Fire

Posted by: queenbee

Fire - 02/18/10 06:05 PM

Snowmobile on fire at Lakeside at the pumps.
Posted by: Endoftheroad

Re: Fire - 02/18/10 06:06 PM

Good topic for Cayuga county
Posted by: queenbee

Re: Fire - 02/18/10 06:10 PM

Y Cayuga it's in SC.
Posted by: Endoftheroad

Re: Fire - 02/18/10 06:12 PM

Uh , no Cayuga county fire dispatching Union Springs fire dept. to the Lakeside trading in their county.
Posted by: queenbee

Re: Fire - 02/18/10 06:17 PM

K , sorry did not hear that they just said Lakeside trading, my bad.
Posted by: Endoftheroad

Re: Fire - 02/18/10 06:18 PM

No biggie, really lol
Posted by: Ovidian

Re: Fire - 02/18/10 06:20 PM

I know that girl. Half the time she doesn't know where she is.
Posted by: queenbee

Re: Fire - 02/18/10 06:29 PM

O thanx like I need help from u Ovidian remember we are pretty close to the same age so if I get disoriented it's just a peek at ur future LMAO!!!
Posted by: SilverFox

Re: Fire - 02/18/10 07:07 PM

Lakeside - let 'er burn.
Posted by: dainty

Re: Fire - 02/18/10 07:28 PM

If they are not paying taxes, don't they need their own fire dept.?
Posted by: oops12

Re: Fire - 02/18/10 07:31 PM

I think that goes without saying! But.....
Posted by: oops12

Re: Fire - 02/18/10 07:32 PM

There sounded to be a bad car accident on 414 this evening. I was at my friends listening to the scanner and they had mercy flight standing by and called the jaws of life. Hope they are ok.
Posted by: funtime6

Re: Fire - 02/18/10 07:32 PM

Anyone have an update?
Posted by: queenbee

Re: Fire - 02/18/10 07:41 PM

Originally Posted By: oops12
There sounded to be a bad car accident on 414 this evening. I was at my friends listening to the scanner and they had mercy flight standing by and called the jaws of life. Hope they are ok.

Hey oops it was a woman and 2 children , a rollover, kids had some facial lacerations and woman was trapped with a chest injury. Kids were ok then didn't hear anymore after jaws of life were called for. I too hope everyone will be ok.
Posted by: oops12

Re: Fire - 02/18/10 07:50 PM

Sending out a prayer! Thanks for the update.
Posted by: angela

Re: Fire - 02/19/10 04:10 AM

Its called a Senior Moment lol \:D
Posted by: SilverRose

Re: Fire - 02/19/10 04:55 AM

or 'Intellectual Interlude."
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 02/19/10 07:33 AM

Originally Posted By: dainty
If they are not paying taxes, don't they need their own fire dept.?



you would think
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 02/19/10 08:09 AM

Originally Posted By: queenbee
Snowmobile on fire at Lakeside at the pumps.


are you sure the tribe is not "protesting"?
Posted by: Greymane

Re: Fire - 02/19/10 09:13 AM

"The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire......."

\:D
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 02/19/10 09:24 AM

don't get the cigs wet
Posted by: SilverFox

Re: Fire - 02/19/10 11:46 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: dainty
If they are not paying taxes, don't they need their own fire dept.?



you would think


They don't plow their own roads either. Why would they when they can mooch off a tax supported system to provide road maintenance, fire and police services for them.
Posted by: Josephus

Re: Fire - 02/19/10 11:51 AM

Originally Posted By: dainty
If they are not paying taxes, don't they need their own fire dept.?

That's an excellent point! I wonder what would happen if the fire dept. didn't respond? Just curious...
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 02/19/10 12:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Josephus
Originally Posted By: dainty
If they are not paying taxes, don't they need their own fire dept.?

That's an excellent point! I wonder what would happen if the fire dept. didn't respond? Just curious...


the tribe would sue.......of course
Posted by: queenbee

Re: Fire - 02/19/10 12:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Josephus
Originally Posted By: dainty
If they are not paying taxes, don't they need their own fire dept.?

That's an excellent point! I wonder what would happen if the fire dept. didn't respond? Just curious...

That's exactly what my husband and I were wondering?
Could they really sue and on what grounds? After all it's the taxes that pay for the service and if u don't pay taxes it seems u aren't entitled to the service.
Posted by: sassyone

Re: Fire - 02/19/10 04:15 PM

As much as I would love to see that happen, I don't think it would. After all, the fire dept responds to any vehicle fire. They don't see if you are a resident that pays taxes first.
Posted by: Josephus

Re: Fire - 02/19/10 07:24 PM

Originally Posted By: sassyone
As much as I would love to see that happen, I don't think it would. After all, the fire dept responds to any vehicle fire. They don't see if you are a resident that pays taxes first.

That's a good point too. I take it that the gas station doesn't pay local property taxes in addition to sales tax to the state?
Posted by: SilverFox

Re: Fire - 02/19/10 07:30 PM

They probably are paying taxes on both Lakeside properties because they are trying to get those properties taken into trust. In order to have them taken into trust the property taxes must be current.
Posted by: queenbee

Re: Fire - 02/20/10 11:03 AM

Well I guess that means they have to respond , but I guess a slow response could be considered helpful at some point.
Posted by: BJ Radford

Re: Fire - 02/20/10 04:04 PM

Originally Posted By: queenbee
Well I guess that means they have to respond , but I guess a slow response could be considered helpful at some point.


The fact that you think an intentional slow response to a fire, under any circumstances, is acceptable speaks volumes.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 02/20/10 04:08 PM

Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Originally Posted By: queenbee
Well I guess that means they have to respond , but I guess a slow response could be considered helpful at some point.


The fact that you think an intentional slow response to a fire, under any circumstances, is acceptable speaks volumes.


halftown said - "Kick the door in"
send in the tribal fire truck
Posted by: BJ Radford

Re: Fire - 02/20/10 04:09 PM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Originally Posted By: queenbee
Well I guess that means they have to respond , but I guess a slow response could be considered helpful at some point.


The fact that you think an intentional slow response to a fire, under any circumstances, is acceptable speaks volumes.


halftown said - "Kick the door in"


Just what is it you are trying to say? Come on...a complete thought please, not just another paste job.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 02/20/10 04:11 PM

free ride
Posted by: BJ Radford

Re: Fire - 02/20/10 04:12 PM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
free ride


How so?
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 02/20/10 04:14 PM

one refuses to pay their share but expects all the benefits
Posted by: BJ Radford

Re: Fire - 02/20/10 04:16 PM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
one refuses to pay their share but expects all the benefits


The property taxes are paid on LakeSide Trading. It's a matter of public record. Just another case of not having information but making an assumption anyway............
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 02/20/10 04:17 PM

Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Originally Posted By: bluezone
one refuses to pay their share but expects all the benefits


The property taxes are paid on LakeSide Trading. It's a matter of public record. Just another case of not having information but making an assumption anyway............


the taxes are not paid on the other properties and neither are the sales taxes
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 02/20/10 04:24 PM

Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
The property taxes are paid on LakeSide Trading.


taxes on reservation land...... hum

Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Just another case of not having information but making an assumption anyway............


reservation....assumption....hum
Posted by: BJ Radford

Re: Fire - 02/20/10 04:29 PM

I believe this thread is about a fire.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 02/20/10 04:31 PM

is it out and did you thank the brave firefighters for risking their lives
Posted by: BJ Radford

Re: Fire - 02/20/10 04:32 PM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
is it out and did you thank the brave firefighters for risking their lives


It was out long before the firemen got there so no lives risked. We always thank them.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 02/20/10 04:34 PM

Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
It was out long before the firemen got there so no lives risked.


firemen put their lives at risk just reponding to a fire
Posted by: BJ Radford

Re: Fire - 02/20/10 04:47 PM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
It was out long before the firemen got there so no lives risked.


firemen put their lives at risk just reponding to a fire


agreed
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 02/20/10 04:48 PM

Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Originally Posted By: bluezone
one refuses to pay their share but expects all the benefits


The property taxes are paid on LakeSide Trading.


should the firefigthers respond to the properties that the taxes are not paid?
Posted by: BJ Radford

Re: Fire - 02/20/10 04:52 PM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Originally Posted By: bluezone
one refuses to pay their share but expects all the benefits


The property taxes are paid on LakeSide Trading.


should the firefigthers respond to the properties that the taxes are not paid?


My opinion is absolutely. Just as they would if a property's taxes were delinquent. Just as they would if a property was exempt from property taxes (i.e. a church). Certainly I have not talked to EVERY firefighter but the ones I have always say they feel it is their responsibility to respond to fires. A responsibility they take seriously, thankfully for the rest of us.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 02/20/10 04:56 PM

Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
A responsibility they take seriously, thankfully for the rest of us.


while others dodge their responsiblities
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 02/20/10 05:09 PM

Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
My opinion is absolutely.


then we should start sending fire units over to canada and mexico

send out the tribal fire units to those off the "reservation"
Posted by: grinch

Re: Fire - 02/20/10 05:43 PM

Just a thought, if all property were exempt who would pay for the equipment the firemen used when they responded?

Thank you's, do not buy a fire truck, boots, turn out gear, maintain hydrants, a pressurized water suppply plus fund the other costs, they are supported through taxation of property within a given fire district.

Comparing a church exemption to the Cayuga situation? Mmmmmmmm.

Posted by: queenbee

Re: Fire - 02/20/10 10:10 PM

Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Originally Posted By: queenbee
Well I guess that means they have to respond , but I guess a slow response could be considered helpful at some point.


The fact that you think an intentional slow response to a fire, under any circumstances, is acceptable speaks volumes.

And do you really think I care about what your opinion of me is?? Hahahaha not on my worst day.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 02/21/10 07:27 AM

Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Just as they would if a property's taxes were delinquent. Just as they would if a property was exempt from property taxes (i.e. a church).


are these properties "claiming" to be their own "nation"
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 02/21/10 08:15 AM

Originally Posted By: queenbee
Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Originally Posted By: queenbee
Well I guess that means they have to respond , but I guess a slow response could be considered helpful at some point.


The fact that you think an intentional slow response to a fire, under any circumstances, is acceptable speaks volumes.

And do you really think I care about what your opinion of me is?? Hahahaha not on my worst day.



as long as the tribe doesn't have to pay their share BJR is happy
Posted by: grinch

Re: Fire - 02/21/10 09:10 AM

Slow response, never, should not happen.

However if they do respond to fires on tax exempt propeties who do not pay taxes then a BILL should follow covering the expense for the turnout.

Most have property and fire insurance which is rated for community response from a tax supported fire department. Let the premiums for such policies reflect they will have to pay for fire fighting as part of their policy as they are tax exempt. That is virtually how fire insurance companies began in the first place. The premiums supported a fire company who would respond to those properties that were insured.
Posted by: Josephus

Re: Fire - 02/21/10 09:44 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
My opinion is absolutely.


then we should start sending fire units over to canada and mexico

send out the tribal fire units to those off the "reservation"

This already happens with Canada and Mexico. And, if memory serves, there were firefighters from Mexico at the WTC after 9/11.

I'm willing to bet that if you go to some of the larger reservations out west (and a few here in the east) that you will find reciprocating agreements between the reservation and the surrounding communities about fire protection. My dad lives about 5 miles from the Pequot reservation (and casino) in CT, and they have a very nice firehouse there. I'm willing to bet that there are agreements in place with Stonington.
Posted by: SilverFox

Re: Fire - 02/21/10 02:19 PM

The Casino, multi-story hotel and reservation five miles from Oldbroad in Cabazon, CA has their own fire dept with a nice new fire trunck capable of fighting high rise fires. They have their own security and police force. They are good neigbors to the community making many charitable donations of food and money through out the year. They also collect and remit sales taxes at their gas station/convenience store.If you don't have a tribal ID card you must pay taxes on all purchase.Those are the true facts of how they prove they are good neighbors.
Posted by: Josephus

Re: Fire - 02/21/10 02:23 PM

Do you know if they have a reciprocating agreement with other communities in their area regarding firefighting?

I like the fact that they remit sales tax, and require their members to present ID cards for non-tax. It would be nice if the Cayugas were like that...
Posted by: SilverFox

Re: Fire - 02/21/10 03:07 PM

I am not sure what agreements they have. I do know that OB has said that the local fire dept and police can not enter the reservation without permission. If I remember correctly the reservation fire dept. has helped fight wild fires in the area.

I also know they give Turkeys and all the things that go with a Thanksgiving dinner to the local Moose Club for a free community Thanksgiving dinner. The Moose members cook and serve the Turkey dinners to anyone that comes through the door free of charge.

No problem with taxes at their businesses. No tribal ID you pay tax no exceptions.
Posted by: Josephus

Re: Fire - 02/21/10 03:12 PM

Originally Posted By: SilverFox

No problem with taxes at their businesses. No tribal ID you pay tax no exceptions.

I'm going to guess that if the Cayugas operated like this, they would have far fewer problems with their neighbors. I'm also guessing that the Cayugas insist upon a tax free status because they have no casino... or at least not one that would rival Turning Stone. Tax free cigs and gas is therefore their mainstay.
Posted by: SilverFox

Re: Fire - 02/21/10 03:45 PM

Sad part is they could probably collect the sales tax on their own brands and still be cheaper than other places that sell brand name cigarettes and still have an advantage.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 02/21/10 03:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Josephus
I'm willing to bet that if you go to some of the larger reservations out west (and a few here in the east) that you will find reciprocating agreements between the reservation and the surrounding communities about fire protection.


The cayuga sold their reservation many moons ago. all NYS/county laws apply. Considering that the cayuga remove around $30 million a year out of the community that they could provide their own fire protection. Lets see if they explain to the judge why they rely on the county but refuse to pay their share of the sales taxes.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 02/21/10 03:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Josephus
I'm also guessing that the Cayugas insist upon a tax free status because they have no casino...


They tried a bingo hall but the county closed it
Posted by: dainty

Re: Fire - 02/24/10 08:58 PM

Sovereign Fire Dept., not to be confused with Servin FD \:D
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 02/25/10 07:30 AM

Originally Posted By: SilverFox
Sad part is they could probably collect the sales tax on their own brands and still be cheaper than other places that sell brand name cigarettes and still have an advantage.



the excise tax on cigs is where the tribes make their hugh profits
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 03/01/10 08:57 AM

Originally Posted By: dainty
Sovereign Fire Dept., not to be confused with Servin FD \:D



the tribe does not even have a fire department
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 03/11/10 06:26 PM

Originally Posted By: SilverFox
Sad part is they could probably collect the sales tax on their own brands and still be cheaper than other places that sell brand name cigarettes and still have an advantage.


the reservation fails to exist on every level accept in their mind
Posted by: egglsen

Re: Fire - 04/06/10 04:35 AM

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAA,i am agree with your thoght.

Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 04/06/10 09:23 AM

Originally Posted By: bluezone
Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
Originally Posted By: bluezone
one refuses to pay their share but expects all the benefits


The property taxes are paid on LakeSide Trading. It's a matter of public record. Just another case of not having information but making an assumption anyway............


the taxes are not paid on the other properties and neither are the sales taxes



Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
I believe this thread is about a fire.


then why not post in the other forum if your sales taxes are paid

facts - as you always say.....
Posted by: michae

Re: Fire - 05/08/10 04:28 AM

help ??!?!?? What should me and my brother do, we set a fire in are garden without permission and we were caught? Any ideas to get out of trouble........

Thanks no stupid answers this is serious.

Posted by: Josephus

Re: Fire - 05/11/10 12:37 PM

The first idea, of course, is to find yourself a lawyer and at least get some legal advice about the problem. See if you can find one that specializes in environmental law.

Other than that, approach the prosecutor and explain that you truly didn't understand the law. There is a slight chance that he/she will have mercy on you.
Posted by: bluezone

Re: Fire - 05/26/10 08:58 PM

Originally Posted By: BJ Radford
The property taxes are paid on LakeSide Trading. It's a matter of public record. Just another case of not having information but making an assumption anyway............


property taxes on a "federal reservation"????
that is a new one..........hummmmmmmmmmm
obama should look into that for all other reservations