Ontario Landfill....what a disaster

Posted by: Genevan

Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 02/27/19 12:39 PM

Knew this was coming....Casella cited with several violations for not having the correct number of methane collectors....fences falling down and odor violations....we allowed these guys to turn our local landfill into a mega landfill - taking trash from NYC and Canada and they cant even run it right....it was just a matter of time....now our tourists can smell garbage when they sip their wine...thanks Casella...
Posted by: Wolf King

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 03/15/19 11:49 PM

Long time coming, I'm afraid.
Posted by: gassy one

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 03/22/19 08:01 PM

They can always look at the blue green algae caused by the runoff from the vineyards surrounding the lakes!
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 03/23/19 05:03 PM


Non-sequitur.
Posted by: scwoodchuck

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 03/24/19 06:26 AM

Originally Posted By: gassy one
They can always look at the blue green algae caused by the runoff from the vineyards surrounding the lakes!
The smell of cow and pig manure hasn't stopped the tourists from shopping at the Waterloo Outlet Mall
Posted by: gassy one

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 03/25/19 03:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo

Non-sequitur.
I could say that about every statement you make!
Posted by: Wolf King

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 03/28/19 11:38 PM

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: gassy one
They can always look at the blue green algae caused by the runoff from the vineyards surrounding the lakes!
The smell of cow and pig manure hasn't stopped the tourists from shopping at the Waterloo Outlet Mall



Hmm. It's almost as if the aroma of manure is not nearly as offensive as that of millions of tons of rotting human filth. Hmm.
Posted by: Kells

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 04/07/19 09:20 PM

The landfills need to be limited to local trash - MAYBE regional - and closed when their certs expire. This community gave them an inch, and then they took a mile - and stunk that mile up with garbage juice.
Posted by: Wolf King

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 04/08/19 02:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Kells
The landfills need to be limited to local trash - MAYBE regional - and closed when their certs expire. This community gave them an inch, and then they took a mile - and stunk that mile up with garbage juice.



Truth. Preach.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 04/08/19 11:53 AM

Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: Timbo

Non-sequitur.
I could say that about every statement you make!

You could, and you'd be wrong.

Now, do you have anything relevant to contribute instead of making vapid "I know you are, but what am I?" interjections and trying to distract from the subject at hand?
Posted by: gassy one

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 06/02/19 12:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Kells
The landfills need to be limited to local trash - MAYBE regional - and closed when their certs expire. This community gave them an inch, and then they took a mile - and stunk that mile up with garbage juice.
Obviously you know nothing about landfills! There's no way a landfill could make it financially just taking local trash. Garbage shouldn't be buried anyway it should be used as a commodity to make usable products like fuels or to generate electricity.
Posted by: rock 963

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 06/06/19 09:05 AM

I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with Timbo. You at first blame us for "allowing" Casella to do what they're doing and then blame Casella for doing what we allowed them to do. Makes no sense.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 06/06/19 12:16 PM

Originally Posted By: rock 963
I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with Timbo. You at first blame us for "allowing" Casella to do what they're doing and then blame Casella for doing what we allowed them to do. Makes no sense.

My issue is with gassy attempting to dodge the issue of Casella's many conspicuous abuses by injecting an utterly unrelated topic into the discussion.

Agricultural runoff is also an issue, but one that has an arguably lesser impact on the environment, on tourism and on overall quality of life. It deserves it's own evidence-based arguments, without being employed as a distraction or smokescreen.

He's notorious for his duplicitous "what about-isms."
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 06/06/19 12:24 PM

Originally Posted By: scwoodchuck
Originally Posted By: gassy one
They can always look at the blue green algae caused by the runoff from the vineyards surrounding the lakes!
The smell of cow and pig manure hasn't stopped the tourists from shopping at the Waterloo Outlet Mall

Do you have any actual evidence to support that statement, or are we simply to take your 'expert' opinion as gospel?
Posted by: gassy one

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 06/07/19 09:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: rock 963
I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with Timbo. You at first blame us for "allowing" Casella to do what they're doing and then blame Casella for doing what we allowed them to do. Makes no sense.

My issue is with gassy attempting to dodge the issue of Casella's many conspicuous abuses by injecting an utterly unrelated topic into the discussion.

Agricultural runoff is also an issue, but one that has an arguably lesser impact on the environment, on tourism and on overall quality of life. It deserves it's own evidence-based arguments, without being employed as a distraction or smokescreen.

He's notorious for his duplicitous "what about-isms."
To say blue green algae has a lesser effect on tourism and quality of life is stupid at best! It effects drinking water quality and volumes of tourists. Only people like you Timbi would swim or boat in blue green algae.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 06/07/19 11:00 PM

Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: rock 963
I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with Timbo. You at first blame us for "allowing" Casella to do what they're doing and then blame Casella for doing what we allowed them to do. Makes no sense.

My issue is with gassy attempting to dodge the issue of Casella's many conspicuous abuses by injecting an utterly unrelated topic into the discussion.

Agricultural runoff is also an issue, but one that has an arguably lesser impact on the environment, on tourism and on overall quality of life. It deserves it's own evidence-based arguments, without being employed as a distraction or smokescreen.

He's notorious for his duplicitous "what about-isms."
To say blue green algae has a lesser effect on tourism and quality of life is stupid at best! It effects drinking water quality and volumes of tourists. Only people like you Timbi would swim or boat in blue green algae.

And only people like you highjack forum threads when the debate takes an inconvenient turn that flies in the face of your pathological defense of an industry (in general) and a company (more specifically) which engage in indiscriminate deception on a daily basis.

Perhaps you should spend less time cheer-leading and more time learning. May I kindly suggest that you begin with a cursory glance at a dictionary:

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arguably

adverb

it may be argued (used to qualify the statement of an opinion or belief).
"she is arguably the greatest woman tennis player of all time"

synonyms: possibly, conceivably, feasibly, plausibly, probably, maybe, perhaps, potentially; debatably, contestably, controversially
"these criteria are exceedingly vague and arguably provide too much scope for judicial interpretation"


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smoke screen

noun

a cloud of smoke created to conceal military operations.
a ruse designed to disguise someone's real intentions or activities.
"he tried to create a smokescreen by quibbling about the statistics"
Posted by: gassy one

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 06/10/19 12:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: rock 963
I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with Timbo. You at first blame us for "allowing" Casella to do what they're doing and then blame Casella for doing what we allowed them to do. Makes no sense.

My issue is with gassy attempting to dodge the issue of Casella's many conspicuous abuses by injecting an utterly unrelated topic into the discussion.

Agricultural runoff is also an issue, but one that has an arguably lesser impact on the environment, on tourism and on overall quality of life. It deserves it's own evidence-based arguments, without being employed as a distraction or smokescreen.

He's notorious for his duplicitous "what about-isms."
To say blue green algae has a lesser effect on tourism and quality of life is stupid at best! It effects drinking water quality and volumes of tourists. Only people like you Timbi would swim or boat in blue green algae.

And only people like you highjack forum threads when the debate takes an inconvenient turn that flies in the face of your pathological defense of an industry (in general) and a company (more specifically) which engage in indiscriminate deception on a daily basis.

Perhaps you should spend less time cheer-leading and more time learning. May I kindly suggest that you begin with a cursory glance at a dictionary:

-------------------------

arguably

adverb

it may be argued (used to qualify the statement of an opinion or belief).
"she is arguably the greatest woman tennis player of all time"

synonyms: possibly, conceivably, feasibly, plausibly, probably, maybe, perhaps, potentially; debatably, contestably, controversially
"these criteria are exceedingly vague and arguably provide too much scope for judicial interpretation"


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smoke screen

noun

a cloud of smoke created to conceal military operations.
a ruse designed to disguise someone's real intentions or activities.
"he tried to create a smokescreen by quibbling about the statistics"
The problem is people like you who like to go after big corporations but whose liberal buddies, proclaimed tree hugging buddies are doing the same thing! Can u say hypocrite? By the way this isn't English class
so who cares!
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 06/12/19 02:29 AM


WHAT are you babbling about now?

May I suggest trying that again... in English this ti...

Oh, wait, what was I thinking?
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 06/12/19 02:50 AM

Originally Posted By: gassy one
The problem is people like you who like to go after big corporations but whose liberal buddies, proclaimed tree hugging buddies are doing the same thing! Can u say hypocrite?

Who are these so-called 'tree-huggers' you refer to?

NO ONE is doing the same thing. There's categorically NO comparison between that of the highly complex, reactive chemical soup that WITHOUT EXCEPTION inevitably escapes from ALL dumps, and that of chemically simple, short-lived agricultural waste. Both are legitimate issues. BUT... the long term effects and risk are simply INCOMPARABLE.

Also, don't make the mistake of presuming that agriculture operates only in the purview of small, mom-and-pop family businesses. Agriculture is now driven by multi-billion $ mega-industry, and as such, it operates with much the same reckless disregard for environmental issues as ANY other big profit venture like virtually every other landfill going.

When big bucks are are involved, all bets are off. So, I'll continue to put my efforts towards keeping the "big corporations" honest. The science is in, and in the long term, agricultural runoff (while still a serious issue) poses nowhere near the level of long-term risk as that of any withering landfill around. So, the problem actually is scientifically illiterate people who don't know what they're talking about and (due to personal self-interest) try to insert false equivalencies into the discussion.

Some un-biased FACTS:

Studies Show the Horrid Health Effects of Landfill Exposure:
https://intpolicydigest.org/2018/12/08/studies-show-the-horrid-health-effects-of-landfill-exposure/

What Is Farm Runoff Doing To The Water? Scientists Wade In:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/201...For-Crop-Runoff

Posted by: gassy one

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 06/13/19 09:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: gassy one
The problem is people like you who like to go after big corporations but whose liberal buddies, proclaimed tree hugging buddies are doing the same thing! Can u say hypocrite?

Who are these so-called 'tree-huggers' you refer to?

NO ONE is doing the same thing. There's categorically NO comparison between that of the highly complex, reactive chemical soup that WITHOUT EXCEPTION inevitably escapes from ALL dumps, and that of chemically simple, short-lived agricultural waste. Both are legitimate issues. BUT... the long term effects and risk are simply INCOMPARABLE.

Also, don't make the mistake of presuming that agriculture operates only in the purview of small, mom-and-pop family businesses. Agriculture is now driven by multi-billion $ mega-industry, and as such, it operates with much the same reckless disregard for environmental issues as ANY other big profit venture like virtually every other landfill going.

When big bucks are are involved, all bets are off. So, I'll continue to put my efforts towards keeping the "big corporations" honest. The science is in, and in the long term, agricultural runoff (while still a serious issue) poses nowhere near the level of long-term risk as that of any withering landfill around. So, the problem actually is scientifically illiterate people who don't know what they're talking about and (due to personal self-interest) try to insert false equivalencies into the discussion.

Some un-biased FACTS:

Studies Show the Horrid Health Effects of Landfill Exposure:
https://intpolicydigest.org/2018/12/08/studies-show-the-horrid-health-effects-of-landfill-exposure/

What Is Farm Runoff Doing To The Water? Scientists Wade In:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/201...For-Crop-Runoff

I see you know as much about landfills as you proclaim to know about anything else which is nothing! If leachate was exciting landfill sites as you propose why doesn't it show up in numerous monitoring wells around the landfills? Ask the tourism people what the long term effects on tourism blue green algae has on them. Keep covering up for your liberal buddies aka. the winery owners who proclaim to have the best interests of the lakes in mind when they are actually some of the biggest polluters of the main sources of our drinking water!
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 06/16/19 09:09 AM


Pay attention, now... I said "they INEVITABLY leak"... and they DO.

Also, I fully concur that the specific ag-runoff found in our area is also and issue, just not one that possesses anywhere near the potential for environmental catastrophe... and it DOESN'T.


All Landfills Leak, and Our Health and Environment Pay the Toxic Price:
https://www.clf.org/blog/all-landfills-leak-and-our-health-and-environment-pay-the-toxic-price/

EPA Says All Landfills Leak, Even Those Using Best Available Liners:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication...vailable_Liners

Now, any MORE foolish comments?
Posted by: gassy one

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 06/16/19 07:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo

Pay attention, now... I said "they INEVITABLY leak"... and they DO.

Also, I fully concur that the specific ag-runoff found in our area is also and issue, just not one that possesses anywhere near the potential for environmental catastrophe... and it DOESN'T.


All Landfills Leak, and Our Health and Environment Pay the Toxic Price:
https://www.clf.org/blog/all-landfills-leak-and-our-health-and-environment-pay-the-toxic-price/

EPA Says All Landfills Leak, Even Those Using Best Available Liners:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication...vailable_Liners

Now, any MORE foolish comments?
Where is the evidence of groundwater contamination? Not showing up in monitoring wells! Do you know what is left in a landfill after about 12 to 15 years? Nothing! Except plastic,glass and metal! All contaminants are washed away in the leachate! Why do you think some old landfills are mined to recover the metals? I think you are making yourself out to be the fool!
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 06/22/19 11:56 AM

Originally Posted By: gassy one
Where is the evidence of groundwater contamination? Not showing up in monitoring wells! Do you know what is left in a landfill after about 12 to 15 years? Nothing! Except plastic,glass and metal! All contaminants are washed away in the leachate! Why do you think some old landfills are mined to recover the metals? I think you are making yourself out to be the fool!

What does mining have to do with the fact that ALL landfills EVENTUALLY lose containment?

Can you even read???


Try again:

All Landfills Leak, and Our Health and Environment Pay the Toxic Price:
https://www.clf.org/blog/all-landfills-leak-and-our-health-and-environment-pay-the-toxic-price/

EPA Says All Landfills Leak, Even Those Using Best Available Liners:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication...vailable_Liners
Posted by: gassy one

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 06/22/19 08:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo
Originally Posted By: gassy one
Where is the evidence of groundwater contamination? Not showing up in monitoring wells! Do you know what is left in a landfill after about 12 to 15 years? Nothing! Except plastic,glass and metal! All contaminants are washed away in the leachate! Why do you think some old landfills are mined to recover the metals? I think you are making yourself out to be the fool!

What does mining have to do with the fact that ALL landfills EVENTUALLY lose containment?

Can you even read???


Try again:

All Landfills Leak, and Our Health and Environment Pay the Toxic Price:
https://www.clf.org/blog/all-landfills-leak-and-our-health-and-environment-pay-the-toxic-price/

EPA Says All Landfills Leak, Even Those Using Best Available Liners:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication...vailable_Liners
My point bonehead is after 12 years or so there are no contaminants left and they are mining old landfills which proves there are no contaminants! I noticed you aren't answering my question that if liners are leaking like you propose why isn't it showing up in monitoring wells.You are correct I do not read the crap you post because it comes from tree hugging liberals like you!
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 06/26/19 03:04 PM

Originally Posted By: gassy one
My point bonehead is after 12 years or so there are no contaminants left and they are mining old landfills which proves there are no contaminants! I noticed you aren't answering my question that if liners are leaking like you propose why isn't it showing up in monitoring wells.You are correct I do not read the crap you post because it comes from tree hugging liberals like you!

WHO'S the bonehead here?

I certainly DID answer you, with two highly reputable sources that offer extensive research and study on the matter. Or are you saying that Harvard University, The EPA and The USGS got the SCIENCE all wrong? I'll take the expert, peer-reviewed conclusions of preeminent environmental scientists G. Fred and Anne Jones Lee over any industry apologist (like you) ANY day. Furthermore, I said that "all landfills eventually leak," I did NOT say that the example you chose to cherry-pick is CURRENTLY leaking. But... given time, it most certainly WILL leak (if it isn't already). That is the inevitable outcome of all landfills. The science is quite conclusive on the issue.

Now here, ignore these facts too:


http://www.calwater.ca.gov/Admin_Record/C-036267.pdf

https://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-040-03/
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 06/27/19 09:14 AM


Are you seriously suggesting that the precious and heavy metals that are being reclaimed haven't already begun to leech into the fill mass by the time mining begins?

Of course they do, so your statement that there are no contaminants is complete nonsense.

Then there's the issue of methane, toxic medical waste, lead, mercury, asbestos, polychlorinated biphenyls, and pathogens such as bacteria and viruses as well as other volatile organic compounds (from moldering). Even with the best controls, the mining process from most landfills can release tons of methane.

Even though methane-capture remediates SOME of the gases, tons of greenhouse gasses still find their way into the atmosphere which otherwise would be generally trapped below the surface. There are other toxins and pathogens which inevitably wind up being released when burning the captured gas, of which even trace amounts can be disastrous.

LFMR is still highly controversial AND debatable, even within the landfill industry itself, and is rarely economically profitable, to boot.
Posted by: gassy one

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 06/29/19 10:47 PM

Almost all contaminants have been washed away in the leachate years before. Also how would methane be present in old landfills when there are no organics left? I would be very interested for you to show me the evidence of widespread groundwater contamination in monitoring wells in landfills that are lined. I might even read that! LOL!
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 06/30/19 02:00 PM


They have NOT been "washed away", that's the whole point. Now read the academic data.

If you can't debate without moving the goalpost by shifting the criteria each and every time your argument falls flat, don't bother wasting my time.

Now do your OWN homework. If you can't be bothered, then we'll just let your undisguised pride in your ignorance speak for itself.
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 06/30/19 02:04 PM


OR... show me the credible academic/scientific evidence that proves that "almost all contaminants have been washed away in the leachate years before", as you incorrectly claim.

Besides, even trace amounts of common landfill contaminants can create environmental catastrophes.

Now, chop-chop, you've got your (home)work cut out for you.


Posted by: Timbo

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 07/01/19 10:49 AM


< Cue theme-song to "Jeopardy" >

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWuQVpBeqLs
Posted by: gassy one

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 07/06/19 09:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Timbo

They have NOT been "washed away", that's the whole point. Now read the academic data.

If you can't debate without moving the goalpost by shifting the criteria each and every time your argument falls flat, don't bother wasting my time.

Now do your OWN homework. If you can't be bothered, then we'll just let your undisguised pride in your ignorance speak for itself.

Not moving anything! Waiting for you to show me proof of groundwater contamination from monitoring wells at local landfills You can't do it and you know it! If the liners are leaking as you state where is the evidence? Put up or shut up!
Posted by: Timbo

Re: Ontario Landfill....what a disaster - 07/08/19 12:25 AM


Originally Posted By: gassy one
"Waiting for you to show me proof..." " Put up or shut up!"

Oh, puhleeze! Look who's talking.

You're looking for me to prove something that I NEVER said. I, on the other hand, expect you back up that which you DID.

Idget!
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