East Lake Rd. Pitbulls

Posted by: hopefull

East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/12/08 02:17 PM

Anyone know what happened on East Lake Rd. today at the pitbull breeders? Rumor has it that some of his dogs went after someone today and there dog. Another summer with the pitbulls....
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/12/08 04:40 PM

I think that is true and that the dog control guy was not available.
Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/12/08 06:25 PM

Not available or afraid of the owner!
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/12/08 07:18 PM

"or afraid of the owner!"

I think not. After all, no matter what the situation, police backup is always available, and in a situation as notorious as this one, I don't think the cops are going to take any crap from the guy; it's a major and long-existing public safety issue.
Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/12/08 09:04 PM

Originally Posted By: VM Smith
"or afraid of the owner!"

I think not. After all, no matter what the situation, police backup is always available, and in a situation as notorious as this one, I don't think the cops are going to take any crap from the guy; it's a major and long-existing public safety issue.


This is a quote from a previous thread about this lunitic....that is why I posted what I did...

Originally Posted By: Jelloshot
This guy is an idiot, a MAJOR loose cannon his dogs are very dangerous and there are numerous other stories about his dogs cornering people, treeing people, attacking other dogs and just roaming around, he "trains" them by having them pull a weighted stone sled around his yard. But its always everyone elses fault, never his dogs, he is a LOSER of the first class. The cops wont even go there without TWO officers.
Posted by: avalon

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/12/08 09:20 PM

Wasn't the house in foreclosure? What is he still doing there?
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/12/08 09:31 PM

"The cops wont even go there without TWO officers."

And my point is that everybody is just about sick of this guy, including the neighbors, judges, and cops. If this guy ever attacks the cops, he's liable to be shot, and few would miss him.
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/12/08 10:16 PM

My sources say that she is as bad as he is. The only innnocents on the property are the children, who did not chose their paretns and the dogs, who may be so damaged they cn't be d\salvaged.
Posted by: Deadeye1

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/13/08 07:52 AM

Here is the story on the "East Lake Road" pitt bulls.
On Saturday a person was walking their dog down East Lake Road passing by the house where the pitt bulls live. The bulls were outside with their owner and when said person walked by, the 6 pitt bulls ran out of their yard and across the road and attacked the dog walking by. A passer by in a car saved the walker and her dog from further injury by stopping and getting her in their car.
Bottom line of this story is last summer the East Lake Road residents were harassed by this man and his dogs. Walkers and joggers were attacked, a cat was killed and neighbors were forced to be aware as to whether the pitt bulls were outside when they wanted to be outside themselves. The town officials were brought into the mix, summons were served and all court sessions were attended by some of the concerned residents. The ones who didn't attend were afraid to make waves for fear of retribution as they lived in close proximity to this man and these dogs.
To make a long story short, through all the court sessions and summons servings, nothing of any value was done. The only thing that was accomplished was the pitt bull owner got to keep his dogs and had another litter of pups.
Winter came and not many people walked by and the bulls were brought inside the house for the winter so things were quiet.
So here we are with people out and about again walking down the road and are now being attacked by the grown up puppies too.
There is a lot more to this story than there is room for here but I want everyone to know that everything that could have been done by the dog warden and the residents was done. Following up by the public officials was not done. Things got swept under the rug.
We as residents are on a mission now to fix this problem once and for all. I believe it has been called "taking our neighborhood back". We will just keep going higher until we find someone who can and will help.
So now you know some of the FACTS. There is no gossip or rumor involved here as this was sent to you from someone who has been involved from the beginning.
Just pm me if you have any questions.
Thank you.
Posted by: avalon

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/13/08 08:27 AM

Have neighbors gone to Varick Town Board meetings and complained about these
dogs and owners? It's unbelievable that dangerous dogs of this caliber are allowed
to remain in the hands of an obviously incompetent owner in a residential area.
Aren't dogs like these considered "weapons" in other areas...like cities.

When a child is killed, then something will be done...maybe.
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/13/08 08:33 AM

yes, and the some of the old board and some of the new board think we are over reacting and NOTHING has been done. They(the board) were given NYS Ag and Market laws for dangerous dogs, for a standard to address a local town ordinance and felt we didnt need it.
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/13/08 08:39 AM

I hope the victim and her dog are ok, and I hope she called 911.
Posted by: Gio

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/13/08 08:41 AM

If there really was an attack I do not understand how it could be "swept under the rug"??? If the town board will do nothing what about a state agency?
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/13/08 08:45 AM

There have been NUMEROUS attacks, the old Town board and Dog officer felt the state laws were enough and that we(they) dont need a local ordinance that would mirror the state law. Since the new board has been there, as far as I know, nothing has been addressed, it did get pushed aside with the elections.
Posted by: Blue Sky

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/13/08 09:33 AM

I have been following this story here on FL1 and in the paper. It is a shame that people in the neighborhood have to live in fear.

It appears that the people in your area have tried to take the necessary steps to restore safety to the neighborhood. Unfortunately, the powers to be have not listened. Maybe it is time to take it up a level. If I lived near there, I would be calling all the TV stations ~~ I think most of them have segments re "What's Your Problem That You Can't Get Solved?"

Good luck. I truly hope you find a resolution before someone is seriously hurt or killed.
Posted by: Gio

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/13/08 09:34 AM

unbelievable.
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/13/08 09:56 AM

I have, this morning, been in contact with our supervisor and I am giving the "new" town board a chance. The judge needs to have these dogs put down, and Mr. Whitless needs to be banned from breeding dogs, no more screwing around with this dirtbag.
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/13/08 09:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Carerinoa
Not available or afraid of the owner!


He's on vacation.
Posted by: Ovidian

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/13/08 10:05 AM

Originally Posted By: Jelloshot
I have, this morning, been in contact with our supervisor and I am giving the "new" town board a chance. The judge needs to have these dogs put down, and Mr. Whitless needs to be banned from breeding dogs, no more screwing around with this dirtbag.
Good luck! I've got five bucks that says nothing gets done until there is serious injury. In S.C. anything goes.
Posted by: Gio

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/13/08 10:10 AM

Hey there are some nice homes for sale on this side of the lake. Come on over guys....
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/13/08 10:21 AM

This is seriously not an overreaction. I woudl take it to whoever I had to. East Lake Rd. is known for people walking it all the time. It's along the lake for Christ sakes. I hope someone persues this. I love dogs and am not descriminating against the breed at all. They should nto be allowed to run around like this. My friend was down there hunting once and a couple of these dogs cornered him in the wooods. It was a situation where he almost had to shoot them....for his own safety. He doesn't even let his child outside alone now. It's pretty sad when you cannot even let your child out to play.
Posted by: snoopy

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/13/08 11:18 AM

Dog and owner are ok from yesterdays "Incident". Very thankful for friends that drove by and came back and rescued them. Incident will not be forgotten or brushed under a rug.
Posted by: Red22

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/13/08 12:03 PM

Is this something that the sheriffs are currently handling or have the state troopers been involved. It seems that sometimes the troopers are a little more pro-active in coming to a resolution.
Posted by: AbuDhabi

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/13/08 12:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Yetta Nother
It was a situation where he almost had to shoot them....for his own safety.


Oh, gosh. I hope that never happens to me. I would hate to almost have to shoot a pretty little puppy.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Tell your friend the next time he gets a crack at them he can send me the bill for the bullets.
Posted by: DryHeavs

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/13/08 12:57 PM

I believe this guy has gone to jail for his outlandish behavior regarding these dogs. I forsee a future re-incarceration coming soon.
Posted by: CitizenStraub

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/13/08 12:59 PM

Originally Posted By: AbuDhabi
Originally Posted By: Yetta Nother
It was a situation where he almost had to shoot them....for his own safety.


Oh, gosh. I hope that never happens to me. I would hate to almost have to shoot a pretty little puppy.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Tell your friend the next time he gets a crack at them he can send me the bill for the bullets.


I'll split the cost with you!
Posted by: all seeing eye

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/13/08 01:37 PM

Ag and Markets have no enforcement powers. I would call the State Police in Waterloo. I suspect they know all about him.
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/13/08 06:53 PM

Originally Posted By: AbuDhabi
Originally Posted By: Yetta Nother
It was a situation where he almost had to shoot them....for his own safety.


Oh, gosh. I hope that never happens to me. I would hate to almost have to shoot a pretty little puppy.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Tell your friend the next time he gets a crack at them he can send me the bill for the bullets.


I don't think that he actually knew whose dogs they were. I'm guessing their the same persons dogs since my friend lives on East Lake Rd.
Posted by: merski

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/13/08 07:47 PM

I tell you what if an animal is coming at me AND i have a weapon, sorry but idk what kind of breed!! Im gonna drop it like its hot (i am not trying to be disrespectful to you Yetta)
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/13/08 08:03 PM

Your not disrespecting me at all. I agree. I would have shot it between the eyes if I felt threatened.
Posted by: avalon

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/14/08 10:21 PM

People should be able to walk down the road (any road) without packing firearms.
It isn't civilized to be attacked by a bunch of dogs on a country road. What country
are we living in anyway?
Posted by: myopinion2share

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 06:30 AM

‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’

Simple to fix, with a couple of numbers, 22, 9, 30.06, 357, etc.

Sorry. If I were in the neighborhood and still wasn't getting resolutions thru the proper chanels and my family were in danger, I would be seriously giving thought to "taking back the neighborhood" as someone else posted.
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 07:06 AM

Trust me we are not just sitting around doing nothing, and not only are these peole charged at/attacked by this pack of dogs , they are then verbally assaulted by the SCUM BAG owner, either as it happens or later in court. It is ALWAYS everyone elses fault, never his.

and I am more than open for suggestions on how you would "take back" other than through proper channels.
Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 07:12 AM

How about calling in some television news stations. I'm sure local officials would love to see the story on the news with all to see how they are doing a lot of NOTHING!!!!!!!
Posted by: myopinion2share

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 07:14 AM

You took the words right out of my mouth,Careinoa. Isn't it channel 10 that helps with unresolved issues?

I meant the suggestion about the numbers as tongue in cheek, since obvioiusly whomever were to take the law into their own hands would be the one in the biggest trouble.
Posted by: myopinion2share

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 07:15 AM

Also, would video taping this verbal assault and attacks help substantiate the people's claims. With phones and technology of video, it may not be that hard?
I cannot imagine what it must be to live there.
Posted by: AbuDhabi

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 07:16 AM

Originally Posted By: avalon
People should be able to walk down the road (any road) without packing firearms.
It isn't civilized to be attacked by a bunch of dogs on a country road. What country
are we living in anyway?


I'm in Qatar. The cops here shoot strays. You can walk down any road you like, as long as you don't mind a little camel poop on your shoes.
Posted by: PitStop

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 07:32 AM

i would call the tv stations and see how fast things move
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 07:32 AM

That is definitely a possibility, however, we have a couple "new" local officials, and having attended court when scumbag has been there, I know that the ag/market laws are woefully inept, that and out wonderful DA's office never had the ADA there to prosecute, he let the dog control officer do it. So I will be semi patient, for a very short period of time, and see if we can deal with this (again).
btw, court is this Thursday
Posted by: marlboronymom

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 07:41 AM

If ANY of those board members (or their families) were "victims" of this irresponsible @#%^&! something would be done about his dogs faster than you could say A.S.A.P.


Maybe it's time to find a "really good" lawyer who specialises in Class Action Suits!




Posted by: myopinion2share

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 07:50 AM

Be sure to let us know how things go on Thursday, Jello.
Posted by: CitizenStraub

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 08:20 AM

Originally Posted By: myopinion2share
Be sure to let us know how things go on Thursday, Jello.


It would be laughable if the media showed up and, once again, the DA didn't. It would definitely get the point across at how inept our DA is.
Posted by: myopinion2share

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 08:23 AM

Well, be sure to call channel 10 with the information or even R news or better yet, both.
Posted by: PitStop

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 08:43 AM

heck get them all
Posted by: aaddgg

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 05:55 PM

Everyone on this forum really haven't got a clue as to what is going on with these kids. I am their neighbor and I see and hear so mch of what is going on. I am their neighbor in he 5000 block of E. Lake Rd. These kids will be here for a long time... they are a great family. you should get to know them before you jump on the bandwagon and bash them. I stood on my patio Saturday during and after this "incident". Mr. Whitley and the dogs approached this woman and her dog; the dogs sniffed at her dog. A silver Volvo pulled up and the woman refused a ride iitially but eventuall got in after Mr. Whitley suggested that she did. I am no eavesdropper, but I could certainly hear Mr. Whitley call the Sheriff's dept. Two Sheriffs came, one being the canine unit. The canine Sheriff came back again and I could hear him tell Mr. Whitle and Ms. Corcoran that the walker assured him that the dogs were merely sniffing her dogs in a curious manner and weren't threatening. It's crazy to me that every time these kids bring their dogs outside, they get harassed. Dangerous dog tickets for incidents where if it were any other dog, nothing would happen! These kids do have cameras on their property; you can see the inferred at nighttime You people act like everything gets swept under the rug, but did you ever stop to think that their cameras do tell all and the situations are being misreported? I am sure one of the eight or so cameras got footage of Saturday's event and I really do feel that if this woman attempts to continue on with a fabrication, eventually she will be prosecuted too. These false reports have to get prosecuted, it's the law. I really encourage you all to know them before ou speak and jump on the badwagon. Our kids and cats play around and with them and they truly are a nice family.
Posted by: aaddgg

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 05:55 PM

Everyone on this forum really haven't got a clue as to what is going on with these kids. I am their neighbor and I see and hear so mch of what is going on. I am their neighbor in he 5000 block of E. Lake Rd. These kids will be here for a long time... they are a great family. you should get to know them before you jump on the bandwagon and bash them. I stood on my patio Saturday during and after this "incident". Mr. Whitley and the dogs approached this woman and her dog; the dogs sniffed at her dog. A silver Volvo pulled up and the woman refused a ride iitially but eventuall got in after Mr. Whitley suggested that she did. I am no eavesdropper, but I could certainly hear Mr. Whitley call the Sheriff's dept. Two Sheriffs came, one being the canine unit. The canine Sheriff came back again and I could hear him tell Mr. Whitle and Ms. Corcoran that the walker assured him that the dogs were merely sniffing her dogs in a curious manner and weren't threatening. It's crazy to me that every time these kids bring their dogs outside, they get harassed. Dangerous dog tickets for incidents where if it were any other dog, nothing would happen! These kids do have cameras on their property; you can see the inferred at nighttime You people act like everything gets swept under the rug, but did you ever stop to think that their cameras do tell all and the situations are being misreported? I am sure one of the eight or so cameras got footage of Saturday's event and I really do feel that if this woman attempts to continue on with a fabrication, eventually she will be prosecuted too. These false reports have to get prosecuted, it's the law. I really encourage you all to know them before ou speak and jump on the badwagon. Our kids and cats play around and with them and they truly are a nice family.
Posted by: p.o.in varick

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 06:08 PM

I swear, all we're doing is making these people rich. The FBI has been over there... there is a full investigation of everything going on with the dog owners. There is judicial misconduct, investigation with the da's office, the dog warden, you name it. These two are going to end up rich in the end!
Posted by: mom2five

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 07:06 PM

I think Laura Hand on Channel 3 does this.....unless she is no longer there
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 08:47 PM

FBI my ASS, aaddgg and po you are BOTH FULL OF CRAP! sounds like the typical B.S. words right out of ignorant lil bobbys bi polar psychotic mouth. See you in court scum bag. Everybody else is in the wrong and these two are......... wait for it ... innocent...buhwahahahahahahahahahahahahah
LOSERS.
Posted by: avalon

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 08:56 PM

Actually, if these aren't dangerous dogs, then a fence would take care of the problem. If people are are going to have dogs then they need to contain them. If these folks love their dogs then they wouldn't want them taken away because of the
dogs interfering with the public. It all goes back to responsibilty, the dogs exhibit
the behavior they were bred for.

If the owners can't afford a fence then they shouldn't have the dogs.
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 09:15 PM



Originally Posted By: aaddgg
Everyone on this forum really haven't got a clue as to what is going on with these kids. I am their neighbor and I see and hear so mch of what is going on. I am their neighbor in he 5000 block of E. Lake Rd. These kids will be here for a long time... they are a great family. you should get to know them before you jump on the bandwagon and bash them. I stood on my patio Saturday during and after this "incident". Mr. Whitley and the dogs approached this woman and her dog; the dogs sniffed at her dog. A silver Volvo pulled up and the woman refused a ride iitially but eventuall got in after Mr. Whitley suggested that she did. I am no eavesdropper, but I could certainly hear Mr. Whitley call the Sheriff's dept. Two Sheriffs came, one being the canine unit. The canine Sheriff came back again and I could hear him tell Mr. Whitle and Ms. Corcoran that the walker assured him that the dogs were merely sniffing her dogs in a curious manner and weren't threatening. It's crazy to me that every time these kids bring their dogs outside, they get harassed. Dangerous dog tickets for incidents where if it were any other dog, nothing would happen! These kids do have cameras on their property; you can see the inferred at nighttime You people act like everything gets swept under the rug, but did you ever stop to think that their cameras do tell all and the situations are being misreported? I am sure one of the eight or so cameras got footage of Saturday's event and I really do feel that if this woman attempts to continue on with a fabrication, eventually she will be prosecuted too. These false reports have to get prosecuted, it's the law. I really encourage you all to know them before ou speak and jump on the badwagon. Our kids and cats play around and with them and they truly are a nice family.


Now that is some funny stuff.

Posted by: Blue Sky

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 09:31 PM

I may be naive, but why would anyone need eight infrared cameras guarding their home?? And I'm also confused ..... if the dog was "only sniffing" the lady's dog, why would he suggest she get in the car and why would he call the police??????
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 09:38 PM

You are not naive, there are no cameras, there is no judicial misconduct or FBI. These are words DIRECTLY FROM THE SCUMBAGS MOUTH, he's yelled them in court, at town board meetings, in his front yard. He doesnt have the mental capability or capacity to have a civil conversation with anyone ESPECIALLY a police officer. Hell, he can barely get out understandable sentences most of the time without throwing insults, f bombs and racial slurs. FIVE dogs charged this woman and her dog. They are an uncontrollable dangerous pack. There are NO neighbors who like this "family" not one.
Posted by: marlboronymom

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 09:42 PM

EXACTLY!!!! I do not understand WHY Judge Case and/or Seneca County's Animal Welfare Officer haven't at least ordered them to put up a fence. Is it just me or does it seem like Frank dropped the ball with that one.

Being a pet owner is a big responsibility and from what I have seen/heard Mr. Whitley and Ms. Corcorhan have not been very responsible dog owners/breeders. Nor have they been considerate towards their neighbors. That property isn't that big. They could easily get a few rolls of that 50ft green fencing and some post to create a fenced in area for the dogs! (probably spend around $100.)
Posted by: marlboronymom

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 09:46 PM

Hey J..don't ya just LOVE the "I live in the 5000 block on ELR". How long is that block?! It's like from Reeder's Creek
(who was that named after again?! LOL!!! )down past Deal Rd.. That's a good 2- 3 miles isn't?!
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 09:47 PM

;\)
Posted by: Ovidian

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 10:03 PM

Originally Posted By: marlboronymom
EXACTLY!!!! I do not understand WHY Judge Case and/or Seneca County's Animal Welfare Officer haven't at least ordered them to put up a fence. Is it just me or does it seem like Frank dropped the ball with that one.

Being a pet owner is a big responsibility and from what I have seen/heard Mr. Whitley and Ms. Corcorhan have not been very responsible dog owners/breeders. Nor have they been considerate towards their neighbors. That property isn't that big. They could easily get a few rolls of that 50ft green fencing and some post to create a fenced in area for the dogs! (probably spend around $100.)
Pits aren't pets. Neither are lions and tigers. Same same.
Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 10:07 PM

Quote:
Pits aren't pets. Neither are lions and tigers. Same same.


Dogs are dogs the breed doesn't matter. It's the owners that make or break the dog!!!!!!
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 10:37 PM

Quote:
Pits aren't pets. Neither are lions and tigers. Same same.


oh now yer bustin my balls Ovi..<grin> I beg to differ. But I will give you that some [INSERT BREED HERE] are not pets because STUPID PEOPLE RUIN THEM.
Posted by: Ovidian

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 10:39 PM

Yes I see disfigurement, maiming, and death by beagle numbers have been steadily increasing. Breed does matter. There is truth to what you say about owners though. Unfortunatley alot of people that seek out this breed are a-holes. Note that I said alot and not all. I'm sure there are some responsible tiger owners out there as well.
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 11:11 PM



Quote:
I'm sure there are some responsible tiger owners out there as well.


Its not nice to make coffee come out my nose! LOL you crack me up. Death by beagle? lets talk about the Labrador that bit his owners face off while she was so high on prescription drugs she didn't even know it till hours later.

I hear ya. It's gettin pretty ugly out there. Some breeds are more work than others and there are lots of lazy people out there that want the extreme dog without the extreme work. It's very disheartening.
Posted by: AbuDhabi

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/15/08 11:54 PM

Originally Posted By: flbuldog
lets talk about the Labrador that bit his owners face off while she was so high on prescription drugs she didn't even know it till hours later.


He was just trying to get her into rehab...
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 02:57 AM

It's those hard drugs again. Probably Prozac. If she'd been using cannabis, maybe she wouldn't have been such an insufferable flamer as to cause her dog to try to take her head off, piece by piece.
Posted by: marlboronymom

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 09:27 AM

Originally Posted By: flbuldog


Quote:
I'm sure there are some responsible tiger owners out there as well.


Its not nice to make coffee come out my nose! LOL you crack me up. Death by beagle? lets talk about the Labrador that bit his owners face off while she was so high on prescription drugs she didn't even know it till hours later.

I hear ya. It's gettin pretty ugly out there. Some breeds are more work than others and there are lots of lazy people out there that want the extreme dog without the extreme work. It's very disheartening.




Is it just me flbuldog, or does it seem like this couple on ELR are getting away with a ton of $#!+ that you or I wouldn't be allowed to get away with?! If either of us had an aggressive dog that got out ( note I said dog, not pack like those dim wits have) the AWO,ACO,DG or "whom ever" is in charge would be all over us! (Can't even begin to imagine what would happen if one attempted to attack a person and cause them to climb up a telephone pole.)



But I guess that is the difference between running a legitimate animal rescue group vs being an irresponsible individual who has no consideration for their neighbors.
Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 09:49 AM

Originally Posted By: Ovidian
Yes I see disfigurement, maiming, and death by beagle numbers have been steadily increasing. Breed does matter. There is truth to what you say about owners though. Unfortunatley alot of people that seek out this breed are a-holes. Note that I said alot and not all. I'm sure there are some responsible tiger owners out there as well.


I have to agree with you on that point and it's those people who give the breed a bad name. Any breed has the potential to be vicious if made to behave that way. Right now the breed choice is the Pit...past years it has been ...

Rottweilers
German Shepherds
Huskies
Alaskan Malamutes
Doberman Pinschers
Chow Chows
Great Danes
St. Bernards
Akitas

Should all those breeds be done away with too?
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 10:17 AM

Originally Posted By: flbuldog


Quote:
I'm sure there are some responsible tiger owners out there as well.


Its not nice to make coffee come out my nose! LOL you crack me up. Death by beagle? lets talk about the Labrador that bit his owners face off while she was so high on prescription drugs she didn't even know it till hours later.

I hear ya. It's gettin pretty ugly out there. Some breeds are more work than others and there are lots of lazy people out there that want the extreme dog without the extreme work. It's very disheartening.




Hell....there was someone I went to school with who was high on drugs and shot himself in the roof of the mouth and never even knew it until the next day. How nuts is that?
Posted by: DogsRPpl2

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 10:22 AM

I have to say, that as I was reading the beginning of this post, I was glad to see that the focus was on the owner and not the dogs. However, as with most pitbull stories, it always turns into the dogs fault. Anyone who has done their research on Pitbulls will know that these animals are one of the most people pleasing breeds you can find. They do what they are told to do....by humans! Any animal can be MADE to be vicious. I am so sick and tired of the ignorance surrounding this breed. Most of the people that I meet that say they hate pitbulls have never even met one, and as soon as they do, their opinions quickly change.
Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 10:50 AM

I have one of the sweetest pits that we rescued 2 yrs ago she was 6 months old then. She can't do enough to make people happy and her tail well actually her whole body never stops wagging. We recently had a kitten adopt us and she right away started to mother it never having pups of her own. She's so vicious.



Posted by: DogsRPpl2

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 11:04 AM

I rescued a Pit bull mix from Beverly Animal Shelter last October, she is the light of my life. I swear, she would go to work so I could sit home all day if my boss would let her. I don't know how'd she'd type with out thumbs though \:\) I would attach a picture, but I do not know how to do that. But any of those people who remember Dottie from the Bervely Animal shelter, that is my dog, her name is Mya now.
Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 11:10 AM

I would rescue another Pitbull in a heartbeat if the budget allowed it. She has brought a lot of happiness and laughter to us. I swear she is mixed with cat if I didnt know better.



These dogs don't want to do the things they are forced to by ignorant owners. I wish others would just understand that!!!
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 12:32 PM

Originally Posted By: aaddgg
Everyone on this forum really haven't got a clue as to what is going on with these kids. I am their neighbor and I see and hear so mch of what is going on. I am their neighbor in he 5000 block of E. Lake Rd. These kids will be here for a long time... they are a great family. you should get to know them before you jump on the bandwagon and bash them. I stood on my patio Saturday during and after this "incident". Mr. Whitley and the dogs approached this woman and her dog; the dogs sniffed at her dog. A silver Volvo pulled up and the woman refused a ride iitially but eventuall got in after Mr. Whitley suggested that she did. I am no eavesdropper, but I could certainly hear Mr. Whitley call the Sheriff's dept. Two Sheriffs came, one being the canine unit. The canine Sheriff came back again and I could hear him tell Mr. Whitle and Ms. Corcoran that the walker assured him that the dogs were merely sniffing her dogs in a curious manner and weren't threatening. It's crazy to me that every time these kids bring their dogs outside, they get harassed. Dangerous dog tickets for incidents where if it were any other dog, nothing would happen! These kids do have cameras on their property; you can see the inferred at nighttime You people act like everything gets swept under the rug, but did you ever stop to think that their cameras do tell all and the situations are being misreported? I am sure one of the eight or so cameras got footage of Saturday's event and I really do feel that if this woman attempts to continue on with a fabrication, eventually she will be prosecuted too. These false reports have to get prosecuted, it's the law. I really encourage you all to know them before ou speak and jump on the badwagon. Our kids and cats play around and with them and they truly are a nice family.


Are you the neighbor that is related to these people?
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 12:46 PM

Their(her) relatives live in the 4000 block (lol) about 3/4's+ of a mile away. Trust me that was typed by MR. WHITLESS himself or his woman.. she's the only literate one.
Posted by: Shalom

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 12:51 PM

You can't possibly live on East Lake Road in the town of Varick, next to THESE dog owners.

I, too, have had encounters with this man and with some of his dogs and there is nothing nice about any of them.

I will fully support any action that will lead to the removal of these animals from that property.

If someone has already contacted one of the TV stations, please state so here. Otherwise, I would be happy to do so!
Posted by: Shalom

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 12:53 PM

I agree with Jellshot - that post must have been done by the dog owner!
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 02:13 PM

Maybe they should be considerate to their neighbors and dogs and get invisible fencing.
Posted by: GGirl

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 02:33 PM

With all the money she has spent on camera's maybe she could buy a fence to inclose her yard. If they want to bread dogs at least buy a house with alot of land around it, so you are not interfering with your neighbors.
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 02:37 PM

She's supposedly an engineer maybe she can whip up a nice fence for the yard. How many dogs does currently have? Does she breed these dogs for sale? If she does, it would make more sense to keep these animals with kennels and runs for each individual dog.
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 02:45 PM

Actually they own 4 acres of property, mostly woods straight out back of their house.
Posted by: GGirl

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 02:50 PM

So why don't they keep the dogs out back.
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 02:51 PM

Why would anyone want to let their dogs run loose in the first place? Again, are these people breeders or are these just pets?
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 03:30 PM

aaddgg......keep your freaken dog on a leash like everyone else does. This rule applies to everyone. People should not be afraid to come out of their house. Children should not be afraid to play......Your dogs are a fear to the neighborhood. DO THE RIGHT THING!!!!Do you get it yet? Your neighbors hate you....what more do you want.
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 03:33 PM

Basically......it will be hard to tell which neighbor shot your dog.
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 04:18 PM

VARICK - A pit bull breeder was cited over the weekend after an incident on East Lake Road and is scheduled to be in court tomorrow night.

Six loose dogs licensed to Shannon Corcoran reportedly charged at a pedestrian walking her dog nearby Saturday. A passing motorist came to her aid.

Dorothy Comerford, dog control officer for Seneca Falls, Fayette and Tyre, is filling in for John Vincent of Varick and issued a dangerous dog citation to Corcoran.

Corcoran is scheduled to appear before Justice Frank Case at 7 p.m. Thursday. On Monday evening, about 15 people met with Supervisor Bob Hayssen and Undersheriff Wayne Brewer at town hall to demand immediate action.

Last July, a similar incident caused the impoundment of a breeding sire owned by Robert Whitley Jr., who lives with Corcoran. That dog, an unneutered 4- to 5-year-old buff-colored pit bull named Blue, has been at the Beverly Animal Shelter in Waterloo since he sent a pedestrian scrambling onto a cluster of mailboxes Shelter staff said Tuesday that a court order would allow Whitley to reclaim Blue if he consented to having him neutered and “micro-chipped” so he can be traced if missing. Whitley was jailed for contempt of court after losing his temper during a hearing last summer.

Shelter owner Dallyn Jenkins said Blue is a “really nice dog.” Pit bulls can be good family pets for responsible owners; many of the dozens taken in each year at the River Road shelter have been rescued from abusive or out-of-control situations.

An American Pit Bull Terrier, generally considered synonymous with an American Staffordshire Terrier, has a heavily muscled body and jaw, enabling it to deliver severe bite damage to human or animal targets if not carefully controlled. They are very territorial.

The Beverly Shelter has successfully placed many pit bulls after doing a home visit, and followup visits are made. When pit bulls are running loose together, the pack mentality quickly takes over, she said.

That is what has Whitley and Corcoran's East Lake Road neighbors on edge. There are believed to be as many as 20 dogs at the couple's home at any given time.

Comerford noted that Whitley is known to let the dogs out after he thinks area children dropped off by school buses have had time to reach their homes.

“If they would just put up a fence, everything would be fine,” Jenkins said.

fltimes@fltimes.com



Looks to me like what the neighbors are saying is true. Hmmm......and.....he loses control in the courtroom and was arrested for contempt. Yea I want that neighbor to be mine.
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 04:48 PM

I agree with the article. Pits can make fine pets, but must be respected, and handled with common sense. The pack mentality will easily take over, and an owner must recognize that, and manage the dog closely. A fence would solve the problem, but the owner disregards public safety. To manage and train any dog, you've got to be smarter than the dog, and use common sense, particularly with large breeds.

I've got a rott/lab and a rott/shepard, and I'd NEVER think of letting them wander.

I've got a large "beware the dog" sign, clearly visible when you walk or drive up to my house. I've got an electric horse fence and charger (not an "invisible" fence), which some dogs will treat as if it's not there.

As long as I'm there, and am friendly with a visitor, my dogs are the friendliest, nicest dogs in the world; they'll lick you to death, and love it when we get a visitor. But, they ARE very territorial; they're very friendly, but will guard THEIR PLACE, and mine, in the bargain. They've accepted me as Alpha animal, and share their place with me, LOL.

The farm fence not only keeps my dogs in, but keeps strange dogs out, unlike an "invisible" fence, which is a good thing for all dogs which might be involved, including mine; a territorial dog will often take on something it can't handle. There's not much of a training curve with that fence (again, it has a horse-strength charger, not a weaker one designed for the average pooch); once a dog touches it once, you could turn it off, and the dog would still be afraid of it.

I can walk along outside of it, doing yard work, say, and they'll follow along inside of it, and never come within 2 feet of it, even if it's off.

It's much cheaper than a solid fence, and I can easily move it, as I sometimes do, when they've worn too much of a perimeter path in the grass, right inside of it.

It goes all the way around the house, and about an acre of yard, and encloses all my doors, except for the garage door, giving them about an acre to run in; I like being able to let them out whenever they desire, with no worries.

In warm weather, when I'm gone, one house door is always open, so they can guard the basement garage entry, and also do their business, with the garage outer door bing closed, When it's cold, I keep them inside, where they can get to any door, or window.

The UPS guys know to leave stuff outside the fence, in a plastic bag, and I have't had a Jehovah at my door in a wonderfully long time. What's not to like?

All of this is to say that that pit owner could manage his dogs; he just chooses not to, and he should be slapped down hard for his disregard for other people, and for his dogs. When considering a pack of pits, it's not just a matter of being considerate to your neighbors, but can be a life and death issue.


Someone on this thread said something to the effect that weirdos often keep pits. I agree, although all pit owners are certainly not whacko people.

There is a certain type of weak, insecure person who gets off on the power of his powerful, dominating dog, and with intimidating people through that dog; I've got this guy, whom I don't know, marked as one of those idiot whackjobs.

Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 04:53 PM

You know ... I bet you could start a side job installing these for people.
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 05:40 PM

Installation is easy, for anyone. The posts are 4'x 5/16" fiberglass, with pointed bottoms; you just pust them in, The corners, which take the strain, are steel, with a triangular welded piece to push down your foot on.

The cord is cheap, and is poly, with a thin aluminum conductor. I've got the charger in the basement, and drilled a hole in the block for the ground wire and the lead, which simply connect to the charger with thumb nuts. The ground is merely a copper or steel rod driven into the ground, a few feet from the house, so that it's in damp earth. During a drought, just water the rod ocassionally. The lead connects to the poly by wrapping the bare copper around the poly a few times, forming a corkscrew, which can be easily unwrapped and disconnected.

Maintanence involves either moving the fence to an adjacent, newly mowed strip, or poisoning the grass under the fence with a sprayer, in a 1' strip, which is what I do. Testers are cheap, or you can just touch it. That's kind of a thrill, but it won't hurt you. It's sharp, jolting, very high voltage, but low-amp shock, but not actually painful.

If a herd of deer go after my apples, and run through the fence, I just tie in new pieces of cord. The fact that the cord is actually that weak reassures me that if the dogs ever did get tangled in it, they could break it. I use 3 strand, instead of mesh, to make it more asily breakable, replaceable, and because it would be harder to get entangled in than mesh.

I look at the perimeter every few days, to make sure no branches have blown down on it which would ground it. The dogs never seem to notice it when this happens. Anyway, they are afraid of it, and don't even know that it has been off for 6 months.

Where it crosses my blacktop, to my railed front porch and steps, I put the posts in coffee cans full of concrete.

When I want to move the mower from one side to the other, I just pull a couple of posts, lay the fence down, drive the tractor across, and shove the posts back in. I can also move the last post on my parking lot and drive through the "gate".

When I want to cross it while walking, I step across, but could also put my rubber or plastic-soled shoe on the cords, and press it down to ground, even if it's charged. I put a few of the yard posts in cans of concrete to make properly tensioning the cords easy.

There's not much inconvenience at all, the dogs don't get killed leaving my blind driveway on rte 89, and they don't run deer. It's portable, so it can't be assessed, and I like the fact that it's visually unabstrusive, even where it crosses the yard, from the lot perimeter to the front of the house.

If I want to change the enclosure, or configuration, it's easy. If I move, I can take it with me. If I leave the dogs at a friend's house while I vacation, I can set it up there easily. Love it.
Posted by: theEpost

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 05:44 PM

Originally Posted By: aaddgg
Everyone on this forum really haven't got a clue as to what is going on with these kids. I am their neighbor and I see and hear so mch of what is going on. I am their neighbor in he 5000 block of E. Lake Rd. These kids will be here for a long time... they are a great family. you should get to know them before you jump on the bandwagon and bash them. I stood on my patio Saturday during and after this "incident". Mr. Whitley and the dogs approached this woman and her dog; the dogs sniffed at her dog. A silver Volvo pulled up and the woman refused a ride iitially but eventuall got in after Mr. Whitley suggested that she did. I am no eavesdropper, but I could certainly hear Mr. Whitley call the Sheriff's dept. Two Sheriffs came, one being the canine unit. The canine Sheriff came back again and I could hear him tell Mr. Whitle and Ms. Corcoran that the walker assured him that the dogs were merely sniffing her dogs in a curious manner and weren't threatening. It's crazy to me that every time these kids bring their dogs outside, they get harassed. Dangerous dog tickets for incidents where if it were any other dog, nothing would happen! These kids do have cameras on their property; you can see the inferred at nighttime You people act like everything gets swept under the rug, but did you ever stop to think that their cameras do tell all and the situations are being misreported? I am sure one of the eight or so cameras got footage of Saturday's event and I really do feel that if this woman attempts to continue on with a fabrication, eventually she will be prosecuted too. These false reports have to get prosecuted, it's the law. I really encourage you all to know them before ou speak and jump on the badwagon. Our kids and cats play around and with them and they truly are a nice family.


http://www.myspace.com/robbiedenero

Yes, you're a very caring, loving individual who is just besotted by this breed of dog. You're so besotted you tie a ROPE around a pups neck and breed these animals over and over again.

You're against dog fighting and nearly all of the images on your page show vicious dogs. You have a thing that says 'ban stupid people, not breeds' and yet it's people like YOU that help give the breed such a bad rap.

http://vid195.photobucket.com/albums/z43/Denero007/?action=view¤t=f17d7934.pbr


By the way folks... feel free to contact this jerk at his e-mail address. Which is guarenteedgame@excite.com & Let's all cross our fingers that someday these dogs turn on him, as dogs trained to be vicious sometimes do.
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 05:48 PM

I hate that pic, and love my fence. When my dogs want to go out, day or night, I just let them out; unless I'm walking them in public, they're never on a tether.
Posted by: theEpost

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 06:07 PM

I agree. We have a fenced in area for ours that we put them in for a few hours a day when the weather is nice. The only reason we even have the fenced area is because we're afraid one might get hit by a car. Most of the time they are inside, though.
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 06:18 PM

I'm a real dog lover. They sleep on my bed. and we are socialized as a pack. I give them a tiny portion of whatever I'm eating, except for such things as candy, chocolate, onions, grapes, etc.. They always want to be NEXT to me, and the 2 vie for that position; when I'm on the computer, or even on the john, they want to be at, or ON, my feet. They'd die for me, I think.

Great dogs; the 2 get along well with the cat; all three are always head-butting, nuzzling, and licking each other, and me.
Posted by: queenbee

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 07:39 PM

Unfortunately when someone is maimed by one of his dogs it is the dog that will be put down when in all actuallity it should be the owner. I have had first hand experience with the damage a pit bull can do and it was done "ON COMMAND" from his "HUMAN" owner. The dog was put down after the trial and the human got 8 yrs. in state prison,he will be out in about 3 more yrs. He trained this dog to follow Eye movement as well as verbal commmands. The victim is scarred for life but she has made the best of it, she's still beautiful. If the dogs are out of their yard and you are in fear you have every right to defend yourself and shooting them is justified. If they get to you as a pack you will die.
Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 07:47 PM

In my opinion and I'm sure others using nylon rope around a 8 week old or so puppy would be abuse. Maybe these pictures should be shown to the right people. He cant say it's a one time thing, every puppy has that nylon rope around its neck

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cf...&albumId=172453
Posted by: snoopy

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 08:24 PM

If there really are cameras on the property let the public see just what happened on Saturday morning.... From what I am hearing the dog owner was over heard saying he didn't have control of his own dogs!! Now thats comforting to anyone who lives by there or walks or rides by!!!!
Posted by: thefarside

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 08:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Jelloshot
Trust me we are not just sitting around doing nothing, and not only are these peole charged at/attacked by this pack of dogs , they are then verbally assaulted by the SCUM BAG owner, either as it happens or later in court. It is ALWAYS everyone elses fault, never his.

and I am more than open for suggestions on how you would "take back" other than through proper channels.


People have been bitten by these dog?
Posted by: avalon

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 09:29 PM

People can breed nasty/visious/unhappy dogs two ways. One way is taking two really nasty dogs and intentionally breeding them together, to create an even nastier dog or taking two dogs and not knowing or recognizing the bad temperament of
one or the other(or both) and breeding them. Behavior is hereditary.

Isn't that why there are so many pit bulls out there? Think of our current society.For a century they have been bred as fighting dogs, before that they were" pitted" against bulls in a gaming blood sport. It's what the PEOPLE do to create these dogs. It's either intentional or carelessness! Labs that are vicious are a result of very, very poor breeding practices.
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 09:53 PM

"it is the dog that will be put down"

That's what I had in mind here:

"he should be slapped down hard for his disregard....for his dogs."

"If they get to you as a pack you will die."

That's what I meant here:

"When considering a pack of pits, it's not just a matter of being considerate to your neighbors, but can be a life and death issue."

In my life, I've been bitten five times, on 2 occasions by one Dalmatian, and on 3 occasions by 2 large breed crosses, and never by a pit. Once around the wrist and hand, once around the forearm, once on the triceps, near the armpit, and once high on the upper inside of each leg, near the crotch. Deep puncture wounds in each case; in muscle in all cases, and in the 1st 2, right down to the bone.

I've got a pretty good idea what damage a dog can do. ANY dog can and might bite, and the bigger breeds can do the most and quickest damage; the difference with pits is that they often don't break off the attack; they don't quit, where most dogs will, after they've made their point.


Posted by: reilley

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 10:26 PM

this afternoon, I saw this guy, walking his dog, it was a Pit, (I for one don't like Pits I was bit by one) anyways ,I was in the van and they went walking by and flying off the porch of this house was 2 little white dogs, no clue what they were but could have been a snack. The pwner of the 2 little white things when flying also. The Pit just stood there and they were all sniffing each other and the Pit was just wagging what little tail he had. The pwner of the Pit was trying to pull the Pit to keep walking but nope, the Pit wanted to Play . The owner of the white dogs finally caught them and scooped them up and only then did the Pit start walking again.
I was impressed ,really, that Pit could have done what ever but the owner , has taught his dog very well.
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 10:53 PM

Could be he taught the dog well, but then again, it wouldn't obey its owner, and stayed put; it had a mind of its own.

I think it's more likely that the pit just had a good temperment, as most do, and also that the pit didn't feel threatened. Most of the time, a pit isn't a problem, as most rotts or shepards aren't. But, if there is a problem, it can be a very major one, very suddenly, in the case of any large dog.

It's very important to select a pit that's bred well, to train it, and to supervise it, as that owner was doing. Not only that, but he was socializing it to humans, by spending time with it, and teaching it that the human is boss, by using a leash in public.

A dog can be, in some situations, more dangerous than a handgun, which will sit very nicely in a drawer forever, not do anything wrong, and never develop an attitude. A dog, you've got to spend time with; you've got to bond with it, and teach it.

You've got to realize that it's got a little doggy mind of it's own, and you can never be entirely certain what it's going to do, unless, in some way, you have firm control of its potential actions. Many owners don't think about that enough.

"Aw, my dog would never hurt anyone!" just doesn't get it.
Posted by: AbuDhabi

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 11:54 PM

Originally Posted By: VM Smith
I've got a rott/lab and a rott/shepard...


Wow - sounds intriguing. Got any idea how they are with kids and strange dogs?
Posted by: AbuDhabi

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/16/08 11:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Yetta Nother
That dog, an unneutered 4- to 5-year-old buff-colored pit bull named Blue, has been at the Beverly Animal Shelter in Waterloo since he sent a pedestrian scrambling onto a cluster of mailboxes Shelter staff said Tuesday that a court order would allow Whitley to reclaim Blue if he consented to having him neutered and “micro-chipped” so he can be traced if missing. Whitley was jailed for contempt of court after losing his temper during a hearing last summer.


Micro-chipped? How about strapping a bomb on him that can be detonated remotely? Works for Jihadists...
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 12:49 AM

They're great with kids. As with ANY dog, I wouldn't leave them alone with a SMALL child.

With strange dogs, you never can tell. That's why you have to be smarter than the dog, and always know that they're large male dogs, and that they, or another dog, might start something if they're not controlled and watched.

I do know that during the 3 years when Kraut left his male Dalmation here when he went on the road for construction, there was no problem once they'd established the pecking order, which took all of a day. After that, he was accepted into the pack.

After that, mine spent most of their time trying to screw the Dal., even though they were all castrated. The Dalmatian seemed to like that; dogs are just so sexual that they'll take it any way they can get it, I guess. Then they'd lie down and sleep together. I didn't allow them to smoke after, though.

Other than that, because I don't let them wander, they haven't been around many other dogs, really. They'll want to run over to another dog when I walk them on a leash, either to play, screw, of fight, I never know which, because I won't let them get near, unless I know the other person, and then they usually just sniff butt, and sometimes try to pee on the other dog, it they think they can get away with it. Once in a while either they, or another dog will growl, but a jerk on the choke collar will tone them down.

They bark at the neighbor's boxer bitches, but they might be just asking for a date, and strutting and putting their maleness on display, for all I know. After all, they'll bark briefly when a truck goes by, or the other neighbor goes up his drive. Just watching the neighborhood for me, I think.

Just good ol' mutts. The older, rott/shep is the most loyal. he was abused as a young dog, and finally his owner moved and left him tied in the back yard. He was rescued by the Beverly, which had the owner arrested for abandonment, spent a year there, and I got him when he was 3. He's just thrilled to have a yard and house of his own, and an owner who loves him, and he shows it in every way. He's about 95 lbs, and has rott markings, but they're tan, like a shepherd's, and his muzzle is proportionately longer than a rott's. If I'd had his ears pinned up, his head would look like a shepherd's.

The other one's a nice dog, too, He knew his mother and father and their nice owners for 8 weeks, and then me, so he's spoiled. He's the beta dog, even though he can whip the older one. You know how somw players just want the ball? That's the older one.

He's beautiful, though. He looks like a lab, but is 100 lbs, and has the mahogany rott markings, and a beautiful, stout, long, very feathery tail, which rotts would have if owners didn't mutilate them.

Having 2 dogs can be a pain. For instance, if I see a puddle of urine in the basement, I never know which did it. and I can't punish the innocent, so they're harder to train, although they never do it in the upstairs.

On the other hand, by having two of them, I've learned more about dog pschology than I ever knew, and really enjoy them, and they enjoy each other.
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 07:41 AM

Originally Posted By: reilley
this afternoon, I saw this guy, walking his dog, it was a Pit, (I for one don't like Pits I was bit by one) anyways ,I was in the van and they went walking by and flying off the porch of this house was 2 little white dogs, no clue what they were but could have been a snack. The pwner of the 2 little white things when flying also. The Pit just stood there and they were all sniffing each other and the Pit was just wagging what little tail he had. The pwner of the Pit was trying to pull the Pit to keep walking but nope, the Pit wanted to Play . The owner of the white dogs finally caught them and scooped them up and only then did the Pit start walking again.
I was impressed ,really, that Pit could have done what ever but the owner , has taught his dog very well.



Those little white dogs are Westies and they are behind/controlled by an invisible fence, plus there is a Westie breeder just a few more houses down the road.
Now I GURANATEE Mr. Whitless will use his little walk as an example of what fine well behaved dog he has, and how EVERYONE else’s dogs are out of control in the neighborhood. Mark my words on that boys and girls. His dog(s) might be well behaved when they are alone and leashed, but when lose and in a pack of two or more.... not so much.
Posted by: thefarside

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 07:53 AM

Originally Posted By: avalon
People can breed nasty/visious/unhappy dogs two ways. One way is taking two really nasty dogs and intentionally breeding them together, to create an even nastier dog or taking two dogs and not knowing or recognizing the bad temperament of
one or the other(or both) and breeding them. Behavior is hereditary.

Isn't that why there are so many pit bulls out there? Think of our current society.For a century they have been bred as fighting dogs, before that they were" pitted" against bulls in a gaming blood sport. It's what the PEOPLE do to create these dogs. It's either intentional or carelessness! Labs that are vicious are a result of very, very poor breeding practices.






You miss my Question " have people been bitten by these dog?"
Posted by: AbuDhabi

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 08:02 AM

Originally Posted By: VM Smith
...and then they usually just sniff butt, and sometimes try to pee on the other dog, it they think they can get away with it.


Sounds a lot like the people I work with.

Thanks for the info!
Posted by: AbuDhabi

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 08:09 AM

Originally Posted By: thefarside
You miss my Question " have people been bitten by these dog?"


They've been terrified by "these dog".

Dogs are not innocent until proven guilty. Dogs are not people. Dogs do not have constitutional rights.

Dogs do not have judgment. Dogs do not have good sense -- or bad sense.

Dogs are animals that must be controlled by their owners. If the owners won't control them, they shouldn't have them.
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 08:34 AM

I'm honestly not sure of any actual bites.. but it is irrelevant. Being treed and firing off two or three shots to scare them, and they didnt get scared, put up on a mailbox post while jogging by, having to run into oncoming traffic while getting charged at by 4-5 while just walking down the road..(at least 2 people) being cornered on your own property by three and backed into a garage... want me to go on?
Posted by: theEpost

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 09:02 AM

Originally Posted By: VM Smith
They're great with kids. As with ANY dog, I wouldn't leave them alone with a SMALL child.

With strange dogs, you never can tell. That's why you have to be smarter than the dog, and always know that they're large male dogs, and that they, or another dog, might start something if they're not controlled and watched.



Exactly! One time there was a 4 year old at our house and my while my dog didn't bark or growl when being taunted by the child, I could tell he was getting a bit excited/anxious and removed him from the situation (which I had been keeping a close eye on).

He also acts aggressive when strangers knock at the door. So, he's put in another room before the door is opened. I doubt he'd bite, but the person on the other side of the door doesn't know that. I don't know what his deal with the door is. I've tried to break him of it, but then again... it is nice to know if someone ever tried to break in, they'd think twice about it!

That same dog is so insanely smart, too. He knows eight different voice commands (shake, sit, stay, down, 'give me a hug', up, 'hey!' (another command for sit), and 'do you have to go out?'. He's also trained to sit, shake, lay down on snap/hand commands. I just snap a finger and point down and he'll sit. Do it a gain, he lays, etc. He loves learning new commands. It also helps to reassert that I am the boss.

It's called being a responsible pet owner and keeping your pet in check. I was at a friend of the families house a few weeks ago and they had a golden retriever who liked to bite your hands. The dog was never taught not to, because when it was a puppy, a bit of biting wasn't a big deal to them. Now it's almost an adult and it's still doing it. I just kept thinking-'Give me an hour alone with this dog and we will break this habit real fast.'
Posted by: thefarside

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 09:29 AM

Originally Posted By: Jelloshot
I'm honestly not sure of any actual bites.. but it is irrelevant. Being treed and firing off two or three shots to scare them, and they didnt get scared, put up on a mailbox post while jogging by, having to run into oncoming traffic while getting charged at by 4-5 while just walking down the road..(at least 2 people) being cornered on your own property by three and backed into a garage... want me to go on?


What!!!!! you discharged a weapon next to all those houses, what right do you have to do that?... thats a crime just like having mad dogs that bite.
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 09:34 AM

NO, I did nothing of the kind , nor would I, it was not me that was treed, and it was NOT on East lake road or near any homes, the dogs had run loose up in the fields behind ELR and treed someone hunting.
nice try though.
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 09:35 AM

Farside....our friend discharged his weapon while in the woods hunting. He was cornered by 2 of them and shot off a couple of rounds to scare them as he did not know who the dogs belonged to. This did not happen on East Lake Rd...however just off ELR. Their are woods out there and yes you can hunt them.
Posted by: thefarside

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 09:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Jelloshot
NO, I did nothing of the kind , nor would I, it was not me that was treed, and it was NOT on East lake road or near any homes, the dogs had run loose up in the fields behind ELR and treed someone hunting.
nice try though.


So who fired the rounds off to scare the dogs, the hunter in the tree or his partner on the ground?
Posted by: APBTowner

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 09:58 AM

We would like to apologize to our family and friends for the salacious lies and rumors that have been circulated. The situation will be resolved justly and expediently. We aren’t afraid, we are Righteous and we will prove everything in court. Anyone trying to damage our family, our property, and our name will be crushed.
We have been discriminated against since we moved onto E. Lake Rd. It is evident that the black guy, with his white girlfriend, mixed kids, and American Pit Bull Terriers are not welcome by the racists and bigots in Varick. But we aren’t going anywhere.
We have been discriminated against by the town, by the board, by the county law enforcement and D.A.’s office, and now, a higher authority is taking matters into their hands under the Color of Law. Video and audio recordings don’t lie… they continue to prove our point and innocence each and every time. We have welcomed anyone with concerns to come meet our dogs. Those that have taken us up on our offer have left with a wonderful impression of our dogs and their handling. It is unfortunate that all of Varick is getting lumped into the precedence being set by the town officials of allowing discriminatory and racially unjust actions to continue. My boyfriend has been called “boy”, we have been told “you and your dogs won’t be here long”, and we have been physically and verbally harassed; this is what the town of Varick allows. Firearms have been fired at puppies and children! And the town covers it up, and nothing is done about it! So now we have gone above the town… and each and every person that feels the need to maliciously lie, invite malevolence to our address and defame our family and our family name will be included. We have a newspaper that will readily print a one sided story, not even attempt to contact us, and plaster it front page. This, too, will be rectified, as we hope the newspaper has enough sense to obtain our story as well. We know our boy Blue will be coming home to us soon, just as he left us. His time at the Beverly Center has only proven to anyone who questioned his temperament, that he is an amazing dog that is wonderfully friendly, to people, cats and man’s best friend. We thank the Beverly Center for the wonderful care being given to our boy Blue. Critics will always blame an owner when a dog is thought to be ill-mannered; but here we have a specimen of what we train and breed our dogs to be like. A well mannered, socialized, curious, playful American Pit Bull Terrier with grand champion, ADBA bloodline. Our dogs do pull carts and sleds full of children around the yard and they are trained to hunt fowl and small game animals (rabbits, squirrels).
It is about time that the town of Varick takes a good look at what is really going on here. A man is allowed to discharge firearms around small children nothing is done! A hearing is conducted with the key witness not present and prosecuted by someone without legal authority to do so, with the burden of proof not proven! Legal procedures are ignored and broken when dealing with the black man and his family! You ask why we need surveillance cameras and audio recordings?! This is why… Because our civil rights are being broken and the footage accompanied by the town’s paper trail will only prove this.
We go at this with God, and know that through Him everything and everyone Righteous will prevail. We are not afraid, for we are Righteous.
Posted by: thefarside

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 09:59 AM

Originally Posted By: Yetta Nother
Farside....our friend discharged his weapon while in the woods hunting. He was cornered by 2 of them and shot off a couple of rounds to scare them as he did not know who the dogs belonged to. This did not happen on East Lake Rd...however just off ELR. Their are woods out there and yes you can hunt them.


Babies.... I'm trying to get the facts straight in my head so I can form an opinion.

I'm not trying to pi$$ on or pi$$ anyone off, I was kinda wondering why the County Heath Dept. isn't involved, if these dogs have bitten and attacked all these people?
Posted by: thefarside

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:09 AM


So... what you're saying is, "all this boils down to race", it's not about the dogs.........
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:09 AM

Originally Posted By: APBTowner
We would like to apologize to our family and friends for the salacious lies and rumors that have been circulated. The situation will be resolved justly and expediently. We aren’t afraid, we are Righteous and we will prove everything in court. Anyone trying to damage our family, our property, and our name will be crushed.
We have been discriminated against since we moved onto E. Lake Rd. It is evident that the black guy, with his white girlfriend, mixed kids, and American Pit Bull Terriers are not welcome by the racists and bigots in Varick. But we aren’t going anywhere.
We have been discriminated against by the town, by the board, by the county law enforcement and D.A.’s office, and now, a higher authority is taking matters into their hands under the Color of Law. Video and audio recordings don’t lie… they continue to prove our point and innocence each and every time. We have welcomed anyone with concerns to come meet our dogs. Those that have taken us up on our offer have left with a wonderful impression of our dogs and their handling. It is unfortunate that all of Varick is getting lumped into the precedence being set by the town officials of allowing discriminatory and racially unjust actions to continue. My boyfriend has been called “boy”, we have been told “you and your dogs won’t be here long”, and we have been physically and verbally harassed; this is what the town of Varick allows. Firearms have been fired at puppies and children! And the town covers it up, and nothing is done about it! So now we have gone above the town… and each and every person that feels the need to maliciously lie, invite malevolence to our address and defame our family and our family name will be included. We have a newspaper that will readily print a one sided story, not even attempt to contact us, and plaster it front page. This, too, will be rectified, as we hope the newspaper has enough sense to obtain our story as well. We know our boy Blue will be coming home to us soon, just as he left us. His time at the Beverly Center has only proven to anyone who questioned his temperament, that he is an amazing dog that is wonderfully friendly, to people, cats and man’s best friend. We thank the Beverly Center for the wonderful care being given to our boy Blue. Critics will always blame an owner when a dog is thought to be ill-mannered; but here we have a specimen of what we train and breed our dogs to be like. A well mannered, socialized, curious, playful American Pit Bull Terrier with grand champion, ADBA bloodline. Our dogs do pull carts and sleds full of children around the yard and they are trained to hunt fowl and small game animals (rabbits, squirrels).
It is about time that the town of Varick takes a good look at what is really going on here. A man is allowed to discharge firearms around small children nothing is done! A hearing is conducted with the key witness not present and prosecuted by someone without legal authority to do so, with the burden of proof not proven! Legal procedures are ignored and broken when dealing with the black man and his family! You ask why we need surveillance cameras and audio recordings?! This is why… Because our civil rights are being broken and the footage accompanied by the town’s paper trail will only prove this.
We go at this with God, and know that through Him everything and everyone Righteous will prevail. We are not afraid, for we are Righteous.


Pulling the race card huh?.......Typical.
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:10 AM

"It is evident that the black guy, with his white girlfriend, mixed kids, and American Pit Bull Terriers are not welcome by the racists and bigots in Varick. But we aren’t going anywhere."

Who ever said there was a black guy in the mix? I do not know these people and as far as I am concerned be them white, black, brown, yellow pink purple - everyone should be responsible for their pets. YOUR PET DOES NOT BELONG LOOSE ON THE ROADS OR ON ANYONE OTHER PROPERTY THAN YOUR OWN. IF I HIT AND KILL THIS DOG I WOULD FEEL TERRIBLE. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOU, YOUR PETS AND THE OTHER HUMANS IN THE WORLD WITH YOU AND CONTAIN YOUR PETS!!!!!

You go with GOD on this and "know that through Him everything and everyone Righteous will prevail. We are not afraid, for we are Righteous" Please, get a little more Jesus in your soul and get responsible for all this. Is it righteous to have your neighbors terrified that your RUNNING LOOSE dogs may come after them? I had a neighbor with 3 BIG boxers. They were mean to strangers. They were kept fenced in their OWN YARD! They were never let loose. They were walked by their responsible owners on heavy chains so they would not get loose and hurt people or other animals. These people were responsible pet owners. Teach your friends and family those values and no one will care what they have for pets.

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Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:12 AM

Originally Posted By: Yetta Nother
Originally Posted By: APBTowner
We would like to apologize to our family and friends for the salacious lies and rumors that have been circulated. The situation will be resolved justly and expediently. We aren’t afraid, we are Righteous and we will prove everything in court. Anyone trying to damage our family, our property, and our name will be crushed.
We have been discriminated against since we moved onto E. Lake Rd. It is evident that the black guy, with his white girlfriend, mixed kids, and American Pit Bull Terriers are not welcome by the racists and bigots in Varick. But we aren’t going anywhere.
We have been discriminated against by the town, by the board, by the county law enforcement and D.A.’s office, and now, a higher authority is taking matters into their hands under the Color of Law. Video and audio recordings don’t lie… they continue to prove our point and innocence each and every time. We have welcomed anyone with concerns to come meet our dogs. Those that have taken us up on our offer have left with a wonderful impression of our dogs and their handling. It is unfortunate that all of Varick is getting lumped into the precedence being set by the town officials of allowing discriminatory and racially unjust actions to continue. My boyfriend has been called “boy”, we have been told “you and your dogs won’t be here long”, and we have been physically and verbally harassed; this is what the town of Varick allows. Firearms have been fired at puppies and children! And the town covers it up, and nothing is done about it! So now we have gone above the town… and each and every person that feels the need to maliciously lie, invite malevolence to our address and defame our family and our family name will be included. We have a newspaper that will readily print a one sided story, not even attempt to contact us, and plaster it front page. This, too, will be rectified, as we hope the newspaper has enough sense to obtain our story as well. We know our boy Blue will be coming home to us soon, just as he left us. His time at the Beverly Center has only proven to anyone who questioned his temperament, that he is an amazing dog that is wonderfully friendly, to people, cats and man’s best friend. We thank the Beverly Center for the wonderful care being given to our boy Blue. Critics will always blame an owner when a dog is thought to be ill-mannered; but here we have a specimen of what we train and breed our dogs to be like. A well mannered, socialized, curious, playful American Pit Bull Terrier with grand champion, ADBA bloodline. Our dogs do pull carts and sleds full of children around the yard and they are trained to hunt fowl and small game animals (rabbits, squirrels).
It is about time that the town of Varick takes a good look at what is really going on here. A man is allowed to discharge firearms around small children nothing is done! A hearing is conducted with the key witness not present and prosecuted by someone without legal authority to do so, with the burden of proof not proven! Legal procedures are ignored and broken when dealing with the black man and his family! You ask why we need surveillance cameras and audio recordings?! This is why… Because our civil rights are being broken and the footage accompanied by the town’s paper trail will only prove this.
We go at this with God, and know that through Him everything and everyone Righteous will prevail. We are not afraid, for we are Righteous.


Pulling the race card huh?.......Typical.


I am seriously doubting that anyone has ever fired a gun on your children or your puppies. They dont blame them....just you.
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:13 AM

Originally Posted By: thefarside
Originally Posted By: Jelloshot
NO, I did nothing of the kind , nor would I, it was not me that was treed, and it was NOT on East lake road or near any homes, the dogs had run loose up in the fields behind ELR and treed someone hunting.
nice try though.


So who fired the rounds off to scare the dogs, the hunter in the tree or his partner on the ground?



It was the hunter who was treed, no partner.
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:14 AM

BUHWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:16 AM

When your ignorance wears off....if indeed it does....you will figure out that not everyone is out to get the black guy and that their are plenty of black responsible people in the world who have self control. You are teaching your children to be as ignorant as you are if this is the stance you take. Try being just a responsible human being. Your neighbors are afraid loser........all of them.......through your ignoance try to figure it out...
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:18 AM

HOWS THE FORCLOSER ISSUE?
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:19 AM

And do tell us how you will "crush" these people? It's the whole neighborhood against you. The only one who agrees with you is you.
Posted by: thefarside

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:19 AM

OK.. thanks....
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:19 AM

Legal procedures are ignored and broken when dealing with the black man and his family!

Please explain how legal procedures have not been followed when you have been allowed to keep your dogs? Don't play that race crap on here.

This is not about race, it is about responsible ownership of dogs.
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:19 AM

FUNNY HOW YOUR HOUSE FIRE REKINDLED AFTER THE INFARED HEAT SEEKING TOOLS FOUND NO HOT SPOTS, HOURS AFTER THE FIRE WAS PUT DOWN.
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:21 AM

Glad to know that the ILLEGAL FIREARM charges were dropped(firing pin didnt work) against Bobby after the first fire.
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:21 AM

Can you sue the fire dept for not totally putting a fire out????
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:21 AM

SCREAMED AND CUSSED OUT ANY OLD LADIES LATELY BOBBY? you little P.O.S.
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:23 AM

Originally Posted By: kimmer
Can you sue the fire dept for not totally putting a fire out????

I'm sure they will try , the FD is a bunch of ignorant bigoted white guys dont ya know, just like the rest of us Varick "Homeboys" (Bobbys words) .
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:23 AM

Originally Posted By: thefarside
OK.. thanks....


no problem.
Posted by: thefarside

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:25 AM

WOW.... What a soap opera.....I've had enough...
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:25 AM

seems like your a little hot about this right now. That post bringing race into this really peed me off, god I wish I could swear on here right now.

These people do not get the issue, obviously.
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:27 AM

I hate the race card being played as well. I know plenty of very good black people. They have beautiful families and good jobs and are all around good people. They are responsible people.
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:32 AM

I will remain hot until this issue is resolved, I consider their posts a threat and have already copied it and will hand it to law enforcment at court tonight-if not sooner.(but I know the law is reading this already)
I'm an Effing whiteboy homeboy .. Bobby told me so personally..(: he's called a town board members a homo.. among other things. Still havent seen any video EVER! Lil Shannon thinks she's so smart and plays lawyer in court.. she's had to because he gets in so much trouble and can't form full sentences without insults and explitives.
I'm done for now, too much fun for one morning.
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:34 AM

and the whole god and righteous thing annoyed the crap out of me too.

would Jesus let his dogs run loose and scare people. If you're going to own a breed that is considered dangerous you need to be capable of dealing with the issues that will come with that. From what I read on here, these people are not capable of understanding the impact of their actions on others.

I am sick of people not being responsible that way. If you want respect, you need to show it not just assume that your neighbors will give it to you. Thinking that you can do as you please at the expense of others is so common these days it makes me ill. And this couple seem to be the picture of inconsiderate behavior.

And I'm still wound up over the race issue being tossed out!
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:40 AM

you know what? maybe that person that took the loose cat and had him neutered could come over to Seneca Co and take care of business.
Posted by: GGirl

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:47 AM

Yes, you have disgraced your family, by your ignorant desire to not take responsibilty of you animals. Don't pull the race card Shannon because that is bull. Personally I think you are as bad as your boyfriend and by the way your white. So whats that say about race. Stop the battle, no one is asking you to move all we want is a fence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Stop the madness
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 10:57 AM

Don't blame you for being mad at all. Behavior like you stated here is no way to make friends. Maybe the people in Varick haven't taken action because they are unsure of how to proceed without being called racist. Maybe they are consulting outside sources on how to go forward because of his behavior. How nice to call people names because they asked you to contain your pets. Certain people should never be allowed to have pets or children.
Posted by: AbuDhabi

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 11:05 AM

Originally Posted By: APBTowner
We aren't afraid, we are Righteous and we will prove everything in court. Anyone trying to damage our family, our property, and our name will be crushed.


So sayeth the Lord. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!! A bit melodramatic, aren't we? RIGHTEOUS, SISTAH!

This is going to be fun.

Quote:
We go at this with God, and know that through Him everything and everyone Righteous will prevail. We are not afraid, for we are Righteous.


RIGHT ON, SISTAH!! RIGHT ON!! POWER TO THE PITBULLS!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 11:22 AM

The saddest thing is, she will never get back on here and respond to any of us. Think I'll take drive down the "5000 block" of East Lake Road this weekend.
Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 11:34 AM

Becaues I'm not from Varick could you please tell me when and where the meeting is tonight. I would love to be there.
Posted by: marlboronymom

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 11:52 AM

Originally Posted By: kimmer
The saddest thing is, she will never get back on here and respond to any of us. Think I'll take drive down the "5000 block" of East Lake Road this weekend.


That's a pretty long "block" there Kimmer!!! It's like 2 miles long!! (I sadly do know right where the house is, as I grew up not to far from there.)
Posted by: marlboronymom

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 11:53 AM

Jello. ..Check your pm's!!!
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 12:18 PM

This house is before Hahnel Rd, correct? It has a narrow strip of woods behind it?

Seems a little close to the neighbors to be letting your dogs run loose. 4 acres of land doesn't mean much in my book when it's just a long stretch of woods behind the house.

I like the idea posted earlier of the horse fence.
Posted by: marlboronymom

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 12:30 PM

It's about 1/2 mile before Hahnel Rd. It's before the old fire house.


Yea..Smith made a good suggestion.
Heck you don't even need Horse fence. You know those 50 ft rolls of heavy duty garden fence. Few rolls of 50' x 4" of and a bunch of metal posts spaced every 8 feet. Cost ya less than $200 to do a 1,000 sq ft area. (How do I know this..because that's how much we spent on our turn out area for out rescued greyhounds!!!)

It's all about consideration for the neigobors. Not that difficult. But after seeing the pictures of the pups tied up to a rock with clothes line...it makes you wonder.

(Would someone PLEASE make copies of those photos and give them to Judge Case!!!!!!!!!!)
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 01:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Carerinoa
Becaues I'm not from Varick could you please tell me when and where the meeting is tonight. I would love to be there.


Not a meeting -- Varick Town Court! Rt. 96
Posted by: wanabe

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 08:32 PM

Why is everyone telling him how to contain his dogs? Didn't you see? On his MySpace page http://www.myspace.com/robbiedenero he's quite the entrepnuer and CEO.One of his companies is Kennel Builder,Dog Containment Units,Western N.Y. Finger Lakes Region

Robbie Denero's Companies
Kustombuilt kennels
Romulus, new york US
Kennel Builder,Dog Containment Units
Western N.Y. Finger Lakes Region

So Live Ent.
Romulus, new york US
CEO Recorder,Promoter,Performer,Sound Eng.
Music Entertainment

Guaranteed Game Kennels
Romulus, new york US
Dog Breeder.Dog Boarding
ADBA,UKC,AADR,CKC

Guaranteed Game Kennels
US
and his intrests are ...
My Babies 2 kids, 9 pit bulls, My Lady, My recording studio,4 wheelin, hunting, guns, anything outdoors, Money! Money!$ Mo Money!!!$$$

Money! Money!$ Mo Money!!!$$$
Just wondering how much all these stellar companies bring in and how much you rely on "MyLady" for your way of life?
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/17/08 09:27 PM

Ahahahahahahaha. Good find.
Posted by: AbuDhabi

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/18/08 02:32 AM

Originally Posted By: wanabe
Robbie Denero's Companies


It's "dinero", Mister Moneybags.
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/18/08 03:21 AM

"Cost ya less than $200 to do a 1,000 sq ft area."

I just did some numbers, and I don't have an acre fenced. It's about 23,000 ft2, and it cost me about $170. Since they're afraid to get near it, they're not likely to dig under it, and they're not going to climb it, either
Posted by: myopinion2share

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/18/08 06:53 AM

Well, how did the meeting go last night?
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/18/08 07:39 AM

we saw his myspace page. how old is this guy?! seemed a little immature to us. funny post about his bidnesses though!

Pease, someone tell us how court went last night.
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/18/08 08:05 AM

Adjourned until next Thusday, 6 pitbulls taken into custody per the judges order. Ms. Corcoran attemtped to get a change of venue - denied.
About 25 people there for just this ONE case!
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/18/08 08:41 AM

Good job of informing the public, nice public involvment. It's good to see people who are concerned actually show up for the issue.
Posted by: theEpost

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/18/08 10:08 AM

Originally Posted By: VM Smith
"Cost ya less than $200 to do a 1,000 sq ft area."

I just did some numbers, and I don't have an acre fenced. It's about 23,000 ft2, and it cost me about $170. Since they're afraid to get near it, they're not likely to dig under it, and they're not going to climb it, either


Good point. We had a black lab once that no matter how high the fence was, he found a way over it. I think it got as high as 12-14 ft and that dog still managed to climb it. We used to call him super dog!
Posted by: AbuDhabi

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/18/08 10:21 AM

Originally Posted By: Jelloshot
Adjourned until next Thusday, 6 pitbulls taken into custody per the judges order.


FREE THE ELR SIX! POWAH TO THE PITBULLS!

What are their names?

Huey?

Angela?

Rap?
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/18/08 10:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Jelloshot
Adjourned until next Thusday, 6 pitbulls taken into custody per the judges order. Ms. Corcoran attemtped to get a change of venue - denied.
About 25 people there for just this ONE case!


Excellent!
Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/18/08 11:27 AM

Originally Posted By: Jelloshot
Adjourned until next Thusday, 6 pitbulls taken into custody per the judges order. Ms. Corcoran attemtped to get a change of venue - denied.
About 25 people there for just this ONE case!


If they took 6 how many does that still leave in their custody on the property?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/18/08 11:38 AM

Five pitbulls seized

By Paulette Likoudis

VARICK - Security was tight for Thursday night's dangerous dog hearing before Justice Frank Case.

A Seneca County sheriff's deputy stood at the entrance checking bags and waving a metal-detecting wand over each of the 20 people who entered Town Court. Another deputy was posted inside.

Case could not be reached this morning to explain why there was such heavy

security.

Case, who did not allow cameras or recording devices to be used, began by decreeing that there was to be “no talking other than at the head table” and “no noise from spectators.”

Shannon Corcoran of East Lake Road is the licensed owner of the six pit bulls that allegedly intimidated Allison Crowe last weekend while she was walking her dog. Robert Whitley Jr., who lives with Corcoran and is a pit bull breeder, sat quietly with the couple's three children as Case addressed Corcoran.

When Case asked if Corcoran wanted the session adjourned so that she could seek legal counsel, she instead asked for a change of venue.

“That's not my question. Do you want to adjourn for counsel?” Case repeated.

“There is no possible way for me to have a fair trial in this court,” insisted Corcoran, who told the judge she thought she was being arraigned on a criminal charge.

“You need to brush up on your law a little better,” Case said, noting that she was answering a citation and a change of venue would only be considered in a court handling a more serious matter.

After Case told Corcoran the six offending dogs were “going to be sequestered,” she argued that they couldn't be identified.

“We're not going to play that game. If you don't comply, we're going to take all the dogs to the shelter,” Case said.

When court adjourned, acting dog control officer Dorothy Comerford and employees of the Beverly Animal Shelter drove to the couple's East Lake Road home to collect the six dogs involved in the April 12 complaint. When the family arrived home a while later, saying they'd stopped at a local store on the way, they brought the dogs out, one by one.

Whitley gave Comerford and the shelter workers care instructions for each dog, which they wrote down. One female dog with nursing pups was not taken.

Bob McCann, who lives five houses from the family, was in court last night and said this morning that he was pleased with the hearing's outcome.

“I think a lot of people were very happy with the way Justice Case handled last night's proceeding. I think every single person in the courtroom was there to support the victims,” said McCann, who said he had come to the aid of another woman, Connie Long, last spring when four pit bulls intimidated her.

“They charged at her, and she actually jumped in front of traffic to get away from them,” he recalled. Other neighbors say they have witnessed similar scenes on the road in front of Corcoran and Whitley's home.

Whitley maintains that complaints about his dogs are racially motivated and designed to defame his character. He added that he filed a discrimination report with the FBI two months ago.

“We expected that in court. There's people been trying to break me and my lady since we moved on the water,” Whitley said, noting neighbors have described him as “the pit bull breeding, gun-toting, drug-dealing black man in the neighborhood.”

“Me and my family have endured what we have endured in silence for four years. The environment of Varick is not safe mentally, physically or emotionally for children and adults that are not like people from out here,” Whitley said.

No one has ever gone to his door to ask that his dogs be confined, he said.

“We're done dealing with the Town of Varick. Everything in Varick is done in the dark. This is the last straw,” said Whitley, threatening to sue the town.

Corcoran is due back in Varick Town Court at 8 p.m. April 24.

fltimes@fltimes.com
Posted by: CitizenStraub

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/18/08 12:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Wyatt Earp
Five pitbulls seized


That's a start!
Posted by: CitizenStraub

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/18/08 12:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Wyatt Earp


Whitley maintains that complaints about his dogs are racially motivated and designed to defame his character. He added that he filed a discrimination report with the FBI two months ago.

"We expected that in court. There's people been trying to break me and my lady since we moved on the water," Whitley said, noting neighbors have described him as "the pit bull breeding, gun-toting, drug-dealing black man in the neighborhood."

"Me and my family have endured what we have endured in silence for four years. The environment of Varick is not safe mentally, physically or emotionally for children and adults that are not like people from out here," Whitley said.



If G Money don't like da hood, G can go back to where he come from. Yo!
Posted by: Coach64

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/18/08 01:41 PM

wow
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/18/08 01:52 PM

"Whitley maintains that complaints about his dogs are racially motivated and designed to defame his character. He added that he filed a discrimination report with the FBI two months ago"


Of course when all else fails you have to bring out the race card.

“We expected that in court. There's people been trying to break me and my lady since we moved on the water,” Whitley said, noting neighbors have described him as “the pit bull breeding, gun-toting, drug-dealing black man in the neighborhood.”

If the shoe fits....wear it. You're probably just angry because people are on to you.
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/18/08 01:52 PM

Originally Posted By: CitizenStraub
Originally Posted By: Wyatt Earp


Whitley maintains that complaints about his dogs are racially motivated and designed to defame his character. He added that he filed a discrimination report with the FBI two months ago.

"We expected that in court. There's people been trying to break me and my lady since we moved on the water," Whitley said, noting neighbors have described him as "the pit bull breeding, gun-toting, drug-dealing black man in the neighborhood."

"Me and my family have endured what we have endured in silence for four years. The environment of Varick is not safe mentally, physically or emotionally for children and adults that are not like people from out here," Whitley said.



If G Money don't like da hood, G can go back to where he come from. Yo!


Yo! Where did "G" come from anyway?
Posted by: Coach64

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/18/08 01:54 PM

regardless if he played the race card or not, lets not fall into the trap and play the race game
Posted by: Low Budget

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/18/08 07:32 PM

I agree Coach-Don't play the racial game, but to the dog owners, dude, put up a 100'x100'fenced pen so they can roam & people can walk safely down the road-end of problem!
Posted by: sparky's back

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/19/08 02:58 AM

Originally Posted By: CitizenStraub
Originally Posted By: Wyatt Earp


Whitley maintains that complaints about his dogs are racially motivated and designed to defame his character. He added that he filed a discrimination report with the FBI two months ago.

"We expected that in court. There's people been trying to break me and my lady since we moved on the water," Whitley said, noting neighbors have described him as "the pit bull breeding, gun-toting, drug-dealing black man in the neighborhood."

"Me and my family have endured what we have endured in silence for four years. The environment of Varick is not safe mentally, physically or emotionally for children and adults that are not like people from out here," Whitley said.



If G Money don't like da hood, G can go back to where he come from. Yo!


Does Robbie HONESTLY think that if theses dogs belonged to a white man it would be ok for the dogs to run and attack..and no one would complain...PLEASE!!!
Posted by: snoopy

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/19/08 09:29 AM

just put up a fence!!!!! Anyone should be able to walk down any road without fear of being attacked or "harrassed" by dogs.
Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/19/08 10:09 AM

Quote:
Whitley maintains that complaints about his dogs are racially motivated and designed to defame his character. He added that he filed a discrimination report with the FBI two months ago.

"We expected that in court. There's people been trying to break me and my lady since we moved on the water," Whitley said, noting neighbors have described him as "the pit bull breeding, gun-toting, drug-dealing black man in the neighborhood."

"Me and my family have endured what we have endured in silence for four years. The environment of Varick is not safe mentally, physically or emotionally for children and adults that are not like people from out here," Whitley said.


My take on THEIR actions SCREAMS looking for a free ride. In my opinion they're just looking and hoping for a quick and easy buck. All of this could have been avoided if THEY would just be RESPONSIBLE dog owners. I think they've had ample warning that this was coming with their blatant disreguard of their neighbors rights. It's almost as if they've pushed for it to come to this. JMO

Posted by: realdeal

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/19/08 10:30 AM

I don't beleive for a minute that race has anything to do with it. It's the word Pitbull that has every one in a fury. I also fail to believe these dogs "attacked" the person walking with the dog. If they did it would be plastered all over the paper and tv. Unfortunately pitbulls have gotten a bad rap because of those irresponsible owners that have used them for fighting. Would everyone be up in arms if it was 6 westies that ran out to the walker? Little dogs are more apt to bite right away. Dogs have a tendency to run up to other dogs and people as they pass by, big dogs are intimidating.Pitbulls were originally bred for families, they are great with children. I can't judge anyone here because I haven't had the chance to meet the couple or the dogs, but can tell you if I could I would. Nothing beats getting the info first hand. Mr. Whitley and Ms. Corcoran there is a saying that is so true, "fences make good nieghbors".
Posted by: Taxpayer14456

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/19/08 10:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Wyatt Earp
she instead asked for a change of venue.



LOL...now thats funny. She must have watched an episode of law and Order while staying at a Holiday Inn Express the night before.

Honestly...what kind of losers bring their children to court??
Posted by: AbuDhabi

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/19/08 01:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Wyatt Earp
When Case asked if Corcoran wanted the session adjourned so that she could seek legal counsel, she instead asked for a change of venue.

“That's not my question. Do you want to adjourn for counsel?” Case repeated.

“There is no possible way for me to have a fair trial in this court,” insisted Corcoran, who told the judge she thought she was being arraigned on a criminal charge.

“You need to brush up on your law a little better,” Case said, noting that she was answering a citation and a change of venue would only be considered in a court handling a more serious matter.


*snort*

Object lesson in making the judge love you.

LOL!
Posted by: AbuDhabi

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/19/08 01:30 PM

Originally Posted By: sparky's back
Originally Posted By: CitizenStraub
Originally Posted By: Wyatt Earp


Whitley maintains that complaints about his dogs are racially motivated and designed to defame his character. He added that he filed a discrimination report with the FBI two months ago.

"We expected that in court. There's people been trying to break me and my lady since we moved on the water," Whitley said, noting neighbors have described him as "the pit bull breeding, gun-toting, drug-dealing black man in the neighborhood."

"Me and my family have endured what we have endured in silence for four years. The environment of Varick is not safe mentally, physically or emotionally for children and adults that are not like people from out here," Whitley said.



If G Money don't like da hood, G can go back to where he come from. Yo!


Does Robbie HONESTLY think that if theses dogs belonged to a white man it would be ok for the dogs to run and attack..and no one would complain...PLEASE!!!


He has to play the cards he was dealt. He got the race card, he plays the race card. What else does he have? God didn't give him a smarts card.
Posted by: CitizenStraub

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/19/08 01:59 PM

Originally Posted By: AbuDhabi

He has to play the cards he was dealt. He got the race card, he plays the race card. What else does he have? God didn't give him a smarts card.


Ha! Well said!
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/19/08 07:15 PM

It really doesn't matter if it was westies or pitbulls or poodles that ran after a person. What matters is that their neighbors are asking them to contain their dogs. These owners are refusing to give respect to their neighbors. These owners expect everyone to let them do as they please. These owners want everything their way. It's time for them to grow up and be responsible dog owners and neighbors. Dogs do not belong on the loose.
Posted by: SilverFox

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/19/08 08:46 PM

Originally Posted By: AbuDhabi

He has to play the cards he was dealt. He got the race card, he plays the race card. What else does he have? God didn't give him a smarts card.


In other words he can't even find sympathy in the dictionary because he doesn't know how to spell it? ;\)
Posted by: snoopy

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/20/08 07:23 PM

personally I have never been chased or "attacked" by dogs, but if I were walking down a road minding my own business and "6" big dogs run up to you and the owner says "I can't control my dogs" how scared would you be?? I know I would be pretty darn scared. What if the people in the car didn't turn back around!! We will never know what could have happened, thank god..
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/20/08 08:49 PM

Originally Posted By: SilverFox
Originally Posted By: AbuDhabi

He has to play the cards he was dealt. He got the race card, he plays the race card. What else does he have? God didn't give him a smarts card.


In other words he can't even find sympathy in the dictionary because he doesn't know how to spell it? ;\)


Lol. That pretty much sums it up in a nutshell.
Posted by: The Mask

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/21/08 05:01 AM

Originally Posted By: AbuDhabi
He has to play the cards he was dealt. He got the race card, he plays the race card. What else does he have? God didn't give him a smarts card.


I want those gun toting, drug dealing cards. They must have set him back some?

Posted by: marlboronymom

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/21/08 10:09 AM

Originally Posted By: The Mask
Originally Posted By: AbuDhabi
He has to play the cards he was dealt. He got the race card, he plays the race card. What else does he have? God didn't give him a smarts card.


I want those gun toting, drug dealing cards. They must have set him back some?



Probably why he doesn't have the money to put up a fence! ( or pay the mortgage, since the house in in forclosure!!)

ELR Racist...yea right...especially the "5000" block. TOTAL BS!

My family has lived in the "5000" block since the late 1940's. AND in that "5000 Block" there are MANY diffrent races/ethnanticities living quite nicely together. Arabs, Jews ( YES LIVING NEXT TO EACH OTHER AND THEY GOT A LONG NICELY THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!) Italians, English, Irish, Germans, Spanish, Greek...oh...and diffrent black/white mixed race couples. They all get along.

So...why is this jerk saying we're racist. "We are NOT racist...we're just sick and tired of their irresponsibility and lack of consideration toward their fellow neighbor. AND "WE" hate animal abusers!

Raicist...pardon my thought...but isn't that "the pot calling the kettle black??????
Posted by: P

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/21/08 06:58 PM

Probably why he doesn't have the money to put up a fence! ( or pay the mortgage, since the house in in forclosure!!)




I play golf with loan officer that wrote loan on the house on ELR, get your facts straight. They (Whitley & Corcoran)are wrong but their home is current as far as mortgage go
Posted by: hopefull

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/21/08 08:36 PM

Papa4 you may have your facts correct about Whitley's house but we do know for a FACT it was in foreclosure and has been several times in the past.
Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/21/08 08:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Papa4
Probably why he doesn't have the money to put up a fence! ( or pay the mortgage, since the house in in forclosure!!)




I play golf with loan officer that wrote loan on the house on ELR, get your facts straight. They (Whitley & Corcoran)are wrong but their home is current as far as mortgage go


If this is true, isn't the loan officer sharing private and confidential information therefore compromising his job?

Which bank did you say he was with?
Posted by: P

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/21/08 08:41 PM

Quite aware of that "FACT" also; just stating something that has nothing to do with the main issue " Pitbulls"
Posted by: hopefull

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/21/08 08:45 PM

I'm sure Wells Fargo loves him giving out private info. while he is golfing. Remind me not to go to them for my bank. Great customer service.
Posted by: P

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/21/08 08:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Carerinoa
Originally Posted By: Papa4
Probably why he doesn't have the money to put up a fence! ( or pay the mortgage, since the house in in forclosure!!)




I play golf with loan officer that wrote loan on the house on ELR, get your facts straight. They (Whitley & Corcoran)are wrong but their home is current as far as mortgage go


If this is true, isn't the loan officer sharing private and confidential information therefore compromising his job?

Which bank did you say he was with?




I don't recall this as being any of your business But If you have any knowledge of banking practices you would know that any of us can get this info from the Seneca county clerk's office.
Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/21/08 08:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Papa4
Originally Posted By: Carerinoa
Originally Posted By: Papa4
Probably why he doesn't have the money to put up a fence! ( or pay the mortgage, since the house in in forclosure!!)




I play golf with loan officer that wrote loan on the house on ELR, get your facts straight. They (Whitley & Corcoran)are wrong but their home is current as far as mortgage go


If this is true, isn't the loan officer sharing private and confidential information therefore compromising his job?

Which bank did you say he was with?




I don't recall this as being any of your business But If you have any knowledge of banking practices you would know that any of us can get this info from the Ontario county clerks office.


News flash Einstein ...when you post on a public forum YOU make it EVERYONES business just for future reference
Posted by: P

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/21/08 08:57 PM

Sorry Hillary you must of misunderstood my point but your right
Posted by: MTC21

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/22/08 05:06 PM

i think that this forum is getting away from the initial subject. i don't share the same views with him concerning the dogs but bringing up forclosure of his home and his children are not the issue. this forum should be to discuss the subject. EAST LAKE RD. PITBULLS, and that's it.
Posted by: Ranger

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/22/08 05:10 PM

never happen, once they get you under the bus, they tend to back up and run ya over again, and again.... with only one post, I'm sure you haven't seen all the goings on here. Not saying it's right, it's just, what it is
Posted by: marlboronymom

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/24/08 09:52 AM

oh...I see it's ok for them to pull the race card and insult my friends and family on ELR.

BUT when a Jello and I pointed out that they can't afford their home,let alone properly take care of the dogs, we're the ones out of line.

So...who cares that their lack of consideration for their neighbors is totally unacceptable. Who cares that they let their dogs run loose. Who cares that Robbie's got photo's of his dogs, posted in his myspace page, tied up to a rock with CLOTHES LINE. Who cares that NONE of the adult dogs in those photos have proper Ag & Market tags. Who cares that NONE of the dogs have collars with any sort of id tag on them.

I do animal rescue, so EXCUSE ME for not being polite. I am so tired of seeing people who are irresponsible with their animals. If I was the local AWO/ACO/DW in Varick I would have made sure that Judge Case removed EVERY SINGLE one of those pit bulls from that home. I feel very sorry for the folks at Beverly's shelter, because they are stuck cleaning up Whitley's and Corcoran's mess. They have limited funds and limited space and I am sure they are in need of food/supplies to take care of the pit's that were seized.
Posted by: DryHeavs

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/24/08 10:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Wyatt Earp
Five pitbulls seized



Shannon Corcoran of East Lake Road is the licensed owner of the six pit bulls that allegedly intimidated Allison Crowe last weekend while she was walking her dog. Robert Whitley Jr., who lives with Corcoran and is a pit bull breeder, sat quietly with the couple's three children as Case addressed Corcoran.

“We expected that in court. There's people been trying to break me and my lady since we moved on the water,” Whitley said, noting neighbors have described him as “the pit bull breeding, gun-toting, drug-dealing black man in the neighborhood.”

“Me and my family have endured what we have endured in silence for four years. The environment of Varick is not safe mentally, physically or emotionally for children and adults that are not like people from out here,” Whitley said.

Corcoran is due back in Varick Town Court at 8 p.m. April 24.

fltimes@fltimes



How does Whitley even have the right to play the race card. His girlfriend Corcoran is the one who "legally" owns the dogs. He wont even clain responsibility for them and then let her take the fall. Then say it is an attack on him. Corcoran is the one served with the court papers not him. BUT ITS HIS BUSINESS.
Posted by: sparky's back

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/24/08 11:07 AM

If he has any kind of crimimal records I think there is some law that he can not own a Pittbull.
Posted by:

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/24/08 11:45 AM

THURSDAY APRIL 24, 2008 Last modified: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:38 AM CDT

Who's living in fear? Pit bull owners allege racism; neighbors say they just want a fence

By Paulette Likoudis

VARICK - It's a beautiful, friendly area, but East Lake Road residents say they're living in fear out here because of one couple's pit bull business.

To hear the breeders tell it, though, they're the ones with something to be afraid of.

Last Thursday, Justice Frank Case ordered that six pit bulls be removed from Robert Whitley and Shannon Corcoran's home, where they're breeding what they say is a perfect blend of champion bloodlines.

An animal control officer cited all six dogs as dangerous, but Eva was not taken into custody by Beverly Animal Shelter workers because her third litter is only 8 weeks old and still suckling. Like most pups, they swagger around like they own the living room of Whitley and Corcoran's home.

Eva and the rest of the grown dogs were out “doing their business” the morning of April 12, when Allison Crowe of Yale Farm Road came within sight of the property and realized Whitley's pit bulls were loose.

“One dog came, and then they all came,” Crowe said, explaining that when she asked Whitley to call his dogs, he said he didn't have control over them.

“He stood in the road and pointed at me and said, ‘You knew I was there. You should have gone the other way,'” recalled Crowe, who was afraid that things would get out of hand if her Lab-chow mix somehow provoked the pit bulls into a biting frenzy. A passing motorist helped her and her dog get away, she said.

When she reported the incident, Crowe said the officer who responded told her she'd have had a better case if she'd been bleeding; but she's hoping the situation can be resolved with neither man nor beast losing blood.

Wednesday, Whitley said he has made a formal complaint against Crowe, accusing her of “falsifying an incident.” Seneca County Sheriff's Lt. Chuck Maleski confirmed this morning that Whitley had been at the station, but no criminal charges have been filed and he's not aware of any investigation of Crowe.

Like others in the neighborhood, Crowe thinks Whitley should install a fence.

“That's all anybody wants. What's he going to do when they tear somebody apart? What happens when those cottages are rented, and there are people walking by who don't know about the dogs?” Crowe asked. She knows Whitley believes his neighbors don't like him because he's black, but Crowe said she'd have the same concerns if the dogs' owners were white.

“He needs to respect his neighbors. He doesn't seem to respect anybody,” said Crowe's husband, Pat.

“No one is going to force me to put a fence up or beware-of-dog signs, because my dogs are people friendly,” Whitley insisted. None of them has been accused of biting anyone, but in a year and a half, dog control officers have issued six court appearance tickets.

A number of attached affidavits allege that Whitley and his dogs have been unruly. A witness statement from June 29, 2006, after Eva, Nature Girl and Blue disrupted a Scrabble game on a neighbor's deck, said the “... dogs did not show aggression, but we were very frightened, and our afternoon was ruined.”

Many other neighbors have stories of being intimidated by the dogs running loose. Jim Hagadorn was new in the neighborhood when two of Whitley's pit bulls and a mixed-breed dog approached him while he was hunting. When he couldn't turn the dogs away with a gruff voice or firing shots near them, he climbed a tree. Hagadorn then spotted Whitley, who called the dogs back.

“They're relentless. I moved out here to have peace and quiet. The last thing I ever want to do is shoot a dog,” said Hagadorn, who was worried that it might have come to that.

“He don't care. He don't care at all,” Hagadorn said, pointing out that Whitley was neither sympathetic nor apologetic.

Larry Mitchell of Utica was out welding a boat hoist on his father-in-law's property a few summers ago when he flipped the shield on his full-face helmet and realized three pit bulls were very close to him. He said the dogs followed him as he backed into a garage, so he lit an acetylene torch to scare them away.

“They weren't snarling, but I didn't know what their intention was,” Mitchell said. His father-in-law is 82 and weakened by some health issues, so he fears for his safety.

Flip side

As Whitley and Corcoran rummage through piles of paperwork spread across their coffee table, it's hard to keep up with the stories they tell to illustrate their view that the court cases against them have been mishandled.

The dogs are owned by the couple but licensed to Corcoran, a manufacturing engineer at Parker Hannifin Corp. in Lyons, because she owns the East Lake Road house and property the family shares. Breeding pit bulls is Whitley's livelihood. He tends to the dogs and the couple's 4-month-old son, with occasional visits from his other two children, who live mainly in Geneva.

“They took $8,500 in dogs from me last night,” Whitley said Friday, adding that one of the dogs will be in heat soon, which means he'll miss out on a breeding opportunity.

As Corcoran unfolded proof of one dog's extended pedigree, Whitley explained that it has a “power game” bloodline on one side, and family dogs on the other.

Advertising

On Whitley's MySpace page (www.myspace.com/robbiedenero), he begins his video: “I'm Robbie Denero. Holla@me!! I got the PerfectPit4U.”

“Robbie Denero” is his pseudonym and described as a music recorder, promoter, performer, sound engineer and, ironically, a kennel builder specializing in dog containment units.

On the site, photos of adults and pups at Guaranteed Game Kennels are mixed with tags like “dead serious,” “blockhead bullies” and “gonna be huge.” Some of Whitley's “Thorough-Bred” (sic) dogs have ominous names like “Bad Girl,” “Crush” and “Menace,” although “no dog fighting” symbols can also be found on the page.

He said he requires applications from prospective dog buyers and would alert authorities if anyone said they wanted one for fighting.

The words loyalty, security and companionship are part of the site's sales pitch, as are power game, gameness and extremely game. What exactly does that mean?

“It's willingness, tenacity, spirit,” Corcoran said, noting they're a play on words that could apply to any hunting dog.

“There's no denying it. These are (historically) bred as fighting dogs, but these dogs don't bite people,” Whitley said. He added that the gameness is put to good use around the house, where they pull wagons and sleds holding kids, cinder blocks or trees cleared from a back woodlot.

“They have to work every day, or they'll hurt each other,” Whitley acknowledged.

In the know

Beverly Animal Shelter owner Dallyn Jenkins said things were going smoothly considering the amount of testosterone involved with having three unneutered males.

Jenkins likes Whitley and he's always polite to shelter staff, she said, but added that he's earned the reputation he has among his neighbors.

“He's gotten what he deserves,” she said.

Jenkins would like to see a moratorium on pit bull breeding in Seneca County and contends that, overall, the proliferation of canines could be controlled by establishing and enforcing an annual $200 licensing fee for unspayed or uncastrated dogs.

Pit bull rescuer and SPCA Investigator Jenny WcWhorter of MacDougall is fond of the breed and does what she can to find safe homes for dogs that become unwanted. As her reputation has spread, her calls have increased. Five out of seven days last week, she was phoned by people wanting to give up their pit bulls. Worse, she said, is when owners set them free when they move or tire of caring for them.

Pit bull ownership has been banned or become tightly regulated in many places, and McWhorter said Seneca County is now overpopulated with them.

She became acquainted with Whitley about 18 months ago, when it looked like he was going to lose five unlicensed dogs. He wanted her to testify that the dogs had a safe temperament, but she's not qualified to assess behavior. Since her response wasn't what Whitley wanted, she said they are not friends.

In fact, she said, she told him then, “You're the problem, not the dogs.” Now her name is on the list of those he said he plans to sue.

Whitley said Wednesday that he expected her to be on his side and accused her of wavering when she saw Case was going hard on him.

McWhorter agrees with Whitley about keeping pit bulls well-exercised, but said increased fitness also makes them more formidable if they attack.

“If they pack up, it's like they have a switch turned on, and it's not easy to stop that. Robert can't control that. Proper fencing would be a wonderful thing,” she said.

Breeding puppies in the numbers that Whitley does exacerbates the local pit bull crisis, McWhorter added, noting that it's possible that some of the dogs she's rescued were bred by him.

Whitley's dogs were in pack mode when they cornered a severely injured a cat in a garage, causing its death.

Whitley becomes animated when he tells his side of that story.

“... I had 13 feral cats in my backyard, and my dogs chased them out,” Whitley said.

Ruth and George Bassett, who live across the road, were caring for the cat that died.

“Now watch this. Here's the trick. I told the old man: ‘If that's your cat, why doesn't it have a collar? My dogs won't attack anything with a collar,'” Whitley maintained.

The Bassetts say Whitley initially seemed sorry about the cat, but he blamed them for the assault, because the cat was not wearing a collar. He also accused them of reporting the incident only because he is black, they said.

“He has no verbal control over the dogs. He was there pulling the dogs off, and as he'd pull one off, another one would be right in there,” said Ruth Bassett, as she recalled the day three of Whitley's pit bulls inflicted puncture wounds and broke the cat's jaw in three places, sending it into shock.

The Bassetts also witnessed the April 12 incident with Allison Crowe as it unfolded in front of their home.

“Everybody has the right to walk up and down this road and not be attacked. I feel he's very irresponsible,” Ruth Bassett said, noting that Whitley seems to prefer releasing his dogs in the front yard, even though he has access to acreage behind his house.

Whitley is digging in his heels because, he said, he doesn't want to do anything that would appear to be an admission the dogs are dangerous.

At another home across from Whitley's, a new neighbor and her boyfriend, neither of whom wanted to be identified, said they had no problems with the dogs.

Discrimination

Whitley and Corcoran say they have been the target of discrimination since moved in four years ago. They even accuse the Varick Fire Department of purposely mishandling a fire that destroyed their first home at the site.

Varick Fire Company President Chuck Brust said “[we] did everything in our power” when that fire broke out.

“I was fire chief in charge that night,” said Brust, who recalled the effort, noting they'd used thermal imaging equipment four times to verify that the fire was out. He said when he went back the next morning, the doors were locked but things seemed fine when he looked in the windows. Two hours later, the department got a call that the home was engulfed in flames.

“It's hard to explain what happened in those two hours,” Brust said.

Whitley also accused John Vincent, dog control officer for 19 years, of using the pit bulls to plot against him.

“John Vincent is prejudiced like Justice Case. He said, ‘Robert, you and your dogs won't be here for long,'” said Whitley, who doesn't plan to move, even though he contends he has anxiety attacks brought on by duress from his neighbors, and that he now dresses his kids in hunter orange when they're outside because of his brush with Hagadorn.

Vincent and Case declined to comment because of pending cases.

“I'm going to sue the blood out of the Town of Varick,” threatened Whitley, who said “four or five” attorneys are advising him.

“Their butts are gonna get whipped,” Whitley's 5-year-old daughter chimed in.

“This is America and I don't need a lawyer. The system is set up so a bum can represent himself,” Whitley said.Corcoran appeared before Justice Case without an attorney April 17.

Evidence

Whitley can see what's going on in the road and driveway out front of his home via surveillance cameras and a small screen in his living room. Whitley said he has day and night footage from the last year and a half, including the April 12 scene. But he refused to show it, saying he'll use it to vindicate himself in court.

Whitley did, however, play a nearly four-minute scene he captured on his cell phone when he appeared before Justice Case on May 8, 2007. It shows an agitated Whitley haranguing Case as he sat quietly at his desk in the Varick courtroom. Corcoran and one of the couple's children were also present.

“Daddy was supposed to get a job, but they didn't call back,” piped up Whitley's son when the cell phone video ended. Whitley explained he'd applied for a job at a neighborhood kennel.

What's next

Corcoran is due back in court at 8 p.m. tonight.

Neighbor Bob McCann said he and other concerned neighbors plan to be in court and at tonight's town Planning Board meeting to ask about re-writing laws dealing with dogs and kennels.

“We're looking at different approaches,” said McCann, who added that he and others are determined to resolve what they consider an escalating menace in their neighborhood. McCann is calling for pressure on the Town Board and a public presence during court proceedings involving Whitley and Corcoran.

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Posted by: sparky's back

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/24/08 12:15 PM

George and Ruth were my neighbors when I live in Romulus..there were many nights that I was coming home from work and couldn't get out of my car cause their dogs were out not leashed and not friendly. We finally put up a fence because our daughter at the time was only 3 and the dogs were not fenced or leashed and they were MEAN!
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/24/08 12:16 PM

All I can say right now is "wow".
Posted by: pixie

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/24/08 12:25 PM

I live in the 5000 series east lake rd and if some ones dogs were loose and trying to get me more then once , sorry but they will be no longer . I know thats bad but I got mauled once and will not ever go through that again. antifreeze does the trick.
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/24/08 12:31 PM

Ok - if you're breeding pure breds would you really want them running loose. Maybe he just lets the males run loose and keeps the bitches inside when they go into heat.

Doesn't matter, they will never be responsible for themselves.
Posted by:

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/24/08 12:31 PM

The neighbors just need a bigger dog.

Posted by: sparky's back

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/24/08 12:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Festus!
The neighbors just need a bigger dog.



OMG..no telly for this
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/24/08 12:33 PM

Originally Posted By: pixie
I live in the 5000 series east lake rd and if some ones dogs were loose and trying to get me more then once , sorry but they will be no longer . I know thats bad but I got mauled once and will not ever go through that again. antifreeze does the trick.


I think a poisoned porkchop might do it, too.
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/24/08 12:35 PM

If that dog doesn't have wheels under it, I don't think it's going anyplace soon.
Posted by:

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/24/08 12:45 PM

Originally Posted By: VM Smith
Originally Posted By: pixie
I live in the 5000 series east lake rd and if some ones dogs were loose and trying to get me more then once , sorry but they will be no longer . I know thats bad but I got mauled once and will not ever go through that again. antifreeze does the trick.


I think a poisoned porkchop might do it, too.



A .357 also works well.
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/24/08 12:53 PM

The porkchop doesn't attract as much attention, and isn't as easy to trace.
Posted by:

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/24/08 12:57 PM

Yer buying yer guns from the wrong guy.
Posted by: Lori

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/24/08 09:47 PM

I live on the opposite end of the county from where this problem is. There is a problem with pit bulls and several other dangerous breeds here as well. With rent-to-own properties nearby, every scumbag that moves in every few months thinks that they need a vicious dog. They let them roam free to the point that you're afraid to go out, let alone take a walk or let your kids out alone in your own yard. This is not a Varick problem, it is a County wide issue that the County needs to address very soon. Why do you need such dangerous dogs? If it is for protection, believe me the robber will just shoot it. Buy homeowners insurance if your possessions are so valuable.

Oh btw - you won't need a lawyer when one of these dogs rips you apart. "The laws are written so that any idiot can represent themselves". I fell out of my chair laughing when I read that one. Why is he then consulting with 4-5 lawyers? My guess is he consulted with them and they all said he doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Posted by: reilley

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 12:05 AM

Originally Posted By: Lori
I live on the opposite end of the county from where this problem is. There is a problem with pit bulls and several other dangerous breeds here as well. With rent-to-own properties nearby, every scumbag that moves in every few months thinks that they need a vicious dog. They let them roam free to the point that you're afraid to go out, let alone take a walk or let your kids out alone in your own yard. This is not a Varick problem, it is a County wide issue that the County needs to address very soon. Why do you need such dangerous dogs? If it is for protection, believe me the robber will just shoot it. Buy homeowners insurance if your possessions are so valuable.

Oh btw - you won't need a lawyer when one of these dogs rips you apart. "The laws are written so that any idiot can represent themselves". I fell out of my chair laughing when I read that one. Why is he then consulting with 4-5 lawyers? My guess is he consulted with them and they all said he doesn't have a leg to stand on.


SO WHAT HAPPENED IN COURT FOR THIS GUY ??


Who's living in fear? Pit bull owners allege racism; neighbors say they just want a fence


By Paulette Likoudis
Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:38 AM CDT


VARICK - It's a beautiful, friendly area, but East Lake Road residents say they're living in fear out here because of one couple's pit bull business.

To hear the breeders tell it, though, they're the ones with something to be afraid of.

Last Thursday, Justice Frank Case ordered that six pit bulls be removed from Robert Whitley and Shannon Corcoran's home, where they're breeding what they say is a perfect blend of champion bloodlines.

An animal control officer cited all six dogs as dangerous, but Eva was not taken into custody by Beverly Animal Shelter workers because her third litter is only 8 weeks old and still suckling. Like most pups, they swagger around like they own the living room of Whitley and Corcoran's home.

Eva and the rest of the grown dogs were out “doing their business” the morning of April 12, when Allison Crowe of Yale Farm Road came within sight of the property and realized Whitley's pit bulls were loose.




“One dog came, and then they all came,” Crowe said, explaining that when she asked Whitley to call his dogs, he said he didn't have control over them.

“He stood in the road and pointed at me and said, ‘You knew I was there. You should have gone the other way,'” recalled Crowe, who was afraid that things would get out of hand if her Lab-chow mix somehow provoked the pit bulls into a biting frenzy. A passing motorist helped her and her dog get away, she said.

When she reported the incident, Crowe said the officer who responded told her she'd have had a better case if she'd been bleeding; but she's hoping the situation can be resolved with neither man nor beast losing blood.

Wednesday, Whitley said he has made a formal complaint against Crowe, accusing her of “falsifying an incident.” Seneca County Sheriff's Lt. Chuck Maleski confirmed this morning that Whitley had been at the station, but no criminal charges have been filed and he's not aware of any investigation of Crowe.

Like others in the neighborhood, Crowe thinks Whitley should install a fence.

“That's all anybody wants. What's he going to do when they tear somebody apart? What happens when those cottages are rented, and there are people walking by who don't know about the dogs?” Crowe asked. She knows Whitley believes his neighbors don't like him because he's black, but Crowe said she'd have the same concerns if the dogs' owners were white.

“He needs to respect his neighbors. He doesn't seem to respect anybody,” said Crowe's husband, Pat.

“No one is going to force me to put a fence up or beware-of-dog signs, because my dogs are people friendly,” Whitley insisted. None of them has been accused of biting anyone, but in a year and a half, dog control officers have issued six court appearance tickets.

A number of attached affidavits allege that Whitley and his dogs have been unruly. A witness statement from June 29, 2006, after Eva, Nature Girl and Blue disrupted a Scrabble game on a neighbor's deck, said the “... dogs did not show aggression, but we were very frightened, and our afternoon was ruined.”

Many other neighbors have stories of being intimidated by the dogs running loose. Jim Hagadorn was new in the neighborhood when two of Whitley's pit bulls and a mixed-breed dog approached him while he was hunting. When he couldn't turn the dogs away with a gruff voice or firing shots near them, he climbed a tree. Hagadorn then spotted Whitley, who called the dogs back.

“They're relentless. I moved out here to have peace and quiet. The last thing I ever want to do is shoot a dog,” said Hagadorn, who was worried that it might have come to that.

“He don't care. He don't care at all,” Hagadorn said, pointing out that Whitley was neither sympathetic nor apologetic.

Larry Mitchell of Utica was out welding a boat hoist on his father-in-law's property a few summers ago when he flipped the shield on his full-face helmet and realized three pit bulls were very close to him. He said the dogs followed him as he backed into a garage, so he lit an acetylene torch to scare them away.

“They weren't snarling, but I didn't know what their intention was,” Mitchell said. His father-in-law is 82 and weakened by some health issues, so he fears for his safety.

Flip side

As Whitley and Corcoran rummage through piles of paperwork spread across their coffee table, it's hard to keep up with the stories they tell to illustrate their view that the court cases against them have been mishandled.

The dogs are owned by the couple but licensed to Corcoran, a manufacturing engineer at Parker Hannifin Corp. in Lyons, because she owns the East Lake Road house and property the family shares. Breeding pit bulls is Whitley's livelihood. He tends to the dogs and the couple's 4-month-old son, with occasional visits from his other two children, who live mainly in Geneva.

“They took $8,500 in dogs from me last night,” Whitley said Friday, adding that one of the dogs will be in heat soon, which means he'll miss out on a breeding opportunity.

As Corcoran unfolded proof of one dog's extended pedigree, Whitley explained that it has a “power game” bloodline on one side, and family dogs on the other.

Advertising

On Whitley's MySpace page (www.myspace.com/robbiedenero), he begins his video: “I'm Robbie Denero. Holla@me!! I got the PerfectPit4U.”

“Robbie Denero” is his pseudonym and described as a music recorder, promoter, performer, sound engineer and, ironically, a kennel builder specializing in dog containment units.

On the site, photos of adults and pups at Guaranteed Game Kennels are mixed with tags like “dead serious,” “blockhead bullies” and “gonna be huge.” Some of Whitley's “Thorough-Bred” (sic) dogs have ominous names like “Bad Girl,” “Crush” and “Menace,” although “no dog fighting” symbols can also be found on the page.

He said he requires applications from prospective dog buyers and would alert authorities if anyone said they wanted one for fighting.

The words loyalty, security and companionship are part of the site's sales pitch, as are power game, gameness and extremely game. What exactly does that mean?

“It's willingness, tenacity, spirit,” Corcoran said, noting they're a play on words that could apply to any hunting dog.

“There's no denying it. These are (historically) bred as fighting dogs, but these dogs don't bite people,” Whitley said. He added that the gameness is put to good use around the house, where they pull wagons and sleds holding kids, cinder blocks or trees cleared from a back woodlot.

“They have to work every day, or they'll hurt each other,” Whitley acknowledged.

In the know

Beverly Animal Shelter owner Dallyn Jenkins said things were going smoothly considering the amount of testosterone involved with having three unneutered males.

Jenkins likes Whitley and he's always polite to shelter staff, she said, but added that he's earned the reputation he has among his neighbors.

“He's gotten what he deserves,” she said.

Jenkins would like to see a moratorium on pit bull breeding in Seneca County and contends that, overall, the proliferation of canines could be controlled by establishing and enforcing an annual $200 licensing fee for unspayed or uncastrated dogs.

Pit bull rescuer and SPCA Investigator Jenny WcWhorter of MacDougall is fond of the breed and does what she can to find safe homes for dogs that become unwanted. As her reputation has spread, her calls have increased. Five out of seven days last week, she was phoned by people wanting to give up their pit bulls. Worse, she said, is when owners set them free when they move or tire of caring for them.

Pit bull ownership has been banned or become tightly regulated in many places, and McWhorter said Seneca County is now overpopulated with them.

She became acquainted with Whitley about 18 months ago, when it looked like he was going to lose five unlicensed dogs. He wanted her to testify that the dogs had a safe temperament, but she's not qualified to assess behavior. Since her response wasn't what Whitley wanted, she said they are not friends.

In fact, she said, she told him then, “You're the problem, not the dogs.” Now her name is on the list of those he said he plans to sue.

Whitley said Wednesday that he expected her to be on his side and accused her of wavering when she saw Case was going hard on him.

McWhorter agrees with Whitley about keeping pit bulls well-exercised, but said increased fitness also makes them more formidable if they attack.

“If they pack up, it's like they have a switch turned on, and it's not easy to stop that. Robert can't control that. Proper fencing would be a wonderful thing,” she said.

Breeding puppies in the numbers that Whitley does exacerbates the local pit bull crisis, McWhorter added, noting that it's possible that some of the dogs she's rescued were bred by him.

Whitley's dogs were in pack mode when they cornered a severely injured a cat in a garage, causing its death.

Whitley becomes animated when he tells his side of that story.

“... I had 13 feral cats in my backyard, and my dogs chased them out,” Whitley said.

Ruth and George Bassett, who live across the road, were caring for the cat that died.

“Now watch this. Here's the trick. I told the old man: ‘If that's your cat, why doesn't it have a collar? My dogs won't attack anything with a collar,'” Whitley maintained.

The Bassetts say Whitley initially seemed sorry about the cat, but he blamed them for the assault, because the cat was not wearing a collar. He also accused them of reporting the incident only because he is black, they said.

“He has no verbal control over the dogs. He was there pulling the dogs off, and as he'd pull one off, another one would be right in there,” said Ruth Bassett, as she recalled the day three of Whitley's pit bulls inflicted puncture wounds and broke the cat's jaw in three places, sending it into shock.

The Bassetts also witnessed the April 12 incident with Allison Crowe as it unfolded in front of their home.

“Everybody has the right to walk up and down this road and not be attacked. I feel he's very irresponsible,” Ruth Bassett said, noting that Whitley seems to prefer releasing his dogs in the front yard, even though he has access to acreage behind his house.

Whitley is digging in his heels because, he said, he doesn't want to do anything that would appear to be an admission the dogs are dangerous.

At another home across from Whitley's, a new neighbor and her boyfriend, neither of whom wanted to be identified, said they had no problems with the dogs.

Discrimination

Whitley and Corcoran say they have been the target of discrimination since moved in four years ago. They even accuse the Varick Fire Department of purposely mishandling a fire that destroyed their first home at the site.

Varick Fire Company President Chuck Brust said “[we] did everything in our power” when that fire broke out.

“I was fire chief in charge that night,” said Brust, who recalled the effort, noting they'd used thermal imaging equipment four times to verify that the fire was out. He said when he went back the next morning, the doors were locked but things seemed fine when he looked in the windows. Two hours later, the department got a call that the home was engulfed in flames.

“It's hard to explain what happened in those two hours,” Brust said.

Whitley also accused John Vincent, dog control officer for 19 years, of using the pit bulls to plot against him.

“John Vincent is prejudiced like Justice Case. He said, ‘Robert, you and your dogs won't be here for long,'” said Whitley, who doesn't plan to move, even though he contends he has anxiety attacks brought on by duress from his neighbors, and that he now dresses his kids in hunter orange when they're outside because of his brush with Hagadorn.

Vincent and Case declined to comment because of pending cases.

“I'm going to sue the blood out of the Town of Varick,” threatened Whitley, who said “four or five” attorneys are advising him.

“Their butts are gonna get whipped,” Whitley's 5-year-old daughter chimed in.

“This is America and I don't need a lawyer. The system is set up so a bum can represent himself,” Whitley said.Corcoran appeared before Justice Case without an attorney April 17.

Evidence

Whitley can see what's going on in the road and driveway out front of his home via surveillance cameras and a small screen in his living room. Whitley said he has day and night footage from the last year and a half, including the April 12 scene. But he refused to show it, saying he'll use it to vindicate himself in court.

Whitley did, however, play a nearly four-minute scene he captured on his cell phone when he appeared before Justice Case on May 8, 2007. It shows an agitated Whitley haranguing Case as he sat quietly at his desk in the Varick courtroom. Corcoran and one of the couple's children were also present.

“Daddy was supposed to get a job, but they didn't call back,” piped up Whitley's son when the cell phone video ended. Whitley explained he'd applied for a job at a neighborhood kennel.

What's next

Corcoran is due back in court at 8 p.m. tonight.

Neighbor Bob McCann said he and other concerned neighbors plan to be in court and at tonight's town Planning Board meeting to ask about re-writing laws dealing with dogs and kennels.

“We're looking at different approaches,” said McCann, who added that he and others are determined to resolve what they consider an escalating menace in their neighborhood. McCann is calling for pressure on the Town Board and a public presence during court proceedings involving Whitley and Corcoran.

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Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 12:32 AM

Quote:
McWhorter agrees with Whitley about keeping pit bulls well-exercised, but said increased fitness also makes them more formidable if they attack.


Just for the record, that is not exactly what I said or meant but close enough. I think Paulette did a great job on the article(s) to present as much information as possible. It appears to me she put much time and effort into the article and her research. Thanks Paulette!
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 07:55 AM

Adjourned Again--typical game played buy these two, court again next Thursday and there will be a hearing with or without their lawyer, according to the judge.. Even MORE people showed up this time to support the victim(s)!
Posted by: L EE

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 09:25 AM

adjourned, why? Can we have details on last night? Thanks
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 09:46 AM

Her "new" lawyer was in another court.
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 10:07 AM

Originally Posted By: Lori
I live on the opposite end of the county from where this problem is. There is a problem with pit bulls and several other dangerous breeds here as well. With rent-to-own properties nearby, every scumbag that moves in every few months thinks that they need a vicious dog. They let them roam free to the point that you're afraid to go out, let alone take a walk or let your kids out alone in your own yard. This is not a Varick problem, it is a County wide issue that the County needs to address very soon. Why do you need such dangerous dogs? If it is for protection, believe me the robber will just shoot it. Buy homeowners insurance if your possessions are so valuable.

Oh btw - you won't need a lawyer when one of these dogs rips you apart. "The laws are written so that any idiot can represent themselves". I fell out of my chair laughing when I read that one. Why is he then consulting with 4-5 lawyers? My guess is he consulted with them and they all said he doesn't have a leg to stand on.


I would be more concerned about the "dangerous owners". I have interacted with these kinds of dogs and they can be the most loveable dogs when placed in the right hands. The owners are the ones who turn them into these dangerous dogs.
Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 10:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Yetta Nother


I would be more concerned about the "dangerous owners". I have interacted with these kinds of dogs and they can be the most loveable dogs when placed in the right hands. The owners are the ones who turn them into these dangerous dogs.



Thank You!!!!
Posted by: Taxpayer14456

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 11:08 AM

So bottom line here is, people don't want to be chased and attacked by dogs, people don't want their cats killed by dogs, people don't want dogs distrupting a family game on their deck and if this happens and you complain then your a racist?

And now the Varick Fire Department is racist because these firefighters, who are volunteer, left their homes and families and maybe even their jobs to go and put the fire out, thus doing their jobs.

He doesn't have a job but she does? This guy sounds like a real tool.
Posted by: myopinion2share

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 12:06 PM

What I completely cannot understand is if these owners are so in love with their animals, why would they NOT want a fence? It makes absolutely no sense. Even if they don't really care about the dogs on a personal level, you would think from a monetary standpoint they would want to protect their investments. What value is a dog that has been shot? Poisoned? Hit by a car?
Posted by: queenbee

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 12:27 PM

Business man my a** he's a "housedad" supported by his "lady friend" hahahaha. Another lowlife w/o a job trying to "sue" somebody/anybody so SC can support him the rest of his life.Out of the mouths of babes--"My daddy was suppose to get a job" and how funny is that? If the dogs are hers his "race" crap is all in his head, she probably bought them FOR him so he could pretend he had a job. This guy is too funny,under job history what does he put-- aaah I let the dogs out who,who? haha
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 01:02 PM

The fact that they brought their children to court with them shows what kind of tool these people really are.
Posted by: myopinion2share

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 01:11 PM

I'm sorry, it's hard to convey sarcasm when I typed that. \:\)
Posted by: AbuDhabi

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 01:55 PM

Originally Posted By: VM Smith
Originally Posted By: pixie
I live in the 5000 series east lake rd and if some ones dogs were loose and trying to get me more then once , sorry but they will be no longer . I know thats bad but I got mauled once and will not ever go through that again. antifreeze does the trick.


I think a poisoned porkchop might do it, too.


Ground glass. Pulverize a light bulb and mix the result in a pound of hamburger.

Not that I would ever advocate doing such a thing.
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 02:21 PM

I cannot see being cruel to these dogs....however if I was in a position where I was being cornered I would certainly shoot one of them. Radiator fluid, broken glass and such I don't think is the answer.
Posted by: Animal Lover

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 02:24 PM

Quote:
What value is a dog that has been shot? Poisoned? Hit by a car?


Exactly. It proves that they do not care about anything or anyone but themselves. I'm sure if one of their dogs get hit by a car it will be the driver's fault.

IMO, these two are just asking for a very severe lawsuit. It's bad enough people fear walking down the road but they are endangering motorists as well.

Even worse, what if a child is riding a bike this summer and the dogs come out causing the child to swerve into traffic?

OTOH, I agree with Yetta. All this talk about shooting the dogs or poisoning them is ignorant. The articles say the dogs have never bitten anyone. And the people that say they have been confronted by the dogs never have mentioned that the dogs bared their teeth or growled. As far as them killing a cat a pack of Beagles would do the same thing. I don't blame people for being afraid of the breed because of the stigma surrounding them but a little common sense goes a long way.

I've been around dogs and worked with dogs most of my life and I can honestly say I have never met a pitbull that was agressive. I'm more prone to get bit by a Cocker or poorly bred Lab.

Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 03:07 PM

I agree that if they were my money makers.....I would fence them in to protect my investments. Only an idiot can't see that.
Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 03:19 PM

I can't see ANY respected breeder taking care of their loved property by doing this to them ....

Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 03:23 PM

Me either. What I want to know is how the ones that are so small don't choke themselves to death.
Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 03:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Yetta Nother
Me either. What I want to know is how the ones that are so small don't choke themselves to death.


Or end up with rope burns around their little necks or legs from the nylon rope or maybe they do.
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 04:07 PM

"Ground glass. Pulverize a light bulb and mix the result in a pound of hamburger."

I'd MUCH rather do those things to him than to an innocent dog. I might kill a dog to save a human life, but torturing it is another matter entirely.

The dogs are just being dogs; he's being a real jerk.
Posted by: sparky's back

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 04:54 PM




Pit bull hearing delayed


By PAULETTE LIKOUDIS
Friday, April 25, 2008 9:36 AM CDT


VARICK - Thirty people, some of whom were prepared to give statements during a dangerous dog hearing for pit bull breeders Shannon Corcoran and Robert Whitley Jr., showed up at the Varick Town Hall last night only to learn that the proceeding will instead be held next Thursday at 8 p.m.

Seneca County sheriff's deputies made a security check of all who entered the building, and Corcoran and Whitley were noticeably subdued.

Speaking for the couple, Corcoran told Justice Frank Case that she had retained attorney Keith Lord of Phelps to represent them in the matter involving an April 12 incident in which six pit bulls from the couple's East Lake Road home allegedly intimidated Allison Crowe and her dog in the public roadway.

All but one of the dogs were seized under order by Case, who last night directed Corcoran to immediately provide a statement of representation from Lord. Corcoran agreed and said she would return next week with witnesses. Case made it clear that the hearing will take place next week, whether or not Corcoran is accompanied by counsel.

When the dogs were picked up last week by acting dog control officer Dorothy Comerford and staff from the Beverly Animal Shelter, it was believed that all were registered to Corcoran, however, two other individuals have stepped forward to claim two of the dogs.




After the true owners produced documentation, the dogs were released to them under the condition they not be taken back to the East Lake Road residence. One is reportedly an 8-month-old male that was standing by for breeding with a dog owned by Whitley and Corcoran.

Shelter owner Dallyn Jenkins said after last night's hearing that she and others involved are keeping close tabs on the situation.

Before last night's brief court session, the town's Planning Board met at the firehouse on Route 96A and heard from several East Lake Road residents who called for more stringent controls on dogs.

Among them were Shelley and Dan Pletcher, who have lived in the neighborhood for 24 years. Shelley Pletcher said Corcoran and Whitley's pit bulls have crossed an invisible fence on the couple's property to “attack” their dog. She also expressed her concern for the safety of the pit bulls, known to roam the area at times.

“The last thing I want to do is run over somebody's dog,” said Shelley Pletcher.

Her husband said the ongoing loose dog threat is causing neighbors to lose patience.

“It's going to get to the point where citizens take matters into their own hands,” he said.

Resident Bob McCann, who has become a visible organizer of neighbors, read a statement citing his concerns.

Planning Board Chair Bob Kayser suggested that all residents with an interest in the matter make their thoughts known to members of the Town Board.

After the public comment portion of the meeting ended, Kayser and other Planning Board members went through a proposed draft of an animal control law for the town. The multi-faceted law would cover regulations, impoundment, complaints, enforcement, penalties, seizure of animals and town liability.

“The Planning Board worked on the draft for over an hour, reviewing it line by line. We made changes that the board agreed enhanced the effectiveness of the ordinance, and it has been forwarded to the Town Board for its consideration,” said Kayser.

“After the Town Board has made any modifications they feel are necessary, presuming they will take it forward, it will then go to public hearing before final adoption,” Kayser added.

He noted that the Planning Board was unanimous in its support of the proposed law, which will be posted on the town's Web site at http://www.varickny.com.

fltimes@fltimes.com



Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 05:18 PM

Thanks for the info. It will probably be a good move, depending on how it's written. If it's not, it can always be modified later, but for now, any ordinance is better than none, IMO.
Posted by: aurteen

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 06:48 PM

Originally Posted By: sparky's back



Pit bull hearing delayed


By PAULETTE LIKOUDIS
Friday, April 25, 2008 9:36 AM CDT


VARICK - Thirty people, some of whom were prepared to give statements during a dangerous dog hearing for pit bull breeders Shannon Corcoran and Robert Whitley Jr., showed up at the Varick Town Hall last night only to learn that the proceeding will instead be held next Thursday at 8 p.m.

Seneca County sheriff's deputies made a security check of all who entered the building, and Corcoran and Whitley were noticeably subdued.

Speaking for the couple, Corcoran told Justice Frank Case that she had retained attorney Keith Lord of Phelps to represent them in the matter involving an April 12 incident in which six pit bulls from the couple's East Lake Road home allegedly intimidated Allison Crowe and her dog in the public roadway.

All but one of the dogs were seized under order by Case, who last night directed Corcoran to immediately provide a statement of representation from Lord. Corcoran agreed and said she would return next week with witnesses. Case made it clear that the hearing will take place next week, whether or not Corcoran is accompanied by counsel.

When the dogs were picked up last week by acting dog control officer Dorothy Comerford and staff from the Beverly Animal Shelter, it was believed that all were registered to Corcoran, however, two other individuals have stepped forward to claim two of the dogs.




After the true owners produced documentation, the dogs were released to them under the condition they not be taken back to the East Lake Road residence. One is reportedly an 8-month-old male that was standing by for breeding with a dog owned by Whitley and Corcoran.

Shelter owner Dallyn Jenkins said after last night's hearing that she and others involved are keeping close tabs on the situation.

Before last night's brief court session, the town's Planning Board met at the firehouse on Route 96A and heard from several East Lake Road residents who called for more stringent controls on dogs.

Among them were Shelley and Dan Pletcher, who have lived in the neighborhood for 24 years. Shelley Pletcher said Corcoran and Whitley's pit bulls have crossed an invisible fence on the couple's property to “attack” their dog. She also expressed her concern for the safety of the pit bulls, known to roam the area at times.

“The last thing I want to do is run over somebody's dog,” said Shelley Pletcher.

Her husband said the ongoing loose dog threat is causing neighbors to lose patience.

“It's going to get to the point where citizens take matters into their own hands,” he said.

Resident Bob McCann, who has become a visible organizer of neighbors, read a statement citing his concerns.

Planning Board Chair Bob Kayser suggested that all residents with an interest in the matter make their thoughts known to members of the Town Board.

After the public comment portion of the meeting ended, Kayser and other Planning Board members went through a proposed draft of an animal control law for the town. The multi-faceted law would cover regulations, impoundment, complaints, enforcement, penalties, seizure of animals and town liability.

“The Planning Board worked on the draft for over an hour, reviewing it line by line. We made changes that the board agreed enhanced the effectiveness of the ordinance, and it has been forwarded to the Town Board for its consideration,” said Kayser.

“After the Town Board has made any modifications they feel are necessary, presuming they will take it forward, it will then go to public hearing before final adoption,” Kayser added.

He noted that the Planning Board was unanimous in its support of the proposed law, which will be posted on the town's Web site at http://www.varickny.com.

fltimes@fltimes.com








Main Entry: vig·i·lan·te
Pronunciation: \ˌvi-jə-ˈlan-tē\
Function: noun
Etymology: Spanish, watchman, guard, from vigilante vigilant, from Latin vigilant-, vigilans
Date: 1856
: a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate); broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice
— vig·i·lan·tism \-ˈlan-ˌti-zəm\ noun

ELR Gang!!! any relation to the James Gang

The kids are wrong but you guys put a shame to the words intellegent & mature adults. I hear the words antifreeze put into meat (Sounds Sugestive) and I understand a few of you runs the Town Of Varick? God help them
Posted by: sparky's back

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 06:52 PM

Maybe you should write a letter to the editor?
Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 06:53 PM






Originally Posted By: aurteen


Main Entry: vig·i·lan·te
Pronunciation: \ˌvi-jə-ˈlan-tē\
Function: noun
Etymology: Spanish, watchman, guard, from vigilante vigilant, from Latin vigilant-, vigilans
Date: 1856
: a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate); broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice
— vig·i·lan·tism \-ˈlan-ˌti-zəm\ noun

ELR Gang!!! any relation to the James Gang

The kids are wrong but you guys put a shame to the words intellegent & mature adults and I understand a few of you runs the Town Of Varick? God help them


Could someone translate this for me?
Posted by: sparky's back

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 06:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Carerinoa





Originally Posted By: aurteen


Main Entry: vig·i·lan·te
Pronunciation: \ˌvi-jə-ˈlan-tē\
Function: noun
Etymology: Spanish, watchman, guard, from vigilante vigilant, from Latin vigilant-, vigilans
Date: 1856
: a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate); broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice
— vig·i·lan·tism \-ˈlan-ˌti-zəm\ noun

ELR Gang!!! any relation to the James Gang

The kids are wrong but you guys put a shame to the words intellegent & mature adults and I understand a few of you runs the Town Of Varick? God help them


Could someone translate this for me?
Posted by: aurteen

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 06:58 PM

I point exactally, you don't even know when you're insulted
Posted by: sparky's back

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 07:00 PM

Originally Posted By: aurteen
I point exactally, you don't even know when you're insulted


Haha YOU could never insult me ..Especially when I DID NOT print the article,DUH
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 07:01 PM

I proot exicturily.

Okay, your turn again.
Posted by: aurteen

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 07:02 PM

Originally Posted By: sparky's back
Maybe you should write a letter to the editor?



I'm afraid you guys may come after me also (smile)
Posted by: aurteen

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 07:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Festus!
Originally Posted By: VM Smith
Originally Posted By: pixie
I live in the 5000 series east lake rd and if some ones dogs were loose and trying to get me more then once , sorry but they will be no longer . I know thats bad but I got mauled once and will not ever go through that again. antifreeze does the trick.


I think a poisoned porkchop might do it, too.



Vigilante behavior
An impetus of vigilant behavior must exist to facilitate a subjective definition of vigilantism.

"Vigilante justice" is sometimes spurred on by the perception that criminal punishment is insufficient or nonexistent to the crime. Some people see their governments as ineffective in enforcing the law; thus, such individuals fulfill the like-minded wishes of the community. In other instances, a person may choose a role of vigilante as a result of personal experience as opposed to a social demand. Most significantly, some vigilantes specifically target authoritarian entities such as government.

Persons seen as escaping from the law, or "above the law" are sometimes the targets of vigilantism.[1] It may target persons or organizations involved in illegal activities in general or it may be aimed against a specific group or type of activity, e.g. police corruption. Other times, governmental corruption is the prime target of vigilante freedom fighters.

Vigilante behavior may differ in degree of violence. In some cases vigilantes may assault targets verbally, terrorize victims, perform inhumane acts, or may exhibit no violence at all, choosing other means of pressuring the target. Anyone who defies government and institution to further justice can be considered a vigilante, and thus violence is not a necessary criterion.


A .357 also works well.






I really thought we Clifton Springs folk were tough but wow!!!!
Posted by: ilovemy2

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 07:14 PM

all i know is that those children do not have any TRUE understanding of what is really going on with the situation. they know that they took some of their dogs away and of course to children who have been around the dogs since they were pups is sad to a child. i do not agree in any way,shape or form that those two children should have their comments quoted in the FLT. they are innocent children. they are molded to believe what they are told. they live in geneva with their mom and i know for a fact that she is very upset by all this and does stress to her children what is right and wrong. i understand that everyone is trying to make a point that they do not agree with Whitley and Corcoran BUT please people leave the children out of this!!!!
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 07:20 PM

Originally Posted By: aurteen
Originally Posted By: Festus!
Originally Posted By: VM Smith
Originally Posted By: pixie
I live in the 5000 series east lake rd and if some ones dogs were loose and trying to get me more then once , sorry but they will be no longer . I know thats bad but I got mauled once and will not ever go through that again. antifreeze does the trick.


I think a poisoned porkchop might do it, too.



Vigilante behavior
An impetus of vigilant behavior must exist to facilitate a subjective definition of vigilantism.

"Vigilante justice" is sometimes spurred on by the perception that criminal punishment is insufficient or nonexistent to the crime. Some people see their governments as ineffective in enforcing the law; thus, such individuals fulfill the like-minded wishes of the community. In other instances, a person may choose a role of vigilante as a result of personal experience as opposed to a social demand. Most significantly, some vigilantes specifically target authoritarian entities such as government.

Persons seen as escaping from the law, or "above the law" are sometimes the targets of vigilantism.[1] It may target persons or organizations involved in illegal activities in general or it may be aimed against a specific group or type of activity, e.g. police corruption. Other times, governmental corruption is the prime target of vigilante freedom fighters.

Vigilante behavior may differ in degree of violence. In some cases vigilantes may assault targets verbally, terrorize victims, perform inhumane acts, or may exhibit no violence at all, choosing other means of pressuring the target. Anyone who defies government and institution to further justice can be considered a vigilante, and thus violence is not a necessary criterion.


A .357 also works well.






I really thought we Clifton Springs folk were tough but wow!!!!



You'd probably be surprised at what people will do to protect themselves and their families from maiming or death.
Posted by: Believe

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 07:48 PM

Originally Posted By: aurteen
[
Main Entry: vig·i·lan·te
Pronunciation: \ˌvi-jə-ˈlan-tē\
Function: noun
Etymology: Spanish, watchman, guard, from vigilante vigilant, from Latin vigilant-, vigilans
Date: 1856
: a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate); broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice
— vig·i·lan·tism \-ˈlan-ˌti-zəm\ noun

ELR Gang!!! any relation to the James Gang

The kids are wrong but you guys put a shame to the words intellegent & mature adults. I hear the words antifreeze put into meat (Sounds Sugestive) and I understand a few of you runs the Town Of Varick? God help them



To imply any vigilante action by any of my neighbors or people of Varick is as ignorant and misguided as the ridiculous racism claims. As far as I know NO ONE who posts on here "runs" or is on any government entity for the Town of Varick, you are extremely misinformed if you believe that.
I agree that the children should have been left out. Too late since it has been Mr. Whitley and Ms. Corcoran who bring them to court and Town Board meetings. It is Mr. Whitley who has used profanity and hurled insults at community members, board members, and law enforcement, in the children’s presence, so take that argument somewhere else.
To the people who are posting the asinine stuff about anti freeze and light bulbs, please stop, you are not helping our cause, and only adding fuel to the defendants dwindling fire of excuses.
Good evening.
Bob M.
Posted by: aurteen

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 07:53 PM

Originally Posted By: BobM
Originally Posted By: aurteen
[
Main Entry: vig·i·lan·te
Pronunciation: \ˌvi-jə-ˈlan-tē\
Function: noun
Etymology: Spanish, watchman, guard, from vigilante vigilant, from Latin vigilant-, vigilans
Date: 1856
: a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate); broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice
— vig·i·lan·tism \-ˈlan-ˌti-zəm\ noun

ELR Gang!!! any relation to the James Gang

The kids are wrong but you guys put a shame to the words intellegent & mature adults. I hear the words antifreeze put into meat (Sounds Sugestive) and I understand a few of you runs the Town Of Varick? God help them



To imply any vigilante action by any of my neighbors or people of Varick is as ignorant and misguided as the ridiculous racism claims. As far as I know NO ONE who posts on here "runs" or is on any government entity for the Town of Varick, you are extremely misinformed if you believe that.
I agree that the children should have been left out. Too late since it has been Mr. Whitley and Ms. Corcoran who bring them to court and Town Board meetings. It is Mr. Whitley who has used profanity and hurled insults at community members, board members, and law enforcement, in the children’s presence, so take that argument somewhere else.
To the people who are posting the asinine stuff about anti freeze and light bulbs, please stop, you are not helping our cause, and only adding fuel to the defendants dwindling fire of excuses.
Good evening.
Bob M.



Well said BobM but a rose by any other name is still a rose. Ps Our source of information is Very, very reliable, believe me
Posted by: Shalom

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 08:46 PM

OTOH, I agree with Yetta. All this talk about shooting the dogs or poisoning them is ignorant. The articles say the dogs have never bitten anyone. And the people that say they have been confronted by the dogs never have mentioned that the dogs bared their teeth or growled. As far as them killing a cat a pack of Beagles would do the same thing. I don't blame people for being afraid of the breed because of the stigma surrounding them but a little common sense goes a long way.


In response to this earlier post above, I have encountered a few of these dogs when they were tied to trees in the front yard and they definitely bared their teeth. They are hardly in the same category as beagles!
Posted by: notsofast

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/25/08 10:04 PM

I don't live there but feel sorry for the people who do. And for the kids and dogs.
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/26/08 12:43 AM

Or what if a child is riding a bike this summer and the dogs come out and tear it to bits?

I don't think that people are afraid of the dogs because of "stigma"; I think it's because their common sense tells them that since pitbulls have killed people in the past, it could also happen to them.

You're right; a pack of beagles might do the same thing, and since it's all the same to the cat or to its owners, no dogs should be allowed to roam; and that's all people are asking.

If the owners, or law officers and county officials don't take care of the threat and danger, somebody else will. I'd feel sorry for the dogs, in that event, but I couldn't blame anyone.

The people didn't say that the dogs had bared their teeth or growled? What are you smoking?

"On Saturday a person was walking their dog down East Lake Road passing by the house where the pitt bulls live. The bulls were outside with their owner and when said person walked by, the 6 pitt bulls ran out of their yard and across the road and attacked the dog walking by. A passer by in a car saved the walker and her dog from further injury by stopping and getting her in their car.
Bottom line of this story is last summer the East Lake Road residents were harassed by this man and his dogs. Walkers and joggers were attacked, a cat was killed and neighbors were forced to be aware as to whether the pitt bulls were outside when they wanted to be outside themselves."

Or are you saying that Deadeye1 was lying when he put that on this thread?

Posted by: AbuDhabi

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/26/08 07:40 AM

Originally Posted By: aurteen
I hear the words antifreeze put into meat (Sounds Sugestive) and I understand a few of you runs the Town Of Varick?


Yeah, that's me, I "runs" the Town of Varick. Anything I can do for you before I throw you in jail for insulting the honor of the town?
Posted by: marlboronymom

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/26/08 09:50 AM

Originally Posted By: VM Smith
Or what if a child is riding a bike this summer and the dogs come out and tear it to bits?

I don't think that people are afraid of the dogs because of "stigma"; I think it's because their common sense tells them that since pitbulls have killed people in the past, it could also happen to them.

You're right; a pack of beagles might do the same thing, and since it's all the same to the cat or to its owners, no dogs should be allowed to roam; and that's all people are asking.

If the owners, or law officers and county officials don't take care of the threat and danger, somebody else will. I'd feel sorry for the dogs, in that event, but I couldn't blame anyone.

The people didn't say that the dogs had bared their teeth or growled? What are you smoking?

"On Saturday a person was walking their dog down East Lake Road passing by the house where the pitt bulls live. The bulls were outside with their owner and when said person walked by, the 6 pitt bulls ran out of their yard and across the road and attacked the dog walking by. A passer by in a car saved the walker and her dog from further injury by stopping and getting her in their car.
Bottom line of this story is last summer the East Lake Road residents were harassed by this man and his dogs. Walkers and joggers were attacked, a cat was killed and neighbors were forced to be aware as to whether the pitt bulls were outside when they wanted to be outside themselves."

Or are you saying that Deadeye1 was lying when he put that on this thread?



About 25 years ago EXACTLY THAT happened to a girl I used to baby sit. She was riding her bike with two other neighbor girls. They were almost down to what used to be "Lake Housing". You would think that Varick would have done something after she was "attacked", but they didn't!!!!!!!
Posted by: queenbee

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/26/08 04:25 PM

aurteen, if you are from Geneva and IF YOU CAN READ then you know pitbull attacks are not uncommon, unfortunately it takes ppl being maimed or killed to get the attention of ignorance. What do you think happens to those dogs? They r put down, are ppl on ELR suppose to wait for that to happen before these idiots are dealt with?? And the children, omg their father brought them into this bringing them to court to see how "unfairly" the law treats their "father". Ok can u just imagine what those kids are hearing about this situation from "daddyand his lady friend" now that is where the kids are being wronged. They are being taught it's ok to scare the hell out of your neighbors, yell obsenities at strangers,and that if daddy can't get a job it's everyone elses fault and you should somehow "find" a way to get money from other ppl by yelling "racist" when things don't go your way. And plz stay in school or go back and learn English.
Posted by: aurteen

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/26/08 04:49 PM

Originally Posted By: queenbee
aurteen, if you are from Geneva and IF YOU CAN READ then you know pitbull attacks are not uncommon, unfortunately it takes ppl being maimed or killed to get the attention of ignorance. What do you think happens to those dogs? They r put down, are ppl on ELR suppose to wait for that to happen before these idiots are dealt with?? And the children, omg their father brought them into this bringing them to court to see how "unfairly" the law treats their "father". Ok can u just imagine what those kids are hearing about this situation from "daddyand his lady friend" now that is where the kids are being wronged. They are being taught it's ok to scare the hell out of your neighbors, yell obsenities at strangers,and that if daddy can't get a job it's everyone elses fault and you should somehow "find" a way to get money from other ppl by yelling "racist" when things don't go your way. And plz stay in school or go back and learn English.




First of all, what gives you any impression I hail from Geneva? Is that where all the low life & ignorant live? I speak very well , just type very poorly(smile) In my defence , I ask you to look back a few blogs and read all the responses I posted. Not in defence of Whitley & Corcoran but in their protection of a fair hearing but your ignorance proceeded your ability to read thoughly before responding. you not only show a lack of good judgement but show a disregard for decent people outside your realm of life. Have a good day Madam if you qualify to be called thus!!!!
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/26/08 06:28 PM

The man, Stahlkuppe who "wrote the book" literally on the American Pit Bull Terrier breed says...

Stahlkuppe (1995) "The American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT), or the AmStaff, is certainly not the right pet for everyone. Being a powerful dog, it will require sufficient and adequate control. Some prospective elderly owners or children, will not be able to supply that control... A first-time dog owner, in the minds of many experienced dog breeders, should not buy an APBT or an AmStaff! An insecure person who wants only an aggressive dog to bolster some personal human inadequacy should never become an owner of one of these dogs. An uncaring or negligent person should not buy an AmStaff or an APBT (or any other dog for that matter)."
Posted by: aurteen

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/26/08 06:48 PM

Originally Posted By: flbuldog
The man, Stahlkuppe who "wrote the book" literally on the American Pit Bull Terrier breed says...

Stahlkuppe (1995) "The American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT), or the AmStaff, is certainly not the right pet for everyone. Being a powerful dog, it will require sufficient and adequate control. Some prospective elderly owners or children, will not be able to supply that control... A first-time dog owner, in the minds of many experienced dog breeders, should not buy an APBT or an AmStaff! An insecure person who wants only an aggressive dog to bolster some personal human inadequacy should never become an owner of one of these dogs. An uncaring or negligent person should not buy an AmStaff or an APBT (or any other dog for that matter)."




I agree
I defend no one who's outside the law,Only defend the upholding of the Law!!! It only takes away from the ELR fine people when some poster use ignorance to make their point. Queen was way out of line to offend possibly the decent people from Geneva or surrounding Fingerlakes area
Posted by: mommy1

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/26/08 07:01 PM

The REAL mom of Whitleys 2 older kids should step up and get thoses kids away from that place. The kids run around with those dogs, God forbid the dogs ever go after one of the kids. It's obvious the dogs do not always obey. How would he get them off his kid when he couldn't even get them off a cat??!! I'm surprised social services hasn't been called out there yet. He is endangering the welfare of this children.
Posted by: athena1

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/26/08 07:23 PM

I keep reading where people or dogs have been "attacked" -- when they say attacked are they saying they were bitten and had blood drawn-- and if they have bitten somebody, why didn't the paper report this to anyone?
Posted by: aurteen

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/26/08 07:37 PM

Hmmmmmm!!!!
Posted by: reilley

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/26/08 08:27 PM

hopefully folks The Court System will handle this the right way.
I hope that the homeowners INSURANCE Co. knows that they raise PBT and that they are in court over the PBT.
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/26/08 08:27 PM

" I speak very well , just type very poorly"

Actually, your typing isn't bad; it's what you type that is. I've no doubt that you speak better than you write, because, in speaking, one doesn't have to spell, knowledge of word meaning isn't as important, as in "your/you're", for instance, and because lack of punctuational skill isn't nearly as apparent.

Also, the necessity of having to occasionally take a breath can somewhat disguise the inability to properly form sentences and paragraphs.

Speaking is much more intuitive and fluid, and less logical and structured, than is writing.

In speaking one mostly has to think of what he is trying to convey, and much less about what he is actually saying, and a little less, even, about how he is saying it, than in writing.

Speaking is both an art and a craft, as is writing, but it is more the former. One can be a blithering idiot and still be known as a great and intelligent orator, for instance, if one merely has cadence, passion, and a good voice, with some nifty gestures thrown in for good measure.

Writing is a little different; you can't dazzle 'em with your voice, cadence, emphasis, and gestures, and they can't see or read your face or tone.

Unfairly or not, if you can't bring a certain orderly logic to writing, if your craftsmanship sucks, and if you don't exercise proper care, people will often decide that you're stupid, even if that's not the case, and they'll often discount what you have to say, even if it's the wisest thing in the world.

It cuts the other way, too; if you can write well, you can often persuade people, even on those many occasions when they'd be much better served by just remembering what their mothers told them :-)
Posted by: Sweetcakes

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/26/08 08:30 PM

god are you a english teacher?
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/26/08 08:44 PM

Originally Posted By: flbuldog
The man, Stahlkuppe who "wrote the book" literally on the American Pit Bull Terrier breed says...

Stahlkuppe (1995) "The American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT), or the AmStaff, is certainly not the right pet for everyone. Being a powerful dog, it will require sufficient and adequate control. Some prospective elderly owners or children, will not be able to supply that control... A first-time dog owner, in the minds of many experienced dog breeders, should not buy an APBT or an AmStaff! An insecure person who wants only an aggressive dog to bolster some personal human inadequacy should never become an owner of one of these dogs. An uncaring or negligent person should not buy an AmStaff or an APBT (or any other dog for that matter)."



I don't disagree with a thing. As an "other dog" owner (2 large rott crosses), I'd NEVER let them run free.

One thing to consider is that dogs WILL act as a pack; it's their nature, and when they do, the personality dynamics change somewhat.

There should be some "rule of thumb" which says something like, "Letting two dogs run free and together is not twice, but four times as problematical as letting one dog do so.".
Posted by: aurteen

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/26/08 08:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Sweetcakes
god are you a english teacher?


Guess so because he sure told me. But I'm still the smart one though because he tries to mask his ignorance by articulating himself with jibberish that "IS" in the English Dictionary. Learn to put it all together to make a valid point teach!!

Teaching
Teachers need the ability to understand a subject well enough to convey its essence to a new generation of students.[citation needed] The goal is to establish a sound knowledge base on which students will be able to build as they are exposed to different life experiences.The passing of knowledge from generation to generation allows students to grow into useful members of society.Good teachers can translate information, good judgment, experience and wisdom into relevant knowledge that a student can understand and retain.
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/26/08 09:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Sweetcakes
god are you a english teacher?


No. Abu is, so send all complaints to him. \:\) I'm just a geezerly old school taxpayer, who laments the passing of the notion that writing is an important skill, even if one isn't in one of the writing or teaching trades.

For instance, one reason I dropped the FLT about 8 years ago is that I got tired of translating it into English, so that I could figure out what they were trying to say.

It's hard enough just bearing up under all the daily bad news, without also having to figure out what it actually is.

Please cut me some slack; maybe someday you'll be old and peevish, too. \:\)
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/26/08 09:06 PM

"Teachers need the ability to understand a subject well enough to convey its essence"

My point was that for people in general, and not just teachers, understanding a subject is pretty useless if they can't explain what they know to others.
Posted by: GirlInTheWorld

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/26/08 09:08 PM

Good Evening All,
My name is Penelope, I work with Shannon. I recently had a Letter to the Editor published in the FingerLakes Times. I don't have a copy with me, but I urge people to read it. One line that I stand by, 'Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought'. Please people, don't judge based on what you hear second hand. I have been going through Shannon with this From The Beginning. There are SO MANY THINGS that are NOT being reported because they are favorable to the dogs ~ it makes this case completely unfair. I have to say ~ A DOG IS NOT BORN DANGEROUS BECAUSE IT IS BORN A PIT BULL. Shannon's dogs are brought up in a family environment. I have two rescue dogs that were abused by humans mistreating and mishandling them, and I'll tell you what - they are less predictable than Shannons dogs anyday because of how humans handled them. The point is, a dog isn't dangerous because it's a pit bull. A dog isn't safe because it's a black lab. Please, think outside of your safety zone. Get to know Shannon & Rob - be decent to them. Ask Their side of the story, listen to Their side of the story, because believe me, It's Not Being Told. Do any of you have family, friends, or neighbors who have been bitten by a dog? Chances are you do. And chances are it wasn't a pit bull. Let's take it a step further - if these pit bulls are so dangerous, how is it that no blood has been shed thus far? Read up on truly dangerous pit bulls and what results from their attacks. If any of the stories that people related were true, there would have been bloodshed if the pit bulls were aggressive at all.
This is my first posting ever. I hope that the people on this site can be decent enough to give it a fair read. Thank you for your time, and really, I encourage you to learn more about Shannon, Rob, and their dogs before you take a stand against them.
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/26/08 09:11 PM

You're missing the point. People aren't complaining about the dogs; they are complaining about the fact that the dogs are allowed to wander onto public property, and the private property of others.
Posted by: AbuDhabi

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/26/08 11:15 PM

Originally Posted By: GirlInTheWorld
Good Evening All,
My name is Penelope, I work with Shannon. I recently had a Letter to the Editor published in the FingerLakes Times. I don't have a copy with me, but I urge people to read it. One line that I stand by, 'Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought'.


Here on the forums, we like to analyze the quality of thought. If you're a thinker, you've come to the right place. So let's see what we've got...

Quote:
Please people, don't judge based on what you hear second hand. I have been going through Shannon with this From The Beginning. There are SO MANY THINGS that are NOT being reported because they are favorable to the dogs ~ it makes this case completely unfair. I have to say ~ A DOG IS NOT BORN DANGEROUS BECAUSE IT IS BORN A PIT BULL. Shannon's dogs are brought up in a family environment. I have two rescue dogs that were abused by humans mistreating and mishandling them, and I'll tell you what - they are less predictable than Shannons dogs anyday because of how humans handled them. The point is, a dog isn't dangerous because it's a pit bull. A dog isn't safe because it's a black lab. Please, think outside of your safety zone.


Okay -- you are claiming that pit bulls are not dangerous. Your evidence is a comparison of two "rescue dogs" that were mistreated to your friend's dogs; is this a fair comparison? Are these mistreated "rescue dogs" typical of non-pit-bull dogs? Are your friend's dogs typical pit bulls? Either a very large sample or a sufficiently large random sample is necessary in order to draw statistically valid conclusions about differences between two groups; you are using small, non-random, apparently atypical samples. This points out one of the dangers of inductive reasoning: You cannot make valid generalizations using small amounts of data.

You mention predictability; How do you measure that? Your methodology is important.

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Get to know Shannon & Rob - be decent to them. Ask Their side of the story, listen to Their side of the story, because believe me, It's Not Being Told.


They are welcome to join us for a little heart-to-heart any time, right here in our cozy little forums.

Quote:
Do any of you have family, friends, or neighbors who have been bitten by a dog? Chances are you do. And chances are it wasn't a pit bull.


Right! However, it was a dog that was "brought up in a family environment", as were the pit bulls you mention. You see, a dog is a dog, and a dog is always a dog, if you get my drift. You can trust a dog only to be a dog, and it is in a dog's nature to pack, to track, to chase, to attack, and to bite. If a dog does not do these things, it is usually because the dog is under some sort of externally imposed control. And that's what people want to see from your friends: Control.

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Let's take it a step further - if these pit bulls are so dangerous, how is it that no blood has been shed thus far?


Here's an analogous question: If my .38 Special is so dangerous, how is that no blood has been shed by it thus far?

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Read up on truly dangerous pit bulls and what results from their attacks. If any of the stories that people related were true, there would have been bloodshed if the pit bulls were aggressive at all.


Every process takes time to unfold. But here's another analogy for you: I had a friend who used to get DWIs every once in a while. He resented the cops' intrusion into his business, and he claimed that there was nothing wrong with driving drunk as long as he didn't hurt anybody. "When I kill somebody," he would say, "That's when the cops should come after me. Not before." What do you think of that? Should he have been allowed to drive drunk because he was a good drunk driver?

Quote:
This is my first posting ever. I hope that the people on this site can be decent enough to give it a fair read. Thank you for your time, and really, I encourage you to learn more about Shannon, Rob, and their dogs before you take a stand against them.


Welcome to the forums! We are a kindly, friendly folk, and we'd love to hear more from you and your friends.

Please let me know if I have misinterpreted your points.
Posted by: AbuDhabi

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/26/08 11:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Sweetcakes
god are you a english teacher?


*snicker*

His quality of thought and talent for self-expression surpass those of many an English teacher. Trust me on this.
Posted by: AbuDhabi

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/26/08 11:29 PM

Originally Posted By: VM Smith
I don't disagree with a thing. As an "other dog" owner (2 large rott crosses), I'd NEVER let them run free.


Me neither. I had a sweet little border collie that used to behave just like a dog if I let him get out of my sight.
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/27/08 12:58 AM

LOL! That just about says it all; a dog is always a dog, even if he's your little sweetheart.
Posted by: AbuDhabi

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/27/08 01:49 AM

Originally Posted By: GirlInTheWorld
A DOG IS NOT BORN DANGEROUS BECAUSE IT IS BORN A PIT BULL.

[...]

A dog isn't safe because it's a black lab.


I think we're getting there... Even a black lab is not safe...

How about "A dog is born dangerous because it is born a dog"?

Does that work?

"A dog is born dangerous because it is born a dog"...

therefore

ALL DOGS SHOULD BE CONTROLLED BY THEIR OWNERS - ?
Posted by: CitizenStraub

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/27/08 03:14 AM

Originally Posted By: GirlInTheWorld
Let's take it a step further - if these pit bulls are so dangerous, how is it that no blood has been shed thus far?


So are we supposed to sit by and wait for blood to be shed before we take any action? I think the answer to your question is LUCK. There are a few people who were very lucky that a passing motorist stopped to assist before the dogs had a chance to get a hold of them. Next time we might not be so lucky.
Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/27/08 08:18 AM

Originally Posted By: CitizenStraub
Originally Posted By: GirlInTheWorld
Let's take it a step further - if these pit bulls are so dangerous, how is it that no blood has been shed thus far?


So are we supposed to sit by and wait for blood to be shed before we take any action? I think the answer to your question is LUCK. There are a few people who were very lucky that a passing motorist stopped to assist before the dogs had a chance to get a hold of them. Next time we might not be so lucky.


There has been blood shed. Unless shes trying to say that someones beloved pet cat that was attacked and killed doesn't matter. Then again maybe we're all suposed to wait around until it is a human. Now how rediculous would that be.

They claim to love these dogs yet ALL their actions say different.
Posted by: Animal Lover

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/27/08 09:41 AM

Originally Posted By: Shalom
OTOH, I agree with Yetta. All this talk about shooting the dogs or poisoning them is ignorant. The articles say the dogs have never bitten anyone. And the people that say they have been confronted by the dogs never have mentioned that the dogs bared their teeth or growled. As far as them killing a cat a pack of Beagles would do the same thing. I don't blame people for being afraid of the breed because of the stigma surrounding them but a little common sense goes a long way.


In response to this earlier post above, I have encountered a few of these dogs when they were tied to trees in the front yard and they definitely bared their teeth. They are hardly in the same category as beagles!


I wasn't comparing beagles and pit bulls in attacking humans, but killing other animals. A pack of mixed breed dogs will kill a cat or chase deer if allowed to roam.

I stand corrected if people are saying these dogs are tied to trees and rocks in the front yard and are lunging and baring teeth at people. I thought they were running out into the road as a pack and scaring people.

In reply to VMSmith, NO, I'm not smoking anything, but a lot of people are saying they were attacked or their dogs were attacked but has anyone actually been injured or has blood been drawn on other dogs? Are there medical reports? Dogs approaching and intimidating are not attacking. I understand the difference is only technical but I would much rather be only frightened than actually frightened and bleeding. I also agree it is only a matter of time before there is blood if this is allowed to continue.

I am by no means sticking up for these idiots who are allowing their dogs to behave this way by not keeping them confined. Again, I understand why people would be afraid of these dogs. I think people should be using common sense in that until this situation is resolved do not leave your pets outside unsupervised if you live in the neighborhood and definitely do not walk past that house. It's not fair that people have to give up their rights but it is too much of a risk at this point.

Also, other breeds HAVE killed people including a pack of beagles. I recall a true story of a pack of beagles breaking through a screen door into a house, killing a baby. Any group of dogs (especially prey driven dogs) joining together can become wild and once they taste blood it doesn't matter how sweet they are at home.
Posted by: Sweetcakes

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/27/08 10:17 AM

Lol. Glory Days.
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/27/08 11:17 AM

Originally Posted By: GirlInTheWorld
Good Evening All,
My name is Penelope, I work with Shannon. I recently had a Letter to the Editor published in the FingerLakes Times. I don't have a copy with me, but I urge people to read it. One line that I stand by, 'Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the
discomfort of thought'. Please people, don't judge based on what you hear second hand. I have been going through Shannon with this From The Beginning. There are SO MANY THINGS that are NOT being reported because they are favorable to the dogs ~ it makes this case completely unfair. I have to say ~ A DOG IS NOT BORN DANGEROUS BECAUSE IT IS BORN A PIT BULL. Shannon's dogs are brought up in a family environment. I have two rescue dogs that were abused by humans mistreating and mishandling them, and I'll tell you what - they are less predictable than Shannons dogs anyday because of how humans handled them. The point is, a dog isn't dangerous because it's a pit bull. A dog isn't safe because it's a black lab. Please, think outside of your safety zone. Get to know Shannon & Rob - be decent to them. Ask Their side of the story, listen to Their side of the story, because believe me, It's Not Being Told. Do any of you have family, friends, or neighbors who have been bitten by a dog? Chances are you do. And chances are it wasn't a pit bull. Let's take it a step further - if these pit bulls are so dangerous, how is it that no blood has been shed thus far? Read up on truly dangerous pit bulls and what results from their attacks. If any of the stories that people related were true, there would have been bloodshed if the pit bulls were aggressive at all.
This is my first posting ever. I hope that the people on this site can be decent enough to give it a fair read. Thank you for your time, and really, I encourage you to learn more about Shannon, Rob, and their dogs before you take a stand against them.


I read your letter to the editor and did not respond, however, I will respond now against my better judgment about arguing with idiots.

First fact: ANY dog has the potential to be "dangerous". So there goes your theory on a "pack of golden retrievers".

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There are SO MANY THINGS that are NOT being reported because they are favorable to the dogs ~


The issue is about irresponsible owners creating dangerous situations involving their dogs. Anything favorable about the dogs is being washed away by the owners behavior.

Do your homework girlfriend. Perhaps you can talk some sense into your friend and coworker before Rob throws her under the bus.. In this day and age loose pit bulls are not a welcome site anywhere in the U.S. no matter how wonderful they are. Lovers of the breed (any breed for that matter but especially power dogs) have a huge responsibility to portray and uphold the dignity of the breed by understanding the traits, abilities and mannerisms of the dogs they own.

This is not about civil rights. This is about being responsible. Have a hundred APBTS! knock yourself out! just be responsible.

Training is essential. Case in point, it has been proven, Robs dogs do not come when called when off the property and therefore should not be loose on the property period. I'm sorry but I have very little faith in the handling skills of a person with multiple loose dogs in the street that cannot control them but only by yelling, screaming, kicking and throwing them. Lack of training. I know of one breeder of APBT's in the area that can and does have a couple housedogs that do stay on his unfenced property and will recall. ONE, out of all the yahoo ABPT "breeders" in the area. Very sad.

Lesson:

When dogs are roaming off of their turf, they EXPAND their territory and will view that area they are roaming as their own.. this in inherent in canines...it is not something you can take away from them. The same is true when they are consistently confined to one area, they gain a heightened sense of territory. In a dominant breed such as APBT, ABD, Mastiff, etc. this can be risky business with a smart dog and unskilled or lazy, unwilling arrogant handler/owner such as our beloved Rob.

RESPONSIBLE PIT BULL TYPE DOG OWNERS KNOW THIS AND UNDERSTAND IT.

Recall ability is a wonderful thing and is not easy to establish consistently with many breeds of high intelligence and dominance.

I personally have between 12 and 20 adult pit bulls on my property at any given time and have done so for the last seven years. We live just five minutes away from Rob and Shannon. We have had no problems. Why? not because Fayette has a leash law.. but because I respect my neighbors, more so, I respect the breed. If we did not have a leash law, I would not tempt fate. I am not so arrogant to think I am in control of everything my dogs do at any given moment when they are not under my control by leash or fence. We have a lot of traffic on this road and a business next door to us with many people coming and going. We have had no problems with loose and threatening dogs. Our property is not fully fenced. If by my NEGLIGENCE I allow a dog to threaten, scare, kill and animal or damage property not owned by me, I am disrespecting the breed and my community. I am not acting responsible, I would be furthering the media frenzy that hunts down everything these dogs do that is bad and is a result of human/owner/handler/custodian error!

RESPONSIBLE PIT BULL TYPE DOG OWNERS KNOW THIS AND UNDERSTAND IT.

I understand that some of our dogs do NOT have the recall ability, have drives such as "prey, flight and fight" that override their training at whatever level they are at and I take measures to ensure they do not get into trouble in the area.

I spend many hours everyday making sure each dog properly cared for and exercised, socialized in public and fit to be on the planet. I do this pretty much myself, we don't have kennel help, trainers and such, are you kidding? I have a schedule and method and I stick to it. If Rob and Shannon want respect they better get off the high horses, let go of the fantasy, get to work and EARN IT. Just because you put a male on a female does not make you a breeder of any distinction. There are no magical pit bull breeders who make their "sole living" and "profession" this way without attending shows, working in venues that portray the dogs abilities and these same people still work at other jobs to support the dogs care. If a breeder does it right, and I say this because I know many power dog breeders who do it right, they actually are lucky to break even. Their pups are advertised and sold BEFORE the male and female even mate from reputation alone. That is distinction. What kind of reputation do your friends have in the dog world? in the community? this did not "just happen" to them, they created it. Wake the hell up, dry your tears, quit whining about the poor pit bulls and your poor misunderstood friends and do something about it in a constructive way.

I own and trained one of the first American Bulldogs in the country to be certified with Therapy Dog International. His recall is 99% on the spot. Guess what? that 1% of the time he did not recall cost me $3000.00 to put him back together when he gave me "the bulldog finger" and ran across the road after a deer and right into a pickup truck. Costly mistake. I learned from it. My perfect boy is not running loose out there in the yard.
Why would Rob and Shannon risk Car vs. Dog living on that road by letting the dogs roam? Civil rights? nonsense. Oh it hasn't happened yet so it won't? nonsense. Dogs in a neighborhood area do not need to run loose in this day.


The ADBA states:
(ADBA is one of the oldest registries of ABPT and has existed since the very early 1900's) FYI, seven generations of registry with ADBA does not make dog special, his lineage and ability does.

ADBA POSITION ON DOG CONTAINMENT

The American Dog Breeders Association Inc. (ADBA) favors all forms of dog containment to the owner's property. We have found that as long as a dog is trained, socialized, exercised, and given proper attention, the containment method used is not a factor in its behavior or temperament. Dog behavior only becomes problematic when a dog is not properly trained, not properly socialized, and not given proper attention.

All dogs need to have some freedom within limitations. This does not mean to let your dogs roam free imo
Constant kenneling, constant chaining, or constantly living on a cable run with no off time makes a dog highly protective, even obsessive of its territory.
The ADBA believes that the individual dog owner is the best authority to choose from this list of approved methods of dog containment, with added specifications, for his/her dog(s).

KENNELING:

A kennel must be large enough for a dog to comfortably have shelter from the elements, enough movement room with a place to eliminate body waste. A concrete slab floor or patio block floor over sand is an ideal method to prevent digging escape and ease of cleaning. Other methods include placing wire fencing on the bottom, covered in dirt or pine chips. The top must be secure and escape proof with a cover for protection from the elements. Shade must be provided at all times. A rubber mat or a horse stall mat in the sleeping area prevents pressure sores. The dog should be taken out of the kennel daily for training, playtime, exercise, and/or attention. Constant inspection and maintenance is required of any containment type used. I'm pretty sure this does not include tangled clothesline and prong collars to a tree.
STEEL CABLE RUN:
A 1/2 inch diameter steel cable is run tautly between two in-ground mounts that are made of bent rebar sunk in concrete twelve feet apart and two feet deep, leaving a six inch high loop of rebar above ground level. The cable is to be secured with hammer down cable fasteners. Large steel O-ring, complete with a swivel to correct any twisting of the chain, attaches to the steel cable. The chain should be six feet long with test chain strength of 800 lbs. to a max of 1,000 lbs. This is sufficient for most adult dogs. The collar should be of buckle type, leather or nylon - not chain - with a welded O-ring with swivel for chain attachment and of a strength and quality that is equivalent to the test strength of the chain. The collar notice they do not say prong collar chained to a door knob in the house should be tight enough to prevent escape while loose enough to allow two fingers to be able to slip under it. Collars must be checked regularly to insure proper fit. The run area must be free from entanglement obstructions. The dog must have adequate housing to protect it from the elements and shade must be provided at all times. The dog should have several off cable times each day for training, play, exercise, and/or attention. A novel idea!= A perimeter fence should be in place to prevent trespass by children or animals not belonging to the dog owner. Constant inspection and maintenance is required of any containment type used.
TETHERING:
A strong center mount attachment may be employed to safely tether a dog. That mount may be made of a length of rebar bent into a hairpin shape and sunk in cement two feet deep, leaving four inches of the bend above ground or any other strong, escape-proof type mount, including an automobile axel. Large steel O-ring complete with a swivel to correct any twisting of the chain of sufficient strength that it cannot be broken. The chain must be at a minimum five times the length of the dog. The collar should be of buckle type, leather or nylon - not chain - with a welded O-ring with swivel for chain attachment and of a strength and quality that is equivalent to the test strength of the chain. The collar should be tight enough to prevent escape while loose enough to allow two fingers to be able to slip under it. Collars must be checked regularly to insure proper fit. Remove any entanglement obstacles from the immediate area. Adequate shelter must be provided along the perimeter of the tether area to protect the dog comfortably from the elements. Shade must be available at all times of the day. The dog should have daily off tether times each day for training, play, and/or attention. A perimeter fence should be in place to prevent the trespass by children or animals not belonging to the dog owner. Constant inspection and maintenance is required of any containment type used.
HOUSEDOGS:
Dogs whose owners contain them to the house or apartment must ensure that his/her dog receives adequate exercise to maintain a healthy cardio-vascular system. Housedogs need time outside in the sunlight to absorb vitamin D. Housedogs are prone to having toenail breakage and they must have proper toenail care. Often housedogs become overweight due to excess amounts of food and lack of exercise. Going outside should be more than just a trip for elimination of bodily waste. Many owners of active, physical ability breeds utilize exercise equipment when time and/or surroundings restrict running/playtime. Housedogs need training, socialization, and playtime / exercise.
IN CONCLUSION;
In today's society, dog containment is necessary to protect not only the animal but also the neighbors patience and interaction with their animals, as well as the dog owner of him/herself from liability. ADBA approves all of the above methods as long as the dog has adequate attention, exercise, care, and nurturing. All equipment must be regularly maintained to prevent injury or escape of the dog. Each owner's property will differ, so no one method works for all. The key to having a healthy, happy dog is it is all around care and nurturing. That care and nurturing must include training, socialization, attention, and exercise and play time.


The sad thing about the whole mess is the dogs are going to punished again and again for Rob and Shannons irresponsibleness in the containment and handling of the dogs on the property. This is why the need for law to punish the owner and not the dog is so important. This is why the Dangerous Dog Law is not working. Every "accident" "incident" and "bite" are a result of handler error no matter what the breed. This is fact my friend and has been proven over and over.

Their side of the story is told. Actions speak much louder than words. Or haven't you been paying attention?

Stubborn, arrogant fools so proud and righteous in their anger over being told what to do with no regard for the breed other than to make some money or make up for some type of personality deficit or inadequacy are all over the country ruining the reputation this breed used to have.

I can cite respected and century old APBT organizations that support responsible breeding and handling practices all day long till the cows come home. Like spoiled children, some people want to do what they want to do to the detriment of the rest of us who are working hard to do a good job for the breed.

Let me just add I have no problem with anyones color,religion,or shoe size...I do have a problem with irresponsible people who make the same mistakes over and over.

So there you go. You have a hour of my precious time. Arguing with idiots.


Posted by: dainty

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/27/08 11:33 AM

I know a person who was chased by one of the 'East Lake Rd. Pitbulls', and have no doubt that they should not be loose. They need to be in a pen/kennel. It's cruel to the dogs and to their neighbors to let those dogs loose. I've been chased and bitten by other breeds and it was traumatic. No one should have to live in fear.
Posted by: reilley

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/27/08 11:34 AM

flbuldog ,very well written .
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/27/08 11:37 AM

exactly "dainty" , it is just common sense.

Thanks "reilley" ;\)

A nice big bloody mary with tabasco sauce sounds good bout now.
Posted by: Animal Lover

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/27/08 11:43 AM

I applaud you flbuldog. Excellent post and very poignant.

If Whitley/Corcoran cannot care for these dogs in the proper manner the dogs should be taken from them permanently. They are a detriment to the breed and responsible pit bull owners.

In fact, it is my opinion that they should not own any dogs, because of their complete lack of concern and cruel treatment of these dogs. Not to mention their lack of concern for their fellow man.
Posted by: AbuDhabi

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/27/08 12:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Animal Lover
I applaud you flbuldog. Excellent post and very poignant.


Also well balanced. Thanks, flbuldog.
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/27/08 12:19 PM

TYVM \:\)

who was that little cartoon guy who said,

"I stands it till I can't stands it no more"
Posted by: lhasa_apso_lover

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/27/08 03:04 PM

Please be gentle. I'm somewhat new to this, but would like to share my opinion/experiences. Sorry if it's longwinded.

I somewhat agree with AbuDhabi. Dogs are inherently wild animals tamed by humans for our enjoyment and companionship. Three members of my family have sustained injuries from dogs. Two were bites, one was a collision. 1. My daughter was bit in the face by a lab mix "family dog" of 6 or 7 years. He never bit anyone before, and didn't bite anyone after. He lived another 2 or 3 years after the bite. 2. I was bit on the lip as a child by our "family" dog. He was a mongrel and had been our pet for 2 or 3 years. My father however got rid of him afterward. 3. My son was playing a sock pulling game with a purebred Doberman Pincher. He bent down to pick up the sock, the dog picked it up and was giving it back. My son's mouth collided with the dog's head and he put his tooth through his lip. The 2 "family dogs" were the ones that did the damage and the dog percieved to be an agressive animal was the most gentle.

Every dog owner has to be aware that dogs do not understand intent and can only rely on instinct and training. When the former is more prevalent than latter, there is bound to be trouble. A civil lawsuit from a bite wound comes to mind. Also, the possibility that the dog could be put down. Some municipalities automatically put down siezed pitbulls, no questions asked.
Posted by: angelaboveme

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/27/08 09:27 PM

Nice post flbuldog. You are right on the money. As far as fences go, we have had the joy of our most recent pair of goofy lab mixes working together for the sole purpose of knocking out a section of fence to swim in the canal or visit our elderly neighbors who let these 80 pound bundles of brainless glee into their home so they don't get hit. After multiple fence repairs and close supervision, we had to run invisible fencing along our physical fence and finally we have these dogs safely contained.
I would have felt awful if someone swerved to miss these dogs and were injured, let alone if my precious brainless poochies were squished in the road. What if their brainless glee broke our older neighbor's hip because they were trying to help?
We get many loose dogs as well where I live, although my dogs are not aggressive, not all dogs enjoy meeting and greeting regardless of the breed, and a dog fight could easily erupt. I have the physical fence as much to keep other dogs and people out as much as it is to keep my dogs in. Although my dogs would never intentionally hurt a child, Annie's tail and butt will bump an adult off their feet, let alone if she tries to bring some poor child a tennis ball to throw. As she drops it at your feet and turns to fetch, she has no concept of how wide her fanny really is, not all children enjoy being butt-bumped to the ground like mine do \:\) .
The bottom line is that I would be heartbroken without my dogs, you cannot make everyone like your dogs, no matter how wonderful they are. So if the price of getting them back is a simple fence, I cannot imagine not doing it. Life is not always fair, maybe some people have other issues with these people for whatever reason, it simply does not matter. It is reasonable to expect to be able to walk down the road and not be greeted by multiple dogs of any breed no matter how great their temperament. The issue is simply preventing the dogs from leaving the property, it is an issue easily fixed by a fence. I fail to see what sense another year of appeals and fighting makes. One dog has already been at the shelter way too long, I would never put my dog through that when the solution has already been presented to you. Put up a fence = bring your dogs home. Simple math in my book.

BTW, gotta love that "bulldog finger"! Give the children a kiss from me and let me know when we're breaking in that nail grinder!
Posted by: marlboronymom

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/27/08 10:04 PM

Kudos flbuldog!!! I don't know if anyone has said "thank you" to you for everything that you have done so far with this mess. The county is very lucky to have you and your experience!



I think that quote is from some Warner Brothers 'toon. I keep picturing this little bird saying it.
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 08:00 AM


The point is still lost on these people that all that is being asked of them is to "contain" their dogs. When this couple gets it through their heads that this is what it is all about then this can end.

I really liked your post flbuldog. Any chance you could go to the next court date and reason with these people? What is it going to take for them to get it?? Fencing in your property is not an admission to the danger of your dogs, it's a responsible, caring action.
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 08:30 AM

Originally Posted By: GirlInTheWorld
Good Evening All,
My name is Penelope, I work with Shannon. I recently had a Letter to the Editor published in the FingerLakes Times. I don't have a copy with me, but I urge people to read it. One line that I stand by, 'Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought'. Please people, don't judge based on what you hear second hand. I have been going through Shannon with this From The Beginning. There are SO MANY THINGS that are NOT being reported because they are favorable to the dogs ~ it makes this case completely unfair. I have to say ~ A DOG IS NOT BORN DANGEROUS BECAUSE IT IS BORN A PIT BULL. Shannon's dogs are brought up in a family environment. I have two rescue dogs that were abused by humans mistreating and mishandling them, and I'll tell you what - they are less predictable than Shannons dogs anyday because of how humans handled them. The point is, a dog isn't dangerous because it's a pit bull. A dog isn't safe because it's a black lab. Please, think outside of your safety zone. Get to know Shannon & Rob - be decent to them. Ask Their side of the story, listen to Their side of the story, because believe me, It's Not Being Told. Do any of you have family, friends, or neighbors who have been bitten by a dog? Chances are you do. And chances are it wasn't a pit bull. Let's take it a step further - if these pit bulls are so dangerous, how is it that no blood has been shed thus far? Read up on truly dangerous pit bulls and what results from their attacks. If any of the stories that people related were true, there would have been bloodshed if the pit bulls were aggressive at all.
This is my first posting ever. I hope that the people on this site can be decent enough to give it a fair read. Thank you for your time, and really, I encourage you to learn more about Shannon, Rob, and their dogs before you take a stand against them.


I think you're missing the point. The neighbors want the dogs fenced in.....end of story! If they were good neighbors they would understand what these dogs are capable of.....and they will put up a fence. How the hell does anyone know how he raises his dog's?....furthermore......his attitude and demeanor speak volumes. I have seen the pictures of the puppies....only a few weeks old....tied with nylon cords to trees. Please stop your nonsense about what good breeders they are. Do the right thing Shannon.....put up a fence and save yourself a lot of money and headache that you have created for yourself.
Posted by: AbuDhabi

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 08:33 AM

Originally Posted By: kimmer
Fencing in your property is not an admission to the danger of your dogs, it's a responsible, caring action.


It takes time, money, effort -- and concern for the welfare of others.
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 08:38 AM

Originally Posted By: flbuldog
TYVM \:\)

who was that little cartoon guy who said,

"I stands it till I can't stands it no more"


Popeye.
Posted by:

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 08:41 AM

Sweet Jesus!!!!

Doesn't the Town of Varick have a leash law??????

If they don't, why in heck don't they get off their duffs and pass one?
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 08:42 AM

I can't say it any better; right on.
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 08:53 AM

How old do you have to be to stop having a myspace page that looks like his? To me it shows his level of maturity.

Freakin' wannabe.
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 08:54 AM

Originally Posted By: flbuldog
Originally Posted By: GirlInTheWorld
Good Evening All,
My name is Penelope, I work with Shannon. I recently had a Letter to the Editor published in the FingerLakes Times. I don't have a copy with me, but I urge people to read it. One line that I stand by, 'Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the
discomfort of thought'. Please people, don't judge based on what you hear second hand. I have been going through Shannon with this From The Beginning. There are SO MANY THINGS that are NOT being reported because they are favorable to the dogs ~ it makes this case completely unfair. I have to say ~ A DOG IS NOT BORN DANGEROUS BECAUSE IT IS BORN A PIT BULL. Shannon's dogs are brought up in a family environment. I have two rescue dogs that were abused by humans mistreating and mishandling them, and I'll tell you what - they are less predictable than Shannons dogs anyday because of how humans handled them. The point is, a dog isn't dangerous because it's a pit bull. A dog isn't safe because it's a black lab. Please, think outside of your safety zone. Get to know Shannon & Rob - be decent to them. Ask Their side of the story, listen to Their side of the story, because believe me, It's Not Being Told. Do any of you have family, friends, or neighbors who have been bitten by a dog? Chances are you do. And chances are it wasn't a pit bull. Let's take it a step further - if these pit bulls are so dangerous, how is it that no blood has been shed thus far? Read up on truly dangerous pit bulls and what results from their attacks. If any of the stories that people related were true, there would have been bloodshed if the pit bulls were aggressive at all.
This is my first posting ever. I hope that the people on this site can be decent enough to give it a fair read. Thank you for your time, and really, I encourage you to learn more about Shannon, Rob, and their dogs before you take a stand against them.


I read your letter to the editor and did not respond, however, I will respond now against my better judgment about arguing with idiots.

First fact: ANY dog has the potential to be "dangerous". So there goes your theory on a "pack of golden retrievers".

Quote:
There are SO MANY THINGS that are NOT being reported because they are favorable to the dogs ~


The issue is about irresponsible owners creating dangerous situations involving their dogs. Anything favorable about the dogs is being washed away by the owners behavior.

Do your homework girlfriend. Perhaps you can talk some sense into your friend and coworker before Rob throws her under the bus.. In this day and age loose pit bulls are not a welcome site anywhere in the U.S. no matter how wonderful they are. Lovers of the breed (any breed for that matter but especially power dogs) have a huge responsibility to portray and uphold the dignity of the breed by understanding the traits, abilities and mannerisms of the dogs they own.

This is not about civil rights. This is about being responsible. Have a hundred APBTS! knock yourself out! just be responsible.

Training is essential. Case in point, it has been proven, Robs dogs do not come when called when off the property and therefore should not be loose on the property period. I'm sorry but I have very little faith in the handling skills of a person with multiple loose dogs in the street that cannot control them but only by yelling, screaming, kicking and throwing them. Lack of training. I know of one breeder of APBT's in the area that can and does have a couple housedogs that do stay on his unfenced property and will recall. ONE, out of all the yahoo ABPT "breeders" in the area. Very sad.

Lesson:

When dogs are roaming off of their turf, they EXPAND their territory and will view that area they are roaming as their own.. this in inherent in canines...it is not something you can take away from them. The same is true when they are consistently confined to one area, they gain a heightened sense of territory. In a dominant breed such as APBT, ABD, Mastiff, etc. this can be risky business with a smart dog and unskilled or lazy, unwilling arrogant handler/owner such as our beloved Rob.

RESPONSIBLE PIT BULL TYPE DOG OWNERS KNOW THIS AND UNDERSTAND IT.

Recall ability is a wonderful thing and is not easy to establish consistently with many breeds of high intelligence and dominance.

I personally have between 12 and 20 adult pit bulls on my property at any given time and have done so for the last seven years. We live just five minutes away from Rob and Shannon. We have had no problems. Why? not because Fayette has a leash law.. but because I respect my neighbors, more so, I respect the breed. If we did not have a leash law, I would not tempt fate. I am not so arrogant to think I am in control of everything my dogs do at any given moment when they are not under my control by leash or fence. We have a lot of traffic on this road and a business next door to us with many people coming and going. We have had no problems with loose and threatening dogs. Our property is not fully fenced. If by my NEGLIGENCE I allow a dog to threaten, scare, kill and animal or damage property not owned by me, I am disrespecting the breed and my community. I am not acting responsible, I would be furthering the media frenzy that hunts down everything these dogs do that is bad and is a result of human/owner/handler/custodian error!

RESPONSIBLE PIT BULL TYPE DOG OWNERS KNOW THIS AND UNDERSTAND IT.

I understand that some of our dogs do NOT have the recall ability, have drives such as "prey, flight and fight" that override their training at whatever level they are at and I take measures to ensure they do not get into trouble in the area.

I spend many hours everyday making sure each dog properly cared for and exercised, socialized in public and fit to be on the planet. I do this pretty much myself, we don't have kennel help, trainers and such, are you kidding? I have a schedule and method and I stick to it. If Rob and Shannon want respect they better get off the high horses, let go of the fantasy, get to work and EARN IT. Just because you put a male on a female does not make you a breeder of any distinction. There are no magical pit bull breeders who make their "sole living" and "profession" this way without attending shows, working in venues that portray the dogs abilities and these same people still work at other jobs to support the dogs care. If a breeder does it right, and I say this because I know many power dog breeders who do it right, they actually are lucky to break even. Their pups are advertised and sold BEFORE the male and female even mate from reputation alone. That is distinction. What kind of reputation do your friends have in the dog world? in the community? this did not "just happen" to them, they created it. Wake the hell up, dry your tears, quit whining about the poor pit bulls and your poor misunderstood friends and do something about it in a constructive way.

I own and trained one of the first American Bulldogs in the country to be certified with Therapy Dog International. His recall is 99% on the spot. Guess what? that 1% of the time he did not recall cost me $3000.00 to put him back together when he gave me "the bulldog finger" and ran across the road after a deer and right into a pickup truck. Costly mistake. I learned from it. My perfect boy is not running loose out there in the yard.
Why would Rob and Shannon risk Car vs. Dog living on that road by letting the dogs roam? Civil rights? nonsense. Oh it hasn't happened yet so it won't? nonsense. Dogs in a neighborhood area do not need to run loose in this day.


The ADBA states:
(ADBA is one of the oldest registries of ABPT and has existed since the very early 1900's) FYI, seven generations of registry with ADBA does not make dog special, his lineage and ability does.

ADBA POSITION ON DOG CONTAINMENT

The American Dog Breeders Association Inc. (ADBA) favors all forms of dog containment to the owner's property. We have found that as long as a dog is trained, socialized, exercised, and given proper attention, the containment method used is not a factor in its behavior or temperament. Dog behavior only becomes problematic when a dog is not properly trained, not properly socialized, and not given proper attention.

All dogs need to have some freedom within limitations. This does not mean to let your dogs roam free imo
Constant kenneling, constant chaining, or constantly living on a cable run with no off time makes a dog highly protective, even obsessive of its territory.
The ADBA believes that the individual dog owner is the best authority to choose from this list of approved methods of dog containment, with added specifications, for his/her dog(s).

KENNELING:

A kennel must be large enough for a dog to comfortably have shelter from the elements, enough movement room with a place to eliminate body waste. A concrete slab floor or patio block floor over sand is an ideal method to prevent digging escape and ease of cleaning. Other methods include placing wire fencing on the bottom, covered in dirt or pine chips. The top must be secure and escape proof with a cover for protection from the elements. Shade must be provided at all times. A rubber mat or a horse stall mat in the sleeping area prevents pressure sores. The dog should be taken out of the kennel daily for training, playtime, exercise, and/or attention. Constant inspection and maintenance is required of any containment type used. I'm pretty sure this does not include tangled clothesline and prong collars to a tree.
STEEL CABLE RUN:
A 1/2 inch diameter steel cable is run tautly between two in-ground mounts that are made of bent rebar sunk in concrete twelve feet apart and two feet deep, leaving a six inch high loop of rebar above ground level. The cable is to be secured with hammer down cable fasteners. Large steel O-ring, complete with a swivel to correct any twisting of the chain, attaches to the steel cable. The chain should be six feet long with test chain strength of 800 lbs. to a max of 1,000 lbs. This is sufficient for most adult dogs. The collar should be of buckle type, leather or nylon - not chain - with a welded O-ring with swivel for chain attachment and of a strength and quality that is equivalent to the test strength of the chain. The collar notice they do not say prong collar chained to a door knob in the house should be tight enough to prevent escape while loose enough to allow two fingers to be able to slip under it. Collars must be checked regularly to insure proper fit. The run area must be free from entanglement obstructions. The dog must have adequate housing to protect it from the elements and shade must be provided at all times. The dog should have several off cable times each day for training, play, exercise, and/or attention. A novel idea!= A perimeter fence should be in place to prevent trespass by children or animals not belonging to the dog owner. Constant inspection and maintenance is required of any containment type used.
TETHERING:
A strong center mount attachment may be employed to safely tether a dog. That mount may be made of a length of rebar bent into a hairpin shape and sunk in cement two feet deep, leaving four inches of the bend above ground or any other strong, escape-proof type mount, including an automobile axel. Large steel O-ring complete with a swivel to correct any twisting of the chain of sufficient strength that it cannot be broken. The chain must be at a minimum five times the length of the dog. The collar should be of buckle type, leather or nylon - not chain - with a welded O-ring with swivel for chain attachment and of a strength and quality that is equivalent to the test strength of the chain. The collar should be tight enough to prevent escape while loose enough to allow two fingers to be able to slip under it. Collars must be checked regularly to insure proper fit. Remove any entanglement obstacles from the immediate area. Adequate shelter must be provided along the perimeter of the tether area to protect the dog comfortably from the elements. Shade must be available at all times of the day. The dog should have daily off tether times each day for training, play, and/or attention. A perimeter fence should be in place to prevent the trespass by children or animals not belonging to the dog owner. Constant inspection and maintenance is required of any containment type used.
HOUSEDOGS:
Dogs whose owners contain them to the house or apartment must ensure that his/her dog receives adequate exercise to maintain a healthy cardio-vascular system. Housedogs need time outside in the sunlight to absorb vitamin D. Housedogs are prone to having toenail breakage and they must have proper toenail care. Often housedogs become overweight due to excess amounts of food and lack of exercise. Going outside should be more than just a trip for elimination of bodily waste. Many owners of active, physical ability breeds utilize exercise equipment when time and/or surroundings restrict running/playtime. Housedogs need training, socialization, and playtime / exercise.
IN CONCLUSION;
In today's society, dog containment is necessary to protect not only the animal but also the neighbors patience and interaction with their animals, as well as the dog owner of him/herself from liability. ADBA approves all of the above methods as long as the dog has adequate attention, exercise, care, and nurturing. All equipment must be regularly maintained to prevent injury or escape of the dog. Each owner's property will differ, so no one method works for all. The key to having a healthy, happy dog is it is all around care and nurturing. That care and nurturing must include training, socialization, attention, and exercise and play time.


The sad thing about the whole mess is the dogs are going to punished again and again for Rob and Shannons irresponsibleness in the containment and handling of the dogs on the property. This is why the need for law to punish the owner and not the dog is so important. This is why the Dangerous Dog Law is not working. Every "accident" "incident" and "bite" are a result of handler error no matter what the breed. This is fact my friend and has been proven over and over.

Their side of the story is told. Actions speak much louder than words. Or haven't you been paying attention?

Stubborn, arrogant fools so proud and righteous in their anger over being told what to do with no regard for the breed other than to make some money or make up for some type of personality deficit or inadequacy are all over the country ruining the reputation this breed used to have.

I can cite respected and century old APBT organizations that support responsible breeding and handling practices all day long till the cows come home. Like spoiled children, some people want to do what they want to do to the detriment of the rest of us who are working hard to do a good job for the breed.

Let me just add I have no problem with anyones color,religion,or shoe size...I do have a problem with irresponsible people who make the same mistakes over and over.

So there you go. You have a hour of my precious time. Arguing with idiots.




Very well written. I know you personally...have interacted with several of your dogs......I have never seen you disrespect your neighborhood. Funny all your neighbors love you and you have several of these dogs on your property. Oh and Btw....love your avatar.....and kudos to you for what you do. You are great with your dogs......and a good neighbor. \:\)
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 09:21 AM

They have several ordinances that will be adopted in shortly the planning board just approved....it will help so much to have a local law.
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 09:27 AM

Quote:
Very well written. I know you personally...have interacted with several of your dogs......I have never seen you disrespect your neighborhood. Funny all your neighbors love you and you have several of these dogs on your property. Oh and Btw....love your avatar.....and kudos to you for what you do. You are great with your dogs......and a good neighbor. \:\)


Thank you Yetta! Sugary Sue waves hi to you \:\) I'll tell you this whole thing has caused some extra stress over here as I am being extra extra careful.. not to mention the negative light it puts on our dogs by folks who do not know us
("oh, its more pitbulls?" )as a result of the ELR drama...
I'm working on a educational program for the public I hope to be finished with soon.. in my free time hahahah...
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 09:28 AM

Oh the avatar is my TDI dog Hercules \:\) ... you know he is eight years old now? hard for me to believe.
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 09:33 AM

I love Hercules.....(wow eight years old)and of course Sugar Sue is my favorite. Glad to hear they are well. Good luck with the educational stuff.....Lord knows this area could use it.
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 09:44 AM

I would never judge you or your dogs because of the people on E Lake Rd. My family has always been involved with dogs, rescues and housing by one and breeding and training PEOPLE by another. I don't think you need to worry about people not liking you or dogs so do not understand why you think you need to educate others about your breed.

If you insist on trying to educate people, I would think it better to teach people how to care for animals and the impact that has on the animal. There is too much emphasis on the "bad dog" side. I saw that there is even a syndrome of big black dog. Supposedly people are less likely to adopt a black dog than any other color.

This topic has done a very good job of enforcing that there are no bad dogs but bad owners.
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 09:45 AM

Quote:
Kudos flbuldog!!! I don't know if anyone has said "thank you" to you for everything that you have done so far with this mess. The county is very lucky to have you and your experience!


I feel like a huge PITA but communication is one of my strong points so I will go with it..Yes I did get some thank yous \:D from places I never expected and that was great. I would like to see the county adopt some new ordinances as well and I think it would benefit everyone in the community by putting some controls in place that can be enforced without complaints be needed first which is how most of the dog laws work now.
I'm happy some things are getting done and people with some power to do something are involved and are motivated to act and improve the situation as well as prevention of similar situations for the future. The situation affects programs I have been working on for years now and I am very passionate about and is very close to home and heart.
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 09:47 AM

Quote:
Supposedly people are less likely to adopt a black dog than any other color.


YES! and if it is a big black Pit Bull it is even worse ...
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 09:51 AM

I am not a pit bull fan so would not adopt one anyway. But it is ridiculous that this is true. Just shows how silly humans can be.
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 09:56 AM

It's true of black cats, too. Many people don't think; they feel.
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 09:57 AM

Quote:
It's true of black cats, too. Many people don't think; they feel.


yes I agree!
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 09:58 AM

It's true of black cats, too. Many people don't think; they feel.


When it comes to animals I feel more compassion than I think I can for some people.
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 09:59 AM

I'm with ya there!
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 10:02 AM

Me too. So many times I wish we could spay and neuter certain people and clean up the gene pool a little.
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 10:07 AM

LOL - I would like to find the Yates Co. cat spayer so they could come over this way. As with dogs, I believe people should keep their cats at home, not roaming.
Posted by: marlboronymom

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 10:10 AM

Originally Posted By: flbuldog
Quote:
Kudos flbuldog!!! I don't know if anyone has said "thank you" to you for everything that you have done so far with this mess. The county is very lucky to have you and your experience!


I feel like a huge PITA but communication is one of my strong points so I will go with it..Yes I did get some thank yous \:D from places I never expected and that was great. I would like to see the county adopt some new ordinances as well and I think it would benefit everyone in the community by putting some controls in place that can be enforced without complaints be needed first which is how most of the dog laws work now.
I'm happy some things are getting done and people with some power to do something are involved and are motivated to act and improve the situation as well as prevention of similar situations for the future. The situation affects programs I have been working on for years now and I am very passionate about and is very close to home and heart.


You shouldn't feel like you are being a PITA. You've got the experienced and "know how" with this breed of dog. Any one who doesn't listen and take into consideration to your thoughts is a fool.
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 10:14 AM

Originally Posted By: AbuDhabi


It takes time, money, effort -- and concern for the welfare of others.


Truely!
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 10:16 AM

It still all comes down to training the humans first. Case in point is this guy who lets his dogs run loose. Better humans have better pets.

Do you think this Shannon and Rob realize that their actions have brought about new laws for dog owners in Varick?
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 10:27 AM

Quote:
As far as fences go, we have had the joy of our most recent pair of goofy lab mixes working together for the sole purpose of knocking out a section of fence to swim in the canal or visit our elderly neighbors who let these 80 pound bundles of brainless glee into their home so they don't get hit. After multiple fence repairs and close supervision, we had to run invisible fencing along our physical fence and finally we have these dogs safely contained.


Hehe are you SURE those are labs and not Chessie Pit mixes? lol

Nice neighbors! bless them for getting the hooligans in the house.

I've been running the grinder and letting the guys hear it up close... you'd think I wanted to cut their foot off! babies!

Yes, I hate the idea that a whole community has to alter their recreation and lifestyle to suit one nob and be safe.
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 10:28 AM

Quote:

Do you think this Shannon and Rob realize that their actions have brought about new laws for dog owners in Varick?


if they don't already they will soon I suppose. we will hear the caterwauling all over I am sure once they do.
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 11:26 AM

Originally Posted By: VM Smith
It's true of black cats, too. Many people don't think; they feel.


My cat is all black and he is more human than some humans I know. He has seperation anxiety and that drives me nuts.
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/28/08 11:26 AM

Originally Posted By: kimmer
It's true of black cats, too. Many people don't think; they feel.


When it comes to animals I feel more compassion than I think I can for some people.


I do as well.
Posted by: reilley

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/29/08 11:34 AM

THIS is what could happen,this little boy was lucky.
Some may say she was protecting her pups, but this was a family dog.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/homepagetop...k.ac402d19.html

Gruesome pit-bull attack on 9-yr-old Phoenix AZ boy

06:29 AM Mountain Standard Time on Tuesday, April 29, 2008
azfamily.com

PHOTOS: are on the main site some are graphic

PHOENIX – A 9-year-old boy was viciously attacked by his grandmother’s pit bull.
Police say the attack occurred on Saturday afternoon near 73rd Avenue and McDowell at the boy’s grandmother’s house. Emergency crews responded to reports of an injured person shortly after 4 p.m.

One witness says the dog was biting the boy “all over his body, including his right arm, his back, his neck, his face and his left arm.”

Animal Control reportedly went to the scene of the attack to conduct an investigation.

Police say it appears the boy walked up to a group of puppies which allegedly prompted the attack.

Authorities say the owners of the dogs asked that they be taken away.


Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/29/08 12:09 PM

...but you're putting the focus on that breed when in all actuality......it could have been any kind of dog protecting her pups.
Posted by: reilley

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/29/08 04:05 PM

yeah I did , but this made it in the news if it was another type of dog I would have put it in Pets
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/29/08 06:28 PM

It only made it to the news because it was a pitbull.
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/29/08 07:08 PM

How sad. Yes, sometimes moms are protective of the pups no matter what the breed. Human error strikes again. Stories like that I would like to see more details such as.. was the granny even in the same room with the kid and the mom and pups when it happened?

Quote:
Some may say she was protecting her pups, but this was a family dog.


How do we know this was a family dog? she could have lived on a chain in the backyard and was just brought in to whelp the pups for all we know from the article.
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/29/08 07:16 PM

Quote:
My cat is all black and he is more human than some humans I know. He has seperation anxiety and that drives me nuts.


Yetta, I still think your cat is a human in a cat suit he is waaaay too smart.
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/29/08 07:18 PM

Originally Posted By: VM Smith
Originally Posted By: flbuldog
TYVM \:\)

who was that little cartoon guy who said,

"I stands it till I can't stands it no more"


Popeye.


oh! right ! gimme the spinach.. we have a one eyed cat named Popeye.. \:D
Posted by: snoopy

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/29/08 08:22 PM

I guess everyone is missing the point here, all anyone wants is for them to be responsible pet owners. What is wrong with putting up a fence, if they love the dogs as much as they say they do wouldn't they want to keep them out of harms way???
From what I am reading, they ran accross the road, luckily knowone in a car has hit one of them yet, what will Mr. Whitley think then? Will he blame the town of Varick for his dog getting hit by a car or will he finally realize that they need to be contained to their OWN yard.
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/29/08 09:00 PM

We're not missing any point. We understand what the people want.
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/30/08 08:36 AM

yup. There is 32 pages here of people who get the point.
Posted by: kimmer

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/30/08 09:25 AM

I think at some point the statement was made that if he put up a fence he would be admitting that his dogs are dangerous, thereby giving his neighbors the win.
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/30/08 09:30 AM

His dog's are more out of his control than dangerous. I am not getting the fact that they are dangerous....other than they can be dangerous. Any dog can be dangerous. It is more that they need to be under some sort of control. If the owner can't control them than they need to be fenced in. We have already established that they are out of control.
Posted by: reilley

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/30/08 09:41 AM

Originally Posted By: flbuldog
yup. There is 32 pages here of people who get the point.


32 ? I have 16 pages for the line you just wrote ... must be the set up we have .
Posted by: marlboronymom

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/30/08 04:02 PM

Originally Posted By: kimmer
I think at some point the statement was made that if he put up a fence he would be admitting that his dogs are dangerous, thereby giving his neighbors the win.



ok...dumb question here...but...here goes it!! What the heck does putting a fence up have to do with that?! Putting up a fence when you have or want to have a "reputable kennle" is not only smart BUT it shows that you actually care about your animal's welfare.


Case in point: last time I knew the Johnson's, who live about 15 or so houses south on ELR from Shannon and Rob, also raise dogs. I THINK that they have Westies ( or is it Scotties?!). THEY have a fence protecting their kennel dogs. If they can put up a fence....why can't Shannon and Rob?!
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/30/08 04:23 PM

Because they would rather defy the rules and when it doesn't work out for them.....pull the race card. If all else fails.
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/30/08 05:26 PM

Originally Posted By: kimmer
I think at some point the statement was made that if he put up a fence he would be admitting that his dogs are dangerous, thereby giving his neighbors the win.


The statement was made by who? him? . by all means lets let the dogs run loose and be a nuisance and potential hazard so he can "win". not.

Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 04/30/08 05:29 PM

Originally Posted By: reilley
Originally Posted By: flbuldog
yup. There is 32 pages here of people who get the point.


32 ? I have 16 pages for the line you just wrote ... must be the set up we have .


oh yep you are right... I have it set different I bet.
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/01/08 03:34 PM

Originally Posted By: VM Smith
Installation is easy, for anyone. The posts are 4'x 5/16" fiberglass, with pointed bottoms; you just pust them in, The corners, which take the strain, are steel, with a triangular welded piece to push down your foot on.

The cord is cheap, and is poly, with a thin aluminum conductor. I've got the charger in the basement, and drilled a hole in the block for the ground wire and the lead, which simply connect to the charger with thumb nuts. The ground is merely a copper or steel rod driven into the ground, a few feet from the house, so that it's in damp earth. During a drought, just water the rod ocassionally. The lead connects to the poly by wrapping the bare copper around the poly a few times, forming a corkscrew, which can be easily unwrapped and disconnected.

Maintanence involves either moving the fence to an adjacent, newly mowed strip, or poisoning the grass under the fence with a sprayer, in a 1' strip, which is what I do. Testers are cheap, or you can just touch it. That's kind of a thrill, but it won't hurt you. It's sharp, jolting, very high voltage, but low-amp shock, but not actually painful.

If a herd of deer go after my apples, and run through the fence, I just tie in new pieces of cord. The fact that the cord is actually that weak reassures me that if the dogs ever did get tangled in it, they could break it. I use 3 strand, instead of mesh, to make it more asily breakable, replaceable, and because it would be harder to get entangled in than mesh.

I look at the perimeter every few days, to make sure no branches have blown down on it which would ground it. The dogs never seem to notice it when this happens. Anyway, they are afraid of it, and don't even know that it has been off for 6 months.

Where it crosses my blacktop, to my railed front porch and steps, I put the posts in coffee cans full of concrete.

When I want to move the mower from one side to the other, I just pull a couple of posts, lay the fence down, drive the tractor across, and shove the posts back in. I can also move the last post on my parking lot and drive through the "gate".

When I want to cross it while walking, I step across, but could also put my rubber or plastic-soled shoe on the cords, and press it down to ground, even if it's charged. I put a few of the yard posts in cans of concrete to make properly tensioning the cords easy.

There's not much inconvenience at all, the dogs don't get killed leaving my blind driveway on rte 89, and they don't run deer. It's portable, so it can't be assessed, and I like the fact that it's visually unabstrusive, even where it crosses the yard, from the lot perimeter to the front of the house.

If I want to change the enclosure, or configuration, it's easy. If I move, I can take it with me. If I leave the dogs at a friend's house while I vacation, I can set it up there easily. Love it.


I have to get some this!
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/01/08 04:20 PM

If you want, you're welcome to come up and look at my setup. I started with it when I had a part husky who WOULD NOT train to an invisible fence. I later checked a few husky sites, and the AKC site, I think, and they clearly says that they'll ignore an invisible fence, and that you need a high physical fence, but this works great. In my location, it I didn't have it, my dogs would be dead in the road very quickly. I'm about a mile north of Canoga, on the lake, in the 1st passing zone north of Canoga, on a slight curve, with a pretty blind driveway.

If a car comes from the north, and is passing, and concentrating on driving, I'm high enough above. and far enough back, from the road, that a non-resident wouldn't even see that a house is there until he gets right to my drive.
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/01/08 04:56 PM

Sounds great! Thank you! I would love to come see it and make a list of what I need. I have a big area of property I cannot fence in easily and is wasted space right now but this set up you have may work fine, the dogs are smart and only once or twice is all it would take for the lesson. We have a hard time with chain link as well, I won't bother with that anymore either, even the 40 lb dogs can pull it apart with their mouths once they figure it out or see another dog do it.
I would not even try invisible fence with these knuckleheads..plus the fact as you said it won't keep other animals and humans out of the dog area uninvited.
I had a dog get out and into the cow pasture in back once last summer and he nicked his back on the electric fence going under... LOL he would not come back and risk the fence "biting him" again and stood there waiting for me to come get him with a very worried look on his face..big baby. I think this would work just fine, happy I found it. I almost missed the post.. I was looking for something else and came across it luckily.
Posted by: L EE

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/01/08 10:24 PM

what's the latest on this saga ????
Posted by: marlboronymom

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/02/08 06:54 AM

We couldn't get away with the type of set up VM's got. The greys would go right through it. Dang sight hounds...once they see something....it's like see ya in the next county! Had to make it high enough that they wouldn't make the effort to jump the fence.

Went to Tractor Supply and picked up few 100 foot rolls of the 5' high fencing. Got the metal post that you hammer into the ground. Now we have a 1000 sq foot area for the greys to run around in. Is just off the back of the house. Cost a whole $200 bucks to put up.
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/02/08 06:57 AM

Conditional discharge for one year, with the stipulations(Court Order) that he MUST put up a fence in his back yard, and can never have the dogs outide the fence unleashed.
Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/02/08 07:04 AM

Originally Posted By: Jelloshot
Conditional discharge for one year, with the stipulations(Court Order) that he MUST put up a fence in his back yard, and can never have the dogs outide the fence unleashed.


Do they get their dogs back before or after the fence is up?
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/02/08 07:06 AM

They won't get the dogs back until 1. They pay for the boarding of the dogs, and 2.They put the fence up!
Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/02/08 07:08 AM

If things go well it sounds as if ELR may have a quiet summer.
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/02/08 09:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Jelloshot
They won't get the dogs back until 1. They pay for the boarding of the dogs, and 2.They put the fence up!


Much applause! from the peanut gallery.

He was in the parking lot after whining to his fan club how "he could not afford to do all that."

Should have thought of that beforehand.
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/02/08 09:19 AM

Originally Posted By: marlboronymom
We couldn't get away with the type of set up VM's got. The greys would go right through it. Dang sight hounds...once they see something....it's like see ya in the next county! Had to make it high enough that they wouldn't make the effort to jump the fence.

Went to Tractor Supply and picked up few 100 foot rolls of the 5' high fencing. Got the metal post that you hammer into the ground. Now we have a 1000 sq foot area for the greys to run around in. Is just off the back of the house. Cost a whole $200 bucks to put up.


I agree Marlmom.. greys are not easy! I would have more gray hair lol.. Did you get welded wire or the woven farm fence? I'm going this week to get similar stuff and will use VMs method where I can't get the fence in easily in the back corner and also along the side where my partner and I share a fence to keep the dogs at his house and a few fosters over here from potential fence fighting. Can't wait to be able to just open the door and let them out in the yard vs having to leash walk them out to the play yards.. save me lots of time and energy especially in the winter.
Posted by: marlboronymom

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/02/08 10:01 AM

We used the welded wire. I would bet that they could easity go through the woven, especially if they saw a bunny or cat on the other side! Believe me......45 MPH dogs! (For those of you who have never seen a grey run outside of a track.....it is AMAZING!)


I should have also said that we did put in a few 4'x4'x8' after initially installing. Those were for a farm gate we put in, so we could get the tractor/mower in. Also put one in each corner reinforcement. I think we got those at Lowes/Home Depot.
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/02/08 04:07 PM

yes I need a gate and 4x4's for the corners and gate. true.
also coming, I see a beer purchase and call for men to come drink it and pound posts too
Posted by: kegel

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/02/08 05:56 PM

Originally Posted By: marlboronymom
We used the welded wire. I would bet that they could easity go through the woven, especially if they saw a bunny or cat on the other side! Believe me......45 MPH dogs! (For those of you who have never seen a grey run outside of a track.....it is AMAZING!)


I should have also said that we did put in a few 4'x4'x8' after initially installing. Those were for a farm gate we put in, so we could get the tractor/mower in. Also put one in each corner reinforcement. I think we got those at Lowes/Home Depot.



Yeah, well I'd kick his butt in a paw race
Posted by: marlboronymom

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/02/08 06:14 PM

Originally Posted By: kegel
Originally Posted By: marlboronymom
We used the welded wire. I would bet that they could easity go through the woven, especially if they saw a bunny or cat on the other side! Believe me......45 MPH dogs! (For those of you who have never seen a grey run outside of a track.....it is AMAZING!)


I should have also said that we did put in a few 4'x4'x8' after initially installing. Those were for a farm gate we put in, so we could get the tractor/mower in. Also put one in each corner reinforcement. I think we got those at Lowes/Home Depot.



Yeah, well I'd kick his butt in a paw race


yea...right...if and only if you are going out "that end"! 'cause they'd catch you like you were game!
Posted by: kegel

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/02/08 06:20 PM

yeah, well he'd have to eat me and the mouse in my gut that is infected
Posted by: reilley

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/02/08 06:27 PM

Originally Posted By: flbuldog
Originally Posted By: Jelloshot
They won't get the dogs back until 1. They pay for the boarding of the dogs, and 2.They put the fence up!


Much applause! from the peanut gallery.

He was in the parking lot after whining to his fan club how "he could not afford to do all that."

Should have thought of that beforehand.


guess he will have to sell a couple of his dogs to pay for the dogs pound fees and the fence, I hope they demand cash and they have to use welded or chain link fencing and not snow fencing and I hope it has to be 5 foot tall.
Posted by: marlboronymom

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/02/08 08:38 PM

that was what I ment by "the other end!" All kidding aside greys are forced to grade D meat when they are at the track. Frankly I think that's a bit worse than what you were suggesting.



NOW...back to the main topic. I'm sitting here on the sidelines wondering exactly what Judge Case is doing...he says "put up a fence." Talk about being non-specific!!!! I also get the impression that he doesn't find this entire situation disturbing. You'd think he would, considering his son and grand children live down the street from where these pit bulls are living. He's been the Varick Judge for a good 20 years.....
Posted by: SilverFox

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/02/08 10:21 PM

Just a thought. We had a sheltie mix years ago that would chew through the welded wire fence and escape. He would chew on the welds until they broke and he had a big enough hole and out he'd go.

It was rolled wire fencing with the pound into the ground metal posts.
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/03/08 01:11 AM

"The greys would go right through it."

I wouldn't be too sure. As far as I know, an electric fence will control anything, including something as blind as a rhino, stubborn as a cape buffalo, fast as a deer, or as smart as an elephant. You can make the fence any height you desire; just get the proper posts.
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/03/08 01:19 AM

"I hope they demand cash and they have to use welded or chain link fencing and not snow fencing and I hope it has to be 5 foot tall."

The judge said it has to be dogproof, and Dorothy Comerford is to supervise it. She knows that a 5 foot chainlink isn't pitproof. Check this out:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFFlOw-_Hjg&feature=related
Posted by: seneca_lady

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/03/08 01:31 AM

wow that fence has to be at least 10 feet high ....
happy saturday to you vm...
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/03/08 01:56 AM

Looking at the guy's height, I'd say it's a 6 ft. fence. Pits are amazing animal; a good one will have something called "gameness"; they don't quit easily. This is what CAN make them dangerous in an attack. Where another dog might bite once or twice and usually will quit, some pits will keep at it.

This is also why you can teach them to climb trees. Many dogs will try it, but after they peel off once or twice, they quit, while a pit is likely to stay at it.

I wouldn't be surprised if some pits will scale a 12 ft fence; if they can find pawholds, as in a chaimlink, they might just keep crawling.

This is not a pit, but this is how it's done. I like electric fences, which the dog doesn't want to touch, or even jump, for fear of shocking his belly. And happy Saturday to you!:

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/spunky-climbs-fence/722855620
Posted by: seneca_lady

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/03/08 02:00 AM

i will stick with my maltese mix ..... he is just what i can handle ....
Posted by: doctor1

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/03/08 10:19 AM

I find it amazing that so many people are concerned about pitbulls who should have a fence to keep them inside or they should be taken away, but not as concerned about the waste of our tax dollars by the Romulus School Board. Where are our priorities? JUST A QUESTION.

IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE!!!! I STOPPED WALKING ON EAST LAKE ROAD BECAUSE OF THE THESE DOGS, I DID NOT FEEL SAFE!!!
Posted by: VM Smith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/03/08 10:29 AM

First you say that our priorities are wrong because we worry about the dogs, and then you shout that the dogs are unsafe. Make up your mind.
Posted by: native son

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/03/08 03:16 PM

Originally Posted By: doctor1
I find it amazing that so many people are concerned about pitbulls who should have a fence to keep them inside or they should be taken away, but not as concerned about the waste of our tax dollars by the Romulus School Board. Where are our priorities? JUST A QUESTION.

IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE!!!! I STOPPED WALKING ON EAST LAKE ROAD BECAUSE OF THE THESE DOGS, I DID NOT FEEL SAFE!!!






You are an idiot.
Posted by: doctor1

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/03/08 03:29 PM

Native Son,

Could you please elaborate. The dog issue is dead, but the tax issue is not. I think an idiot is somone who continues to talk about something which they have no control over.

It's a concern, but Judge Case took care of it. Did you read the paper?
Posted by: doctor1

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/03/08 03:31 PM

My point is that the issue was resolved. Stop talking about it. Let's move onto something new.
Posted by: doctor1

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/03/08 03:35 PM

Native,

Let's not get personal. This is a friendly forum.
Posted by: MSmith

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/03/08 03:59 PM

Can't we all just get along????????????????????????????????

I'm one for a big group hug. No reach arounds, please.
Posted by: Yetta Nother

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/03/08 04:02 PM

Who told you that?
Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/03/08 04:45 PM

Originally Posted By: doctor1
I find it amazing that so many people are concerned about pitbulls who should have a fence to keep them inside or they should be taken away, but not as concerned about the waste of our tax dollars by the Romulus School Board. Where are our priorities? JUST A QUESTION.

IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE!!!! I STOPPED WALKING ON EAST LAKE ROAD BECAUSE OF THE THESE DOGS, I DID NOT FEEL SAFE!!!







Seems to me you felt the need to come to this thread about the ELR issue with an issue that has its own thread so now you deal with the opinions of others simple as that. If you don't like that people choose to keep talking about the ELR issue then stay away from it. Have A Nice Day
Posted by: native son

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/03/08 05:46 PM

Originally Posted By: doctor1
Native Son,

Could you please elaborate. The dog issue is dead, but the tax issue is not. I think an idiot is somone who continues to talk about something which they have no control over.

It's a concern, but Judge Case took care of it. Did you read the paper?


Post about the school tax issue in the school tax thread. And by the way, how much control do you think you have over the school tax issue?

And the dog issue won't be dead until the fence is up, IMO.
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/03/08 06:53 PM

Originally Posted By: doctor1
I find it amazing that so many people are concerned about pitbulls who should have a fence to keep them inside or they should be taken away, but not as concerned about the waste of our tax dollars by the Romulus School Board. Where are our priorities? JUST A QUESTION.

IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE!!!! I STOPPED WALKING ON EAST LAKE ROAD BECAUSE OF THE THESE DOGS, I DID NOT FEEL SAFE!!!


You find it amazing? Really? wow! Do you also find it amazing that there have been 13 attacks in three years????
The issue is FAR from dead, did you ever do anything about it since you didn't feel safe???

This is a BIG priority for those of us who live here, so please do not ASSume it's over. It is not and it wont be even with the fence up, and please do not ASSume that we are not concerned care about our taxes, that's just plain old stupid.
Posted by: aurteen

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/03/08 07:20 PM

Originally Posted By: doctor1
My point is that the issue was resolved. Stop talking about it. Let's move onto something new.



Welcome to the real world "Doc". Sometimes not as reality dictates but as some desires it to be. No two person will readily agree on any given subject. It is sad though that once this thread is exhausted it will be something or some one else. More amazingly' only a small percentage of those concerned will actually speakout in a public forum ie. letter to the Editor or calling your Mayor, Assemblyman etc. Those actions identifies the individual which some avoid. These blogs are so pupular nowaday because it gives you the "Power" to express your opinion with anonymity and without suffering the repercussions of a face to face rebuttal or confrontation. Those in the community who want positive change will voice their concerns singularily or in groups and packs. I think it would be refeshing to see our children observe more honest and mature ADULTS but as I said before; Welcome to the real world. lets see if I can cause a spin on this statement or will we all agree to disagree
Posted by: doctor1

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/03/08 11:18 PM

RELAX....

Yes, I did attempt to do something about it, how about you?

Well, I do live here and the "amazing" has to do with the fact that there are significant economic issues in this country and we're still discussing it. Let's wait and see what happens next.

Many of us have complained to one another, but that's what we do around here. We complain to each other instead of those with the power.

My point was to get those talking about our financial situation on the lake. If you care about your taxes so much, why haven't you posted information about it. Instead it's about a legal issue that the courts must enforce.

It's not nice to say the word "stupid". It shows a lack of intelligence on your part. You should be able to get your point across without being rude and disrespectful.
Posted by: doctor1

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/03/08 11:22 PM

Aurteen,

I LOVE YOU!!! WELL SAID!! I hope the dog issue is over, it have made it difficult for many of us to enjoy the area.

If it comes up again, I'll join the thread and go to another hearing.

Some people find it difficult to agree to disagree.
Posted by: SilverFox

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/04/08 01:56 PM

Very curious, what kind of a Doctor are you? PhD, MD, DMV???
Posted by: Taxpayer14456

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/04/08 02:09 PM

Originally Posted By: wanabe

Robbie Denero's Companies
Kustombuilt kennels
Romulus, new york US
Kennel Builder,Dog Containment Units
Western N.Y. Finger Lakes Region



So basically, this Whitley should be able to put up a fence or even better yet, a kennel and solve his dilemna and the problems in the neighborhood.

Any bets on whether he does the work himself or hires it out?
Posted by: P

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/04/08 05:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Taxpayer14456
Originally Posted By: wanabe

Robbie Denero's Companies
Kustombuilt kennels
Romulus, new york US
Kennel Builder,Dog Containment Units
Western N.Y. Finger Lakes Region



So basically, this Whitley should be able to put up a fence or even better yet, a kennel and solve his dilemna and the problems in the neighborhood.

Any bets on whether he does the work himself or hires it out?


Should it really matter if it's done properly & supervised by the whom ever Judge Case assigns to the project?
Posted by: AbuDhabi

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/04/08 10:14 PM

Originally Posted By: SilverFox
Very curious, what kind of a Doctor are you? PhD, MD, DMV???


Department of Motor Vehicles: They're clerks and bureaucrats, not doctors.

HTH
Posted by: Taxpayer14456

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/05/08 10:18 AM

Originally Posted By: Papa4
Should it really matter if it's done properly & supervised by the whom ever Judge Case assigns to the project?



He can build his own kennel and thus show it off to potential clients since he is a kennel builder as well. What a great marketing tool.

But since he doesn't work then maybe the girlfriend will have to work some overtime or take a part time job to pay for this.
Posted by: Taxpayer14456

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/05/08 10:21 AM

Originally Posted By: Papa4
I play golf with loan officer that wrote loan on the house on ELR



Maybe on your next golf outing you can have your loan officer friend approve a fence loan.
Posted by: P

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/05/08 12:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Taxpayer14456
Originally Posted By: Papa4
I play golf with loan officer that wrote loan on the house on ELR



Maybe on your next golf outing you can have your loan officer friend approve a fence loan.


Won't go there with you Tax, So sad that you have so much time on your hand as to watch the blog in anticipation of stirring up controversy. Get a life!!! Oh wait!!! this is your life; based on the postings you've made over the years. So sad especially a man of your age. Believe me I know
Posted by: Taxpayer14456

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/05/08 06:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Papa4
Get a life!!! Oh wait!!! this is your life; based on the postings you've made over the years. So sad especially a man of your age. Believe me I know



LMAO!
Posted by: Taxpayer14456

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/06/08 09:03 AM

Can a self proclaimed kennel builder build his own kennel for his dogs?
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/06/08 12:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Taxpayer14456
Can a self proclaimed kennel builder build his own kennel for his dogs?


Apparently not.
Posted by: Taxpayer14456

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/07/08 09:42 AM

Originally Posted By: flbuldog
Originally Posted By: Taxpayer14456
Can a self proclaimed kennel builder build his own kennel for his dogs?


Apparently not.



I going to say no as well.
Posted by: snoopy

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/28/08 07:58 PM

rumor has it that there is a 2 1/2 month old puppy living at the house where the pitbulls were, and still no fence
Posted by: SilverFox

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/28/08 08:32 PM

Would any one be surprised at that?
Posted by: Carerinoa

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/28/08 08:33 PM

They never took all the dogs. They left a nursing female and her pups.

An animal control officer cited all six dogs as dangerous, but Eva was not taken into custody by Beverly Animal Shelter workers because her third litter is only 8 weeks old and still suckling.
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/28/08 08:49 PM

her third litter is sold and gone...
According to the advertisement the pups were ready to go April 14th.

"We have a wonderful litter of blue and blue fawn, Razor's Edge American Pit Bull Terriers. Will be ready to go to their new homes the week of April 14, 2008."
Posted by: TMG2375

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/28/08 10:01 PM

Where does he advertise this? In the paper?
Posted by: Hong Kong

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/29/08 04:29 AM

I think his myspace?
Posted by: TRACKSHOT INC.

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/29/08 06:44 PM

Good then when they are sold for the big bucks that he claims that he gets for them then he can get his fence put up and make everybody feel a little safer that like to walk...Is really pretty sad though since they could have a very nice set up by useing the acreage that is behind the house that is or used to be a very large pine lot.. On a seperate note I do know that if the people were still around that owned that property this issue would have never gotten this far due to they totally hated any type of cruelty to any animals and you would not even own that property let alone breed your so called game dogs ....
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/30/08 12:01 AM

Originally Posted By: TMG2375
Where does he advertise this? In the paper?



Just Google pit bull puppies Romulus NY you'll find all kinds of their ads..

Posted by: hopefull

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/30/08 05:57 AM

When is the 30days up for the dead line to get the fence up?
Posted by: Jelloshot

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/30/08 08:15 AM

The court order was on May 1st. so, June 1st I presume?
Posted by: flbuldog

Re: East Lake Rd. Pitbulls - 05/31/08 07:07 PM

I think Judge Case said June 8 when I spoke to him last