

From 2007-14, Thomas-Muffoletto stole $19,993.63 from 14 trust funds she oversaw, holding proceeds meant for Cayuga Nation minor children.

“This corrupt state employee was able to steal nearly $20,000 meant for children’s futures because of lax oversight at the agency charged with safeguarding those funds,” Scott said in her report.

OCFS, through its Buffalo-based Native American Service Bureau, administers treaty obligations and a variety of programs for Native American tribes recognized by the state.

Specific to the Seneca Falls-based Cayuga Nation, the OCFS makes annuity and interest payments to individual tribal members. Payments to Cayuga Nation minors not residing with their parents were held in trust accounts that were administered by Thomas-Muffoletto before her arrest.

Scott noted that OCFS had no internal controls, no audits and no supervision of Thomas-Muffoletto’s management of the trust fund.
Cayuga Indian Nation
New York State Office Of Children And Family Services
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/04/16 07:20 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: cob pee-on
New name change must get them more handouts?
They probably wanted to get the word "nation" in their name. I say a nation with no land is not a nation.

No surprise there. 'Gonna pretend that you've never heard of the Iroquois Confederacy???

Formed around 1570, the confederacy (or Iroquois League) was originally comprised of five tribes. Starting from east to west, they were the Mohawks, Oneidas, Onondagas, Cayugas and the Senecas. In the early 1700s, the sixth tribe, the Tuscaroras migrated from North Carolina to the border regions between New York and Pennsylvania and united with the original five tribes into one cohesive alliance.

Not that such facts ever get in the way of your colonial expansionist sense of entitlement. frown

Read and Learn:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/08/16 05:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo

The Iroquois have absorbed many other peoples into their cultures as a result of warfare, adoption of captives, and by offering shelter to displaced nations.

After the defeat of the British and their Iroquois allies in the American Revolutionary War, Britain ceded most of the Iroquois territory, without bringing their allies to the negotiating table. Many of the Iroquois migrated to Canada, forced out of New York because of hostility to the British allies.

The editors of American Heritage magazine suggest the Iroquois spokesmen were politically sophisticated, and as manipulative as many a modern politician.[27]

Around 1670, the Iroquois drove the Siouan-speaking Mannahoac tribe out of the northern Virginia Piedmont region. They began to claim ownership of the territory by right of conquest. In 1672, the Iroquois were defeated by a war party of Susquehannock. The Iroquois appealed to the French for support and asked Governor Frontenac to assist them against the Susquehannock.

The American Revolution was a war that caused great divide amongst the colonists between Patriots and Loyalists; it caused a divide between the colonies and Great Britain, and it also caused a rift that would break the Iroquois Confederacy. At the onset of the Revolution, the Iroquois Confederacy "Six Nations" attempted to take a stance of neutrality. However, almost inevitably, the Iroquois nations eventually had to take sides in the conflict. It is easy to see how the American Revolution would have caused conflict and confusion among the Six Nations. For years they had been used to thinking about the English and colonists as one and the same. In the American Revolution, the Iroquois Confederacy now had to deal with relationships of two governments.[49]

The Iroquois League traditions allowed for the dead to be symbolically replaced through captives taken in "mourning wars", the blood feuds and vendettas that were an essential aspect of Iroquois culture.[87] As a way of expediting the mourning process, raids were conducted to take vengeance and seize captives. Captives were generally adopted directly by the grieving family to replace the member(s) who had been lost. This process not only allowed the Iroquois to maintain their own numbers, but also to disperse and assimilate their enemies. The adoption of conquered peoples, especially during the period of the Beaver Wars (1609-1701), meant that the Iroquois League was composed largely of naturalized members of other tribes. Cadwallader Colden wrote, "It has been a constant maxim with the Five Nations, to save children and young men of the people they conquer, to adopt them into their own Nation, and to educate them as their own children, without distinction; These young people soon forget their own country and nation and by this policy the Five Nations make up the losses which their nation suffers by the people they lose in war." By 1668, two-thirds of the Oneida village were assimilated Algonquians and Hurons. At Onondaga there were Native Americans of seven different nations and among the Seneca eleven.[88] They also adopted European captives, as did the Catholic Mohawk in settlements outside Montreal. This tradition of adoption and assimilation was common to native people of the northeast but was quite different from European settlers' notions of combat.
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Thanks! I learned a lot! They were very warlike and lost a lot of wars!
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/15/16 01:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo

Seems like the Iroquis were always at war with somebody!

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According to one theory of early Iroquois history, after becoming united in the League, the Iroquois invaded the Ohio River Valley in present-day Kentucky to seek additional hunting grounds. They displaced about 1200 Siouan-speaking tribepeople of the Ohio River valley, such as the Quapaw (Akansea), Ofo (Mosopelea), and Tutelo and other closely related tribes out of the region. These tribes migrated to regions around the Mississippi River and the piedmont regions of the east coast.[28] The explorer Robert La Salle in the 17th century identified the Mosopelea as among the Ohio Valley peoples defeated by the Iroquois in the early 1670s, during the Beaver Wars.[29] As has been noted above, there were peoples who spoke languages in the same linguistic family, but who were not part of the League.
Posted by: scwoodchuck

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/16/16 08:33 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: cob pee-on
New name change must get them more handouts?
They probably wanted to get the word "nation" in their name. I say a nation with no land is not a nation.

HUD will save them grin

http://www.fltimes.com/news/cayuga-natio...05ba3252fb.html
Feb 17, 2016 ... SENECA FALLS — The Cayuga Indian Nation has been given $386,052 for affordable housing from the U.S. Department of Housing and ...
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/20/16 06:18 AM

VARICK — Two men wanted over a shooting and arson at a Cayuga Nation house were recently arrested, although Seneca County’s sheriff admits a little luck was involved. Marcus Redeye, 18, of Salamanca, Cattaraugus County, was charged March 12 with second degree assault (class D felony). Devin Bomberry,23, also of Salamanca, was charged with third degree arson (class C felony) and second degree criminal mischief (class D felony). Sheriff Tim Luce said the arrests conclude an investigation into the shooting and vehicle arson on Sept. 10, 2015, at the Cayuga Nation “Varick house” on County Road 124. Deputies responded after a report of shots fired in the area during a confrontation between rival factions. Dustin Sharpe, 30, of Hamburg, Erie County, was shot multiple times in the ankle by a high-powered, semi-automatic BB rifle.

Jordan Abrams, 23, who was living in the house, is accused of shooting Sharpe and was charged Oct. 1 with second-degree assault. Spencer Gauthier, 44, of Salamanca, Cattaraugus County, was shot in the back with a shotgun. Redeye is accused of shooting him. About two months after the incident, Peter J. dwards II, 31, of Nedrow, Onondaga County, turned himself in at the Seneca County Law Enforcement Center. He was charged with fourth-degree arson (class E felony), second degree criminal mischief and tampering with physical evidence (class E felony). Edwards and Bomberry are accused of setting a pickup truck on fire during the altercation. Edwards is also accused of removing evidence from a crime scene in which a shooting occurred.

Sharpe and Gauthier were treated at Geneva General Hospital and Strong Memorial Hospital in Rochester and later released. Luce said Redeye and Bomberry were arrested following a disturbance last weekend in Cattaraugus County. Deputies there learned there were warrants for their arrest out of Varick Town Court and took them into custody, later handing them off to Seneca County deputies. Redeye and Bomberry were arraigned in Fayette Town Court and remanded to the county jail in lieu of $15,000 bail or $30,000 bond. All four defendants will have their cases handled in county court.

Luce said if not for the chance arrest in Cattaraugus County, there is no telling how long Redeye and Bomberry ould have remained at large. He added that during the time they were being sought, sheriff ’s office investigators received little or no help from the Nation. “They were not very forthcoming,” Luce said Friday. “We asked for their help and we were told they (Redeye and Bomberry) were not even part of the tribe.
Posted by: scwoodchuck

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/20/16 08:35 AM

I like the way they leave out the fact the shooting was with a BB gun wink
Posted by: Ranger

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/21/16 04:44 AM

may be you should go back and read the above article again, it very plainly states "was shot multiple times in the ankle by a high-powered, semi-automatic BB rifle."
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/21/16 06:47 AM

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
I like the way they leave out the fact the shooting was with a BB gun wink
Did you also miss this line?
Quote:
Jordan Abrams, 23, who was living in the house, is accused of shooting Sharpe and was charged Oct. 1 with second-degree assault. Spencer Gauthier, 44, of Salamanca, Cattaraugus County, was shot in the back with a shotgun.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/21/16 07:43 AM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo

Seems like the Iroquis were always at war with somebody!

First of all... That's untrue.

Secondly... Even if it were true, it would be utterly meaningless in the absence of context.

However, it COULD more accurately be said of Europe and the US, as well as many primitive cultures world-over.

Besides.. do sophomoric conclusions such as yours warrant similar childishly-simplistic presumptions of some imagined guilt??? crazy

Clearly NOT.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/23/16 05:36 PM

VARICK — Three of the four people arrested for last September’s shootings and arson at a Cayuga Nation-owned house have pleaded guilty to misdemeanors.

Seneca County’s district attorney said several factors played a role in those plea deals.

“All faced felonies, but not all felony cases end with felony convictions,” DA Barry Porsch explained. “On a regular basis, some low-level felonies are resolved with pleas to class A misdemeanors, depending on the facts and circumstances of the case.”

Devin Bomberry, 23, of Salamanca, Cattaraugus County, pleaded guilty Thursday to fourth-degree criminal mischief. He was sentenced to a conditional discharge.

Bomberry and another Salamanca resident, Marcus Redeye, 18, were arrested earlier this month by county sheriff’s office investigators. Bomberry was charged with felony arson and criminal mischief.

Bomberry and Peter Edwards, 31, of Nedrow, Onondaga County, were accused of setting fire to a pickup truck on Sept. 10 at the Cayuga Nation “Varick house” on County Road 124. Deputies responded after a report of shots fired during a confrontation between rival factions.

Porsch said there is a question of whether Bomberry actually set fire to the truck or was acting as a lookout.

“This was a mass incident going on between two factions. Lookout was the term that was used,” Porsch said. “We have strong cases and we have weak cases. Sometimes to resolve the latter, both parties agree to a misdemeanor.”

Edwards pleaded guilty earlier to fourth-degree criminal mischief. He was also sentenced to a conditional discharge.

Dustin Sharpe, 30, of Hamburg, Erie County, was shot in the ankle by a high-powered, semi-automatic BB rifle. Jordan Abrams, 23, who was living in the house, was charged with felony second-degree assault.

Abrams later pleaded guilty to third-degree assault, a misdemeanor, and will be sentenced later this month. Porsch said he will likely get a conditional discharge or probation.

Spencer Gauthier, 44, of Salamanca, was shot in the back with a shotgun. Redeye is accused of shooting him and faces a felony charge of second-degree assault.

Redeye was originally jailed on $15,000 bail, but Porsch said he was later released on his own recognizance when his preliminary hearing in Varick Town Court could not go forward. That was because a key prosecution witness is away on vacation outside the county.

Sharpe and Gauthier were treated at Geneva General Hospital and Strong Memorial Hospital in Rochester and later released.

“Redeye is still facing a felony assault charge, and jurisdiction still lies with the town court until he is either indicted or agrees to divest it to county court, waive indictment and be prosecuted by a superior court information,” Porsch said.

Porsch added that since Abrams used a BB gun and Redeye is accused of using a shotgun, he is not offering Redeye a chance to plead to a misdemeanor at this time.

“I’m not sure how it will be resolved. A lot depends on witness cooperation,” Porsch said. “The problem we have in general in these cases is cooperation when dealing with the people involved. They are very difficult cases to prosecute.”

Porsch and police agencies that have investigated incidents involving the Cayuga Nation have also questioned whether many of the participants are members of the tribe. In the Varick incident several appear to be members of the Seneca Nation in western New York.

“I don’t know what nation they belong to. I speculate they are Senecas, because they told the judge their longtime residence is in Cattaraugus County,” Porsch said. “From what I understand, this is an ongoing dispute and both factions [of the Cayuga Nation] have brought in people from other nations as muscle, so to speak.”
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/24/16 10:20 AM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
“I don’t know what nation they belong to. I speculate they are Senecas, because they told the judge their longtime residence is in Cattaraugus County,” Porsch said. “From what I understand, this is an ongoing dispute and both factions [of the Cayuga Nation] have brought in people from other nations as muscle, so to speak.”
muscle? other nations? What a joke. Sounds like the disruptions at one presidential candidates rallies. The current level of violence in the entire world is totally appalling.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/24/16 04:38 PM

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VARICK — Three of the four people arrested for last September’s shootings and arson at a Cayuga Nation-owned house have pleaded guilty to misdemeanors.


wonder if halftown will make a donation to the local law enforcement for protecting him?
Posted by: Hello_Governer

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/27/16 08:14 AM

maybe we should send these guys a bill grin

http://www.bia.gov/WhoWeAre/BIA/
The Bureau of Indian Affairs' mission is to enhance the quality of life, to promote economic opportunity, and to carry out the responsibility to protect and improve

The BIA serves the 566 federally recognized tribes through four offices:
The Office of Indian Services: operates the BIA’s general assistance, disaster relief, Indian child welfare, tribal government, Indian Self-Determination, and Indian Reservation Roads Program.
The Office of Justice Services (OJS): directly operates or funds law enforcement, tribal courts, and detention facilities on federal Indian lands. OJS funded 208 law enforcement agencies, consisting of 43 BIA-operated police agencies, and 165 tribally operated agencies under contract, or compact with the OJS. The office has seven areas of activity: Criminal Investigations and Police Services, Detention/Corrections, Inspection/Internal Affairs, Tribal Law Enforcement and Special Initiatives, the Indian Police Academy, Tribal Justice Support, and Program Management. The OJS also provides oversight and technical assistance to tribal law enforcement programs when and where requested. It operates four divisions: Corrections, Drug Enforcement, the Indian Police Academy, and Law Enforcement
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/27/16 11:12 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Quote:
VARICK — Three of the four people arrested for last September’s shootings and arson at a Cayuga Nation-owned house have pleaded guilty to misdemeanors.

wonder if halftown will make a donation to the local law enforcement for protecting him?

Sorry... the federal government coerced American Indians into stewardship, it's therefor their (read: taxpayer) responsibility and financial burden under its own illegal laws.

Thanks for playin', though. whistle
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/30/16 10:54 AM

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I see the Oneida tribe is now claiming what was the Cayuga Lakeside Entertainment in Union Springs.
http://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/owners/oneida-indian-nation


halbritter can not own it
he stated in the newspaper article back when the 'compact' was signed that he needed state approval

is this further proof that there is NOT a cayuga 'reservation'?


Posted by: Hello_Governer

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/30/16 01:08 PM

New York made separate purchases and leases of land from the Indians, which were not ratified by the US Congress.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cayuga_Nation_of_New_York

Under the 1794 Treaty of Canandaigua, 64,000 acres at the north end of Cayuga Lake were reserved to the Cayuga. This reservation was never disestablished, but New York sold off the land.[4] For the past 200 years, citizens mainly lived on Seneca reservations.[5]

In 2005 the Cayuga Nation began to purchase land within its reservation territory and provide assistance for Cayuga Nation members to return to their homeland.[6]
Posted by: SilverFox

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/30/16 05:21 PM

Here is the kink in the situation. There were 10 Indian Reservations in New York State. None of these reservations were ever Federal Reservations. They were always New York State Reservations. The tribes were given the legal right to use of the reservations lands for as long as they wanted to live there. The Treaty of Canandaigua mentioned the State Reservations existed and stated the Federal government would not interfere with those State reservations. That did not make the State Reservations in to Federal Reservations. Therefore there was never any legal need for the Federal Government to disestablish those reservations because they were State Lands not Federal. When the Indians decided to leave the State Reservations Lands they sold the land back to NYS which they were legally entitled to do and the State was legally entitled to purchase without any interference from the Federal Government. The tribe has been paid by NYS at least 8 times for buying back the reservation land. It was legal and a done deal.

This is based on Article 2 of the Treaty of Canandaigua which has been misinterpreted as making the State Reservations Federal Lands. It did not change the State Lands into a Federal Reservation.

The present day tribe has the legal right to purchase the land on the open market but that will not re-establish a reservation. Any land they buy is not sovereign,nor a reservation. Those lands are subject to all laws and property taxes the same as any other lands owned by non tribe members.
Posted by: Hello_Governer

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/30/16 07:29 PM

did you just dream that up, sounds like it wink
ARTICLE 2.The United States acknowledge the lands reserved to the Oneida, Onondaga, and Cayuga Nations in their respective treaties with the State of New York, and called their reservations, to be their property; and the United States will never claim the same, nor disturb them, or either of the Six Nations, nor their Indian friends, residing thereon, and united with them in the free use and enjoyment thereof; but the said reservations shall remain theirs, until they choose to sell the same to the people of the United States, who have the right to purchase
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/30/16 09:47 PM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Quote:
I see the Oneida tribe is now claiming what was the Cayuga Lakeside Entertainment in Union Springs.
http://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/owners/oneida-indian-nation
halbritter can not own it
he stated in the newspaper article back when the 'compact' was signed that he needed state approval

is this further proof that there is NOT a cayuga 'reservation'?

"Learn from the master then make his eyes water." -Asian Proverb whistle
Posted by: Teonan

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/31/16 12:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Quote:
I see the Oneida tribe is now claiming what was the Cayuga Lakeside Entertainment in Union Springs.
http://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/owners/oneida-indian-nation
halbritter can not own it
he stated in the newspaper article back when the 'compact' was signed that he needed state approval

is this further proof that there is NOT a cayuga 'reservation'?

"Learn from the master then make his eyes water." -Asian Proverb whistle


Humility discerned can do just that.

Snobbish settlers routinely avoid this wise Haudenosaunee waiting at the narrow gate...

"I think Indian people really understand the outside culture much better than the outside culture understands us, because we have been in the minority of strength."
~ Oren Lyons, Onondaga Turtle Clan traditional chief, educator.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/31/16 08:59 AM

Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
In 2005 the Cayuga Nation began to purchase land within its reservation territory


why has halftown applied for trust if it is 'reservation' land?

did the federal government 'ratifiy' the recent 'compact' with the 'tribes' and NYS?

if not then it must be invalid by your position
Posted by: Hello_Governer

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/31/16 09:51 AM

why did the Seneca Cayugas get shut down, but not the Cayugas crazy
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/31/16 10:05 AM

why did harris beach 'forget' to file papers to SCOTUS for the cayuga foreclosure case?
Posted by: SilverFox

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/31/16 03:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
did you just dream that up, sounds like it wink
ARTICLE 2.The United States acknowledge the lands reserved to the Oneida, Onondaga, and Cayuga Nations in their respective treaties with the State of New York, and called their reservations, to be their property; and the United States will never claim the same, nor disturb them, or either of the Six Nations, nor their Indian friends, residing thereon, and united with them in the free use and enjoyment thereof; but the said reservations shall remain theirs, until they choose to sell the same to the people of the United States, who have the right to purchase


Do you not understand what you posted? By your own post I did not dream anything up.

The United States acknowledge the lands reserved to the Oneida, Onondaga, and Cayuga Nations in their respective treaties with the State of New York, and called their reservations, to be their property;[/color] and the United States will never claim the same, nor disturb them...

"The United States ACKNOWLEDEDthe lands reserved..." That in no way converted NYS reservation in to Federal Reservations. The only reservations that require Federal Government to disestablish them are Federal Reservations. There have never been any Federal reservations in NYS. Disestablishment was not required. The only restriction was the sale
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they choose to sell the same to the people of the United States, who have the right to purchase
That was to prevent the land from being sold to a foreign nation. NYS was qualified to buy the land back.

I hope this clarifies Article 2 for you. If not I do not know how else to explain it any clearer for you.
Posted by: SilverFox

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/31/16 04:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
why did the Seneca Cayugas get shut down, but not the Cayugas crazy


They were shut down beside they are considered an out of state tribe because they are located in Oklahoma if I remember correctly. Besides Halftown didn't like the competition and complained to the authorities. The investigation resulted in money laundering through Community Bank accounts.
Posted by: scwoodchuck

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/31/16 06:36 PM

That still doesn't explain why the Cayuga's weren't shut down
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 04/04/16 11:33 AM

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
the Cayuga's


how many cayuga 'tribal' members were there when the land was sold to NYS over 200 years ago?
Posted by: teedoff27

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 04/06/16 06:35 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
the Cayuga's


how many cayuga 'tribal' members were there when the land was sold to NYS over 200 years ago?


BWAHAHAHA!
Sunday would of marked 18 months since my last postnly to return to see you spewing the same drivel.
Have you noticed that all Native businesses are STILL open and STILL untaxed, even though you *claimed* that they were going to be taxed and/or shuttered.

Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 04/07/16 09:24 AM

Originally Posted By: teedoff27
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
the Cayuga's
how many cayuga 'tribal' members were there when the land was sold to NYS over 200 years ago?
BWAHAHAHA!
Sunday would of marked 18 months since my last postnly to return to see you spewing the same drivel.
Have you noticed that all Native businesses are STILL open and STILL untaxed, even though you *claimed* that they were going to be taxed and/or shuttered.
Yes it is a very sad situation which appears to have no end in sight. frown
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 04/07/16 12:15 PM

By DAVID L. SHAW
dshaw@fltimes.com

SENECA FALLS — According to Seneca and Cayuga county officials, the Cayuga Indian Nation owes more than $2 million in unpaid property taxes on land it has purchased since 2008.

And, there is no immediate prospect for retrieving that revenue. State Sen. Mike Nozzolio has worked to get money included in the last three state budgets to partially offset those losses. The recently adopted 2016-17
spending plan includes more than $400,000 for the two counties to help offset the Cayugas’ unpaid taxes, bringing the three-year total to $3.5 million in assistance.

The Cayugas own 1,114 acres in Seneca County and about 250 acres in Cayuga County. Both counties fall within Nozzolio’s district. “It is my pleasure to nnounce that I have been successful in my efforts to offset the financial burden on local taxpayers created by the Cayuga Indian’s refusal to pay their property taxes,” Nozzolio, R-54 of Fayette, said in a press release. “In addition, I will continue to do everything in my power to push for fair and equitable collection of these unpaid property taxes.”

Nozzolio noted that the state funding does not relieve the Cayugas of their financial obligation to the two counties. Nozzolio and others claim the nation does not have a sovereign reservation or land in trust that would exempt them from paying property taxes on land purchased from willing sellers. “As a lifelong resident of Seneca County, I remain firmly committed to doing everything I can to protect our local hardworking taxpayers from this inequity and will continue my efforts to see that the Cayugas pay their fair share of taxes", he concluded.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 04/07/16 12:28 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
By DAVID L. SHAW
dshaw@fltimes.com

State Sen. Mike Nozzolio has worked to get money included in the last three state budgets to partially offset those losses.
So all NY state tax payers have to help out Seneca County since the Indians refuse to pay their fair share of taxes here. How sad!
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 04/07/16 12:30 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Nozzolio and others claim the nation does not have a sovereign reservation or land in trust that would exempt them from paying property taxes on land purchased from willing sellers.
As far as I know, all elected officials in NY state agree on this. Which makes this one of the very few things they all agree on! With this much total agreement why in the world can't they make it happen?
Posted by: hearallseeall

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 04/08/16 01:02 AM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: teedoff27
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
the Cayuga's
how many cayuga 'tribal' members were there when the land was sold to NYS over 200 years ago?
BWAHAHAHA!
Sunday would of marked 18 months since my last postnly to return to see you spewing the same drivel.
Have you noticed that all Native businesses are STILL open and STILL untaxed, even though you *claimed* that they were going to be taxed and/or shuttered.
Yes it is a very sad situation which appears to have no end in sight. frown

Actually, a lot of progress has been made.

-SC is continuing to find ways to make the bandits in SC more accountable.

-We have a casino being built in SC which will provide a good amount of competition for the indian owned casinos which levels the playing field. This will provide enough competition where Halbitter felt the need to cry on commercials and say how UNFAIR this is. The Oneidas also felt threatened enough where they paid for lawyers to put hurdles into this project.

- NYS government continues crack down on the underground cigarette network which makes it tougher for these illegal indian businesses to sell cigs.

I'm still not sure why you think the situation is funny (this is noted from your continual over usage of bwahaahahahbwahhahahahahahah). Unless you think paying more in taxes and supporting dead beats is funny, then yes, I can see why you think the situation is hilarious. Which also speaks volumes about your common sense.
Posted by: Hello_Governer

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 04/09/16 05:24 PM

#1 " NYS government continues crack down on the underground cigarette network which. " actually protects the Indian's cig sales.
#2 " SC is continuing to find ways to make the bandits in SC more accountable." so the state steps in and pays the property tax for the Cayuga Tribe.
#3 the Oneidas and the Senecas will put del Lago out of business in a matter of a few years
#4 NYS government continues crack down on the underground cigarette network which makes it tougher for these illegal Indian businesses to sell cigs. True but just the name brand cigs so they make EVEN MORE MONEY just selling Indian made brands.
bwahaahahahbwahhahahahahahah

OH,AH, How do you know that the Indians aren't del Lago's investors ? I mean the Mohawks could be behind it and you wouldn't even know.
Posted by: teedoff27

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 04/13/16 04:40 AM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: kyle585
By DAVID L. SHAW
dshaw@fltimes.com

State Sen. Mike Nozzolio has worked to get money included in the last three state budgets to partially offset those losses.
So all NY state tax payers have to help out Seneca County since the Indians refuse to pay their fair share of taxes here. How sad!


GUILT for the MILLIONS his law firm has bilked from Seneca County playing both sides of the fence and the extreme conflict of interest!
Posted by: teedoff27

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 04/13/16 04:55 AM

Quote:
I'm still not sure why you think the situation is funny


What I find funny is Bluezone spewing the same drivel and Natives are getting SHUT DOWN for YEARS and not ONE thing has changed. Also the fact he still thinks Politicians are honest and will do the right thing! Just like the failed trucker's rally he warned us about, the failed *Paterson Day*, etc. etc.
The funniest was when he claimed Mikey BOZZOllio and David *Daddy WelfareBucks* Paterson were his *pit bulls* and were going to shut the Natives down!
NYS is the one who shot themselves when they raised the tax on cigs to $4.35. Ever notice how States with the lowest cig tax don't have problems with "the Natives stealing their revenue"??? Even the biggest "tax the natives supporters" went running to the Rez when cigs went over $10/pack! People WILL NOT walk, drive, or go out of their way to save $1 or $2 a carton, but they will MOST DEFINITELY go out of their way to save $70/carton!
Posted by: scwoodchuck

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 04/13/16 07:18 AM

Have you noticed that kyle and bluezone never mention that the Tribes pay the State 25% of their gambling profits ? grin
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 04/13/16 09:50 AM

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Have you noticed that kyle and bluezone never mention that the Tribes pay the State 25% of their gambling profits ? grin
The other 75% of their profits they pay no income tax on that a non-Native owner would have to pay.
Posted by: scwoodchuck

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 04/13/16 01:30 PM

" States are limited by federal law on the monies they are authorized to receive from Indian tribe's Class III gaming operations. Section 2710 (d)(4) of the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act states: Additionally, the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act limits how each tribe may expend the revenues they derive from gaming operations. Pursuant to § 2710 (b)(2), the Chairman of the National Indian Gaming Commission may not approve any tribal ordinances or resolution for the conduct of Class II gaming if net revenues from the tribal gaming are to be used for purposes other than to:


•to fund tribal government operations or programs;
•to provide for the general welfare of the Indian tribe and its members;
•to promote tribal economic development;
•to donate to charitable organizations; or
•to help fund operations of local government agencies


https://www.gaming.ny.gov/gaming/indianFAQ.php

They are just abiding by the law
Posted by: teedoff27

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 04/14/16 09:42 AM

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Have you noticed that kyle and bluezone never mention that the Tribes pay the State 25% of their gambling profits ? grin


In addition to the 25% they also collect and submit a bed tax for their 4 hotels and food and beverage tax resort wide(Deal for a NYS Liquor License).

However I have $1,000 that says the day Del Lago opens is the day Halbritter stops paying the taxes and 25% in retaliation. Just like the Seneca's did to NYS with the 50% profit cut to NYS for Seneca Niagara Casino when they lost the right to sell tax free *branded* cigarettes
Posted by: Hello_Governer

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 04/14/16 12:55 PM

It would be a whole lot easier to form a LLC and buy Wilmot out, there are a lot of Native Americans who you can't tell they're Native Americans grin
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 04/14/16 02:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
there are a lot of Native Americans who you can't tell they're Native Americans grin
Right. They may be 1/2, 1/4, 1/16, etc. They are all American citizens and we can't change the past.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/03/16 10:19 AM

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Have you noticed that kyle and bluezone never mention that the Tribes pay the State 25% of their gambling profits ? grin


are those the 'tribal' casinos on the Federal 'reservations' in NYS?

LOL

did the 'tribe' get Federal approval for those casinos?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/03/16 10:25 AM

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
" States are limited by federal law on the monies they are authorized to receive from Indian tribe's Class III gaming operations. Section 2710 (d)(4) of the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act states: Additionally, the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act limits how each tribe may expend the revenues they derive from gaming operations. Pursuant to § 2710 (b)(2), the Chairman of the National Indian Gaming Commission may not approve any tribal ordinances or resolution for the conduct of Class II gaming if net revenues from the tribal gaming are to be used for purposes other than to:


•to fund tribal government operations or programs;
•to provide for the general welfare of the Indian tribe and its members;
•to promote tribal economic development;
•to donate to charitable organizations; or
•to help fund operations of local government agencies


https://www.gaming.ny.gov/gaming/indianFAQ.php

They are just abiding by the law




just checked google maps

NO Federal 'reservations' located in NYS

it appears the 'tribes' have been operating above the laws by even running any casino in NYS
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/09/16 02:06 AM

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
" States are limited by federal law on the monies they are authorized to receive from Indian tribe's Class III gaming operations. Section 2710 (d)(4) of the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act states: Additionally, the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act limits how each tribe may expend the revenues they derive from gaming operations. Pursuant to § 2710 (b)(2), the Chairman of the National Indian Gaming Commission may not approve any tribal ordinances or resolution for the conduct of Class II gaming if net revenues from the tribal gaming are to be used for purposes other than to:


•to fund tribal government operations or programs;
•to provide for the general welfare of the Indian tribe and its members;
•to promote tribal economic development;
•to donate to charitable organizations; or
•to help fund operations of local government agencies


https://www.gaming.ny.gov/gaming/indianFAQ.php

They are just abiding by the law



Quote:

In its legal arguments, the Seneca Nation "expressly acknowledges that, as a general principle, New York State has the authority to require reservation retailers to collect excise taxes on sales to non-Indians," Arcara wrote.


tell the 'tribes' to send in their late cig and gas taxes

make sure they abide by the laws...
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/13/16 06:00 AM

Originally Posted By: Teonan

Bernie Sanders to Visit Pine Ridge, Rapid City, and Sioux Falls: South Dakota Tribal Members Weigh In

Indian Country Today
Sarah Sunshine Manning

5/12/16

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders will be bringing his message to three South Dakota communities on Thursday, making visits to the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Rapid City, and Sioux Falls. The Vermont Senator’s campaign platform and background in social justice work has captivated many throughout Indian Country, and consequently, his visit to South Dakota is especially significant to many South Dakota tribal members.

“We are honored that Bernie Sanders is taking the time to come to the Oglala Lakota Nation to hear our issues involving treaties, health care, and housing,” said Tom Poor Bear, Vice President of the Oglala Sioux Tribe of Pine Ridge.


and which 'treaties' mentioned anything about free healthcare and free housing?

or voting in a US election whistle
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/13/16 06:16 AM

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Have you noticed that kyle and bluezone never mention that the Tribes pay the State 25% of their gambling profits ? grin


you have no stance to boast

Quote:
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Posted by: Hello_Governer

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/13/16 06:40 AM

You just post tribe stuff to detract from your sister in-law's antics.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/13/16 08:30 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
and which 'treaties' mentioned anything about free healthcare and free housing?

or voting in a US election whistle

Oh... the US's own clearly specific language establishing occupied native wardship/stewardship (among several other examples). whistle
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/13/16 08:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
and which 'treaties' mentioned anything about free healthcare and free housing?

or voting in a US election whistle

Oh... the US's own clearly specific language establishing occupied native wardship/stewardship (among several other examples). whistle


there was no 'treaty' written over 200 years ago mentioning healthcare, housing or voting

keep chasing your tail...

Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/13/16 09:40 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
and which 'treaties' mentioned anything about free healthcare and free housing?

or voting in a US election whistle

Oh... the US's own clearly specific language establishing occupied native wardship/stewardship (among several other examples). whistle


there was no 'treaty' written over 200 years ago mentioning healthcare, housing or voting

keep chasing your tail...

Trustship/Wardship... ANOTHER NA Issue that you have absolutely no knowledge of.

* Commerce Clause.
* Cherokee Nation v. Georgia.
* Guardian/Ward Relationship.
* Marshall Trilogy.
* Snyder Act.
* Transfer Act.
* Dawes Act.
* Fourteenth Amendment.
* Fifteenth Amendment.
* Johnson v. McIntosh - Discovery Doctrine.
* United States v. Kagama.
* Tee-Hit-Ton Indians v. United States.
* John Collier and the Indian New Deal.
* Policy of Termination.
* Relocation.
* Fort Laramie Treaty.
* Oklahoma Enabling Act
* Indian Claims Commission.
* Federal Trust Responsibility.
* Indian Health Care Improvement Act.
* Indian Civil Rights Act.
* Voting Rights Act.

So Yes. Treaties and Laws alike (regardless of how many qualifiers you attempt to shoehorn into your farcical argument).
Posted by: scwoodchuck

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/13/16 09:41 AM

So who ran the reservations in the 1860s 70s and 80s ? What took place on these reservations ?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/13/16 10:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone


there was no 'treaty' written over 200 years ago mentioning healthcare, housing or voting

keep chasing your tail...

Trustship/Wardship... ANOTHER NA Issue that you have absolutely no knowledge of.

* Commerce Clause.
* Cherokee Nation v. Georgia.
* Guardian/Ward Relationship.
* Marshall Trilogy.
* Snyder Act.
* Transfer Act.
* Dawes Act.
* Fourteenth Amendment.
* Fifteenth Amendment.
* Johnson v. McIntosh - Discovery Doctrine.
* United States v. Kagama.
* Tee-Hit-Ton Indians v. United States.
* John Collier and the Indian New Deal.
* Policy of Termination.
* Relocation.
* Fort Laramie Treaty.
* Oklahoma Enabling Act
* Indian Claims Commission.
* Federal Trust Responsibility.
* Indian Health Care Improvement Act.
* Indian Civil Rights Act.
* Voting Rights Act.


So Yes. Treaties and Laws alike (regardless of how many qualifiers you attempt to shoehorn into your farcical argument).


those ain't treaties written 200+ years ago

keep chasing your tail...
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/13/16 10:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Trustship/Wardship... ANOTHER NA Issue that you have absolutely no knowledge of.[/size]


is a 'wardship' a 'nation'?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/13/16 10:28 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
there was no 'treaty' written over 200 years ago mentioning healthcare, housing or voting

keep chasing your tail...

Trustship/Wardship... ANOTHER NA Issue that you have absolutely no knowledge of.




give us any 'treaty' written 200+ years for any NY state 'tribe' that mentioned free healthcare, free housing and voting rights

remember it has to be a 'treaty' written 200+ years ago


YAWN...
Posted by: Rich_Tallcot

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/13/16 09:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
did you just dream that up, sounds like it wink
ARTICLE 2.The United States acknowledge the lands reserved to the Oneida, Onondaga, and Cayuga Nations in their respective treaties with the State of New York, and called their reservations, to be their property; and the United States will never claim the same, nor disturb them, or either of the Six Nations, nor their Indian friends, residing thereon, and united with them in the free use and enjoyment thereof; but the said reservations shall remain theirs, until they choose to sell the same to the people of the United States, who have the right to purchase
I know SilverFox answered, but maybe this will clarify it:
"In their respective treaties with the State of New York" is what is acknowledged which means the 1789 Treaty of Albany with the Cayuga and the 1788 Treaty of Ft. Schuyler with the Oneida in which the state bought ALL their lands and it ALL became state land.

What was granted were use rights and the State was the only entity that could buy those use rights because it was state land. "Who have the right to purchase" was distinctly brought out in the second circuit, which dismissed the case.

Unfortunately the case was dismissed based on laches rather than the merits

The feds chad no authority to disestablish a reservation they never owned.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/17/16 09:15 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
there was no 'treaty' written over 200 years ago mentioning healthcare, housing or voting

keep chasing your tail...

Trustship/Wardship... ANOTHER NA Issue that you have absolutely no knowledge of.




give us any 'treaty' written 200+ years for any NY state 'tribe' that mentioned free healthcare, free housing and voting rights

remember it has to be a 'treaty' written 200+ years ago



YAWN...




you still researchin' it?


must be it don't exist

yawn...

Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/17/16 09:27 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
those ain't treaties written 200+ years ago

Firstly, your attempts to win a debate by constantly moving the goal post, don't require the facts to adapt to your convenient "dodges" OF them (as I've previously and repeatedly pointed out to you).

Each and every example cited above, is relevant, accurate and has the weight of law behind it.

Secondly, the issue is, at the heart of it, not merely "healthcare" as described in your oversimplification. Rather, it is, in fact, the US government's self-appointed duty to provide for the wellbeing of Native American "Domestic Wards" as is specifically described and laid-out BY the federal government, itself. The fact that NAs may or may no longer be members of tribes, is without debate, a direct result of US policy involving American Natives, since no such condition existed prior to white man's arrival on the continent.

You see, Blue... by following both a well-documented historical record and concise documentation, a correlation combined with evidence can indeed prove direct causation. This is indisputably one of those instances.

Put simply... you don't get to have it both ways.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/25/16 06:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
those ain't treaties written 200+ years ago

Firstly, your attempts to win a debate by constantly moving the goal post, don't require the facts to adapt to your convenient "dodges" OF them (as I've previously and repeatedly pointed out to you).


so you failed to provide a 'treaty' that included healthcare
it is the 'tribes' wanting it 'both ways'


Originally Posted By: Timbo
Each and every example cited above, is relevant, accurate and has the weight of law behind it.


and that is why the indian claims commission passed by congress 'bars forever' lawsuits by the 'tribes' for any actions prior to 1946

halbriter and halftown did not have a 'federal reservation' in NYS in 1946
their 'land claim' was barred forever by the indian claims commission passed by Congress

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Secondly, the issue is, at the heart of it, not merely "healthcare" as described in your oversimplification. Rather, it is, in fact, the US government's self-appointed duty to provide for the wellbeing of Native American "Domestic Wards" as is specifically described and laid-out BY the federal government, itself. The fact that NAs may or may no longer be members of tribes, is without debate, a direct result of US policy involving American Natives, since no such condition existed prior to white man's arrival on the continent.


when one has US citizenship in 1924 then one can not claim to be another 'nation'
guess who wants it 'both ways'...

Originally Posted By: Timbo
You see, Blue... by following both a well-documented historical record and concise documentation, a correlation combined with evidence can indeed prove direct causation. This is indisputably one of those instances.


the 'tribes' sided with the british and LOST
when will the US be giving the british population healthcare or voting rights...?


Originally Posted By: Timbo
Put simply... you don't get to have it both ways.


it is the 'tribes' that want it both ways
they want US citizenship but be a separate 'nation'

Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/25/16 07:32 AM


Yet, EVERY single point you've just attempted to make, can be qualified and discredited by the incontrovertable fact that each exists as a result of a brutal enforcement of illegal "white" laws dictated to the unwillfully subjugated native peoples, first residing on the continent.

Period.

So, the only thing I've failed at, is to widen your narrow mind.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/25/16 07:40 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Don't forget natural selection's part in it. Evolve or die.



and what did you mean by that?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/25/16 07:45 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo

unwillfully subjugated native peoples


have you given your land back to the 'tribes' yet ?

YAWN...
Posted by: secure white guy

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/25/16 07:50 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Don't forget natural selection's part in it. Evolve or die.



and what did you mean by that?


Finally, an illuminating response from ya! Well done bz. grin
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/25/16 07:58 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
unwillfully subjugated native peoples


joseph brant made the choice to side with the british

have his decendants give you everything you need...

Originally Posted By: Timbo

The MOHAWK chief THAYENDANEGEA (known to Anglo-Americans as JOSEPH BRANT) was the most important Iroquois leader in the Revolutionary Era. He convinced four of the six Iroquois nations to join him in an alliance with the British and was instrumental in leading combined Indian, British, and Loyalist forces on punishing raids in western New York and Pennsylvania in 1778 and 1779.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/25/16 08:00 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
first residing on the continent.


untrue
Posted by: secure white guy

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/25/16 08:16 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
first residing on the continent.


untrue


Sounds like you're locked in to your pet theory bz.

And which school of thought are you siding with on this anthropological/archeological issue?
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/25/16 08:45 AM

Originally Posted By: secure white guy
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
first residing on the continent.
untrue

Sounds like you're locked in to your pet theory bz.

And which school of thought are you siding with on this anthropological/archeological issue?

Whichever school, in terms of retaining curriculum, bz needs to repeat a grade.

Or perhaps "bleu" can explain to everyone, exactly which academic standard he's using to support his brilliant thesis, titled "Untrue"?????
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/25/16 08:49 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Don't forget natural selection's part in it. Evolve or die.

and what did you mean by that?

... thereby, illustrating my point. whistle
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/25/16 08:59 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Don't forget natural selection's part in it. Evolve or die.

and what did you mean by that?

... thereby, illustrating my point. whistle


Originally Posted By: Timbo

The MOHAWK chief THAYENDANEGEA (known to Anglo-Americans as JOSEPH BRANT) was the most important Iroquois leader in the Revolutionary Era. He convinced four of the six Iroquois nations to join him in an alliance with the British and was instrumental in leading combined Indian, British, and Loyalist forces on punishing raids in western New York and Pennsylvania in 1778 and 1779.



Originally Posted By: Timbo
As a Wea Indian complained about the failed military alliance with the British, "In endeavoring to assist you it seems we have wrought our own ruin."


evolve or be subsidized by the US

whistle

Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/25/16 09:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Trustship/Wardship... ANOTHER NA Issue that you have absolutely no knowledge of.

* Commerce Clause.
* Cherokee Nation v. Georgia.
* Guardian/Ward Relationship.
* Marshall Trilogy.
* Snyder Act.
* Transfer Act.
* Dawes Act.
* Fourteenth Amendment.
* Fifteenth Amendment.
* Johnson v. McIntosh - Discovery Doctrine.
* United States v. Kagama.
* Tee-Hit-Ton Indians v. United States.
* John Collier and the Indian New Deal.
* Policy of Termination.
* Relocation.
* Fort Laramie Treaty.
* Oklahoma Enabling Act
* Indian Claims Commission.
* Federal Trust Responsibility.
* Indian Health Care Improvement Act.
* Indian Civil Rights Act.
* Voting Rights Act.



and who wants it 'both ways'?
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/25/16 09:53 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
and who wants it 'both ways'?

You (US Govt.) Created That Dynamic... Now LIVE With It.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/25/16 09:55 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
evlove or be subsidized by the US

whistle

It's impossible to subsidize that which never belonged to you in the first place.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/25/16 10:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
You (US Govt.) Created That Dynamic... Now LIVE With It.


look in the mirror...

Originally Posted By: Timbo

I was nicknamed "WEAPS" for a very good reason.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/25/16 10:55 AM

Go get him BZ. grin
Posted by: Hello_Governer

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/25/16 11:16 AM

George Washington said any land deals made between the State and the tribes were void grin
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/25/16 11:34 AM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Go get him BZ. grin


his own posts contradict each other grin
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/25/16 11:35 AM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Go get him BZ. grin

Sure... when your arguments fall flat, why not reduce yourself to introducing ad homonim attacks, instead?

You would know, wouldn't you?
crazy
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/25/16 11:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
George Washington said any land deals made between the State and the tribes were void grin


and what year was that?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/26/16 08:04 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Sure... when your arguments fall flat,


it is your own posts that are in conflict with each other

silly one...
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/26/16 08:20 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Don't forget natural selection's part in it. Evolve or die.

and what did you mean by that?

... thereby, illustrating my point. whistle


you pointed out that over 200 years ago a group of individuals made wrong choices, failed to evolve and now wants the US to provide for their entire existence


Originally Posted By: Timbo
Evlove or die.


by your own admittance the result should have been far different
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/26/16 08:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
You see, Blue... by following both a well-documented historical record and concise documentation, a correlation combined with evidence can indeed prove direct causation. This is indisputably one of those instances.


you have a serious flaw in your logic

feel free to prove that the 'tribes' would still be in possession of the land today


if you are unable to prove that then the 'tribes' should lose all financial assitance from the US taxpayers


Originally Posted By: Timbo
you don't get to have it both ways.

Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/26/16 08:45 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
you pointed out that over 200 years ago a group of individuals made wrong choices, failed to evolve and now wants the US to provide for their entire existence.

The US government CHOSE to provide for their existence, and states in writing, PRECISELY that very FACT.

Originally Posted By: bluezone
"Evlove or die." -Timbo

by your own admittance the result should have been far different

That's clearly NOT evolution... it's Genocide, as thoroughly described by all international agreements and treaties of which the US is a signatory and is legally bound to abide by in equally as binding degree as the US' Constitution, itself.

The fact that you can't discern the difference, only goes to illustrate your own stunted evolutionary progress.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/26/16 08:50 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
you have a serious flaw in your logic

feel free to prove that the 'tribes' would still be in possession of the land today

if you are unable to prove that then the 'tribes' should lose all financial assitance from the US taxpayers

The Flaw is Yours. Since YOU are the one making assertions which conflict with ALL available evidence to the contrary. crazy

Therefore, any burden of proof rests upon YOU.



Philosophic Burden of Proof:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 06/09/16 09:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Don't forget natural selection's part in it. Evolve or die.



natural selection must have occurred when the british lost

and who sided with the british?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 06/09/16 09:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
That's clearly NOT evolution... it's Genocide, as thoroughly described by all international agreements and treaties of which the US is a signatory and is legally bound to abide by in equally as binding degree as the US' Constitution, itself.


and what year did you bring a lawsuit for your 'claims'?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 06/09/16 09:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
The US government CHOSE to provide for their existence, and states in writing, PRECISELY that very FACT.


Originally Posted By: Timbo
Citations


and what 'treaty' involving the cayuga 'tribe' would that be?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 06/09/16 09:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Philosophic Burden of Proof:


Quote:
Obama Says No Apology For A-Bomb On Hiroshima Visit
• 4 days ago
US President Barack Obama has refused to apologise for the atomic bombing ... President Obama said he would not apolog…


and what happened to the cayuga 'tribe' again?

they moved to a different location
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 07/25/16 10:00 PM

Quote:


Cayuga proposal

Attorney Brian Laudadio wil update the Seneca County Board of Supervisors' Indian Affairs Committee on Cayuga Nation matters Tuesday.

a proposal floated by the Cayugas regarding tax payments. No details have been provided as yet.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 07/29/16 07:49 AM

Quote:
Taunton citizens group wins federal court case to stop casino; tribe expected to appeal


A U.S. District Court judge has sided with a group of Taunton citizens looking to block the construction of a casino planned in the city by the Mashpee Wampanoag Tribe, which is expected to appeal the decision.

The attorney representing the residents, Adam Bond, told The Enterprise that Judge William G. Young ruled that the federal government erred when it granted land in trust status for a Native American reservation in Taunton last year.
Federal law allows tribes to open casinos on reservations, and the Mashpee Wampanoag tribe began work on its planned $1 billion project in the spring.

Young ruled that the U.S. Department of Interior's interpretation of the Indian Reorganization Act, used to validate the land in trust status, goes against a proper reading of the law. Young cited the 2008 U.S. Supreme Court Carcieri v. Salazar to invalidate the decision to grand land in trust made by secretary of Interior. The Supreme Court decision ruled that the phrase "now under Federal jurisdiction" in the Indian Reorganization Act meant that only tribes federally recognized in 1934, when the U.S. law was passed, were eligible to get land into federal trust.

"In light of the Supreme Court’s interpretation of 'now under Federal jurisdiction' to mean under Federal jurisdiction in June 1934, the Secretary lacked the authority to acquire land in trust for the Mashpees, as they were not then under Federal jurisdiction," Young's ruling stated.


if 'tribal' members were given US citizenship in 1924 then how can they claim to be a 'tribe' in 1934?
Posted by: secure white guy

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 07/29/16 08:00 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone

if 'tribal' members were given US citizenship in 1924 then how can they claim to be a 'tribe' in 1934?



E-freakin'-gad.

Just how many times does this need to be explained to you??
shocked
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 07/29/16 08:10 AM


Ad nauseam, apparently.
Posted by: secure white guy

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 07/29/16 08:17 AM


Nauseating alright.

OCD IS treatable. Get a clue bz. Dang.
blush
Posted by: scwoodchuck

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 07/29/16 06:02 PM

Originally Posted By: secure white guy

Nauseating alright.

OCD IS treatable. Get a clue bz. Dang.
blush
You need to take your own advice, you're 2 peas in a pod crazy
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 07/29/16 07:30 PM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Quote:
Taunton citizens group wins federal court case to stop casino; tribe expected to appeal

A U.S. District Court judge has sided with a group of Taunton citizens looking to block the construction of a casino planned in the city by the Mashpee Wampanoag Tribe, which is expected to appeal the decision.

The attorney representing the residents, Adam Bond, told The Enterprise that Judge William G. Young ruled that the federal government erred when it granted land in trust status for a Native American reservation in Taunton last year.
Federal law allows tribes to open casinos on reservations, and the Mashpee Wampanoag tribe began work on its planned $1 billion project in the spring.

Young ruled that the U.S. Department of Interior's interpretation of the Indian Reorganization Act, used to validate the land in trust status, goes against a proper reading of the law. Young cited the 2008 U.S. Supreme Court Carcieri v. Salazar to invalidate the decision to grand land in trust made by secretary of Interior. The Supreme Court decision ruled that the phrase "now under Federal jurisdiction" in the Indian Reorganization Act meant that only tribes federally recognized in 1934, when the U.S. law was passed, were eligible to get land into federal trust.

"In light of the Supreme Court’s interpretation of 'now under Federal jurisdiction' to mean under Federal jurisdiction in June 1934, the Secretary lacked the authority to acquire land in trust for the Mashpees, as they were not then under Federal jurisdiction," Young's ruling stated.
if 'tribal' members were given US citizenship in 1924 then how can they claim to be a 'tribe' in 1934?
No one can serve two masters.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/09/16 11:16 PM

halftown wants to set up a PILOT agreement with the county
odd...

yet another example there are no FEDERAL 'reservations' in NYS

did he get inside information that his trust application may be rejected?
Posted by: scwoodchuck

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/10/16 06:25 AM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Quote:
Taunton citizens group wins federal court case to stop casino; tribe expected to appeal

A U.S. District Court judge has sided with a group of Taunton citizens looking to block the construction of a casino planned in the city by the Mashpee Wampanoag Tribe, which is expected to appeal the decision.

The attorney representing the residents, Adam Bond, told The Enterprise that Judge William G. Young ruled that the federal government erred when it granted land in trust status for a Native American reservation in Taunton last year.
Federal law allows tribes to open casinos on reservations, and the Mashpee Wampanoag tribe began work on its planned $1 billion project in the spring.

Young ruled that the U.S. Department of Interior's interpretation of the Indian Reorganization Act, used to validate the land in trust status, goes against a proper reading of the law. Young cited the 2008 U.S. Supreme Court Carcieri v. Salazar to invalidate the decision to grand land in trust made by secretary of Interior. The Supreme Court decision ruled that the phrase "now under Federal jurisdiction" in the Indian Reorganization Act meant that only tribes federally recognized in 1934, when the U.S. law was passed, were eligible to get land into federal trust.

"In light of the Supreme Court’s interpretation of 'now under Federal jurisdiction' to mean under Federal jurisdiction in June 1934, the Secretary lacked the authority to acquire land in trust for the Mashpees, as they were not then under Federal jurisdiction," Young's ruling stated.
if 'tribal' members were given US citizenship in 1924 then how can they claim to be a 'tribe' in 1934?
No one can serve two masters.
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Posted by: DR. D

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/10/16 08:56 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
halftown wants to set up a PILOT agreement with the county
odd...


Wait a second lets look at this outside the box...... How about they pay ALL the back taxes and we "consider" a PILOT
Posted by: Hello_Governer

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/10/16 09:31 AM

The Cayugas have always been willing to pay, as long as you don't call it taxes, but the politicians just can't grasp that fact.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/10/16 10:02 AM

Originally Posted By: DR. D
Originally Posted By: bluezone
halftown wants to set up a PILOT agreement with the county
odd...

Wait a second lets look at this outside the box...... How about they pay ALL the back taxes and we "consider" a PILOT

Pilot Projects are the probably the most revealing, inexpensive and democratic way to establish or disprove potential benefits to the community.

The Cayuga Nation Council is decidedly part of the community.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/10/16 11:22 AM

Originally Posted By: DR. D
Originally Posted By: bluezone
halftown wants to set up a PILOT agreement with the county
odd...


How about they pay ALL the back taxes


when one fails to pay the property taxes after a certain time period the county takes the property in a foreclosure process

clearly when halftown wants to pay a 'pilot' that would indicate that it is NOT a federal 'reservation' as he has falsely claimed in the past


all property taxes, all school taxes, all gas taxes, all income taxes, all cig taxes... would need to be paid

he applied for trust for those lands meaning no 'reservation'

the county would have won if the foreclosure case would have went in front of SCOTUS but harris beach 'forgot' to file the papers

odd that nozzolio has yet to speak out about harris beach not filing papers whistle

when the cayuga 'tribe' lost in front of SCOTUS with the foreclosure case then that would also put all of halbritters lands (25,000 acres) in jeopardy that are off the 32 acre 'reservation'
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/10/16 11:29 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
when one fails to pay the property taxes after a certain time period the county takes the property in a foreclosure process

Only when the county has the legal authority to do so. And since it has none, your point (if you can call it that) is moot.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/10/16 11:36 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
the county would have won if the foreclosure case would have went in front of SCOTUS but harris beach 'forgot' to file the papers

odd that nozzolio has yet to speak out about harris beach not filing papers

"WHEN" the cayuga 'tribe' lost in front of SCOTUS with the foreclosure case "THEN" that would also put all of halbritters lands (25,000 acres) in jeopardy that are off the 32 acre 'reservation'

And "IF" my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon. crazy
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/10/16 11:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
when one fails to pay the property taxes after a certain time period the county takes the property in a foreclosure process

Only when the county has the legal authority to do so.


just checked google maps
no federal 'reservation' in NYS wink

Quote:
Court sides with Sherrill
Supreme Court justices rule 8-1
Oneida Nation must pay tax to city
Wed, Mar 30, 2005
R. PATRICK CORBETT Observer-Dispatch

The Oneida Indian Nation must pay taxes on its property in the city of Sherrill and potentially on all land it has bought outside of its 32-acre reservation in Madison County, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Tuesday . In an 8-1 decision, the court ruled that the New York Oneidas cannot disrupt two centuries of local development by refusing to pay local taxes on a gas station and T-shirt factory it owns in Sherrill in Oneida County. New York City lawyer Ira Sacks, who pleaded Sherrill's case pro bono, said, "We were very pleased. The Supreme Court agreed with the principal argument that after 200 years ... the Oneida Indian Nation can't pick and choose places to buy and take it out of local jurisdiction." The justices also remarked on the "distinctly non-Indian character of the area and its inhabitants," because most Oneida Indians moved out of the area about 150 years ago.




In its legal arguments, the Seneca Nation "expressly acknowledges that, as a general principle, New York State has the authority to require reservation retailers to collect excise taxes on sales to non-Indians," Arcara wrote.

Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/10/16 12:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
when one fails to pay the property taxes after a certain time period the county takes the property in a foreclosure process

Only when the county has the legal authority to do so.


then why would halftown want a pilot from the county?

must be by your logic the county lacks the authority to do so...

keep running in circles
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/10/16 12:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
the county would have won if the foreclosure case would have went in front of SCOTUS but harris beach 'forgot' to file the papers

odd that nozzolio has yet to speak out about harris beach not filing papers

"WHEN" the cayuga 'tribe' lost in front of SCOTUS with the foreclosure case "THEN" that would also put all of halbritters lands (25,000 acres) in jeopardy that are off the 32 acre 'reservation'

And "IF" my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon. crazy



by your warped logic

must be the reason the SCOTUS accepted the cayuga foreclosure case was to 'rubber stamp' the previous ruling...

yawn
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/10/16 12:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
The Cayuga Nation Council is decidedly part of the community.


provide as many
Originally Posted By: Timbo
citations
as possible to prove that statement
Posted by: Hello_Governer

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/10/16 12:41 PM

So what's this mean, "outside of its 32-acre reservation " ?

"In its legal arguments, the Seneca Nation "expressly acknowledges that, as a general principle, New York State has the authority to require reservation retailers to collect excise taxes on sales to non-Indians," and the Tribes said if you do, we will not give you any money from our casinos. what happened ? No sales tax is collected. grin
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/10/16 12:54 PM


And as BZ (and others) keep continually and conveniently forgetting... it's irrelevant what the courts decide. There is absolutely NO state or federal mechanism in place to collect such moneys. ZERO.

It's absolutely unenforceable. whistle
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/10/16 01:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
it's irrelevant what the courts decide.


are you saying that there should be no charges for the 'tribal' members that caused damage to halftowns items?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/10/16 01:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Hello_Governer
and the Tribes said if you do, we will not give you any money from our casinos.


why is NYS paid money from the casinos?
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/10/16 01:19 PM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
it's irrelevant what the courts decide.

are you saying that there should be no charges for the 'tribal' members that caused damage to halftowns items?

NO. I'm saying... "It's absolutely unenforceable."
Posted by: Hello_Governer

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/10/16 01:25 PM

So Cuomo could retire in luxury grin
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/10/16 02:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
it's irrelevant what the courts decide.

are you saying that there should be no charges for the 'tribal' members that caused damage to halftowns items?

NO. I'm saying... "It's absolutely unenforceable."


name the federal 'reservations' in NYS that appear on the 2016 google maps
Posted by: scwoodchuck

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/10/16 02:26 PM

The following list of reservations has been compiled from the National Atlas of the United States of America[5], the Omni Gazetteer of the United States of America[6], and other sources. Those reservations named in bold are current federally-recognized reservations, with their associated agency and tribe(s). Others have historically been associated with the state or are not currently recognized by the federal government.

Akwesasne Reservation:
Allegany Reservation: State, under jurisdiction _______ Tribe: Seneca
Buffalo Creek Reservation:
Cattaraugus Reservation: State, under jurisdiction of ______ Office Tribe: Seneca
Cayuga Nation: under jurisdiction of New York Liaison Office, Tribe: ______
Erie Reservation:
Oil Springs Reservation:
[[Reservation: Oneida Tribes: Oneida Acres: 350 Established by: Treaty of Nov. 11, 1794 (VII, 44); arrangement with the State of New York. (See Ind. Aff. Rep. for 1877. 168.)
Oneida Indian Reservation: Oneida Tribes: Oneida, Onondaga, St. Regis Acres: 6,100 Established by: Treaty and arrangement with the State of New York November 11, 1794.Oneida Reservation:
Onondaga Reservation:
Poosepatuck Reservation: , , Tribe: Poosepatuck Established 1666
[7]
Seneca Nation: State, under jurisdiction of New York Liaison Office: Tribe: Seneca
Shinnecock Reservation: State, under jurisdiction of ______ Tribe: Shinnecock
St. Regis Reservation: under jurisdiction of New York Liaison Office, Tribe: Mohawk

Tonawanda Reservation: under jurisdiction of New York Liaison Office, Tribe: Tonawanda Band of Seneca
Tuscarora Reservation: under jurisdiction of New York Liaison Office, Tribe:______

Collections
Hoopes American Indian Collection, 1850-1969. New

https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Indians_of_New_York
For a current reservation map - New York - Indian Reservations - The National Atlas of the United States of America. Federal Lands
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/10/16 03:59 PM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
it's irrelevant what the courts decide.

are you saying that there should be no charges for the 'tribal' members that caused damage to halftowns items?

NO. I'm saying... "It's absolutely unenforceable."

name the federal 'reservations' in NYS that appear on the 2016 google maps

Federal or not, it changes nothing.
Posted by: Rich_Tallcot

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/15/16 09:24 PM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
halftown wants to set up a PILOT agreement with the county
odd...

yet another example there are no FEDERAL 'reservations' in NYS

did he get inside information that his trust application may be rejected?

BECAUSE a pilot or ANY agreement with local governments greatly enhance the odds of getting trust land applications approved. But at present there are no federally recognized representatives. IF Halfwit could con the county into making an agreement with him, it may also sway the feds into recognizing him as the leader.

The MULTIPLE problems with a pilot agreement are that to be enforceable 1 they have to be approved by the BIA; 2. they have to be approved by the “legitimate” tribal government (of which there is none); and 3. the tribe has to waive it's sovereign immunity for the purposes of enforcing it. If ALL three are not done, the tribe can stop payment at any time with no way to enforce any agreement.

Meanwhile, Halfwit would likely become the federal representative and the feds would likely approve the trust land application. For the handful of cash you initially got, you'd end up being out millions more than whatever you got paid even if they did initially pay up all the back taxes. PLUS, if it were granted trust land status then the pilot no longer applies.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/15/16 10:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: bluezone
halftown wants to set up a PILOT agreement with the county
odd...

yet another example there are no FEDERAL 'reservations' in NYS

did he get inside information that his trust application may be rejected?

BECAUSE a pilot or ANY agreement with local governments greatly enhance the odds of getting trust land applications approved.

Of course it does, because it forces the introduction of incontrovertible facts that can't be disputed with the typical "FUD" (fear, uncertainty and doubt) so religiously bandied-about by the usual list of anti-Indian bigots. And that would just burn your [their] britches, wouldn't it? crazy
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/16/16 09:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Meanwhile, Halfwit would likely become the federal representative and the feds would likely approve the trust land application. For the handful of cash you initially got, you'd end up being out millions more than whatever you got paid even if they did initially pay up all the back taxes. PLUS, if it were granted trust land status then the pilot no longer applies.


the fact that there is a trust application would have proven to SCOTUS that it is NOT 'reservation' land and the 'tribe' would have lost their foreclosure case

the county would have got all the land back

nozzolio still has not spoken out as to why harris beach 'forgot' to file papers with scotus
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/16/16 10:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
it forces the introduction of incontrovertible facts


have you given your land back yet?

yawn...
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/16/16 10:45 PM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Meanwhile, Halfwit would likely become the federal representative and the feds would likely approve the trust land application. For the handful of cash you initially got, you'd end up being out millions more than whatever you got paid even if they did initially pay up all the back taxes. PLUS, if it were granted trust land status then the pilot no longer applies.

the county would have got all the land back

Uhhhh... No.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/16/16 11:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Meanwhile, Halfwit would likely become the federal representative and the feds would likely approve the trust land application. For the handful of cash you initially got, you'd end up being out millions more than whatever you got paid even if they did initially pay up all the back taxes. PLUS, if it were granted trust land status then the pilot no longer applies.

the county would have got all the land back

Uhhhh... No.


Uhhhh... YES

Quote:
Court sides with Sherrill
Supreme Court justices rule 8-1
Oneida Nation must pay tax to city
Wed, Mar 30, 2005
R. PATRICK CORBETT Observer-Dispatch

The Oneida Indian Nation must pay taxes on its property in the city of Sherrill and potentially on all land it has bought outside of its 32-acre reservation in Madison County, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Tuesday . In an 8-1 decision, the court ruled that the New York Oneidas cannot disrupt two centuries of local development by refusing to pay local taxes on a gas station and T-shirt factory it owns in Sherrill in Oneida County. New York City lawyer Ira Sacks, who pleaded Sherrill's case pro bono, said, "We were very pleased. The Supreme Court agreed with the principal argument that after 200 years ... the Oneida Indian Nation can't pick and choose places to buy and take it out of local jurisdiction." The justices also remarked on the "distinctly non-Indian character of the area and its inhabitants," because most Oneida Indians moved out of the area about 150 years ago.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/17/16 12:00 AM


LOL! You think you're going to like how this plays out?

You won't. smirk
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/19/16 07:38 PM

http://fingerlakes1.com/2016/08/19/one-operator-of-smoke-shop-at-finger-lakes-drive-in-arrested/

In a story that seems to be getting odder by the day, one man has been taken into custody for violating probation, who was operating the smoke shop at the Finger Lakes Drive-In.

The Town of Aurelius is taking legal action against the drive-in, as well as the individual who was arrested. Dustin “Dusty” Parker was apprehended at his probation check-in Thursday night.

The 29-year-old opened a drive-thru shop that was selling cigarettes, which first launched in August. The shop opened after an interesting sale took place, which moved 1.19-acres of the drive-in property to two members of the Cayuga Nation, who have been operating the makeshift store.

Parker is currently being held at the Seneca County Jail without bail, according to authorities at the Sheriff’s Office.

Aurelius is also pursuing legal action against Parker for various zoning violations at the location. However, Jason Silversmith, the second member of the two-man-cigarette-shop team says that the claims are baseless given that the Cayuga Nation only answers to the federal government.

The Finger Lakes Drive-In will also be facing some legal trouble of their own, after the DEC was brought in to look at wetlands, which were illegally cleared behind the theater. Additionally, officials in Aurelius have also said that operators of the theater tried to burn trees on the property with diesel fuel — something the DEC frowns upon.

According to the now sole-operator of the smoke shop, business has been getting heavier as the days and weeks have progressed since opening. While the details of the sale are peculiar, to say the least, officials in Aurelius are concerned about preventing a confrontation — like the one that took place a few years ago in Union Springs as division remains a major problem within the Cayuga Nation leadership.

FingerLakes1.com will have more on this story as it develops.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/19/16 07:42 PM

God. How many more centuries is it going to take to resolve this?

Originally Posted By: kyle585
http://fingerlakes1.com/2016/08/19/one-operator-of-smoke-shop-at-finger-lakes-drive-in-arrested/

Aurelius is also pursuing legal action against Parker for various zoning violations at the location. However, Jason Silversmith, the second member of the two-man-cigarette-shop team says that the claims are baseless given that the Cayuga Nation only answers to the federal government.
Posted by: scwoodchuck

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/19/16 08:06 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
God. How many more centuries is it going to take to resolve this?

How many centuries do you intend to live ? For most normal people it's already over. crazy
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/20/16 02:06 AM

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: kyle585
God. How many more centuries is it going to take to resolve this?

How many centuries do you intend to live ? For most normal people it's already over. crazy
Oh it is? Then how come it is in the news and the courts all the time?
Posted by: scwoodchuck

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/20/16 09:05 AM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: kyle585
God. How many more centuries is it going to take to resolve this?

How many centuries do you intend to live ? For most normal people it's already over. crazy
Oh it is? Then how come it is in the news and the courts all the time?
Because this is America and the greedy lawyers need to make a ton of money and most politicians are lawyers. Almost everything goes to court these days grin
Posted by: Rich_Tallcot

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/20/16 10:09 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Meanwhile, Halfwit would likely become the federal representative and the feds would likely approve the trust land application. For the handful of cash you initially got, you'd end up being out millions more than whatever you got paid even if they did initially pay up all the back taxes. PLUS, if it were granted trust land status then the pilot no longer applies.

the county would have got all the land back

Uhhhh... No.


Uhhhh... YES

Quote:
Court sides with Sherrill
Supreme Court justices rule 8-1
Oneida Nation must pay tax to city
Wed, Mar 30, 2005
R. PATRICK CORBETT Observer-Dispatch

The Oneida Indian Nation must pay taxes on its property in the city of Sherrill and potentially on all land it has bought outside of its 32-acre reservation in Madison County, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Tuesday . In an 8-1 decision, the court ruled that the New York Oneidas cannot disrupt two centuries of local development by refusing to pay local taxes on a gas station and T-shirt factory it owns in Sherrill in Oneida County. New York City lawyer Ira Sacks, who pleaded Sherrill's case pro bono, said, "We were very pleased. The Supreme Court agreed with the principal argument that after 200 years ... the Oneida Indian Nation can't pick and choose places to buy and take it out of local jurisdiction." The justices also remarked on the "distinctly non-Indian character of the area and its inhabitants," because most Oneida Indians moved out of the area about 150 years ago.

Uhh YES.

Halbritter is noted for his alleged bribes, which can't be proven in court, and allegedly bought off the Governor's office to give him 23,000 acres and more, and at the request of tribes nationwide he pulled the totally unprecedented move of dropping the tribe's sovereign immunity after SCOTUS accepted their foreclosure case to prevent SCOTUS from ruling on sovereign immunity. My bet is that Harris Beach got paid more than they would have made if they had followed through with the SCOTUS appeal.

It wouldn't even make sense to bribe their printer not to file on time but that is a possibility.

Unfortunately, even if Harris Beach is found guilty of malpractice, it won't undo the damage they did.

The best hope the county has on that is for CERA to win their lawsuit against the Oneida trust applications. We expect to lose at the Second Circuit and it will be next year before SCOTUS gets the appeal.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/20/16 10:37 AM


Pure FUD.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/20/16 11:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo

Pure FUD.
Following your advice, I goggled it.

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FUD
fəd/
noun
noun: FUD; plural noun: FUDs

fear, uncertainty and doubt, usually evoked intentionally in order to put a competitor at a disadvantage.
"the FUD factor"
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/20/16 11:58 AM


See... all the answers at the tips of your fingers. smile

Posted by: Rich_Tallcot

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/20/16 11:49 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: kyle585
God. How many more centuries is it going to take to resolve this?

How many centuries do you intend to live ? For most normal people it's already over. crazy
Oh it is? Then how come it is in the news and the courts all the time?

That depends on what you mean by “this”. If NYS would pass the law requiring tribes to have sovereignty over the land to call it a reservation; sales tax laws would be enforceable in Seneca & Cayuga Counties.

Furthermore, those arrested had no authority to purchase land in the tribe's name and basically they and the drive-in owner broke the law. It's going to be in the news.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/21/16 03:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
If NYS would pass the law requirig tribes to have sovereignty over the land to call it a reservation; sales tax laws would be enforceable in Seneca & Cayuga Counties.
Ya but would the state enforce the law in this case? It is my understanding they are already on firm legal ground to collect the sales tax but they don't do it. And the tribes just thumb up their nose at them. And the state does nothing in response.
Posted by: Rich_Tallcot

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/22/16 06:49 AM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
If NYS would pass the law requirig tribes to have sovereignty over the land to call it a reservation; sales tax laws would be enforceable in Seneca & Cayuga Counties.
Ya but would the state enforce the law in this case? It is my understanding they are already on firm legal ground to collect the sales tax but they don't do it. And the tribes just thumb up their nose at them. And the state does nothing in response.

The reason we lost the sales tax law case was because in the tax law the state changed the definition of a reservation from listing the reservations to defining one as any land that a tribe owns.

We know from Sherrill that a tribe can't claim sovereignty over land through mere purchase and Nozzolio, Kolb & Finch introduced a bill which would require sovereignty over the land to be a reservation, but to my knowledge I don't think it was ever voted on.

Key legislators in both parties have since been arrested for taking bribes and very likely many did not get caught. But if that law were changed, the counties could enforce the law like they attempted to do the last time.

I think the DA's in both counties would do it again IF the law were changed.

I doubt that the State will enforce the law even though they were enforcing it on Long Island before the raids in Seneca & Cayuga counties.

The feds enforced the law against the Seneca-Cayuga because they are under federal jurisdiction and organized under the 1934 Indian Reorganization Act. The rest are all State tribes and recognized as tribes by the feds, but not under federal jurisdiction.

Yes, the State HAS the authority NOW to collect on all reservations but stopped attempting to do so years ago when the tribes rioted.
Posted by: secure white guy

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/22/16 07:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
...rioted.

Correction 'Patches'. Righteous RESISTANCE.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/23/16 08:14 AM

Quote:

In a story that seems to be getting odder by the day, one man has been taken into custody for violating probation, who was operating the smoke shop at the Finger Lakes Drive-In.

The Town of Aurelius is taking legal action against the drive-in, as well as the individual who was arrested. Dustin “Dusty” Parker was apprehended at his probation check-in Thursday night.



maybe timbo can explain if the probation check-in was at a 'tribal' law agency or a county law agency?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/23/16 08:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
If NYS would pass the law requirig tribes to have sovereignty over the land to call it a reservation; sales tax laws would be enforceable in Seneca & Cayuga Counties.
Ya but would the state enforce the law in this case? It is my understanding they are already on firm legal ground to collect the sales tax but they don't do it. And the tribes just thumb up their nose at them. And the state does nothing in response.

The reason we lost the sales tax law case was because in the tax law the state changed the definition of a reservation from listing the reservations to defining one as any land that a tribe owns.


you challenge the wording of the law as it relates to how a 'tribe' is determined

if it is not clearly defined then the law should be void and taxes can be collected from the 'tribes'
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/23/16 09:04 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Quote:

In a story that seems to be getting odder by the day, one man has been taken into custody for violating probation, who was operating the smoke shop at the Finger Lakes Drive-In.

The Town of Aurelius is taking legal action against the drive-in, as well as the individual who was arrested. Dustin “Dusty” Parker was apprehended at his probation check-in Thursday night.
maybe timbo can explain if the probation check-in was at a 'tribal' law agency or a county law agency?
Good point. It is amazing how some US laws apply to them but not all.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/24/16 06:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Meanwhile, Halfwit would likely become the federal representative and the feds would likely approve the trust land application. For the handful of cash you initially got, you'd end up being out millions more than whatever you got paid even if they did initially pay up all the back taxes. PLUS, if it were granted trust land status then the pilot no longer applies.

the county would have got all the land back

Uhhhh... No.


Uhhhh....

the land was given to the soldiers for DEFEATING the british

are you suggesting your navy benefits be taken away?

the 'tribe' paid the taxes when they purchased the property - meaning NO 'reservation'

SCOTUS ruled that a 'tribe' can not buy land and call it a 'reservation'

the 'tribe' has applied for trust - meaning NO 'reservation'

the 'tribe' now wants a PILOT - meaning NO 'reservation'

where is it written in the Constitution that a US citizen can be a seperate 'nation'?
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/24/16 08:29 AM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
It is amazing how some US laws apply to them but not all.

Not in the LEAST.

That's the way the Federal Government has orchestrated it's illegal control over the indigenous peoples of the continent. Constitutional law, English Jurisprudence and the UN Charter all specifically forbid such treatment of national sovereigns. By rendering such legal chicaneries of those you refer to, the US government creates a legal gray area, in which to sidestep it own laws, treaties and compacts. Remember, Congress illegally rescinded their status of full-sovereignty in order to get around those legal prohibitions.

If you want your despicable, racist dominance over the rightful heirs of this land, then you're stuck with such utterly unenforceable half-laws. The UN understands your vile game and the political left is finally coming around to set things right, as is plainly obvious with recent policy advancements under the Obama administration.

Poor, suffering colonialist. My heart bleeds for you.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/24/16 10:24 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Poor, suffering colonialist. My heart bleeds for you.
You are a colonialist too right? So your heart bleeds for yourself?
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/24/16 10:35 AM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Poor, suffering colonialist. My heart bleeds for you.
You are a colonialist too right?

Decidedly NOT.

But at least you understand that you can't argue about the manipulative, duplicitous, illegal nature of the US' dealings with Native Americans.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/24/16 06:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Poor, suffering colonialist. My heart bleeds for you.
You are a colonialist too right?
Decidedly NOT.

But at least you understand that you can't argue about the manipulative, duplicitous, illegal nature of the US' dealings with Native Americans.
Really? You aren't a colonialist and not a Native American? Then what are you?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/25/16 08:33 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
plainly obvious with recent policy advancements under the Obama administration.


and what would those be?
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/25/16 09:18 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
plainly obvious with recent policy advancements under the Obama administration.

and what would those be?

If you're not preoccupied, you may feel free to look it up for yourself.



It should take any sincerely curious person less than five seconds.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/25/16 09:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
plainly obvious with recent policy advancements under the Obama administration.

and what would those be?

If you're not preoccupied


and what recent policy advancements did obama bring forth?
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/25/16 09:52 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
the political left is finally coming around to set things right, as is plainly obvious with recent policy advancements under the Obama administration.
and what would those be?
If you're not preoccupied, you may feel free to look it up for yourself.

It should take any sincerely curious person less than five seconds.
and what recent policy advancements did obama bring forth?

MORE Answers that shall remain forever a mystery to the willfully ignorant and pathologically lazy among us.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/25/16 10:28 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
]MORE Answers that shall remain forever a mystery to the willfully ignorant and pathologically lazy among us.


translation

U got nuthing...
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/25/16 10:33 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Poor, suffering colonialist.


Originally Posted By: Timbo
I was nicknamed "WEAPS" for a very good reason.


you able to point out your own contradicts?

keep running in circles...
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/25/16 10:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
It should take any sincerely curious person less than five seconds.
five seconds? LOL You tried to send me on a lot of wild goose chases too until I got wise to you.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/25/16 10:50 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
MORE Answers that shall remain forever a mystery to the willfully ignorant and pathologically lazy among us.
translation[:] U got nuthin'...

I "got" a fully comprehensive list detailing MULTIPLE Executive Orders and Legislative Acts, Settled Laws AND Discrimination Rulings, Public Statements and Apologies, Six Separate Conferences, New Educational Partnerships And Presidential Vetos, all right here in front of me, on ONE page from the first hit, of ONE Google search.

So don't tell ME that I "GOT" Nothin'.

You're a dreadful bore, Schlitzie.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/25/16 10:51 AM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
It should take any sincerely curious person less than five seconds.
five seconds? LOL You tried to send me on a lot of wild goose chases too until I got wise to you.

No, you simply smashed headlong into your own personal wall of limitations.

Kinda sad, actually. frown
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/25/16 10:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
MORE Answers that shall remain forever a mystery to the willfully ignorant and pathologically lazy among us.
translation[:] U got nuthin'...
I "got" a fully comprehensive list of MULTIPLE Executive Orders and Legislative Acts, Settled Laws AND Discrimination Rulings, Public Statements and Apologies, Six Separate Conferences, New Educational Partnerships And Presidential Vetos, all right here in front of me, on ONE page from the first hit, of ONE Google search.

So don't tell ME that I "GOT" Nothin'.

You're a dreadful bore, Schlitzie.
And you can't post any of it? BS
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/25/16 11:00 AM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
MORE Answers that shall remain forever a mystery to the willfully ignorant and pathologically lazy among us.
translation[:] U got nuthin'...
I "got" a fully comprehensive list of MULTIPLE Executive Orders and Legislative Acts, Settled Laws AND Discrimination Rulings, Public Statements and Apologies, Six Separate Conferences, New Educational Partnerships And Presidential Vetos, all right here in front of me, on ONE page from the first hit, of ONE Google search.

So don't tell ME that I "GOT" Nothin'.

You're a dreadful bore, Schlitzie.
And you can't post any of it? BS

Sure I can...

I merely refuse to reward lazy, childish, disingenuous willful ignorance. Exactly like an ill-behaved brat, you're completely intransigent.

Simply put... you haven't earned my favors.


Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/25/16 11:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
I "got" a fully comprehensive list describing MULTIPLE Executive Orders and Legislative Acts, Settled Laws AND Discrimination Rulings, Public Statements and Apologies, Six Separate Conferences, New Educational Partnerships And Presidential Vetos, all right here in front of me



yawn...

Originally Posted By: Timbo
citations
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/25/16 11:06 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
I "got" a fully comprehensive list describing MULTIPLE Executive Orders and Legislative Acts, Settled Laws AND Discrimination Rulings, Public Statements and Apologies, Six Separate Conferences, New Educational Partnerships And Presidential Vetos, all right here in front of me

yawn...

Need a nap? That's what happens when you stay up all night, crying and being "fussy".
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/25/16 11:24 AM

Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
If NYS would pass the law requiring tribes to have sovereignty over the land to call it a reservation; sales tax laws would be enforceable in Seneca & Cayuga Counties.

The states have ZERO legal authority to do so.

Federal law explicitly prevents that.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/26/16 06:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
If NYS would pass the law requiring tribes to have sovereignty over the land to call it a reservation; sales tax laws would be enforceable in Seneca & Cayuga Counties.

The states have ZERO legal authority to do so.


better tell halftown to call obama about the PILOT he wants from the county... whistle

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Federal law explicitly prevents that.


Quote:
In its legal arguments, the Seneca Nation "expressly acknowledges that, as a general principle, New York State has the authority to require reservation retailers to collect excise taxes on sales to non-Indians," Arcara wrote.


Quote:
Court sides with Sherrill
Supreme Court justices rule 8-1
Oneida Nation must pay tax to city
Wed, Mar 30, 2005
R. PATRICK CORBETT Observer-Dispatch

The Oneida Indian Nation must pay taxes on its property in the city of Sherrill and potentially on all land it has bought outside of its 32-acre reservation in Madison County, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Tuesday . In an 8-1 decision, the court ruled that the New York Oneidas cannot disrupt two centuries of local development by refusing to pay local taxes on a gas station and T-shirt factory it owns in Sherrill in Oneida County. New York City lawyer Ira Sacks, who pleaded Sherrill's case pro bono, said, "We were very pleased. The Supreme Court agreed with the principal argument that after 200 years ... the Oneida Indian Nation can't pick and choose places to buy and take it out of local jurisdiction." The justices also remarked on the "distinctly non-Indian character of the area and its inhabitants," because most Oneida Indians moved out of the area about 150 years ago.


Federal Law
Posted by: Rich_Tallcot

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/29/16 07:24 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
If NYS would pass the law requiring tribes to have sovereignty over the land to call it a reservation; sales tax laws would be enforceable in Seneca & Cayuga Counties.

The states have ZERO legal authority to do so.

Federal law explicitly prevents that.

State law defines a state reservation and the Cayuga have none. Federal law only applies to reservations.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/29/16 08:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
If NYS would pass the law requiring tribes to have sovereignty over the land to call it a reservation; sales tax laws would be enforceable in Seneca & Cayuga Counties.

The states have ZERO legal authority to do so.

Federal law explicitly prevents that.

State law defines a state reservation and the Cayuga have none. Federal law only applies to reservations.

And as is repeatedly pointed out out, There is NO mechanism in place, in which to enforce tax payment. None, Zero, Zilch. Not now, not upon the state playing games of litigation, not ever. Any such power rests solely with the Federal Government. And even then, it would be almost impossible to legally justify, even under rules of commerce.

That's what happens when you violently force into submission, a whole "racial" class of natives as "protected" wards, while at the same time, trying to shirk the responsibility of governorship.

Hell, UCE can't even come up with sound estimates of facts relating to the issue of the Cayuga land claims, why should your assessments be any different?

"In the 205 years the Cayuga Indians have been paid 1.63 million dollars. Factoring reasonable interest and inflation these payments have a current equivalent value somewhere between 150 million - 1 billion dollars."
Posted by: DR. D

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/29/16 08:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo

That's what happens when you violently force into submission, a whole "racial" class....


Extremely true
Posted by: Rich_Tallcot

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/29/16 10:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
If NYS would pass the law requiring tribes to have sovereignty over the land to call it a reservation; sales tax laws would be enforceable in Seneca & Cayuga Counties.

The states have ZERO legal authority to do so.

Federal law explicitly prevents that.

State law defines a state reservation and the Cayuga have none. Federal law only applies to reservations.

And as is repeatedly pointed out out, There is NO mechanism in place, in which to enforce tax payment. None, Zero, Zilch. Not now, not upon the state playing games of litigation, not ever. Any such power rests solely with the Federal Government. And even then, it would be almost impossible to legally justify, even under rules of commerce.

That's what happens when you violently force into submission, a whole "racial" class of natives as "protected" wards, while at the same time, trying to shirk the responsibility of governorship.

Hell, UCE can't even come up with sound estimates of facts relating to the issue of the Cayuga land claims, why should your assessments be any different?

"In the 205 years the Cayuga Indians have been paid 1.63 million dollars. Factoring reasonable interest and inflation these payments have a current equivalent value somewhere between 150 million - 1 billion dollars."

And what was the mechanism the feds used to shut down the Seneca-Cayuga? McCurn ruled they had as much claim as the NY Cayuga. So being an out of state tribe wasn't it.

Yes there are legal ways to collect taxes on all reservations but the state backed off when tribes rioted.

If the state tax law were changed to requiring sovereignty over the land, as I noted before, the Cayuga could legally be required to remit taxes or be shut down. Coupons need not be distributed to enforce it because it would not be a reservation. Under present state tax law, a reservation is defined as any land a tribe owns.

It has nothing to do with race. Non-tribal Indians pay taxes all the time.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/29/16 11:29 AM

Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
It has nothing to do with race. Non-tribal Indians pay taxes all the time.

It has EVERYTHING to do with race, as any visit to the websites of CERA/CERF/UCE will clearly demonstrate to any intellectually honest individual.

I've NEVER seen a federal (or state) recognized (or otherwise) reservation or tribe of non-Native Americans... and neither has anyone else. Nor have ANY other "ethnic" group been deemed a Ward of Federal Governance.
Posted by: secure white guy

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/29/16 12:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
It has nothing to do with race. Non-tribal Indians pay taxes all the time.

It has EVERYTHING to do with race, as any visit to the websites of CERA/CERF/UCE will clearly demonstrate to any intellectually honest individual.

Everything...

"By regaining control over small tracts of their land, Haudenosaunee people are regaining political power. For some people, call them what you will, this is unacceptable.

Indians can live under U.S. domination, but not as sovereign equals maintaining their own culture and laws. Hence, in the villages of Union Springs and Cayuga, New York, on the shores of Cayuga Lake, in Cayuga County, we now have an all-white group of people, the “Upstate Citizens for Equality,” who have formed to oppose a sovereign Cayuga presence. In essence, what UCE is doing, is struggling to maintain is their own political advantage
over the people who historically controlled the land UCE members now claim as their own.

Recently, UCE branched out to form a Western New York (Buffalo) chapter to join forces with anti-casino activists – in effect attempting to co-opt the anti-gaming forces into the anti-sovereignty movement. A month ago I wrote a column for Buffalo’s weekly ArtVoice, “Anti-Casino or Anti-Indian,” to ask the question, “when do well intentioned activists cross the line to racism?” Last week, Joel Rose, a leader of Buffalo’s anti-casino movement, responded to that column, writing a letter arguing, “We are not racists: I have never uttered a racist word or expression.” Rose went on to defend UCE, arguing, “UCE has based its position on the distinctly non-racist notion that we should all be playing by the same rules.” The problem with this argument is that the rules UCE argues we all have to play by aren’t mutually agreed upon – they are the rules that White society imposed on the Haudenosaunee during the Sullivan Campaign. In his letter, Rose goes on to describe Haudenosaunee territory as “islands of sovereignty
in the middle of a modern nation.” Now, while Rose isn’t donning a hood or shouting epithets, he is arguing the notion that Indians who live in the here and now are somehow not part of the modern world, and that hence,they have to play by rules that a so-called modern nation imposes upon them. This is the same rhetorical argument white society used to justify genocide and ethnocide gainst supposed “savage,” “primitive” or “uncivilized” Indian nations in the 17 the and 18th centuries. What UCE and Rose are arguing for is not equality – it’s the maintenance of a power dynamic that privileges non-natives at the cost of disempowering native nations. And of course, Roses statement begs the question, if Indians are not a modern nation, then what exactly is Rose saying they are? And if this assumption justifies their disempowerment,then is it racist?"

Will our Indian wars never end?
http://www.coldtype.net/Assets.06/Niman.06/Niman.17.06.pdf
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/30/16 02:00 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
I've NEVER seen a federal (or state) recognized (or otherwise) reservation or tribe of non-Native Americans... and neither has anyone else.


you mean there are not any british 'reservations' in the USA?

Quote:
Originally Posted By: Timbo
CHEROKEES and CREEKS (among others TRIBES) in the southern interior and most Iroquois nations in the northern interior provided crucial support to the British war effort. With remarkably few exceptions, Native American support for the British was close to universal.



Originally Posted By: Timbo

The MOHAWK chief THAYENDANEGEA (known to Anglo-Americans as JOSEPH BRANT) was the most important Iroquois leader in the Revolutionary Era. He convinced four of the six Iroquois nations to join him in an alliance with the British and was instrumental in leading combined Indian, British, and Loyalist forces on punishing raids in western New York and Pennsylvania in 1778 and 1779.


Originally Posted By: Timbo

Most fought with the British, but all lost in the Peace which followed. The Preliminary Articles of Peace of 1782 did not mention the Native Americans at all. Brant was outraged that the British were selling out the tribes.The British failed to set aside areas which were promised by Treaties they had made with the tribes.





Originally Posted By: Timbo
Nor have ANY other "ethnic" group been deemed a Ward of Federal Governance.


how is that US citizenship working for ya?

Originally Posted By: Timbo
You can't have it both ways
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/30/16 02:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
UCE can't even come up with sound estimates of facts relating to the issue of the Cayuga land claims


land claim?

did the cayuga side with the british?

the british LOST

when will the british bring forth a 'land claim'?
crazy
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/30/16 02:22 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
"In the 205 years the Cayuga Indians have been paid 1.63 million dollars. Factoring reasonable interest and inflation these payments have a current equivalent value somewhere between 150 million - 1 billion dollars."


$150,000,000 / 64,000 acres = $2343.75 per acre

$1,000,000,000 / 64,000 acres = $15625 per acre

the depot just sold for about $100 per acre

what are you complaining about?

ring up the queen with your concerns...
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/30/16 02:34 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
It has EVERYTHING to do with race

I've NEVER seen a federal (or state) recognized (or otherwise) reservation or tribe of non-Native Americans... and neither has anyone else. Nor have ANY other "ethnic" group been deemed a Ward of Federal Governance.


are you not able to see your own contradiction in your own post?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/30/16 02:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
the Cayuga land claims


"In the 205 years the Cayuga Indians have been paid 1.63 million dollars. Factoring reasonable interest and inflation these payments have a current equivalent value somewhere between 150 million - 1 billion dollars."

[/quote]

explain how the cayuga 'tribe' can have a 'land claim' when you pointed out they have been paid for the land?

the USA did not have pay them any money as the land came from defeating the british as you pointed out in your prior posts
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/30/16 03:52 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
the Cayuga land claims

"In the 205 years the Cayuga Indians have been paid 1.63 million dollars. Factoring reasonable interest and inflation these payments have a current equivalent value somewhere between 150 million - 1 billion dollars."

explain how the cayuga 'tribe' can have a 'land claim' when you pointed out they have been paid for the land?
A good point.
Posted by: Rich_Tallcot

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/30/16 06:55 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
It has nothing to do with race. Non-tribal Indians pay taxes all the time.

It has EVERYTHING to do with race, as any visit to the websites of CERA/CERF/UCE will clearly demonstrate to any intellectually honest individual.

I've NEVER seen a federal (or state) recognized (or otherwise) reservation or tribe of non-Native Americans... and neither has anyone else. Nor have ANY other "ethnic" group been deemed a Ward of Federal Governance.


There ya go, the key word is tribe. As a tribe, which has political governance over it's members, the feds establish a political a government to government recognition.

It is true that Indians are the key as “federal instrumentalities” to be used in stealing natural resources and lands for the feds. But ONLY as a tribal government. Non-tribal Indians pay taxes all the time.

I know you go by the one drop of Indian blood rule claiming all with such are Indians. But the feds only made treaties with those of 50% blood quantum. As such, individuals have been granted tribal status who in turn set the requirements for their own members.

The Buena Vista tribe in California started with only one member. Then she cut a deal for a casino. There were no relatives with more than 50% blood quantum so she eliminated the blood quantum requirement to include cousins, who in turn voted her out of office.

Federal acknowledgment of the tribe is now being challenged by “Friends of Amador County”.

Now others vie for membership or control and the BIA was asked to intervene but declines, as standard procedure, claiming it to be a an internal tribal matter.

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.co...egal-heir-85228

The Mashantucket Pequots are another tribe which started quite the same way. The Iroquois will tell you they're not Indians.

There are many tribes with less than 50% Indian blood quantum, and thus more something other than Indian.

But I know you disagree with percentages of blood quantum and federal law. So I guess we'll just have to disagree.

But keep playing that race card and once SCOTUS agrees with you tribes become unconstitutional.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/30/16 01:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
It has nothing to do with race. Non-tribal Indians pay taxes all the time.

It has EVERYTHING to do with race, as any visit to the websites of CERA/CERF/UCE will clearly demonstrate to any intellectually honest individual.

I've NEVER seen a federal (or state) recognized (or otherwise) reservation or tribe of non-Native Americans... and neither has anyone else. Nor have ANY other "ethnic" group been deemed a Ward of Federal Governance.

There ya go, the key word is tribe. As a tribe, which has political governance over it's members, the feds establish a political a government to government recognition.

It is true that Indians are the key as “federal instrumentalities” to be used in stealing natural resources and lands for the feds. But ONLY as a tribal government. Non-tribal Indians pay taxes all the time.

I know you go by the one drop of Indian blood rule claiming all with such are Indians. But the feds only made treaties with those of 50% blood quantum. As such, individuals have been granted tribal status who in turn set the requirements for their own members.

The Buena Vista tribe in California started with only one member. Then she cut a deal for a casino. There were no relatives with more than 50% blood quantum so she eliminated the blood quantum requirement to include cousins, who in turn voted her out of office.

Federal acknowledgment of the tribe is now being challenged by “Friends of Amador County”.

Now others vie for membership or control and the BIA was asked to intervene but declines, as standard procedure, claiming it to be a an internal tribal matter.

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.co...egal-heir-85228

The Mashantucket Pequots are another tribe which started quite the same way. The Iroquois will tell you they're not Indians.
There are many tribes with less than 50% Indian blood quantum, and thus more something other than Indian.

But I know you disagree with percentages of blood quantum and federal law. So I guess we'll just have to disagree.

But keep playing that race card and once SCOTUS agrees with you tribes become unconstitutional.

All disparate non-sequiturs.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/30/16 02:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
The Buena Vista tribe ialifornia started with only one member. Then she cut a deal for a casino. There were no relatives with more than 50% blood quantum so she eliminated the blood quantum requirement to include cousins, who in turn voted her out of office.
LOL. I love it.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/31/16 09:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
I've NEVER seen a federal (or state) recognized (or otherwise) reservation or tribe of non-Native Americans


ain't you heard of the United States of America?

grin

Quote:
tribe - any group of people with interests in common


UNITED WE STAND
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 08/31/16 10:42 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
The Buena Vista tribe ialifornia started with only one member. Then she cut a deal for a casino. There were no relatives with more than 50% blood quantum so she eliminated the blood quantum requirement to include cousins, who in turn voted her out of office.
LOL. I love it.

Then you're only exposing your abject ignorance of human biology, since "blood quantum" is 90% Pseudoscience and 100% meaningless in true scientific terms of genetics.

It was a European, Colonial Concept That Was Imposed Upon the Native Peoples.

Stay in school, boys and girls, or this could be YOU.
shocked sick
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 09/01/16 08:08 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
The Buena Vista tribe ialifornia started with only one member. Then she cut a deal for a casino. There were no relatives with more than 50% blood quantum so she eliminated the blood quantum requirement to include cousins, who in turn voted her out of office.
LOL. I love it.
Then you're only exposing your abject ignorance of human biology, since "blood quantum" is 90% Pseudoscience and 100% meaningless in true scientific terms of genetics.

It was a European, Colonial Concept That Was Imposed Upon the Native Peoples.

Stay in school, boys and girls, or this could be YOU.
shocked sick
Are you disputing the fact that this "tribe" was down to one member? Sounds like we are all mixed race now. We are, or should be, all equal under the law. Tell Trump no wall is necessary to keep out non-natives. smile
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 09/01/16 08:43 AM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Are you disputing the fact that this "tribe" was down to one member? Sounds like we are all mixed race now. We are, or should be, all equal under the law. Tell Trump no wall is necessary to keep out non-natives. smile

And the Winner of today's Inane-Mashup-of-Reasoning competition, is none other than... grin
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 09/06/16 09:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: Rich_Tallcot
If NYS would pass the law requiring tribes to have sovereignty over the land to call it a reservation; sales tax laws would be enforceable in Seneca & Cayuga Counties.

The states have ZERO legal authority to do so.

Federal law explicitly prevents that.

State law defines a state reservation and the Cayuga have none. Federal law only applies to reservations.

And as is repeatedly pointed out out, There is NO mechanism in place, in which to enforce tax payment. None, Zero, Zilch.



the cayuga 'tribe' are US citizens
there is no cayuga 'reservation'

better tell obama/cuomo they can not collect taxes from US citizens...



Originally Posted By: Timbo
You can't have it both ways
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 09/06/16 10:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
the political left is finally coming around to set things right, as is plainly obvious with recent policy advancements under the Obama administration.
and what would those be?
If you're not preoccupied, you may feel free to look it up for yourself.

It should take any sincerely curious person less than five seconds.
and what recent policy advancements did obama bring forth?

MORE Answers that shall remain forever a mystery to the willfully ignorant and pathologically lazy among us.


Originally Posted By: Timbo
If you can't be bothered to provide citations to the original source references, we won't waste our time with your no-doubt fallacious misrepresentations.


obama has not made any recent advancements
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 09/06/16 10:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Poor, suffering colonialist. My heart bleeds for you.
You are a colonialist too right?

Decidedly NOT.


and the reason you have not returned to your homeland and given your land back to the 'tribe'?
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 09/07/16 02:26 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
obama has not made any recent advancements

Incorrect and STILL non-sequitur, regardless. The cost of such pathological laziness.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 09/07/16 02:37 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
It has EVERYTHING to do with race

I've NEVER seen a federal (or state) recognized (or otherwise) reservation or tribe of non-Native Americans... and neither has anyone else. Nor have ANY other "ethnic" group been deemed a Ward of Federal Governance.

are you not able to see your own contradiction in your own post?

What's astonishing, is that you DO. crazy crazy crazy
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 09/07/16 02:43 AM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
the Cayuga land claims

"In the 205 years the Cayuga Indians have been paid 1.63 million dollars. Factoring reasonable interest and inflation these payments have a current equivalent value somewhere between 150 million - 1 billion dollars."

explain how the cayuga 'tribe' can have a 'land claim' when you pointed out they have been paid for the land?
A good point.

ONLY if you completely ignore BZ's abysmal recollections of the historical record and your lack of effort to think for yourself.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 09/07/16 02:48 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
as is repeatedly pointed out out, There is NO mechanism in place, in which to enforce tax payment. None, Zero, Zilch.
the cayuga 'tribe' are US citizens
there is no cayuga 'reservation'

better tell obama/cuomo they can not collect taxes from US citizens...

No matter, there is NO mechanism in place. The states have no way of enforcing any such payment. It's THAT simple. whistle
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 09/07/16 09:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
obama has not made any recent advancements

Incorrect and STILL non-sequitur, regardless. The cost of such pathological laziness.


Originally Posted By: Timbo
Citations


where are your citations of what you claim obama has done?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 09/07/16 09:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
It has EVERYTHING to do with race

I've NEVER seen a federal (or state) recognized (or otherwise) reservation or tribe of non-Native Americans... and neither has anyone else. Nor have ANY other "ethnic" group been deemed a Ward of Federal Governance.

are you not able to see your own contradiction in your own post?

What's astonishing, is that you DO.


your own posts contradict themselves...
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 09/07/16 10:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
the Cayuga land claims

"In the 205 years the Cayuga Indians have been paid 1.63 million dollars. Factoring reasonable interest and inflation these payments have a current equivalent value somewhere between 150 million - 1 billion dollars."[/font]

explain how the cayuga 'tribe' can have a 'land claim' when you pointed out they have been paid for the land?
A good point.

ONLY if you completely ignore BZ's abysmal recollections of the historical record and your lack of effort to think for yourself.


'historical records'?

you have stated on here that the cayuga 'tribe' sided with the british
the british LOST

it appears that the cayuga 'tribe' has been overpaid by your own stance
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 09/07/16 10:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
as is repeatedly pointed out out, There is NO mechanism in place, in which to enforce tax payment. None, Zero, Zilch.
the cayuga 'tribe' are US citizens
there is no cayuga 'reservation'

better tell obama/cuomo they can not collect taxes from US citizens...

No matter, there is NO mechanism in place. The states have no way of enforcing any such payment. It's THAT simple. whistle


and what is the name of the 'reservation' that you reside upon?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 10/18/16 08:07 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
as is repeatedly pointed out out, There is NO mechanism in place, in which to enforce tax payment. None, Zero, Zilch.


Originally Posted By: Timbo
Never mind the fact that, per populace, Native Americans have by FAR the highest rate of US military service of ANY ethnic group.



and yet they pay no taxes to share in the costs to protect this land


Originally Posted By: Timbo
Add to that, MORE than $2 TRILLION in costs for an illegal, unfunded War in Iraq.

"The U.S. war in Iraq has cost $1.7 trillion with an additional $490 billion in benefits owed to war veterans, expenses that could grow to more than $6 trillion over the next four decades counting interest"...
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 10/23/16 09:07 AM

worried your taxes may go up if the landfill closes

time to collect the money the 'tribe' owes

it will cover the lose in money from the landfill with plenty of extra money to lower your taxes

there are NO federal 'reservations' in NYS


Quote:
In its legal arguments, the Seneca Nation "expressly acknowledges that, as a general principle, New York State has the authority to require reservation retailers to collect excise taxes on sales to non-Indians," Arcara wrote.


Cayuga Indian Nation land trust dispute
Updated: 06/12/2009 06:04 AM
By: Bill Carey

AUBURN, N.Y. -- The message from a host of Cayuga County officials was a simple one. If the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs agrees to allow the Cayuga Indians to place land into federal trust, tax losses for local schools and governments will be substantial and local businesses competing with Indian enterprises will be hurt.

“This is any business. Towing businesses. This is garages. Anything that can operate tax free on land in trust land can certainly affect the businesses here,” said Cayuga County legislator David Axton.

And the officials say they have numbers to back up their claims. Just last year, Cayuga and Seneca County authorities shut down cigarette sales by two service stations operated by the Cayuga Nation, claiming they were evading tax laws. The county has surveyed other convenience stores in the area and says most have seen increases in cigarette sales of 20 to 40 percent since that shutdown. They estimate they may have been losing millions in tax revenues prior to the action.

Cayuga and Seneca counties were the first to take action to disrupt cigarette sales by an Indian nation. They were hoping the message would be clear in Albany.

Governor Paterson has already signed legislation calling for collection of taxes on Indian cigarette sales and, in Cayuga County, they say a state facing billions in red ink should look at the potential windfall.

Cayuga Indian Nation land trust dispute
The long running dispute over land claims by the Cayuga Indians and the insistence of Cayuga and Seneca counties on their rights to tax revenues is about to heat up again. At issue, the Cayugas move to have the federal government allow 130 acres of land to be put into federal trust, exempting it from local taxes. Our Bill Carey says the campaign to block the move is underway.

“You're talking $30 million from two little convenience stores . You multiply that, times the Smoking Joes, 110 of those, the Sav-Ons in Oneida, the Long Island, all the millions of cigarettes they're selling down there, it's about a billion dollars in taxes a year that the state's missing out on ,” said Cayuga County District Attorney Jon Budelmann.

Some counties have opened negotiations with various Indian groups hoping to settle land claims and tax issues. Cayuga County hasn't taken that route.

The case against sovereignty and against placement of land into trust, they say, is clear.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 10/23/16 09:27 AM


The "landfill", again... REALLY??? crazy
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 10/23/16 09:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo

The "landfill", again... REALLY???


and yet you did not repsond to the five prior posts

must be all five have merit against your 'claims'
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 11/03/16 09:07 AM

Quote:
Sarratori - Due to federal laws, we cannot tax Nation-owned land


INCORRECT

there are NO federal 'reservations' in NYS

Quote:
Court sides with Sherrill
Supreme Court justices rule 8-1
Oneida Nation must pay tax to city
Wed, Mar 30, 2005
R. PATRICK CORBETT Observer-Dispatch

The Oneida Indian Nation must pay taxes on its property in the city of Sherrill and potentially on all land it has bought outside of its 32-acre reservation in Madison County, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Tuesday . In an 8-1 decision, the court ruled that the New York Oneidas cannot disrupt two centuries of local development by refusing to pay local taxes on a gas station and T-shirt factory it owns in Sherrill in Oneida County. New York City lawyer Ira Sacks, who pleaded Sherrill's case pro bono, said, "We were very pleased. The Supreme Court agreed with the principal argument that after 200 years ... the Oneida Indian Nation can't pick and choose places to buy and take it out of local jurisdiction." The justices also remarked on the "distinctly non-Indian character of the area and its inhabitants," because most Oneida Indians moved out of the area about 150 years ago.


In its legal arguments, the Seneca Nation "expressly acknowledges that, as a general principle, New York State has the authority to require reservation retailers to collect excise taxes on sales to non-Indians," Arcara wrote.


the court states the 'tribe' has to place land into trust because it is not a 'reservation'

the 'tribe' must have all the taxes paid in order to apply for trust

the 'tribe' has not paid the taxes so there is NO trust land

taxes are owed just the same as you owe taxes
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 11/04/16 03:15 AM


N.A. say "go to hell". Cant't tax what was taken illegally.
whistle
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 11/05/16 08:05 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Cant't tax what was taken illegally.


use that excuse when you refuse to pay your property taxes and see where that gets you

have you given the 'tribe' their land back yet?

of course NOT
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 11/05/16 08:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Cant't tax what was taken illegally.


Originally Posted By: Formermac
one uneducated and foolish individual rehashing 3 Century ago issues


Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 11/06/16 10:23 AM

WARNING

another Timbo contradiction

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Cant't tax what was taken illegally.


Originally Posted By: Timbo
Never mind the fact that, per populace, Native Americans have by FAR the highest rate of US military service of ANY ethnic group.


Posted by: Teonan

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 11/07/16 02:10 PM



Originally Posted By: bluezone
WARNING


Preposterous false equivalency. crazy

Please see yourself to the nearest exit bz.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 01/16/17 03:04 PM

http://fingerlakesdailynews.com/news/details.cfm?clientid=16&id=234501#.WH008lxaiUk

The Cayuga Nation’s Council of Chiefs and Clan Mothers on Friday appealed the December 15th Bureau of Indian Affairs decision declaring a group organized by Clint Halftown to be the government of the Cayuga Nation. They say the decision by BIA Eastern Regional Director Bruce Maytubby would strip the Clan Mothers of their longstanding role in the Nation’s government, a role they say Clint Halftown has previously supported. It would put in place a mail-in survey process to substitute for the traditional processes by which the Cayuga Nation has always chosen their leaders.

The appeal says “Far from being a neutral decision-maker, Maytubby prejudged the viability of the campaign of support process and secretly colluded with the Halftown faction while excluding Nation leaders then-recognized by the United States.” .
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/10/17 10:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Never mind the fact that, per populace, Native Americans have by FAR the highest rate of US military service of ANY ethnic group.


do 'tribal members' serve on the british forces also?

Originally Posted By: Timbo

The MOHAWK chief THAYENDANEGEA (known to Anglo-Americans as JOSEPH BRANT) was the most important Iroquois leader in the Revolutionary Era. He convinced four of the six Iroquois nations to join him in an alliance with the British
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/23/17 01:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Never mind the fact that, per populace, Native Americans have by FAR the highest rate of US military service of ANY ethnic group.


Quote:
There are 3 million Indians, of whom 1 million live on reservations.


so would that mean that there are 2 million that live off the 'reservation' and should those 2 million be considered US citizens?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/23/17 01:53 PM

Quote:
http://fingerlakesdailynews.com/news/details.cfm?clientid=16&id=234501#.WH008lxaiUk

The Cayuga Nation’s Council of Chiefs and Clan Mothers on Friday appealed the December 15th Bureau of Indian Affairs decision declaring a group organized by Clint Halftown to be the government of the Cayuga Nation. They say the decision by BIA Eastern Regional Director Bruce Maytubby would strip the Clan Mothers of their longstanding role in the Nation’s government, a role they say Clint Halftown has previously supported.
It would put in place a mail-in survey process to substitute for the traditional processes by which the Cayuga Nation has always chosen their leaders.

The appeal says “Far from being a neutral decision-maker, Maytubby prejudged the viability of the campaign of support process and secretly colluded with the Halftown faction while excluding Nation leaders then-recognized by the United States.” .



mail-in survey? confused

would that be thru the US mail service? whistle

do the 'tribal' members not all live in this area?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/23/17 01:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Teonan


Originally Posted By: bluezone
WARNING


Preposterous false equivalency. crazy



how does one serve for the US military if they 'claim' not to be a US citizen?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/25/17 04:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Teonan


Originally Posted By: bluezone
WARNING


Preposterous false equivalency. crazy

Please see yourself to the nearest exit bz.


care to explain why 2/3's of the 'tribal' members prefer to live OFF the 'reservation'?


2 million live off while only 1 million live on the 'reservation'
Posted by: Teonan

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/25/17 04:26 PM


No. I don't care to explain.

Suggest you reach out to them for an explanation to their life choices.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/25/17 04:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Teonan
No. I don't care to explain.


thought you had all the answers? wink
Posted by: Teonan

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/26/17 08:09 AM


Since thinking has never been one of your strong points I'm not at all surprised. wink

Just tried steering ya toward an obvious source to your inquiry bz. Keep us posted of any results!
Posted by: scwoodchuck

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/26/17 10:14 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Teonan


Originally Posted By: bluezone
WARNING


Preposterous false equivalency. crazy

Please see yourself to the nearest exit bz.


care to explain why 2/3's of the 'tribal' members prefer to live OFF the 'reservation'?


2 million live off while only 1 million live on the 'reservation'

That's easy to answer, 1/3 would rather suck off the system than work, just like white people ! crazy
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/26/17 10:22 AM

Originally Posted By: Teonan

No. I don't care to explain.

Suggest you reach out to them for an explanation to their life choices.


thought you had first hand knowledge. whistle..

guess not
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/26/17 10:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Teonan

No. I don't care to explain.


could it be that when they live off the 'reservation' they have more rights?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/26/17 10:29 AM

Originally Posted By: Teonan
Since thinking has never been one of your strong points


and yet you continue to contradict yourself

care to explain why you live on land that is not yours?
Posted by: Teonan

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/26/17 11:44 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Teonan
Since thinking has never been one of your strong points


care to explain why you live on land that is not yours?


Dang. Once again, you take the cake with that over-used, idiotic question. A hard dog to keep under the porch eh?

You must be bored.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/26/17 04:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Teonan
Since thinking has never been one of your strong points


care to explain why you live on land that is not yours?


Dang. Once again, you take the cake with that over-used, idiotic question.


the reason you refuse to answer why you live on land that is not yours is because it exposes your faults

see you can not pretend to support the 'tribe' while being on land that is not yours

keep chasing your tail...
Posted by: Teonan

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/26/17 04:34 PM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Teonan
Since thinking has never been one of your strong points


care to explain why you live on land that is not yours?


Dang. Once again, you take the cake with that over-used, idiotic question.


the reason you refuse to answer why you live on land that is not yours is because it exposes your faults

see you can not pretend to support the 'tribe' while being on land that is not yours

keep chasing your tail...


To actually think acting in solidarity with indigenous peoples (in this case the Haudenosaunee Confederacy) is limited to such ideations.

How very foolish of you bz.

Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/26/17 04:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Teonan
To actually think acting in solidarity with indigenous peoples


did they give you approval to live on their land?

keep up your 'act'ing...
Posted by: Teonan

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/26/17 04:53 PM


Poor bz. Ever the contentious contrarian.

Chase your own mangy tail my friend.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/26/17 05:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Teonan
Chase your own mangy tail my friend.


Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Deflection. Oldest game in the book.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/26/17 05:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Teonan
Chase your own mangy tail my friend.


need not worry as all the other pseudo 'tribal supporters' also refuse to give their land back

walk the walk...
Posted by: scwoodchuck

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/26/17 08:30 PM

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: bluezone

care to explain why 2/3's of the 'tribal' members prefer to live OFF the 'reservation'?

2 million live off while only 1 million live on the 'reservation'

That's easy to answer, 1/3 would rather suck off the system than work, just like white people ! crazy
BZ won't touch this one, he don't like to work either grin
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/03/17 08:06 AM

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
BZ won't touch this one,


it did not appear to be a question whistle


Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
he don't like to work either grin


snap ipo stock up over 40% yesterday
hope you invested in it grin
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/04/17 11:15 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Teonan

Originally Posted By: bluezone
WARNING
Preposterous false equivalency. crazy
how does one serve for the US military if they 'claim' not to be a US citizen?

By enlisting, that's how.

US citizenship is NOT requisite for service in the US military, nor has it EVER been.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/04/17 12:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
CHEROKEES and CREEKS (among others TRIBES) in the southern interior and most Iroquois nations in the northern interior provided crucial support to the British war effort. With remarkably few exceptions, Native American support for the British was close to universal.



Originally Posted By: Timbo

The MOHAWK chief THAYENDANEGEA (known to Anglo-Americans as JOSEPH BRANT) was the most important Iroquois leader in the Revolutionary Era. He convinced four of the six Iroquois nations to join him in an alliance with the British and was instrumental in leading combined Indian, British, and Loyalist forces on punishing raids in western New York and Pennsylvania in 1778 and 1779.


Originally Posted By: Timbo

Most fought with the British, but all lost in the Peace which followed. The Preliminary Articles of Peace of 1782 did not mention the Native Americans at all. Brant was outraged that the British were selling out the tribes.The British failed to set aside areas which were promised by Treaties they had made with the tribes.


Originally Posted By: Timbo
You can't have it both ways




Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/08/17 07:18 AM

Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Teonan
Since thinking has never been one of your strong points


care to explain why you live on land that is not yours?


Dang. Once again, you take the cake with that over-used, idiotic question.


the reason you refuse to answer why you live on land that is not yours is because it exposes your faults

see you can not pretend to support the 'tribe' while being on land that is not yours

keep chasing your tail...


To actually think acting in solidarity with indigenous peoples (in this case the Haudenosaunee Confederacy) is limited to such ideations.


Originally Posted By: Teonan
Sanctuary City: Ithaca moves forward


so lets so if we understand you correctly

you live on land that is NOT yours

and now you want more 'outsiders' to live on land that you have no authorurity to be on yourself

did the 'tribal government' give you the authority to make a 'sanctuary city'?

keep chasing your tail...
Posted by: Teonan

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/08/17 03:03 PM


E V O L V E clown.
Posted by: ThomasDecker

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/08/17 07:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Teonan

E V O L V E clown.



He's got a point.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 03/28/17 07:27 AM

Originally Posted By: Teonan
E V O L V E clown.


Originally Posted By: Timbo
”Hypocrisy" is when you accuse someone of biases while blatantly exhibiting your own.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/04/17 07:46 AM

Originally Posted By: ThomasDecker
Originally Posted By: Teonan

E V O L V E clown.



He's got a point.



it is always interesting to see a 'tribal supporter' claim to support the 'tribe' but refuse to give the land back that they have no right to occupy by their own stance
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 09/14/17 02:01 PM

halftown wants seneca county law authority to get his property back from the 'unity council'

LOL

keep showing us halftown that your claim to be a 'nation' is invalid

there ain't no federal 'reservation' cuz the feds would need to do what you are asking
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 09/14/17 02:20 PM

Welcome back bluezone. grin
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 10/06/17 10:11 AM

Quote:
halftown wants seneca county law authority to get his property back from the 'unity council'

LOL


'unity council' heads back to court against halftown

they should charge both halftown and the 'unity council' to use the court paid for by taxpayers

LOL
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 10/06/17 03:31 PM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
they should charge both halftown and the 'unity council' to use the court paid for by taxpayers LOL
Charge their sovereign nation. I don't know who is going to destroy American first: those guys or Trump.
Posted by: scwoodchuck

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 10/06/17 05:56 PM

The left wing nuts destroyed America long ago, or haven't you figured that out yet.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 10/06/17 05:57 PM

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
The left wing nuts destroyed America long ago, or haven't you figured that out yet.
Wow. You think America has already been destroyed? Long ago? Beyond recovery?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 10/08/17 06:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
”Hypocrisy" is when you accuse someone of biases while blatantly exhibiting your own.


still living on land that is not yours?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 12/14/17 05:43 PM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Teonan
Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Teonan
Since thinking has never been one of your strong points


care to explain why you live on land that is not yours?


Dang. Once again, you take the cake with that over-used, idiotic question.


the reason you refuse to answer why you live on land that is not yours is because it exposes your faults

see you can not pretend to support the 'tribe' while being on land that is not yours

keep chasing your tail...


To actually think acting in solidarity with indigenous peoples (in this case the Haudenosaunee Confederacy) is limited to such ideations.


Originally Posted By: Teonan
Sanctuary City: Ithaca moves forward


so lets so if we understand you correctly

you live on land that is NOT yours

and now you want more 'outsiders' to live on land that you have no authorurity to be on yourself

did the 'tribal government' give you the authority to make a 'sanctuary city'?

keep chasing your tail...


ever notice when the cayuga 'tribe' advertise their cigarettes they state their store is in seneca falls, ny
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 01/20/18 06:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
”Hypocrisy" is when you accuse someone of biases while blatantly exhibiting your own.


Originally Posted By: Timbo
I'm also willing to address the issue of restitution.


U ain't willing...
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 01/20/18 10:42 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
”Hypocrisy" is when you accuse someone of biases while blatantly exhibiting your own.
Originally Posted By: Timbo
I'm also willing to address the issue of restitution.
U ain't willing...

TROLL ALERT! crazy
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 01/20/18 12:37 PM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
I'm also willing to address the issue of restitution.
U ain't willing...
That is they way it has been for the 5 1/2 years Timbo has been on here. Talking gobblygok only.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 01/21/18 06:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
”Hypocrisy" is when you accuse someone of biases while blatantly exhibiting your own.
Originally Posted By: Timbo
I'm also willing to address the issue of restitution.


miss timbo - still waiting for your examples of your restitution

yawn...
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 01/21/18 06:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
T! crazy


so sorry miss timbo that you have to resort to yet another incident of your 4th grade 'name calling' behavior

have a nice day

Originally Posted By: Ayuveda
Deflection. Oldest game in the book.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 01/22/18 01:03 PM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: Timbo
WARNING: Troll Alert! crazy
you have to resort to yet another incident of your 4th grade 'name calling' behavior

Pointing out the fact that you obsessively scour the forum threads posting ad-hominem attacks, double. triple and quadruple-posting, and generally spreading pejorative irrelevancies isn't "name calling"... It's evidence-based observation coupled with appropriate commentary.

What you're doing is engaging in 4th grade behavior (as additional forum members have recently pointed out). It's also happens to be the defining characteristic of an INTERNET TROLL.


See for yourself:

troll (noun)
"In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion, often for the troll's amusement."

Also, see sociopath:
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/sociopath?s=t

"Troll" ruling firmly stands.

Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 01/30/18 11:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
"In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion, often for the troll's amusement."


miss timbo it appears you have just defined yourself

LOL
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 01/30/18 11:35 AM


And yet, here YOU are... whistle

Now go climb back down under your bridge.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 01/30/18 12:03 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/...m=.8bde29c07379

Donald Trump claimed that Indian reservations had fallen under mob control. He secretly paid for more than $1 million in ads that portrayed members of a tribe in Upstate New York as cocaine traffickers and career criminals. And he suggested in testimony and in media appearances that dark-skinned Native Americans in Connecticut were faking their ancestry.

“I think I might have more Indian blood than a lot of the so-called Indians that are trying to open up the reservations,” Trump said during a 1993 radio interview with shock jock Don Imus.

Trump’s harsh rhetoric on Native Americans was part of his aggressive war on the expanding Native American casino industry during the 1990s, which posed a threat to his gambling empire. The racially tinged remarks and broad-brush characterizations that Trump employed against Indian tribes for over a decade provided an early glimpse of the kind of incendiary language that he would use about racial and ethnic groups in the 2016 presidential campaign.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 01/30/18 12:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
”Hypocrisy" is when you accuse someone of biases while blatantly exhibiting your own.
Originally Posted By: Timbo
I'm also willing to address the issue of restitution.


miss timbo - still waiting for your examples of your restitution

yawn...
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 01/30/18 12:48 PM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
miss timbo - still waiting for your examples of your restitution

yawn...
Oh he has said he has posted them many times. We just don't read. grin
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/02/18 08:01 AM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: bluezone
miss timbo - still waiting for your examples of your restitution

yawn...
Oh he has said he has posted them many times. We just don't read. grin


miss timbo has never posted any of her examples

she likes to dodge the issue
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/03/18 12:18 PM


Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/03/18 01:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo

I guess this is restitution?
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/03/18 04:45 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: bluezone
miss timbo - still waiting for your examples of your restitution

yawn...
Oh he has said he has posted them many times. We just don't read. grin

As I've previously and repeatedly stated... how about starting with "unconditional, unfettered sovereignty of ALL native peoples"?

-----------

As I've also repeatedly stated: Exemption from all state and federal taxation, establishing a good-will effort by the return of NA-determined sacred lands and a return to total autonomy.

But I've already mentioned each these examples and you pretend that I haven't. So, go soak yer head.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/03/18 06:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: bluezone
miss timbo - still waiting for your examples of your restitution

yawn...
Oh he has said he has posted them many times. We just don't read. grin

As I've previously and repeatedly stated... how about starting with "unconditional, unfettered sovereignty of ALL native peoples"?
Are they going to be sovereign people with no land or do they get a chunk of the USA?
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/03/18 06:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
As I've also repeatedly stated: Exemption from all state and federal taxation,
So they can run a business and pay no taxes or collect no sales tax driving American business owners who have to pay taxes out of business?
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 12:50 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Are they going to be sovereign people with no land or do they get a chunk of the USA?

Are you dumb or just blind? Read the second part of that post.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 12:52 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
As I've also repeatedly stated: Exemption from all state and federal taxation,
So they can run a business and pay no taxes or collect no sales tax driving American business owners who have to pay taxes out of business?

Why do you suppose that Europeans can compete under those conditions, but inexplicably the US somehow can't? crazy

Besides, what makes you think that NAs wouldn't/couldn't charge their own sales tax? You really haven't thought this through very thoroughly, have you?

Or does the idea of Native Americans reclaiming their power scare you to death? I think that's what this is all about. Just like when former slave owners were vehemently opposed to former slaves regaining their rights and getting their hands on land and firearms. It was interfering with their "business model".
eek
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 03:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Are they going to be sovereign people with no land or do they get a chunk of the USA?
Are you dumb or just blind? Read the second part of that post.
Originally Posted By: Timbo
As I've also repeatedly stated: Exemption from all state and federal taxation, establishing a good-will effort by the return of NA-determined sacred lands and a return to total autonomy.
I don't see where that answers my question?
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 03:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
As I've also repeatedly stated: Exemption from all state and federal taxation,
So they can run a business and pay no taxes or collect no sales tax driving American business owners who have to pay taxes out of business?

Why do you suppose that Europeans can compete under those conditions, but inexplicably the US somehow can't? crazy
Europeans have to worry about NA sales taxes? crazy
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 04:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
As I've also repeatedly stated: Exemption from all state and federal taxation,
So they can run a business and pay no taxes or collect no sales tax driving American business owners who have to pay taxes out of business?

Why do you suppose that Europeans can compete under those conditions, but inexplicably the US somehow can't?[/size] crazy

Besides, what makes you think that NAs wouldn't/couldn't charge their own sales tax?
Sure they can but they don't have to. Are they doing pay the US for their national defense? Or are they going to protect themselves with bows and arrows?
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 04:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
As I've also repeatedly stated: Exemption from all state and federal taxation,
So they can run a business and pay no taxes or collect no sales tax driving American business owners who have to pay taxes out of business?
Or does the idea of Native Americans reclaiming their power scare you to death? I think that's what this is all about.
OMG. ROFLAMO
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 04:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
As I've also repeatedly stated: Exemption from all state and federal taxation,
So they can run a business and pay no taxes or collect no sales tax driving American business owners who have to pay taxes out of business?
Just like when former slave owners were vehemently opposed to former slaves regaining their rights and getting their hands on land and firearms. It was interfering with their "business model". eek
Former slaves are now totally integrated into the USA and pay all their taxes just like the rest of us as opposed to NA's.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 04:08 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
what makes you think that NAs wouldn't/couldn't charge their own sales tax?
Sure they can but they don't have to. Are they doing pay the US for their national defense?


Is they want full sovereignty then screw 'em. Otherwise, they can relinquish NA citizenship. Right, Brainiac?

Besides, you're changing the subject. Now answer the question.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 04:10 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
As I've also repeatedly stated: Exemption from all state and federal taxation,
So they can run a business and pay no taxes or collect no sales tax driving American business owners who have to pay taxes out of business?
Just like when former slave owners were vehemently opposed to former slaves regaining their rights and getting their hands on land and firearms. It was interfering with their "business model". eek
Former slaves are now totally integrated into the USA and pay all their taxes just like the rest of us as opposed to NA's.

Show me the map where the United States is located on African land. crazy crazy crazy
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 04:12 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Are they doing pay the US for their national defense? Or are they going to protect themselves with bows and arrows?

That's up to them and absolutely NONE of your concern. They can always petition membership into NATO, with all the rights and responsibilities.

Until such point it's completely irrelevant, isn't it?

Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 04:15 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Why do you suppose that Europeans can compete under those conditions, but inexplicably the US somehow can't? crazy
Europeans have to worry about NA sales taxes? crazy

Don't be obtuse. You're dodging the issue because you can't answer the question rationally.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 04:19 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Are they going to be sovereign people with no land or do they get a chunk of the USA?
Are you dumb or just blind? Read the second part of that post.
Originally Posted By: Timbo
As I've also repeatedly stated: Exemption from all state and federal taxation, establishing a good-will effort by the return of NA-determined sacred lands and a return to total autonomy.
I don't see where that answers my question?

Because you're either blind, dumb or BOTH.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 04:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Are they going to be sovereign people with no land or do they get a chunk of the USA?
Are you dumb or just blind? Read the second part of that post.
Originally Posted By: Timbo
As I've also repeatedly stated: Exemption from all state and federal taxation, establishing a good-will effort by the return of NA-determined sacred lands and a return to total autonomy.
I don't see where that answers my question?

Because you're either blind, dumb or BOTH.
Some American land is scared to them but not all of it?
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 04:23 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Or does the idea of Native Americans reclaiming their power scare you to death? I think that's what this is all about.
OMG. ROFLAMO

If not, then why NOT give them what they want?

They get their full and rightful sovereignty back and the US doesn't have to endlessly expend it's money and efforts on them. How can that NOT be an equitable solution for all involved?

Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 04:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Or does the idea of Native Americans reclaiming their power scare you to death? I think that's what this is all about.
OMG. ROFLAMO

If not, then why NOT give them what they want?

They get their full and rightful sovereignty back and the US doesn't have to endlessly expend it's money and efforts on them. How can that NOT be an equitable solution for all involved?
All I can see is that you want to give them all of America?
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 04:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Why do you suppose that Europeans can compete under those conditions, but inexplicably the US somehow can't? crazy
Europeans have to worry about NA sales taxes? crazy

Don't be obtuse. You're dodging the issue because you can't answer the question rationally.
I honestly have no idea what you are talking about here?
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 04:32 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Some American land is scared to them but not all of it?

Why the hell are you asking ME? Anything is clearly better that the shaft they're currently getting. Besides, It's actually THEIR land.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 04:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
As I've also repeatedly stated: Exemption from all state and federal taxation,
So they can run a business and pay no taxes or collect no sales tax driving American business owners who have to pay taxes out of business?
Just like when former slave owners were vehemently opposed to former slaves regaining their rights and getting their hands on land and firearms. It was interfering with their "business model". eek
Former slaves are now totally integrated into the USA and pay all their taxes just like the rest of us as opposed to NA's.

Show me the map where the United States is located on African land. crazy crazy crazy
All of American is located on NA land. So I can only conclude you want to give them all of America.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 04:33 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Or does the idea of Native Americans reclaiming their power scare you to death? I think that's what this is all about.
OMG. ROFLAMO

If not, then why NOT give them what they want?

They get their full and rightful sovereignty back and the US doesn't have to endlessly expend it's money and efforts on them. How can that NOT be an equitable solution for all involved?
All I can see is that you want to give them all of America?

Either answer my question, or we're done.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 04:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Some American land is scared to them but not all of it?

Why the hell are you asking ME? Anything is clearly better that the shaft they're currently getting. Besides, It's actually THEIR land.
Sounds to me like you are finally admitting you want to give them all of the USA.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 04:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Or does the idea of Native Americans reclaiming their power scare you to death? I think that's what this is all about.
OMG. ROFLAMO

If not, then why NOT give them what they want?
They get their full and rightful sovereignty back and the US doesn't have to endlessly expend it's money and efforts on them. How can that NOT be an equitable solution for all involved?
All I can see is that you want to give them all of America?
Either answer my question, or we're done.
After this run around I have no idea what question you are talking about?
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 04:36 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
OMG. ROFLAMO

If not, then why NOT give them what they want?

They get their full and rightful sovereignty back and the US doesn't have to endlessly expend it's money and efforts on them. How can that NOT be an equitable solution for all involved?
All I can see is that you want to give them all of America?


Either answer my question, or we're done.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 04:37 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Sounds to me like you are finally admitting you want to give them all of the USA.

Sounds to me like you're putting words in my mouth... again.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 04:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Sounds to me like you are finally admitting you want to give them all of the USA.

Sounds to me like you're putting words in my mouth... again.
Ah. You are doing it ....again. When I try and get any kind of an answer out of you,any kind of answer, this is your worthless reply.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 05:02 PM

Doing WHAT, Einstein?

Questions that I’ve answered:

• As I've previously and repeatedly stated... how about starting with "unconditional, unfettered sovereignty of ALL native peoples"?

• As I've also repeatedly stated: Exemption from all state and federal taxation, establishing a good-will effort by the return of NA-determined sacred lands and a return to total autonomy.

• the return of NA-determined sacred lands

• If they want full sovereignty then screw 'em. Otherwise, they can relinquish NA citizenship. Right, Brainiac?



My Unanswered Questions:

• Why do you suppose that Europeans can compete under those conditions, but inexplicably the US somehow can't?

• What makes you think that NAs wouldn't/couldn't charge their own sales tax?

• Does the idea of Native Americans reclaiming their power scare you to death?

• Show me the map where the United States is located on African land.

• That's up to them and absolutely NONE of your concern. They can always petition membership into NATO, with all the rights and responsibilities.

• If not, then why NOT give them what they want? That way they get their full and rightful sovereignty back and the US doesn't have to endlessly expend it's money and efforts on them. How can that NOT be an equitable solution for all involved?


Save your BS for someone else. I KNEW you wouldn't answer any of my questions. You're just another forum troll. Where'd ya go...busy eating the hot pockets your mom heats up for you to enjoy in your basement bedroom? crazy

Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 05:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
They can always petition membership into NATO, with all the rights and responsibilities.
They can do this with no land? What land would they have?
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 05:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
• the return of NA-determined sacred lands
And I have asked you before how does anyone determine sacred from nonsacred land?
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 05:11 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
They can always petition membership into NATO, with all the rights and responsibilities.
They can do this with no land? What land would they have?

"the return of NA-determined sacred lands"
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 05:11 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
• the return of NA-determined sacred lands
And I have asked you before how does anyone determine sacred from nonsacred land?


Bye, Troll.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 05:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
• Show me the map where the United States is located on African land.
Show me the map showing me what portion of America they would get.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 05:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
• the return of NA-determined sacred lands
And I have asked you before how does anyone determine sacred from nonsacred land?
Answer my questions.
WHY? U DON'T ANSWER MINE.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 05:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
They can always petition membership into NATO, with all the rights and responsibilities.
They can do this with no land? What land would they have?

"the return of NA-determined sacred lands"
Is that more land not on their present reservations? They get to determine what portion of America they get?
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 05:13 PM

"NA-DETERMINED"
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 05:14 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
• the return of NA-determined sacred lands
And I have asked you before how does anyone determine sacred from nonsacred land?
Answer my questions.
WHY? U DON'T ANSWER MINE.

Questions that I’ve answered:

• As I've previously and repeatedly stated... how about starting with "unconditional, unfettered sovereignty of ALL native peoples"?

• As I've also repeatedly stated: Exemption from all state and federal taxation, establishing a good-will effort by the return of NA-determined sacred lands and a return to total autonomy.

• the return of NA-determined sacred lands

• If they want full sovereignty then screw 'em. Otherwise, they can relinquish NA citizenship. Right, Brainiac?



My Unanswered Questions:

• Why do you suppose that Europeans can compete under those conditions, but inexplicably the US somehow can't?

• What makes you think that NAs wouldn't/couldn't charge their own sales tax?

• Does the idea of Native Americans reclaiming their power scare you to death?

• Show me the map where the United States is located on African land.

• That's up to them and absolutely NONE of your concern. They can always petition membership into NATO, with all the rights and responsibilities.

• If not, then why NOT give them what they want? That way they get their full and rightful sovereignty back and the US doesn't have to endlessly expend it's money and efforts on them. How can that NOT be an equitable solution for all involved


Your move, Junior.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 05:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
"NA-DETERMINED"
Well obviously they are going to want all of America.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 05:16 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
"NA-DETERMINED"
Well obviously they are going to want all of America.

False Assumptions.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 05:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
• If not, then why NOT give them what they want? That way they get their full and rightful sovereignty back and the US doesn't have to endlessly expend it's money and efforts on them. How can that NOT be an equitable solution for all involved[/size]

Your move, Junior.
Wow. So they get all of America back.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 05:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
"NA-DETERMINED"
Well obviously they are going to want all of America.

Figured that out all by yourself, did ya?
You are finally admitting it. Amazing. What is the chances of that happening? Zero. Do you believe otherwise?
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 05:18 PM


Buh-Bye.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 05:18 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Figured that out all by yourself, did ya?
You are finally admitting it. Amazing. What is the chances of that happening? Zero. Do you believe otherwise?

Why are you changing my posts?
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 05:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
"NA-DETERMINED"
Well obviously they are going to want all of America.

False Assumptions.
You just go round and round and nothing is accomplished by this silly exercise.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 05:22 PM


You're really not too bright, are you?
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 06:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo

You're really not too bright, are you?
U are trying to do something that can't be done. Give all of America back to the NA's. I think that makes you not bright at all.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 06:08 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
They can always petition membership into NATO, with all the rights and responsibilities.
They can do this with no land? What land would they have?
See. You don't answer my questions.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 06:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Figured that out all by yourself, did ya?
You are finally admitting it. Amazing. What is the chances of that happening? Zero. Do you believe otherwise?

Why are you changing my posts?
I have no idea what you mean with this charge.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 06:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo

You're really not too bright, are you?
Ya. These two college degrees I got must mean I am not too bright.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 06:57 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo

You're really not too bright, are you?
Ya. These two college degrees I got must mean I am not too bright.

So do Trump and George W. Bush. Never confuse education with intelligence.
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 07:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo

You're really not too bright, are you?
Ya. These two college degrees I got must mean I am not too bright.

So does Trump. Never confuse education with intelligence.
OMG. You have to bring up something we agree on.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 07:06 PM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo

You're really not too bright, are you?
Ya. These two college degrees I got must mean I am not too bright.

So does Trump. Never confuse education with intelligence.
OMG. You have to bring up something we agree on.

Oh, so you agree that those degrees of yours are meaningless?

How interesting.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 07:09 PM


"These two college degrees I got..." -Kyle585

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Too bad those degrees didn't provide you with the knowledge to use even third grade grammar or vocabulary. Your deductive reasoning is a bit shaky, as well. grin
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/04/18 08:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo

"These two college degrees I got..." -Kyle585

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Too bad those degrees didn't provide you with the knowledge to use even third grade grammar or vocabulary. Your deductive reasoning is a bit shaky, as well. grin
I didn't major in grammar. I majored in rocket science.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/05/18 11:18 AM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
I didn't major in grammar. I majored in rocket science.

Oh yeah, then define "+" and extrapolate the effect. whistle

Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/05/18 11:21 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: kyle585
I didn't major in grammar. I majored in rocket science.
Oh yeah, then define THIS: whistle

Thats the solar system! I also took astronomy.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/05/18 11:23 AM


I'd demand a refund. crazy
Posted by: kyle585

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/05/18 11:27 AM

Originally Posted By: Timbo

Wow! A bigger BS-er than I imagined.
I might as well BS. Nothing is ever going to change from the current situation of NA's. It is not even on the radar of any national elected officials of either party.
Posted by: hearallseeall

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/06/18 07:50 AM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo
• the return of NA-determined sacred lands
And I have asked you before how does anyone determine sacred from nonsacred land?

The Indians use a very complex algorithm to figure out questions such as this.

The most important questions of this algorithm are:
- is there room to build a casino?
- can we operate a gas station?
- and is there easy access for the dirty 'peons to buy cigs from us?

If there is a 'yes' to any one of these questions, the land is indeed 'sacred.'

Ok. . .so the complex algorithm part was sarcasm. Lol. Basically, if they can be a part of modern America and make money, they think the land is sacred.
Posted by: scwoodchuck

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 02/06/18 10:48 AM

Originally Posted By: kyle585
Originally Posted By: Timbo

Wow! A bigger BS-er than I imagined.
I might as well BS. Nothing is ever going to change from the current situation of NA's. It is not even on the radar of any national elected officials of either party.
WOW, how come I got banned for 3 months for using a term you both just used ?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 04/06/18 08:24 AM

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Wow! A bigger BS-er than I imagined.
WOW, how come I got banned for 3 months for using a term you both just used ?


were you responding to miss timbo when you got 'banned'?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 04/12/18 03:21 PM

Originally Posted By: hearallseeall
The Indians use a very complex algorithm to figure out questions such as this.

The most important questions of this algorithm are:
- is there room to build a casino?
- can we operate a gas station?
- and is there easy access for the dirty 'peons to buy cigs from us?

If there is a 'yes' to any one of these questions, the land is indeed 'sacred.'

Ok. . .so the complex algorithm part was sarcasm. Lol. Basically, if they can be a part of modern America and make money, they think the land is sacred.


halftown wants the land to be put into trust

it is NYS land
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/10/18 02:25 PM

Quote:
Schumer: Reject Cayugas’ land bid

U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer has urged the U.S. Department of Interior to reject the Cayuga Indian Nation of New York’s request to place 125 acres of land in Cayuga and Seneca counties into a federal trust. In a press release issued by Schumer’s office Monday, Schumer said he told Department of ...


more 'hot air' from schumer?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 05/17/18 10:08 AM

Halbritter is waiting for NYS to allow sports betting after SCOTUS ruled the states now have that right

SCOTUS ruled halbritter can not buy land in NYS and call it a 'reservation'

Must be he forgot that SCOTUS ruling
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 07/31/18 08:24 AM

unity council is going to court against halftown

your tax dollars are paying for the court
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Unity Council now known as Cayuga Nation Council - 07/31/18 12:18 PM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
unity council is going to court against halftown

your tax dollars are paying for the court
And why not? The US government's despicable manipulation of treaties establishes Native Americans as domestic dependent wards of the federal government. The US has taken the obligation upon itself and you don't get to have it both ways.